“Look before you leap – Drastic, precipitous—and, especially, unilateral—steps to delay the putative greenhouse impacts can cost jobs and prosperity and increase the human costs of global poverty, without being effective. Stringent economic controls now would be economically devastating particularly for developing countries…” Revelle 1992
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had to finish what I started the other evening,… which is the poll I though to have more substance than CA renters alleged “computer hack” thread w/ skunk shitting poll contest!… that along w/ the PDF I was trying to put together late at night,… where basically I was trying to highlight something w/ in the PDF,… so to do that, first had to use OCR software to convert the document, blab, blah, blah
since you mentioned you worked at SIO (long ago), pretty sure you know Walter Munk is another major figure in that neck of the woods,… anyway he too had concerns about the misuse of revelle’s good name/reputation being connected to an article in some Washington, D.C. club magazine (which is documented in an AFFIDAVIT provided by revelle’s secretary)
so check out the revised PDF (at the link below) because the “included” AFFIDAVIT IMHO shows pretty clearly that singer isn’t all that honest or trustworthy of a “scientist” and his personal account,…
also FWIW back in the day when Revelle was teaching, we didn’t have access to solid data of exact CO2 measurements,… now we do thanks to ice core sample(s)
Richard Alley a climate scientist (and FWIW a “Republican” National Academy of Sciences member), IMHO fills in the gaps and settles the question about the role CO2 plays w/ temperature that revelle got me interested in years ago,…
“Alley” hosted a documentary (w/ segments) which explain:
AND a talk a yale about the economics of climate change, which again IMHO is vary similar in style as to how revelle had us students look at a problem (from another angle)
There is a lot of 1980s There is a lot of 1980s thinking out there.
People claim that green tech slows down growth. True at one time, but we have reached economies of scale.
it’s now proven that green tech accelerates growth. We will see in the next 20 years what countries will dominate the tech of the future. I’m pretty confident people who embrace green tech will save money, make money, and become richer. I won’t feel sorry for thise who are poorer because they cling to the past.
Escoguy
May 20, 2018 @
11:58 AM
From roughly 1975 to 1990, From roughly 1975 to 1990, Germany cut it’s oil use in half and it’s economy doubled in size.
phaster
May 28, 2018 @
8:54 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:…We will [quote=FlyerInHi]…We will see in the next 20 years what countries will dominate the tech of the future. I’m pretty confident people who embrace green tech will save money, make money, and become richer. I won’t feel sorry for thise who are poorer because they cling to the past.[/quote]
in a PSYOP chain reaction that started long ago @ UCSD
[quote=***allegedly*** Revelle in 1992]
“Look before you leap – Drastic, precipitous—and, especially, unilateral—steps to delay the putative greenhouse impacts can cost jobs and prosperity and increase the human costs of global poverty, without being effective. Stringent economic controls now would be economically devastating particularly for developing countries…”
[quote] Climate “realists” want U.S. to stop spending money on climate change – CBS News
A group of climate change skeptics who call themselves “climate realists” think the U.S. has spent too much money on climate change already, and they want the government to stop. Climate scientists, the U.N. and NASA dismiss these arguments as propaganda for fossil fuel interests. Dean Reynolds reports.
actually stopped by to check the poll results thus far which are not too surprising given the older more established demographic attracted to “real estate” and perhaps wanting to keep the “comfortable” status quo,…
[quote] Del Mar stands firm against ‘planned retreat’
Del Mar’s City Council agreed Monday night that “planned retreat” will not be part of its long-term strategy for dealing with sea-level rise, despite the state Coastal Commission’s urging to include the idea.
Planned retreat, also called “managed retreat,” is a strategy of removing seawalls, roads, homes and other structures gradually over the years in advance of rising sea levels.
FWIW what you all might find interesting is the 10 most critical problems in the world, according to millennials
[quote] For the third year in a row, millennials who participated in the World Economic Forum’s Global Shapers Survey 2017 believe climate change is the most serious issue affecting the world today.
I believe an engineer would say yes. Money has nothing to do with the physical world. It’s just human construct to assign brownie points. A genius engineer could come up with some better way.
phaster
April 21, 2020 @
9:32 AM
Quote:
COVID-19 Could Help
[quote] COVID-19 Could Help Solve Climate Riddles
Pollution declines from pandemic shutdowns may aid in answering long-standing questions about how aerosols influence climate
the pandemic is a teachable moment along being an opportunity to address big problems head on!!!
typically when times are good people don’t want to hear bad news because they don’t want anything to kill their happy mood BUT when people are in a difficult situation they might be more willing to listen and have an open mind about unsettling news (and take action to avoid the fermi-paradox)
[quote] There’s a compelling reason scientists think we’ve never found aliens
The Fermi paradox asks why we haven’t found aliens yet. Could a “Great Filter” like climate change kill intelligent life before it reaches other planets?
…Information aversion is one of many, many domains where human behavior seems to deviate from the models of economists. Instead of doing the rational thing, learning as much as possible about something, many of us do the opposite. We stick our heads in the sand. And this is true for more than just financial information.
…The bigger the potential good news, the more likely volunteers were to pay. The studies show that people are hungry for information when information is pleasant.
…just as the researchers had expected, volunteers were more likely to pay money to avoid getting highly unpleasant information
…Another thing the researchers found – students who were in a good mood were more likely to avoid information than those in a bad mood. This may seem surprising, but it actually makes complete sense. When you’re in a good mood, do you really want to ruin how you feel
[quote] Virus Shows Why There Won’t Be Global Action on Climate Change
COVID-19 reveals three reasons why fighting climate change is so hard.
First, stopping the spread of this highly contagious disease requires that we all upend our daily lives in dramatic ways—and often do so for the benefit of others.
The second sobering lesson from COVID-19 for climate change efforts is the importance of public buy-in and education. The problems of collective action described above are less acute when the public broadly understands the gravity of the threat.
The third reason COVID-19 should give pause to expectations about climate change action is because of what it reveals about the strong link between carbon emissions and economic activity.
…the pandemic is a reminder of just how wicked a problem climate change is because it requires collective action, public understanding and buy-in, and decarbonizing the energy mix while supporting economic growth and energy use around the world.
bottom line unless trends change,… humanity and the environment on the planet is in big trouble
FlyerInHi
May 21, 2018 @
12:15 PM
I’m loving it. Prince I’m loving it. Prince Harry’s old jaguar is now an electric car.
This past weekend I was in Ramona (of all places) and they were so many Harleys belching out smoke and creating noise. So annoying! We need to move to electric quickly to make our cities more liveable.
Ugh, it will be a sad day Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely – too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.
Anticipating that day, if I have my kids in the car when a V8 with aftermarket exhaust rumbles by, I roll down the window and say “SHHH!! Listen!!”
Even the artificial engine noise pumped through my 228i speakers is a little disheartening, but better than total silence. I think it would be especially silly on an electric car.
All that said, I would be happy if private cars (electric and otherwise) were completely eliminated from downtowns and replaced with something better. Something useable and safe for pedestrians. If I suddenly decide I want to be two blocks north, I want to be in my ride in 10 seconds flat.
millennial
May 22, 2018 @
10:25 AM
Had electric – hated it, Had electric – hated it, feels like you’re driving a big golf cart! Nothing is sweeter than the sound of a real combustion engine at full throttle. Just traded it in and purchased the family an M5. Great family car and gets the kids to piano practice real quick.
Ribbles
May 22, 2018 @
10:37 AM
Good choice. I looked at the Good choice. I looked at the older V10 M5, just because they are a practical size and sound incredible, then had a good chuckle at the gas mileage. With my commute I would spend something like $900/month on gas.
millennial
May 22, 2018 @
10:55 AM
Yeah the older ones were gas Yeah the older ones were gas guzzlers. The new one is rated at 15/21, but honestly probably closer to 13/18 with the way I drive. The modes on the new models are amazing and can go from a 600 hp beast to a regular 5 series with a click of a button.
If mileage is an issue you should look into the new M2. It gets 18/26 and is a beast; inline 6 that puts out 343 lb-ft of torque.
Ribbles
May 22, 2018 @
11:32 AM
I’m actually looking at the I’m actually looking at the M2 and the M240i. It depends on how harsh the ride is. M2 has a fixed suspension compared to the adaptive in the 240, and some people are saying the M2 is too stiff for the street. I’ll have to test drive it. A 240 with a tune would be just as fast, although not as light and wouldn’t look as good.
scaredyclassic
May 22, 2018 @
1:56 PM
im in the market for an im in the market for an electric bike.
FlyerInHi
June 9, 2018 @
11:07 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:im in [quote=scaredyclassic]im in the market for an electric bike.[/quote]
What model did you get? And how much?
phaster
May 28, 2018 @
8:53 AM
Ribbles wrote:Ugh, it will be [quote=Ribbles]Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely – too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.
Anticipating that day, if I have my kids in the car when a V8 with aftermarket exhaust rumbles by, I roll down the window and say “SHHH!! Listen!!”
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[quote=millennial]
Nothing is sweeter than the sound of a real combustion engine at full throttle.
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personally not too fond of aftermarket resonators replacing stock parts on mass produced vehicles,… seems like its insecure guys craving attention who add a resonator to some POS (piece of $hit)
having said that, I do like the sound of a v12 (and old school “tail draggers”)
FWIW had a BMW 540 w/ six-speed manual and sport package, which was a nice “open” road trip vehicle,… BUT in heavy stop and go “urban” traffic, it sucked! then there were the service bills!! so got rid of it,… actually my newest ride, for my urban neighborhood is a “cruiser” eBike
which makes running errands (like to the bank) something to look forward to
FlyerInHi
June 9, 2018 @
11:22 AM
Ribbles wrote:Ugh, it will be [quote=Ribbles]Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely – too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.
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I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars. And the kind of money people spend on cars, relative to their incomes. Totally irrational to me.
To me, if we find something better, it’s time to get rid of the old and move on.
Ribbles
June 11, 2018 @
8:35 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:I don’t [quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars.[/quote]People get attached to cars for the same reasons they’re passionate about anything – art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it’s easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology. It’s usually something you acquire early in life, in the same way as people who are really into music. I remember as a kid thinking they were all just transportation appliances, and wondering how people could even tell them apart and know the different model names. My trigger was my sister’s MG – 35 years later I still remember the smell. Then one day I saw a black 930 slant nose wide body in a parking lot, and it was the toughest, most intimidating looking car I had ever seen. That’s when I really understood the personality thing. And I hadn’t even heard that glorious motor yet.
[quote]And the kind of money people spend on cars, relative to their incomes. Totally irrational to me.[/quote]Well, certainly – there’s a point where you cross from enthusiast to stupid. But if you don’t have a lot of responsibility and would rather have an $800 car payment than invest it, then I say live it up. As long as you understand the consequences.
[quote]To me, if we find something better, it’s time to get rid of the old and move on.[/quote]Is a Kindle better than a book? More efficient, sure. But a better reading experience? Not by a long shot, in my opinion.
svelte
June 11, 2018 @
4:35 PM
Ribbles wrote:FlyerInHi [quote=Ribbles][quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars.[/quote]People get attached to cars for the same reasons they’re passionate about anything – art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it’s easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology. It’s usually something you acquire early in life, in the same way as people who are really into music. I remember as a kid thinking they were all just transportation appliances, and wondering how people could even tell them apart and know the different model names. My trigger was my sister’s MG – 35 years later I still remember the smell. Then one day I saw a black 930 slant nose wide body in a parking lot, and it was the toughest, most intimidating looking car I had ever seen.
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Cars are a combination of beautiful art and beautiful engineering. It appeals to four of our five senses: sight, sound, smell, touch.
To me, it’s like fine art that I can enjoy in three dimensions while taking me on any adventure I can dream up…what more could I ask for?
FlyerInHi
June 12, 2018 @
12:04 PM
yeah, I get the love of yeah, I get the love of cars…. people can own internal combustion cars if they want. But they should not try to impede progress and block public transport, autonomous, etc…
I think the anti public transport attitude is retarding economic progress. We, Americans, are smart and innovative. We should own high speed rail tech, not the Chinese. I feel like we simply gave up a huge industry. It’s going to be many times larger then Boeing and employ engineers who will give rise to all kinds of new tech. Too bad it won’t be our engineers.
It’s not just climate change, but economic development.
phaster
June 18, 2018 @
7:02 PM
svelte wrote:
Ribbles [quote=svelte]
[quote=Ribbles]
[quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars.
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People get attached to cars for the same reasons they’re passionate about anything – art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it’s easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology….
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Cars are a combination of beautiful art and beautiful engineering. It appeals to four of our five senses: sight, sound, smell, touch.
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as I see things vehicle transportation can be made into art (i.e. self expression), which ranges from prim and proper “old school”
The Mercedes-Benz F-CELL Roadster pays homage to the very first car ever built, the Benz Patent Motor Car, but adds joystick control, a fiberglass body and hydrogen-electric fuel-cell power.
June 2018 ISSUE (IEEE June 2018 ISSUE (IEEE spectrum)
[quote] Can Technology Reverse Climate Change?
Do you believe that climate change is a vast left-wing conspiracy that does little more than create jobs for scientists while crippling businesses with pointless regulation? Or, quite the contrary, are you convinced that climate change is the biggest crisis confronting the planet, uniquely capable of wreaking havoc on a scale not seen in recorded history?
Many of you are probably in one camp or the other. No doubt some of you will tell us how disappointed/angry/outraged you are that we (a) gave credence to this nonsense or (b) failed to convey the true urgency of the situation. We welcome your thoughts.
In crafting this issue, we steered clear of attempting to change hearts and minds. Your views on climate change aren’t likely to be altered by a magazine article, or even two dozen magazine articles. Rather, this issue grew out of a few simple observations. One is that massive R&D programs are now under way all over the world to develop and deploy the technologies and infrastructures that will help reduce emissions of greenhouse gases…
what I found personally interesting looking at the issue from a EE perspective is
[quote] Prototype Electric Plane Built by Siemens and Magnus Aircraft Crashes in Hungary, Killing Both People on Board
An experimental electric plane built by Hungary’s Magnus Aircraft and Siemens crashed on Thursday near Budapest, killing the pilot and the passenger.
Earlier this year the pilot took me for a 15-minute flight in this model, called the Magnus eFusion. The electric motor and the entire propulsion system are supplied by Siemens…
when aircraft powered by something other than an internal combustion engine is a common everyday experience, that is an indication IMHO when most people will realize there are serious downside consequences to burning fossil fuels
Phaster, seems to me that Phaster, seems to me that planes will be one of the very last things to stop using hydrocarbons and go electric.
The all-electric Leaf has 600lbs of batteries and goes about 150 miles. A small car like that would need only about 40lbs of gas to go that far.
If anything, if we completely ran out of oil, I bet we’d run planes on ethanol or coal-to-liquid-fuel while cars would quickly shift to mostly electric.
phaster
August 4, 2018 @
9:06 AM
gzz wrote:Phaster, seems to [quote=gzz]Phaster, seems to me that planes will be one of the very last things to stop using hydrocarbons and go electric.
The all-electric Leaf has 600lbs of batteries and goes about 150 miles. A small car like that would need only about 40lbs of gas to go that far.
If anything, if we completely ran out of oil, I bet we’d run planes on ethanol or coal-to-liquid-fuel while cars would quickly shift to mostly electric.[/quote]
airplanes fly when “lift” and “thrust” > “weight” and “drag”
and as you pointed out liquid fossil fuels are much more energy dense than “batteries” but w/ advances in material science (i.e. lighter aircraft structures), advances in aerodynamics (i.e. creating aircraft w/ less “drag” AND creating power plants that produce more “thrust” but use less energy), etc., its pretty obvious at some point in the future, “electric” power is going to be used in aircraft propulsion
[quote] NASA asked a Boeing-led team to explore the possibilities of a hybrid electric aircraft. Marty Bradley, Boeing Research and Technology, explains how the SUGAR Volt concept is defining the future of flight (2:24)
[quote] Zunum Aero’s Hybrid Electric Airplane Aims To Rejuvenate Regional Travel
In the century that’s elapsed since the dawn of commercial aviation, air transportation has become pretty well refined. Yet paradoxically, it’s easier to fly halfway around the world than to travel to a nearby city. As a result, many people shun air travel when taking short trips.
…In the globalized economy, communities without good air service struggle to attract investment and create jobs.
To undo the damage, we and others are looking to hybrid-electric aircraft propulsion, a system made possible by the convergence of technological trends in battery development, high-power motors, and power electronics.
FWIW my reading of the tea leaves is ordinary people are going to wake up to the fact that climate change is a vary real phenomenon and start demanding transportation products (like aircraft fleets) that use energy as efficiently as possible because daily weather reports (like from just this past week) is going to make it pretty obvious that something is up,…
[quote] ‘New World Record’: Imperial, California Felt Rain at 119°F
Southern California is not only sweltering under extreme heat, the city of Imperial actually witnessed rainfall when it was a scorching 119 degrees Fahrenheit outside on July 24, weather experts observed.
The bizarre event set “a new world record for the hottest temperature ever measured while rain was falling,” Dr. Jeff Masters, meteorologist and co-founder of Weather Underground, wrote in blog post.
It’s pretty rare for rainfall to occur above 100 degrees Fahrenheit, Masters noted, but NOAA weather records show that at 3:53 p.m. local time, light rain started to fall and continued for four hours straight.
…So what does rain on scorching hot day feel like? After ringing up a few city offices and businesses, one Imperial resident told Masters that the rain “made it difficult to breathe” and it felt hard on their heart.
[quote] Ocean temperature hits 80 at Solana Beach — and heat wave could drive it higher
San Diego County coastal waters continued their extraordinary warming on Friday, reaching 80 degrees at Solana Beach.
And for the second time this week the ocean temperature reached an all-time high at Scripps Pier in La Jolla, hitting 78.8 degrees on Friday. That’s the highest reading in the pier’s 102-year history.
Isn’t humans the biggest Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
phaster
June 18, 2018 @
6:26 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
phaster [quote=FlyerInHi]
[quote=phaster]
financial collapse can be dealt with???
As I see things its one of the dominos (yet to fall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg
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I believe an engineer would say yes. Money has nothing to do with the physical world. It’s just human construct to assign brownie points. A genius engineer could come up with some better way.
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sure a genius engineer could come up w/ design to ameliorate various down side effects of climate change BUT if the physical world did not have a working money system, then the genius engineer would not have time to build devices to ameliorate various down side effects of climate change because too much time would be spent trying to gather food to eat, etc.
in other words w/ out a money system that every one agrees to (in a physical world), the genius engineer would have to grow food for their own personal consumption,…
consider the fact that crops need water to grow,… so does water just magically show up?
next consider in a world w/out money there is no way to pay police to protect personal property (specifically what i’m thinking of here is farm land on which crops and livestock is raised),… ever hear the of the expression Money makes the world go round?
we take it for granted that money makes it easy to trade various forms of energy that individuals need to thrive, (i.e. money is a means to substitute for basic skills people need to survive) said another way just imagine how long you would survive if you had to grow your own food, find a source for water, take care of your own healthcare, protect your land, etc.
[quote] Money makes the world go round Liza Minnelli
[quote=Myriad]
Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
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yup I’d agree the ultimate bottom line problem is far too many people in leadship positions (as well as their enablers/followers) are dishonest and dumb,… AND don’t take into account the downside risk(s) of fiscal mismanagement
Global warming is bad for Global warming is bad for humans but great for plants.
phaster
June 19, 2018 @
8:28 AM
moneymaker wrote:Global [quote=moneymaker]Global warming is bad for humans but great for plants.[/quote]
just finished my ice coffee when I heard this news story,…
[quote] As Carbon Dioxide Levels Rise, Major Crops Are Losing Nutrients
June 19, 2018
…On a recent afternoon, Lewis Ziska, who’s a plant physiologist with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, demonstrates an experiment there with a crop important to many of us — coffee.
The chamber is really bright to mimic the sun. A few neat rows of green coffee plants are growing. The air that they’re absorbing has about the same amount of CO2 as in the pre-industrial age, about 250 years ago.
Across the hall, we can see a possible glimpse of the plant’s future. Here, there’s a chamber with plants growing at CO2 levels projected for the end of this century.
…Scientists have noticed that in many kind of plants, higher CO2 produces bigger crops. That sounds like a good thing.
But there’s a problem. Bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better. And while they’re still testing what this means for coffee’s quality, scientists have seen that other crops have lost some of their nutritional value under higher CO2 conditions.
FWIW damage to the eco system extends to other parts of the food chain,…
[quote] The great nutrient collapse
The atmosphere is literally changing the food we eat, for the worse. And almost nobody is paying attention.
…Goldenrod, a wildflower many consider a weed, is extremely important to bees. It flowers late in the season, and its pollen provides an important source of protein for bees as they head into the harshness of winter. Since goldenrod is wild and humans haven’t bred it into new strains, it hasn’t changed over time as much as, say, corn or wheat. And the Smithsonian Institution also happens to have hundreds of samples of goldenrod, dating back to 1842, in its massive historical archive—which gave Ziska and his colleagues a chance to figure out how one plant has changed over time.
They found that the protein content of goldenrod pollen has declined by a third since the industrial revolution—and the change closely tracks with the rise in CO2. Scientists have been trying to figure out why bee populations around the world have been in decline, which threatens many crops that rely on bees for pollination. Ziska’s paper suggested that a decline in protein prior to winter could be an additional factor making it hard for bees to survive other stressors.
Plaster, I meant to say that Plaster, I meant to say that money has physically nothing to do with food production or building things. Money is the “incentive”. Can we not come up with a different incentive to do things? On the starship enterprise, there is no money. The reward is is the holo deck, a marvel of engineering.
The environment, however, once destroyed, is very hard if not impossible to fix.
phaster
June 24, 2018 @
12:18 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
I meant to [quote=FlyerInHi]
I meant to say that money has physically nothing to do with food production or building things. Money is the “incentive”. Can we not come up with a different incentive to do things? On the starship enterprise, there is no money. The reward is is the holo deck, a marvel of engineering.
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agree,… Money is the “incentive” where “money” has the following three characteristics
[quote]
• MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE, something that people can use to buy and sell from one another;
• STORE OF VALUE, which means people can save it and use it later; and,…
• UNIT OF ACCOUNT, provide a common base for prices
we also know the starship enterprise along w/ the holo deck is escapist “fiction” from reality!
so personally don’t think we can come up w/ a better incentive than money (@ this point in time) because the concept of money can’t be improved upon,… rather what needs to be improved upon is the DISHONEST and DUMB weak link(s) which are creating problem(s) in the first place!
[quote]
[quote=Myriad]
Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
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yup I’d agree the ultimate bottom line problem is far too many people in leadship positions (as well as their enablers/followers) are dishonest and dumb,… AND don’t take into account the downside risk(s) of fiscal mismanagement
[quote=FlyerInHi]
The environment, however, once destroyed, is very hard if not impossible to fix.
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there are technologically possible mitigation(s),… BUT the impediments to implementing various mitigation(s) are human weak links that feel comfortable believing the “fiction” that the status quo is sustainable
since this forum is part of a website about RE investing, bottom line is,… its a question akin to “EVOLVE OR DIE” investing,… which is why some market players excel while most don’t beat the market averages (OR lose it all)
[quote] This guy lost $10,000 trying to time this volatile market — using his credit card
The Vancouver-based user, a financial analyst at a Canadian pharmacy who earns $50,000 a year, said he lost his entire savings ($10,000) trying to buy the dip, and he wrote in his thread about using his credit card to trade CFDs (contract for differences), which are investments that mirror assets the trader doesn’t actually own. He initially funded his trading account with $4,000, but when he got margin called a few times (which means the broker demanded he put more money in to meet minimum requirements), he ended up investing $10,000.
“When I realized what was going on, it was already too late,” he said. “My broker closed my position and I ended up losing all of it.
[quote] What Makes a Great Trader? An Interview with Jack Schwager
…So self-knowledge, having an edge, risk management, and discipline are the qualities that set these traders apart?
Flexibility is another trait that separates great traders from just about everybody else. They’re able to change on a dime. They could be wildly bullish one minute, and if something happens to change their mind, they’re able to be wildly bearish the next. That flexibility to be able to change your mind and not hope that your position is right is an essential ingredient.
sadly the “EVOLVE OR DIE” investing metaphor I refer to is a vary real possibility, given various reports,…
[quote] Will Humans Survive the Sixth Great Extinction?
In the last half-billion years, life on Earth has been nearly wiped out five times—by such things as climate change, an intense ice age, volcanoes, and that space rock that smashed into the Gulf of Mexico 65 million years ago, obliterating the dinosaurs and a bunch of other species. These events are known as the Big Five mass extinctions, and all signs suggest we are now on the precipice of a sixth.
Except this time, we have no one but ourselves to blame. According to a study published last week in Science Advances, the current extinction rate could be more than 100 times higher than normal—and that’s only taking into account the kinds of animals we know the most about,…
FYI I was a big fan of Star Trek, so recall an episode/scene you might interesting
[quote] Addiction and socialization are jeopardized by excessive game play on the Holodeck in Star Trek TNG
Lt. Barclay’s social awkwardness is revealed to originate in his spending too much time in the holodeck, running simulations that involve Enterprise crew members. The theme of addiction and video games is taken up in numerous episodes of Star Trek since the cultural assimilation of games into everyday life that occurred during the 1990s. This clip suggests a useful comparison with the later episode from Deep Space 9 in which a boy’s “addiction” to the holodeck is considered a potentially therapeutic coping mechanism for dealing with trauma.
Phaster, humans are Phaster, humans are creatures of addiction.
I think I have smart phone addiction. A lot of interesting stuff to read. I just read a Foreign Policy magazine article on trade war with China.
I think a worse addiction is sports addiction. Like watching on TV and screaming.
Marijuana addiction and food addiction, I’m thankful I don’t have.
phaster
July 8, 2018 @
1:56 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:Phaster, [quote=FlyerInHi]Phaster, humans are creatures of addiction.
I think I have smart phone addiction. A lot of interesting stuff to read. I just read a Foreign Policy magazine article on trade war with China.
I think a worse addiction is sports addiction. Like watching on TV and screaming.
Marijuana addiction and food addiction, I’m thankful I don’t have.[/quote]
sports addiction is somewhat beneficial (in a peaceful world) because its a substitute for mankind’s tendency toward violence and warfare,…
the biggest problems (in a peaceful world) come from addiction to wealth and power because it has the possibility to escalate human nature toward violent conflict
[quote] Addiction to Wealth and Power
As strange as it may sound, an obsessive drive for power and wealth can be just as harmful as an addiction to drugs or alcohol. For some self-made millionaires and billionaires and other highly successful people, each new “win” is accompanied by a rush of euphoria not unlike the intoxication that comes with drug use. Although they enjoy the trappings of wealth – fancy cars, big houses, parties and vacations, it’s actually the challenge involved in sealing yet another successful deal that provides the unmistakable drug-like “high.”
…An obsession to wealth and power can cause a person to become increasingly involved with making money or gaining status. Everything else becomes secondary, including family, friends and health. In time, a person’s entire identity is wrapped up in making money or achieving more “wins”. People are judged not on their merits, but by achievement, power or the size of their financial holding.
People who are addicted to wealth and power tend to feel most powerful when they are dominating other people, with little patience for anything that stands in the way of the upward trajectory. They are often extremely competitive and have an overarching need to be right.
If you’ve ever thought of money as a drug, you may be more right than you know. New research shows that counting money — just handling the bills — can make things less painful.
huh,… just thinking out loud but this sounds kinda familiar, a TV celebrity w/ an addiction?! can’t quite my finger on it,… anyway moving on,…
[quote] Idiocracy
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.
Idiocracy Corollary: a reversion to the mean will eventually happen via a darwin flush event
phaster
September 3, 2018 @
5:30 PM
FWIW
Quote:
We asked 11 FWIW
[quote] We asked 11 climate scientists where they’d live in the US to avoid future natural disasters — here’s what they said
2017 was a record year for natural disasters in the US, with 16 severe weather events causing at least $306 billion in damages. While 2018 portends to be less destructive, it has already seen its fair share of catastrophe: As of July 9, six storms have each generated at least $1 billion in losses.
To figure out what areas are least vulnerable to natural disaster in the future, we asked 11 climatologists where they would consider living to avoid climate change. All were quick to note that no area is entirely safe, but a few cities could be less vulnerable than most.
Scientists are still working to define the relationship between climate change and natural disasters. In the last ten to 15 years, they have found evidence of the mounting influence of climate change on major events like heat waves, droughts, and heavy rains.
In fact, climate change may already be impacting where Americans choose to move. A recent study found that American homes that are vulnerable to rising sea levels sell for around 7% less than similar unexposed properties — even though the damage could be decades away.
The following cities were recommended by climatologists as some of the least vulnerable to disaster.
…San Diego, California.
San Diego may be exposed to rising sea levels, but its coastal location gives it a host of advantages. According to research from Sarah Kapnick, a climate scientist at Princeton University, San Diego may have the most ideal weather of any US city.
After studying the number of “mild weather” days — those suited for outdoor activities, with low precipitation, low humidity, and temperatures between 64 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit — Kapnick found that US summers are becoming hotter and more humid. By the end of the century, she discovered, cities in West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and New Mexico could lose weeks of mild weather due to climate change.
This wasn’t the case in San Diego, which currently boasts 180 days of mild weather per year compared to 157 in Los Angeles, 83 in New York, and just 76 in Boston. In the future, the city could see even more pristine weather conditions.
Kapnick’s study predicts that San Diego will gain three mild days per year by the end of the century. Perhaps the main concern for San Diego is a loss of precipitation, which can contribute to wildfires. That’s a major worry, but one that nearly all California cities will have to face.
and pointing out an evidence/logic based thesis that explains the phenomena is dismissed because it is human nature to reject any suggestion that our world view in reality, might not have any basis in fact,… or said another way
WRT climate change, we see even after the storm
[quote] ‘It’s hyped up’: climate change skeptics in the path of Hurricane Florence
Scientists warn that human-induced climate change is responsible for an increase in the number and severity of storms – such as Hurricane Florence, which has engulfed the Carolinas in the last week.
But many who weathered the tempest, deep in Trump country, don’t believe global warming fueled it and don’t think humans are the problem – or the solution..
what the typical person on the street misses about climate change is considering the much larger picture of how complex systems interact (pretty difficult to do unless one has a background in something like physics, where pondering big ideas like how was the universe created, is sort of the norm)
[quote] Note that another key element in attribution studies is the consideration of the physical consistency of multiple lines of evidence. Both detection and attribution require knowledge of the internal climate variability on the time scales considered, usually decades or longer..
If anything is true over the If anything is true over the last billion years, it is that the weather has changed.
And that we can’t really control it – unless you control 7 billion people, which isn’t going to happen.
Humanity’s ability to adapt is remarkable.
If the weather changes, people will deal with it through innovation, new products, stuff being sold and used in areas different than they are used today. It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
phaster
October 2, 2018 @
7:40 AM
sdduuuude wrote:
If anything [quote=sdduuuude]
If anything is true over the last billion years, it is that the weather has changed.
And that we can’t really control it – unless you control 7 billion people, which isn’t going to happen.
Humanity’s ability to adapt is remarkable.
[/quote]
Agree weather patterns have changed over the last billion or so years, AND sadly agree that its impossible to control the actions of ever increasing populations (which produces ever increasing amounts of CO2)
FWIW IMHO the more appropriate observation is,… humanity’s ability to screw things up is pretty remarkable (which sorta was mentioned in this thread)
[quote=Myriad]
Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
[/quote]
People for the most part are not rational,… all too often “we” formulate personal views and intuition on a topic based upon beliefs of our peer group AND short term interests
So when faced with a complex issue like climate change what happens is a case of fractal mismanagement (just like the local public pension portfolio) and unless something really noticeable happens,… people just continue blindly on (i.e. business as usual)
…in other words the pattern of local idiocracy (which is comforting and non-threatening) is repeated at all levels of government and organized society,… AND given there are chaotic links between the environment and the economy, have to conclude a Darwinian flush of biblical proportions is inevitable
To illustrate the point I’m trying to make, let’s skim over various news reports about various studies that point to a troublesome future
[quote] Research forecasts US among top nations to suffer economic damage from climate change
For the first time, researchers have developed a data set quantifying what the social cost of carbon — the measure of the economic harm from carbon dioxide emissions — will be for the globe’s nearly 200 countries. Although much previous research has focused on how rich countries benefit from the fossil fuel economy, while damages accrue primarily to the developing world, the top three counties with the most to lose from climate change are the United States, India and Saudi Arabia
[quote] Climate Change May Deeply Wound Long-Term U.S. Growth, Richmond Fed Paper Finds
…Projected increases in average U.S. temperatures “could reduce U.S. economic growth by up to one-third over the next century,” wrote the authors, Riccardo Colacito of the University of North Carolina, Bridget Hoffmann of the Inter-American Development Bank and Toan Phan of the Richmond Fed.
[quote] BoE finds banks unprepared for climate change risks
…The Bank of England is preparing new guidelines for how banks and insurers should manage climate change after it conducted a probe that found only 10 per cent of banks take a long-term view of such risks.
…one problem was banks’ planning horizons were too short to incorporate climate risks — the banks surveyed had four-year planning horizons on average.
Those who feel threatened and unprepared to deal w/ the dark future implications for the economy and the global environment, will dismiss these news-reports of studies as various crack pots presenting alternative facts
On the other hand, those that take the time to study a problem and understand what is happening, are going to be better prepared to survive
Said another way, this is akin to an investor that develops a hedge strategy in anticipation of a market correction, OR given the joke about two campers in the wilderness who encounter a mean bear,… where the punch line is the survivor is the one one in better physical condition and is able to run faster than the other guy
OR perhaps people are mostly nihilist?!
[quote] Taibbi: Why Aren’t We Talking More About Trump’s Nihilism?
The White House now says we might as well pollute because global catastrophe is inevitable
While America was consumed with the Brett Kavanaugh drama last week, the Washington Post unearthed a crazy tidbit in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) latest environmental impact statement.
The study predicts a rise in global temperatures of about four degrees Celsius, or seven degrees Fahrenheit, by the year 2100. Worse, it asserts global warming is such an inevitable reality, there’s no point in reducing auto emissions, as we’re screwed anyway.
And that we can’t really control it – unless you control 7 billion people, which isn’t going to happen.
[/quote]
You don’t have to control 7 billion people. You have to work with the leaders of those people.
[quote=sdduuuude]
Humanity’s ability to adapt is remarkable.
[/quote]
That it is! But that doesn’t mean we should just let everything go to hell just because we know that humans will adapt allowing some humans to survive the catastrophe.
[quote=sdduuuude]
If the weather changes, people will deal with it through innovation, new products, stuff being sold and used in areas different than they are used today.
[/quote]
Yeah, humans will deal with it and most will survive. But we might have to relocate a few large cities. And maybe we’ll have to endure some famine here and there. If the climate changes such that the crops we need to feed the world can’t be grown as abundantly as they’re grown now, it isn’t at all inevitable that we’ll be able to figure out some technological marvel that will fix that.
[quote=sdduuuude]
It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.
[/quote]
I’d say that’s 180 degrees off. This is a great example of change that can only be solved by government leaders cooperating on an unprecedented scale. Is that achievable? I don’t know. But to say that we should just not even try because it’s impossible (or to trust that we’ll adapt) seems unfair to our grandchildren.
[quote=sdduuuude]
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
[/quote]
Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.
FlyerInHi
October 3, 2018 @
11:13 AM
zk wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
[quote=zk]
[quote=sdduuuude]
It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.
[/quote]
I’d say that’s 180 degrees off. This is a great example of change that can only be solved by government leaders cooperating on an unprecedented scale. Is that achievable? I don’t know. But to say that we should just not even try because it’s impossible (or to trust that we’ll adapt) seems unfair to our grandchildren.
[quote=sdduuuude]
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
[/quote]
Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.[/quote]
I have a good laugh whenever people say only the markets can solve human problems. Like the US Corps of Engineers didn’t tame rhe Mississippi or build Hoover dam.
Talking about the markets, green tech is a huge money making opportunity. We’ll just let China’s government lead so Chinese companies own the future. But no worries, no need to plan because only the markets work.
phaster
October 6, 2018 @
8:51 AM
sdduuuude wrote:
A complete [quote=sdduuuude]
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
[quote=zk]
Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.
[/quote]
[/quote]
yup,… too much overconfidence, too little risk analysis,…
[quote] Watching others makes people overconfident in their own abilities
“The more that people watched others, the more they felt they could perform the same skill, too — even when their abilities hadn’t actually changed for the better,” says study author Michael Kardas of The University of Chicago Booth School of Business. “Our findings suggest that merely watching others could cause people to attempt skills that they might not be ready or able to perform themselves.”
[quote] Overconfidence Is a Problem. Here’s How You’re Unknowingly Suffering From It
…Acknowledging the issue of overconfidence is the first step to battling it. Recognizing that we might not know that much after all can help us get a better perspective on our situation and what steps to take in the future.
Confidence is like a balance. Too much of it, and you risk making poor decisions that have unwanted consequences. Too little, and you never risk anything at all.
seems this is another fractal pattern that starts on the individual level and is repeated on the large scale w/ politicians, bureaucracies and corporations in various sectors like banking/finance, fossil fuel industry, etc.
[quote=Trump] ….in the world. I want clean air and clean water and have been making great strides in improving America’s environment. But American taxpayers – and American workers – shouldn’t pay to clean up others countries’ pollution.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 4, 2018
[quote] There Aren’t Two Sides to Science, That’s Just Your Coal Money Talking
Kelly Craft is the first woman to serve as U.S. ambassador to Canada. That’s great! Unfortunately, the Kentuckian’s primary qualification seems to be that she was a Republican fundraiser. In surely unrelated news, her husband, Joe Craft, is a billionaire coal-mining magnate.
…“I think that both sides have their own results, from their studies, and I appreciate and I respect both sides of the science.”
…The fourth and latest National Climate Assessment put together by 300 scientists from 13 agencies of the U.S. government and released last month found that climate change is real, man-made, and will cost the U.S. 10 percent of its economy by 2100. Midwestern farmers will lose 75 percent of their crop yields, and trillions of dollars in coastal real estate will be at risk. The wildfires out west, already unprecedented in their destruction, will get worse…
what comes to mind is people like instant gratification, dislike thinking about long term threats AND the human nature tendency to blame others,… so even in the best of times climate change is a difficult topic which is politically polarizing
adding to the challenge is the finance system which has been mismanaged for decades,… so odds are the economy crashing just about the time society needs to build various large scale infrastructure projects to survive global warming
Disaster prepping? I don’t Disaster prepping? I don’t think an individual can do much. Just have the means to move away if disaster strikes your area.
phaster
December 16, 2018 @
1:58 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
have the [quote=FlyerInHi]
have the means to move away if disaster strikes your area
[/quote]
so “moving” is what you consider prepping? seems to me this is BAU and is why the problem(s) grow worst?!
as I see things the prepping process should start off by looking for the root cause of the problem,… AND given global warming is affecting the environment and thus poses an existential threat to large segments of the population, perhaps people should also consider the five stages of greif which is a subject I learned about in a high school religion class
at the time thought WTF this is a depressing topic for a “teen” BUT am glad I was introduced to the topic early on because I more or less learned how to address the depressing aspects and quickly move on and look for the root cause of the problem (where as most people are stuck in the denial stage and all too often by doing so are making the problem much bigger!!!)
since you’re a long term poster on this forum and are familiar w/ the players, here is an example of what I mean most people are stuck in the denial stage and all too often making the problem(s) much, much, much bigger,… take “bearishgurl” and ” CA renter” blind defense of the existing public pension system
AND now consider their emotional “denial” of some pretty obvious mismanagement issues given
[quote] …paper by Julie Irwin and some other colleagues who wrote a paper on this idea of willful ignorance. And the idea was that you had a product and you had access to a whole bunch of different pieces of information. And one of them was the labor conditions or the environmental conditions. And the question was do people actually ask for this information? And you can look at it if you want, but you could decide not to look at it. And it turns out people didn’t want to look at that information because they didn’t really want to be confronted with this kind of conflict between their beliefs and, you know, what they really wanted. And they found this effect was stronger for people who cared more about labor issues, who cared more about environmental issues.
…The folks who care the most about ethics might be most willing to turn a blind eye to unethical business practices because they know if they found out about those practices, they would feel obliged to do something about it.
phaster wrote:
so “moving” is [quote=phaster]
so “moving” is what you consider prepping? seems to me this is BAU and is why the problem(s) grow worst?!
[/quote]
That’s what economists teach. Don’t have job? Move. Global warming? Move.
Moving to greener pastures is the way of nature.
spdrun
July 24, 2019 @
2:15 PM
Solving problems is the human Solving problems is the human way. With nuclear power, renewables, hydroelectric power, getting rid of fossil fuels for most energy is an engineering problem, not a science/research problem. Also, human activity causes global warming. Reduce fertility. Developed countries should fund abortion and birth control programs worldwide, religious nutters be damned. Fertility reduction viruses that reduce sperm counts may also be another answer. With falling sperm counts, I actually hope that someone has already invented and released one…
FlyerInHi
July 24, 2019 @
4:45 PM
The best way to reduce The best way to reduce fertility is to become rich. The Chinese don’t want too many kids anymore.
We actually have good engineering solutions for the world. Unfortunately geopolitics and power play get in the way.
Countries that develop new technologies and infrastructure will become most powerful. I fear that in USA, we are letting opportunities escape because we have too many people who are fixated on conserving the past lest they envisage the future.
livinincali
July 25, 2019 @
10:13 AM
spdrun wrote:Solving problems [quote=spdrun]Solving problems is the human way. With nuclear power, renewables, hydroelectric power, getting rid of fossil fuels for most energy is an engineering problem, not a science/research problem. Also, human activity causes global warming.[/quote]
It’s not really a engineering problem. It might require some engineering to come up with newer better version of a molten salt reactor since the last one we built and operated was 50 years ago. The biggest problem is money and politics.
spdrun
July 25, 2019 @
2:03 PM
What’s wrong with light-water What’s wrong with light-water reactors? Just reprocess the fuel and repeal Peanut Jimmy’s outdated bans on reprocessing.
Hobie
July 25, 2019 @
3:26 PM
Light water reactors run at Light water reactors run at very high pressures. Thorium units are low pressure and ‘fail safe’. Lots more details, but these are the biggest selling points.
phaster
August 17, 2019 @
9:19 AM
Hobie wrote:Light water [quote=Hobie]Light water reactors run at very high pressures. Thorium units are low pressure and ‘fail safe’. Lots more details, but these are the biggest selling points.[/quote]
Record heat in Europe. Few Record heat in Europe. Few Europeans have air conditioners.
It’s like San Diego old timers claiming we don’t need AC near the coast. Haha. They sure changed their minds. Nobody builds house without AC anymore.
105F in Paris is nuts. And I was called an American sissy boy for insisting on AC during European trips. I’d rather stay at at modern Ibis than a “charming” old hotel without AC, even during non heatwave periods.
FlyerInHi
August 15, 2019 @
2:06 PM
Wow, Greta Thunberg is so
Wow, Greta Thunberg is so well spoken, in English, her second language.
Wow, according to his Wow, according to his article, US households use 2.5x the electricity of European households. I didn’t know that we were so wasteful. I’m sure I contribute to it with my love of AC, even in beautiful SD. Lots of opportunities for conservation.
I did notice that when Europeans stay at my Airbnbs they don’t use the AC, or very little. My smart thermostat tells me, haha.
Quote:
Dry Facts, Debate, [quote] Dry Facts, Debate, Despair: How Not to Teach Climate Change
…The message from popular culture can seem to urge that teachers just get with the program and tell students what to think., …But effective teachers know that leading with the attitude that anyone who doesn’t accept climate change is stupid is no way to help their students learn.
…Having students debate whether climate change is solid science isn’t a good strategy, because the science is, in fact, solid; there’s nothing there worth debating. As multiple studies using different methods have independently concluded,
…concentrating on the dire consequences of climate change isn’t a winner either: While students will certainly pay attention to hearing about climate change’s role in current extreme weather events and the like, the risk is that they will wind up feeling despondent and powerless.
Dry facts, debate, doom and gloom—teachers striving to teach climate change effectively despite the obstacles to doing so can be forgiven for considering all of the above.
Fortunately, there’s a better way. Climate change education is no different from any other topic in science, in that teachers want students to learn how scientists arrive at their conclusions: by collecting and evaluating evidence, assessing different explanations for the evidence, and provisionally adopting the best explanation available.
[quote] Children suffering eco-anxiety over climate change, say psychologists
…“Children are saying things like, ‘Climate change is here as revenge, you’ve messed up the climate and nature is fighting back through climate change’,” said Caroline Hickman, a teaching fellow at the University of Bath and a CPA executive.
“There is no doubt in my mind that they are being emotionally impacted … That real fear from children needs to be taken seriously by adults.”
Swedish teenage activist Greta Thunberg has led a worldwide youth movement demanding action on global warming through weekly “Fridays for Future” protests.
since the definition of “hope” is a desire for a certain thing to happen,… seems to me that the seemingly angry Swed and her minions of global admirers is actually an indication that this group is full of “hope” by virtue of her/their willingness to act
[quote] Hopeless or hopeful? How eco-anxiety affects kids and youth
…there may be some benefit to eco-anxiety — as long as there’s not too much of it.
“Too much anxiety paralyzes you,” said Korol, relating the issue to the Yerkes–Dodson law that suggests stress can increase motivation. For many of the eco-anxious, encouraging engagement and participation in climate action may actually be helpful, she said, but so can turning down the TV.
That’s because hope is a key factor. “It’s important to counteract the nihilism and the hopelessness that people feel,” she said. “Hopelessness is the big enemy of solving any problem, including climate change. When we’re talking about children, we need to give them hope.”
I am all in favor of doing I am all in favor of doing things that make sense, But I am afraid we will just end up with a binary extremism (like every thing else these days)
The middle is a very lonely place.
scaredyclassic
September 29, 2019 @
2:33 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:I am all [quote=The-Shoveler]I am all in favor of doing things that make sense, But I am afraid we will just end up with a binary extremism (like every thing else these days)
The middle is a very lonely place.[/quote]
Makes sense for who? Shareholders, future generations or our current convenience?
There is no middle.
The-Shoveler
September 29, 2019 @
3:32 PM
My gosh Scaredy, you are My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.
scaredyclassic
September 29, 2019 @
7:03 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:My gosh [quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.[/quote]
So where then is the “middle”? 2013 std? 1970 standard? 1930? The middle from where depends on where you place the beginning and the end, and whether 9r not we are at the beginning of the end.
How urgent is it? I dont think many could give a damn about future generations. We are just trying to maximize our situation for ourselves.
Self included.
I find your hyperbole to be quite a common response. Walk a mile or two? Egad, you want my car destroyed.
It’s rather sad really. No one can perceive reducing their use. It’s almost like gun control discussion. Any regulation is immediately seen as the end of guns.
It is impossible to discuss intelligently or unemotionally. Kind of like the zelensky phone call, or the impact of childhood.
We are incapable of being persuaded that we are unreasonable. Dug in to the end in a pit of our own view.
Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
I surrender.
The-Shoveler
September 29, 2019 @
9:18 PM
How non-Binary of you. How non-Binary of you. incremental change that makes sense and works.
phaster
September 30, 2019 @
11:11 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:Our [quote=scaredyclassic]Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
[/quote]
yup,… right now (given social norms) an average person w/ $$$$ is tempted w/ material goods or metaphorically speaking it’s akin to an individual swimming against the tide
anyway,… this just crossed my desk(top) figure since this board is suppose to be about RE, ya all might find this interesting
[quote] Citing climate risk, investors bet against mortgage market
NEW YORK (Reuters) – David Burt helped two of the protagonists of Michael Lewis’ book The Big Short bet against the U.S. mortgage market in the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. Now he’s betting against the market again, but this time, the risk is not from underwater subprime mortgages, it’s from homes sinking under water.
As he did then, Burt has given up his full-time job to make that bet. He left his role as a portfolio manager at the $1 trillion Wellington Management last year to start an investment firm, DeltaTerra Capital, which aims to help clients manage climate risk, and, where possible, take advantage of ways the market has not yet priced in that risk. His first investment strategy is targeting residential mortgage-backed securities, or RMBS, with exposure to climate hot spots like Texas and Florida.
In doing so, Burt is joining the ranks of a small number of investors who have become worried that climate risk is underpriced in these securities, which are pools of home loans sold to investors.
“The market’s failure to integrate climate science with investment analysis has created a mispricing phenomenon that is possibly larger than the mortgage credit bubble of the mid-2000s,”
and FWIW this kinda guy (using NSFW “language” to describe climate change) is basically the archetypal character type that sees no problem w/ the mortgage market
like “the big short” of 2007/2008, I sense there are ways to profit from all the problems created by idiotic human nature,… by doing one simple thing,… just looking
phaster wrote:scaredyclassic [quote=phaster][quote=scaredyclassic]Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
[/quote]
yup,… right now (given social norms) an average person w/ $$$$ is tempted w/ material goods or metaphorically speaking it’s akin to an individual swimming against the tide
anyway,… this just crossed my desk(top) figure since this board is suppose to be about RE, ya all might find this interesting
[quote] Citing climate risk, investors bet against mortgage market
NEW YORK (Reuters) – David Burt helped two of the protagonists of Michael Lewis’ book The Big Short bet against the U.S. mortgage market in the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. Now he’s betting against the market again, but this time, the risk is not from underwater subprime mortgages, it’s from homes sinking under water.
As he did then, Burt has given up his full-time job to make that bet. He left his role as a portfolio manager at the $1 trillion Wellington Management last year to start an investment firm, DeltaTerra Capital, which aims to help clients manage climate risk, and, where possible, take advantage of ways the market has not yet priced in that risk. His first investment strategy is targeting residential mortgage-backed securities, or RMBS, with exposure to climate hot spots like Texas and Florida.
In doing so, Burt is joining the ranks of a small number of investors who have become worried that climate risk is underpriced in these securities, which are pools of home loans sold to investors.
“The market’s failure to integrate climate science with investment analysis has created a mispricing phenomenon that is possibly larger than the mortgage credit bubble of the mid-2000s,”
and FWIW this kinda guy (using NSFW “language” to describe climate change) is basically the archetypal character type that sees no problem w/ the mortgage market
like “the big short” of 2007/2008, I sense there are ways to profit from all the problems created by idiotic human nature,… by doing one simple thing,… just looking
I feel guilty buying new clothing, but have no problem investing in destructive corporations.
I would be happy to make money off of death and misery and environmental destruction or failed mortgages, as long as I am somewhat distanced from it.
But the money may not be spent.
Such is the mental illness I suffer from
The-Shoveler
September 30, 2019 @
1:57 PM
IMO buying a home in Florida IMO buying a home in Florida or TX without flood or hurricane insurance was probably “never” a good Idea.
Also in the case of both Florida & TX , The populations have been booming for last 20 or more years so you just have a lot more homes built in harm’s way.
phaster
October 17, 2019 @
6:45 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:phaster [quote=scaredyclassic][quote=phaster][quote=scaredyclassic]Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
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yup,… right now (given social norms) an average person w/ $$$$ is tempted w/ material goods or metaphorically speaking it’s akin to an individual swimming against the tide
anyway,… this just crossed my desk(top) figure since this board is suppose to be about RE, ya all might find this interesting
[quote] Citing climate risk, investors bet against mortgage market
NEW YORK (Reuters) – David Burt helped two of the protagonists of Michael Lewis’ book The Big Short bet against the U.S. mortgage market in the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. Now he’s betting against the market again, but this time, the risk is not from underwater subprime mortgages, it’s from homes sinking under water.
As he did then, Burt has given up his full-time job to make that bet. He left his role as a portfolio manager at the $1 trillion Wellington Management last year to start an investment firm, DeltaTerra Capital, which aims to help clients manage climate risk, and, where possible, take advantage of ways the market has not yet priced in that risk. His first investment strategy is targeting residential mortgage-backed securities, or RMBS, with exposure to climate hot spots like Texas and Florida.
In doing so, Burt is joining the ranks of a small number of investors who have become worried that climate risk is underpriced in these securities, which are pools of home loans sold to investors.
“The market’s failure to integrate climate science with investment analysis has created a mispricing phenomenon that is possibly larger than the mortgage credit bubble of the mid-2000s,”
and FWIW this kinda guy (using NSFW “language” to describe climate change) is basically the archetypal character type that sees no problem w/ the mortgage market
like “the big short” of 2007/2008, I sense there are ways to profit from all the problems created by idiotic human nature,… by doing one simple thing,… just looking
I feel guilty buying new clothing, but have no problem investing in destructive corporations.
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yup pretty tough to to get the timing right on an “investment” bet,… at least this time around some of those w/ access to the controls, seem to at least recognize things aren’t,… “Sunshine, Lollipops And Rainbows”
[quote] Bank Regulators Present a Dire Warning of Financial Risks From Climate Change
WASHINGTON — Home values could fall significantly.
Banks could stop lending to flood-prone communities.
Towns could lose the tax money they need to build sea walls and other protections.
These are a few of the warnings published on Thursday by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco regarding the financial risks of climate change. The collection of 18 papers by outside experts amounts to one of the most specific and dire accountings of the dangers posed to businesses and communities in the United States — a threat so significant that the nation’s central bank seems increasingly compelled to address it.
The Federal Reserve has been slow to talk about climate risks compared with central banks in other countries. That could be partly because the topic is more politically polarized in the United States than many other places, so talking about it exposes the Fed — which is meant to be politically independent — to accusations that it is straying into partisan territory. Already, the central bank is a frequent target of President Trump, who has criticized its interest-rate decisions for hindering economic growth.
scaredyclassic [quote=scaredyclassic][quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.[/quote]
So where then is the “middle”? 2013 std? 1970 standard? 1930? The middle from where depends on where you place the beginning and the end, and whether 9r not we are at the beginning of the end.
How urgent is it? I dont think many could give a damn about future generations. We are just trying to maximize our situation for ourselves.
Self included.
I find your hyperbole to be quite a common response. Walk a mile or two? Egad, you want my car destroyed.
It’s rather sad really. No one can perceive reducing their use. It’s almost like gun control discussion. Any regulation is immediately seen as the end of guns.
It is impossible to discuss intelligently or unemotionally. Kind of like the zelensky phone call, or the impact of childhood.
We are incapable of being persuaded that we are unreasonable. Dug in to the end in a pit of our own view.
Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
I surrender.[/quote]
I am so much in love with you scaredy! You are so smart and I get everything you say. You have a special talent for explaining things so well in few words.
scaredyclassic
October 2, 2019 @
11:26 AM
FlyerInHi [quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.[/quote]
So where then is the “middle”? 2013 std? 1970 standard? 1930? The middle from where depends on where you place the beginning and the end, and whether 9r not we are at the beginning of the end.
How urgent is it? I dont think many could give a damn about future generations. We are just trying to maximize our situation for ourselves.
Self included.
I find your hyperbole to be quite a common response. Walk a mile or two? Egad, you want my car destroyed.
It’s rather sad really. No one can perceive reducing their use. It’s almost like gun control discussion. Any regulation is immediately seen as the end of guns.
It is impossible to discuss intelligently or unemotionally. Kind of like the zelensky phone call, or the impact of childhood.
We are incapable of being persuaded that we are unreasonable. Dug in to the end in a pit of our own view.
Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
I surrender.[/quote]
I am so much in love with you scaredy! You are so smart and I get everything you say. You have a special talent for explaining things so well in few words.[/quote]
IRL I’d say most people find me irritating. But thnx
phaster
March 31, 2020 @
8:58 AM
The-Shoveler wrote:My gosh [quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.
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globalization (i.e. a networked planet w/ supply chains for consumer, food AND industrial products) is why we are where we are,…
[quote=phaster]
[quote=teaboy]I invite other Piggs to share links to their most thoughtful or thought provoking articles on the medium/long term outlook or “Coronavirus Endgame” over the next days/weeks?
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looking at the events reported in the news,…
[quote] Americans Coping With the Coronavirus Are Clogging Toilets
Sewage systems and toilets are backing up as consumers clean their homes with disinfectant wipes and turn to paper towels, napkins and baby wipes to cope with the lack of toilet paper.
FWIW here is something to consider WRT climate change,… since the SoCal region is densely populated and has lots of industry,… as far back as I can remember there always seemed to be a layer of haze/smog blanketing the area
BUT because of the covid-19 pandemic and the need to social distance which can only happen if people stay @ home,… point being on my evening dog walks started to notice the typical SoCal haze/smog layer, pretty much has disappeared for an extended period of time
[quote]
NARRATOR: September 12th, 2001, the aftermath of tragedy: ironically, as America mourned, the weather all over the country was unusually clear and sunny. Eight hundred miles west of New York, in Madison, Wisconsin, climate scientist David Travis was on his way to work.
DOCTOR DAVID TRAVIS (University of Wisconsin-Whitewater): Around the 12th, later on in the day, when I was driving to work, and I noticed how bright blue and clear the sky was, and…at first I didn’t think about it, then I realized the sky was unusually clear.
NARRATOR: For 15 years, Travis had been researching a relatively obscure topic: whether the vapor trails left by aircraft were having a significant effect on the weather. In the aftermath of 9/11, the entire U.S. fleet was grounded, and Travis finally had a chance to find out.
DAVID TRAVIS: It was certainly, you know, one of the tiny positives that may have come out of this—an opportunity to do research—that hopefully will never happen again.
NARRATOR: Travis suspected the grounding might make a small, but detectable, change to the weather, but what he observed was both immediate and dramatic.
DAVID TRAVIS: We found that the change in temperature range during those three days was just over one degree centigrade. And you have to realize that from a layman’s perspective that doesn’t sound like much, but from a climate perspective that is huge.
NARRATOR: The temperature range is the difference between the highest and the lowest temperatures in a 24-hour period. Usually, it stays much the same from day to day, even if the weather changes, but not this time. Travis had come across a new and powerful phenomenon, one which would call into question all our predictions about the future of our planet.
as I understand the climate physics, a lingering smog layer along w/ jet contrails can act as heat trapping insulators at night (if a black body radiation model is used as a basis of understanding what is going on)
so given the unlikely weather data set which is being produced as a result of the global covid-19 pandemic self quarantine, seems we can expect to see a yuge “delta” between daytime and nighttime temperatures,… which will confirm that global dimming is masking the global warming effects of CO2
could not find “online” the old NOVA program that documents how climate scientists made an interesting discovery after 9/11 when civilian aircraft flights were grounded,… but here is the BBC version which is slightly more dramatic (w/ a Kassandra warning)
FlyerInHi wrote:
It is a real [quote=FlyerInHi]
It is a real emergency or just a hoax?
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hoax?!
the amazon burning is just another deleterious effect of bureaucratic/economic mismanagement and a feedback symptom associated w/ ever increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere
given “global dimming” (which was known 20 years ago and indicates mankind does indeed have the ability to directly influence the global climate), “decreasing pH levels in the oceans” (which is another clear signal that indicates mankind does indeed have the ability to directly influence the environment), the 2015 Berkeley lab paper on the observation of CO2 increasing greenhouse effect at the earth’s surface, the ever increasing concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere (i.e. the keeling curve) and known physical properties of the CO2 molecule,… is just part of the overwhelming scientific evidence that basically tells mankind that we, “human beings are now carrying out a large scale geophysical experiment of a kind that could not have happened in the past nor be reproduced in the future” [AS ROGER REVELLE WROTE IN HIS 1957 PAPER]
FWIW there is a published paper (based on data gathered here in san diego) that indicates there essentially zero understanding of the mechanisms that cause climate change in the public at large,… so used some ideas I learned at various “startup week” workshops
phaster wrote:the amazon [quote=phaster]the amazon burning is just another deleterious effect of bureaucratic/economic mismanagement [/quote]
Yes, so lets make sure we trust in the bureaucrats and politicians to solve it cuz they know just how to and have a proven track record of working together with other leaders to do awesome things for the world.
jmpman
November 13, 2019 @
8:43 PM
Yes, but I’ll be dead before Yes, but I’ll be dead before any noticeable impact other than an elevated AC bill.
FlyerInHi
November 14, 2019 @
1:19 PM
jmpman wrote:Yes, but I’ll be [quote=jmpman]Yes, but I’ll be dead before any noticeable impact other than an elevated AC bill.[/quote]
Even if you don’t care about the climate, you can still support technologies that improve our lives. For example electric cars would make cities a lot cleaner, quieter and enjoyable places to live in.
FlyerInHi
November 14, 2019 @
10:20 PM
Venice is underwater. But Venice is underwater. But who cares? it’s an old city that time has passed by anyway.
jmpman wrote:Yes, but I’ll be [quote=jmpman]Yes, but I’ll be dead before any noticeable impact other than an elevated AC bill.[/quote]
think people should ponder a hedge strategy because,…
suppose humanity needs to build various kinds of infrastructure to address very noticeable adverse symptoms of “climate change” AND what-if the global finance system isn’t working (as expected)
FYI
[quote] Record high global debt of $250 trillion ‘could curb efforts to tackle climate risk,’ report warns
The global debt ballooned to a record high of more than $250 trillion and shows no sign of slowing down, according to a new report from the Institute of International Finance (IIF), which warned that this massive debt could impact international efforts to mitigate climate change.
Worldwide debt surged by $7.5 trillion in the first half of 2019, urging researchers to predict that the global debt would exceed $255 trillion by the end of the year.
…The bulk of the global debt – or more than 60% – is from the U.S. and China, the report released on Thursday found.
…Hidden debt and other “poorly understood contingent liabilities” can create additional uncertainty, the report said, “and could leave some sovereigns struggling to source international and domestic capital – including to combat climate change.”
I guess the deplorables are I guess the deplorables are still channeling Michelle Bachman and still want to burn incandescent bulbs. Only morons would do so. Unless, you have a very,very, very special application, it’s really stupid to still use incandescent. The Vegas casinos that need special moods and lighting effects in their restaurants and luxury suites have already converted to LED. What type of incandescent lighting do households really need?
I knew it, Covid-19 is a I knew it, Covid-19 is a climate change extremist conspiracy LOL
Just kidding.
phaster
March 31, 2020 @
1:36 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:I knew it, [quote=The-Shoveler]I knew it, Covid-19 is a climate change extremist conspiracy LOL
Just kidding.
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[sarcasm ON]
yup, there is no scientific basis for “global dimming” AND so-called problems like climate change AND the covid-19 pandemic are prime examples of fake news issues hyped by so-called eco-terrorists (A.K.A. social justice warriors)
I just wonder how the “deep state” ever manage to pull off the wide spread illusion of global climate change AND a pandemic?!
[quote] LA nearing third straight week of clean air
Amid a rainy March in which millions of Angelenos are observing orders to stay at home, sight lines in the city are getting a bit clearer, and its notorious smog is nowhere to be found.
For nearly three straight weeks, air quality maps tracking the region’s scores on the Environmental Protection Agency’s Air Quality Index have been nothing but green—the color that denotes the cleanest air.
…“We’re seeing very clean air all around California,” says Bill Magavern, policy director with the Coalition for Clean Air. “This time of year we usually have better air, especially with the rain, but the drop-off in traffic has definitely reduced emissions.”
It’s a small silver lining to a pandemic that’s shut down businesses, closed schools, and put strain on LA’s healthcare system.
Magavern points out that this could even aid those afflicted with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. The European Public Health Alliance warned last week that residents of cities with poor air quality are “more at risk” from the disease, which can cause severe respiratory issues.
[quote] The stunning impact of COVID-19 social distancing on air pollution
With millions of people sheltering in place across the San Francisco Bay Area, the daily ebb and flow of urban life has come to a sudden halt.
The COVID-19 pandemic has upended many patterns and placed tremendous strain on medical, economic, political and social systems. The corresponding drop in regional traffic, along with reduced industrial and commercial activity, also has led to a significant decline in air-polluting emissions. While images of empty freeways paint a surreal picture, they also give us an unprecedented glimpse into what happens to the air we breathe when we drastically and suddenly cut emissions.
…To better understand the impacts of our collective responses to COVID-19 on Bay Area air pollution, we took a closer look at NO2, fine particulate matter (PM2.5), ozone (O3), carbon monoxide (CO) and black carbon (BC) in the Bay Area as reported by the Air Quality and Meteorological Information System (AQMIS) for weekdays from March 9 to March 20, and compared them with the average AQMIS-reported weekday levels for the same time period from 2017, 2018 and 2019.
…While this initial glimpse at the data shows a strong correlation between reduced levels of air pollutants and actions taken to flatten the curve of the COVID-19 pandemic, much more analysis is needed to better understand the interdependencies and variables driving these trendlines.
[quote] satellite photos show how COVID-19 lockdowns have impacted global emissions
…There’s a high chance you’re reading this while practicing social distancing, or while your corner of the world is under some type of advised or enforced lockdown.
While these are necessary measures to contain the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, such economic interruption is unprecedented in many ways—resulting in some surprising side effects.
[quote] Climate-driven ‘megadrought’ is emerging in Western US, study says
The American West may be entering into a “megadrought” worse than any in the historical record
…Using 1,200 years of tree ring data, modern weather observations and 31 advanced climate models, scientists like the study’s lead author A. Park Williams concluded they had enough proof to say that America is “on the same trajectory as the worst prehistoric droughts.”
…Although an extended megadrought isn’t inevitable and complex climate variations that ended past megadrought events could reemerge — like La Niña conditions — the warmer temperatures make it harder for a drought to dissipate naturally and regional temperatures in the West are projected to keep rising.
AND because of social self distancing which results in less global pollution,… science is going to get global confirmation that worsening effects of droughts, etc., are self inflected wounds (caused by pollution)
[quote] Air Pollution Can Prevent Rainfall
March 14, 2000
Urban and industrial air pollution can stifle rain and snowfall, a new study shows, because the pollution particles prevent cloud water from condensing into raindrops and snowflakes.
[quote] More pollution, less rain
DECEMBER 4, 2019
Emissions from Asian slums could be a contributory factor in changing weather patterns, according to work published in the International Journal of Environment and Pollution, perhaps leading to worsening windspeeds, but less rainfall.
…cartoonist Walt Kelly, modified Commodore Perry’s quote to, “We have met the enemy and he is us,” in a cartoon he created in 1970 celebrating the first Earth Day in 1970. The message being that man – from his treatment of the earth – is the planet’s enemy.
phaster
June 18, 2020 @
6:49 PM
noticed in the NYT
Quote:
A noticed in the NYT
[quote] A War Against Climate Science, Waged by Washington’s Rank and File
Efforts to undermine climate change science in the federal government, once orchestrated largely by President Trump’s political appointees, are now increasingly driven by midlevel managers trying to protect their jobs and budgets and wary of the scrutiny of senior officials, according to interviews and newly revealed reports and surveys.
A case in point: When John Crusius, a research chemist at the United States Geological Survey, published an academic paper on natural solutions to climate change in April, his government affiliation never appeared on it. It couldn’t.
Publication of his study, after a month’s delay, was conditioned by his employer on Dr. Crusius not associating his research with the federal government.
“There is no doubt in my mind that my paper was denied government approval because it had to do with efforts to mitigate climate change,” Dr. Crusius said, making clear he also was speaking in his personal capacity because the agency required him to so. “If I were a seismologist and had written an analogous paper about reducing seismic risk, I’m sure the paper would have sailed through.”
Government experts said they have been surprised at the speed with which federal workers have internalized President Trump’s antagonism for climate science, and called the new landscape dangerous.
when TRUMP and the bureaucrats actively ignore the science, what came to mind is this is sorta akin to what happens in a madrasas!!!
[quote] …madrasas promote Islamic extremism and militancy, and are a recruiting ground for terrorism
…Because most madrasa graduates have access only to a limited type of education, they commonly are employed in the religious sector as prayer leaders and Islamic scholars. Authorities in various countries are considering proposals for introducing improved science and math content into madrasas’ curricula
hopefully this nov, voters wake up and realized TRUMP is not helping this country address the really big problem(s) of climate change, covid-19, etc.
outtamojo
June 19, 2020 @
7:02 AM
“hopefully this nov, voters “hopefully this nov, voters wake up and realized TRUMP is not helping this country address the really big problem(s) of climate change, covid-19, etc.”
Haha trump supporters are all about preserving the hegemony, nothing else matters to them. they love him more than jesus.
PCinSD
June 19, 2020 @
7:17 AM
lol lol
phaster
June 19, 2020 @
4:30 PM
outtamojo wrote:trump [quote=outtamojo]trump supporters are all about preserving the hegemony, nothing else matters to them. they love him more than jesus.[/quote]
sadly I know,… partisans love him more than jesus
being somewhat of an optimist have to hang on to some hope that those that have drank TRUMPs kookaid, will realize that TRUMPs leadership is nothing more than political theater drama (at best)!!!
…I also realize that human nature being what it is, odds are those that have drank TRUMPs kookaid are not going to suddenly give up hope in their messiah
[quote] Would you stand up to an oppressive regime or would you conform? Here’s the science
There are countless examples of past and present monstrous regimes in the real world. And they all raise the question of why people didn’t just rise up against their rulers. Some of us are quick to judge those who conform to such regimes as evil psychopaths – or at least morally inferior to ourselves.
But what are the chances that you would be a heroic rebel in such a scenario, refusing to be complicit in maintaining or even enforcing the system?
To answer this question, let’s start by considering a now classic analysis by American organisational theorist James March and Norwegian political scientist Johan Olsen from 2004.
They argued that human behaviour is governed by two complementary, and very different, “logics”. According to the logic of consequence, we choose our actions like a good economist: weighing up the costs and benefits of the alternative options in the light of our personal objectives. This is basically how we get what we want.
But there is also a second logic, the logic of appropriateness. According to this, outcomes, good or bad, are often of secondary importance – we often choose what to do by asking “What is a person like me supposed to do in a situation like this”?
…The authoritarian state is therefore concerned above all with preserving ideology – defining the “right” way to think and behave – so that we can unquestioningly conform to it.
This can certainly help explain the horrors of Nazi Germany – showing it’s not primarily a matter of individual evil.
Agree they are morons
If Agree they are morons
If only the potus would quit retweeting and promoting morons like that.
PCinSD
June 20, 2020 @
6:40 PM
outtamojo wrote:Agree they [quote=outtamojo]Agree they are morons
If only the potus would quit retweeting and promoting morons like that.[/quote]
He did that?
phaster
June 21, 2020 @
5:20 PM
^^^
Quote:
Hottest Arctic ^^^
[quote]
Hottest Arctic temperature record probably set with 100-degree reading in Siberia
A northeastern Siberian town is likely to have set a record for the highest temperature documented in the Arctic Circle, with a reading of 100.4 degrees (38 Celsius) recorded Saturday in Verkhoyansk, north of the Arctic Circle and about 3,000 miles east of Moscow. Records at that location have been kept since 1885.
If verified, this would be the northernmost 100-degree reading ever observed, and the highest temperature on record in the Arctic, a region that is warming at more than twice the rate of the rest of the globe.
[quote]
Hottest Arctic temperature record probably set with 100-degree reading in Siberia
A northeastern Siberian town is likely to have set a record for the highest temperature documented in the Arctic Circle, with a reading of 100.4 degrees (38 Celsius) recorded Saturday in Verkhoyansk, north of the Arctic Circle and about 3,000 miles east of Moscow. Records at that location have been kept since 1885.
If verified, this would be the northernmost 100-degree reading ever observed, and the highest temperature on record in the Arctic, a region that is warming at more than twice the rate of the rest of the globe.
I’d love to see more craigslist ads please. Powerful shit.
phaster
June 21, 2020 @
9:01 PM
PCinSD wrote:
I’d love to see [quote=PCinSD]
I’d love to see more craigslist ads please. Powerful shit.[/quote]
please note I included the phrase POLITICAL THEATER and included a URL to a twitter battle (in the graphic)
…this was suppose to indicate that I personally think the stuff going on now w/ TRUMP is only a minor hiccup in the grand scheme of things
said another way was 99.999% certain the craigslist ad, was just another bit of misdirection
…perhaps its a tin foil hat theory but FWIW here is something to put things into perspective (as I read the tea leaves)
this is because POTUS is an idiot who has tweeted some to say the least,… some unique thoughts
truth be told, don’t think the other guy is any kind of stable genius either
BTW WRT
the covid-19 infection rate indoors (i.e. @ the organized TRUMP rally in Tulsa) is much higher than it is outdoors (i.e. at the #BLM riots, like in la mesa)
PS thought your other graphic was good for a laugh
I’d love to see more craigslist ads please. Powerful shit.[/quote]
please note I included the phrase POLITICAL THEATER and included a URL to a twitter battle (in the graphic)
…this was suppose to indicate that I personally think the stuff going on now w/ TRUMP is only a minor hiccup in the grand scheme of things
said another way was 99.999% certain the craigslist ad, was just another bit of misdirection
…perhaps its a tin foil hat theory but FWIW here is something to put things into perspective (as I read the tea leaves)
this is because POTUS is an idiot who has tweeted some to say the least,… some unique thoughts
truth be told, don’t think the other guy is any kind of stable genius either
BTW WRT
the covid-19 infection rate indoors (i.e. @ the organized TRUMP rally in Tulsa) is much higher than it is outdoors (i.e. at the #BLM riots, like in la mesa)
PS thought your other graphic was good for a laugh
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Hello White. Be less White. Thanks.
Nowhere did your post claim that the craigslist ad you were posting as true . . . was in fact false. You and everything in that post was submitted as if it were true. You wouldn’t have posted it otherwise.
The political theater remark was already included in the screenshot you posted. And it certainly doesn’t give you cover now, dumb dumb.
You’re very logicaly.
phaster
June 21, 2020 @
10:20 PM
PCinSD wrote:
Hello White. [quote=PCinSD]
Hello White. Be less White. Thanks.
Nowhere did your post claim that the craigslist ad you were posting as true . . . was in fact false. You and everything in that post was submitted as if it were true. You wouldn’t have posted it otherwise.
The political theater remark was already included in the screenshot you posted. And it certainly doesn’t give you cover now, dumb dumb.
You’re very logicaly.[/quote]
huh,… hate to destroy your illusion, but I’m not pigmentally challenged (i.e. “white”)
actually was one of those over represented minorities in the UC system to give ya a hint, but do have one thing in common with the pigmentally challenged (i.e. “white” folks) don’t seem to have a problems w/ cops in fancy neighborhoods occupied by the 1%
as to the claim of the craigslist notice being true or false, believe whatever ya want to believe I really don’t care one way or another
PCinSD
June 21, 2020 @
10:45 PM
phaster wrote:
as to the [quote=phaster]
as to the claim of the craigslist notice being true or false, believe whatever ya want to believe I really don’t care one way or another[/quote]
Hello White. Just so there is no confusion later;
YOU believe what that craigslist ad says because it fits your narrative.
You’re not smart.
davelj
June 19, 2020 @
1:07 PM
I’ll solve the climate change I’ll solve the climate change challenge for humanity:
Stop reproducing.
You’re welcome.
I have little patience for environmental discussions because the solution is right in front of every human’s eyes… they just don’t have the discipline to stop reproducing. It’s sad, but such is life.
scaredyclassic
June 19, 2020 @
2:58 PM
davelj wrote:I’ll solve the [quote=davelj]I’ll solve the climate change challenge for humanity:
Stop reproducing.
You’re welcome.
I have little patience for environmental discussions because the solution is right in front of every human’s eyes… they just don’t have the discipline to stop reproducing. It’s sad, but such is life.[/quote]
if you watch HONEYLAND (academy award nominee), it becomes clear children are a problem.
May 7, 2018 @ 4:04 PM
ucodegen wrote:
“Look before
[quote=ucodegen]
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had to finish what I started the other evening,… which is the poll I though to have more substance than CA renters alleged “computer hack” thread w/ skunk shitting poll contest!… that along w/ the PDF I was trying to put together late at night,… where basically I was trying to highlight something w/ in the PDF,… so to do that, first had to use OCR software to convert the document, blab, blah, blah
since you mentioned you worked at SIO (long ago), pretty sure you know Walter Munk is another major figure in that neck of the woods,… anyway he too had concerns about the misuse of revelle’s good name/reputation being connected to an article in some Washington, D.C. club magazine (which is documented in an AFFIDAVIT provided by revelle’s secretary)
so check out the revised PDF (at the link below) because the “included” AFFIDAVIT IMHO shows pretty clearly that singer isn’t all that honest or trustworthy of a “scientist” and his personal account,…
http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/files/documents/0817939326_283.pdf
is basically historical PR revisionism
also FWIW back in the day when Revelle was teaching, we didn’t have access to solid data of exact CO2 measurements,… now we do thanks to ice core sample(s)
Richard Alley a climate scientist (and FWIW a “Republican” National Academy of Sciences member), IMHO fills in the gaps and settles the question about the role CO2 plays w/ temperature that revelle got me interested in years ago,…
also of interest is a presentation (@ National Academy of Sciences 152nd Annual Meeting) on the on 4.6 Billion Years of Earth’s Climate History
AND a talk a yale about the economics of climate change, which again IMHO is vary similar in style as to how revelle had us students look at a problem (from another angle)
May 7, 2018 @ 4:18 PM
There is a lot of 1980s
There is a lot of 1980s thinking out there.
People claim that green tech slows down growth. True at one time, but we have reached economies of scale.
it’s now proven that green tech accelerates growth. We will see in the next 20 years what countries will dominate the tech of the future. I’m pretty confident people who embrace green tech will save money, make money, and become richer. I won’t feel sorry for thise who are poorer because they cling to the past.
May 20, 2018 @ 11:58 AM
From roughly 1975 to 1990,
From roughly 1975 to 1990, Germany cut it’s oil use in half and it’s economy doubled in size.
May 28, 2018 @ 8:54 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:…We will
[quote=FlyerInHi]…We will see in the next 20 years what countries will dominate the tech of the future. I’m pretty confident people who embrace green tech will save money, make money, and become richer. I won’t feel sorry for thise who are poorer because they cling to the past.[/quote]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZDBMfe3iPE
[quote=FlyerInHi]
May 2, 2018 – 1:18pm
Humans may not be able to deal with environmental collapse. Theoretically very difficult, if not impossible.
On the other hand, financial collapse can be dealt with some social engineering and reallocation of resources. Theoretically not that difficult.
https://piggington.com/ot_should_pridkharveygogogosandiego_be_banned?page=1#comment-280898
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financial collapse can be dealt with???
As I see things its one of the dominos (yet to fall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg
in a PSYOP chain reaction that started long ago @ UCSD
[quote=***allegedly*** Revelle in 1992]
“Look before you leap – Drastic, precipitous—and, especially, unilateral—steps to delay the putative greenhouse impacts can cost jobs and prosperity and increase the human costs of global poverty, without being effective. Stringent economic controls now would be economically devastating particularly for developing countries…”
http://www.TinyURL.com/RevelleDoubt
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Climate “realists” want U.S. to stop spending money on climate change – CBS News
A group of climate change skeptics who call themselves “climate realists” think the U.S. has spent too much money on climate change already, and they want the government to stop. Climate scientists, the U.N. and NASA dismiss these arguments as propaganda for fossil fuel interests. Dean Reynolds reports.
http://download.cbsnews.com/media/mpx/2017/04/22/927479875609/0422_EN_GlobalWarming_Reynolds_1297830_740.mp4
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/climate-realists-want-u-s-to-stop-spending-money-on-climate-change/
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actually stopped by to check the poll results thus far which are not too surprising given the older more established demographic attracted to “real estate” and perhaps wanting to keep the “comfortable” status quo,…
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Del Mar stands firm against ‘planned retreat’
Del Mar’s City Council agreed Monday night that “planned retreat” will not be part of its long-term strategy for dealing with sea-level rise, despite the state Coastal Commission’s urging to include the idea.
Planned retreat, also called “managed retreat,” is a strategy of removing seawalls, roads, homes and other structures gradually over the years in advance of rising sea levels.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/communities/north-county/sd-no-retreat-wording-20180521-story.html
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FWIW what you all might find interesting is the 10 most critical problems in the world, according to millennials
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For the third year in a row, millennials who participated in the World Economic Forum’s Global Shapers Survey 2017 believe climate change is the most serious issue affecting the world today.
http://www.businessinsider.com/world-economic-forum-world-biggest-problems-concerning-millennials-2016-8
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June 9, 2018 @ 11:22 AM
piaster wrote:
financial
[quote=piaster]
financial collapse can be dealt with???
As I see things its one of the dominos (yet to fall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg
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I believe an engineer would say yes. Money has nothing to do with the physical world. It’s just human construct to assign brownie points. A genius engineer could come up with some better way.
April 21, 2020 @ 9:32 AM
Quote:
COVID-19 Could Help
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COVID-19 Could Help Solve Climate Riddles
Pollution declines from pandemic shutdowns may aid in answering long-standing questions about how aerosols influence climate
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-could-help-solve-climate-riddles/
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the pandemic is a teachable moment along being an opportunity to address big problems head on!!!
typically when times are good people don’t want to hear bad news because they don’t want anything to kill their happy mood BUT when people are in a difficult situation they might be more willing to listen and have an open mind about unsettling news (and take action to avoid the fermi-paradox)
[quote]
There’s a compelling reason scientists think we’ve never found aliens
The Fermi paradox asks why we haven’t found aliens yet. Could a “Great Filter” like climate change kill intelligent life before it reaches other planets?
http://www.businessinsider.com/climate-change-great-filter-fermi-paradox-aliens-2017-7
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The Ostrich Effect (HIDDEN BRAIN podcast)
…Information aversion is one of many, many domains where human behavior seems to deviate from the models of economists. Instead of doing the rational thing, learning as much as possible about something, many of us do the opposite. We stick our heads in the sand. And this is true for more than just financial information.
…The bigger the potential good news, the more likely volunteers were to pay. The studies show that people are hungry for information when information is pleasant.
…just as the researchers had expected, volunteers were more likely to pay money to avoid getting highly unpleasant information
…Another thing the researchers found – students who were in a good mood were more likely to avoid information than those in a bad mood. This may seem surprising, but it actually makes complete sense. When you’re in a good mood, do you really want to ruin how you feel
http://www.npr.org/2018/08/06/636133086/you-2-0-the-ostrich-effect
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[quote]
Virus Shows Why There Won’t Be Global Action on Climate Change
COVID-19 reveals three reasons why fighting climate change is so hard.
First, stopping the spread of this highly contagious disease requires that we all upend our daily lives in dramatic ways—and often do so for the benefit of others.
The second sobering lesson from COVID-19 for climate change efforts is the importance of public buy-in and education. The problems of collective action described above are less acute when the public broadly understands the gravity of the threat.
The third reason COVID-19 should give pause to expectations about climate change action is because of what it reveals about the strong link between carbon emissions and economic activity.
…the pandemic is a reminder of just how wicked a problem climate change is because it requires collective action, public understanding and buy-in, and decarbonizing the energy mix while supporting economic growth and energy use around the world.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-pandemic-shows-why-no-global-progress-on-climate-change/
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bottom line unless trends change,… humanity and the environment on the planet is in big trouble
May 21, 2018 @ 12:15 PM
I’m loving it. Prince
I’m loving it. Prince Harry’s old jaguar is now an electric car.
This past weekend I was in Ramona (of all places) and they were so many Harleys belching out smoke and creating noise. So annoying! We need to move to electric quickly to make our cities more liveable.
https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/19/prince-harry-meghan-markle-electric-jaguar-royal-wedding/
May 22, 2018 @ 7:01 AM
Ugh, it will be a sad day
Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely – too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.
Anticipating that day, if I have my kids in the car when a V8 with aftermarket exhaust rumbles by, I roll down the window and say “SHHH!! Listen!!”
Even the artificial engine noise pumped through my 228i speakers is a little disheartening, but better than total silence. I think it would be especially silly on an electric car.
All that said, I would be happy if private cars (electric and otherwise) were completely eliminated from downtowns and replaced with something better. Something useable and safe for pedestrians. If I suddenly decide I want to be two blocks north, I want to be in my ride in 10 seconds flat.
May 22, 2018 @ 10:25 AM
Had electric – hated it,
Had electric – hated it, feels like you’re driving a big golf cart! Nothing is sweeter than the sound of a real combustion engine at full throttle. Just traded it in and purchased the family an M5. Great family car and gets the kids to piano practice real quick.
May 22, 2018 @ 10:37 AM
Good choice. I looked at the
Good choice. I looked at the older V10 M5, just because they are a practical size and sound incredible, then had a good chuckle at the gas mileage. With my commute I would spend something like $900/month on gas.
May 22, 2018 @ 10:55 AM
Yeah the older ones were gas
Yeah the older ones were gas guzzlers. The new one is rated at 15/21, but honestly probably closer to 13/18 with the way I drive. The modes on the new models are amazing and can go from a 600 hp beast to a regular 5 series with a click of a button.
If mileage is an issue you should look into the new M2. It gets 18/26 and is a beast; inline 6 that puts out 343 lb-ft of torque.
May 22, 2018 @ 11:32 AM
I’m actually looking at the
I’m actually looking at the M2 and the M240i. It depends on how harsh the ride is. M2 has a fixed suspension compared to the adaptive in the 240, and some people are saying the M2 is too stiff for the street. I’ll have to test drive it. A 240 with a tune would be just as fast, although not as light and wouldn’t look as good.
May 22, 2018 @ 1:56 PM
im in the market for an
im in the market for an electric bike.
June 9, 2018 @ 11:07 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:im in
[quote=scaredyclassic]im in the market for an electric bike.[/quote]
What model did you get? And how much?
May 28, 2018 @ 8:53 AM
Ribbles wrote:Ugh, it will be
[quote=Ribbles]Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely – too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.
Anticipating that day, if I have my kids in the car when a V8 with aftermarket exhaust rumbles by, I roll down the window and say “SHHH!! Listen!!”
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[quote=millennial]
Nothing is sweeter than the sound of a real combustion engine at full throttle.
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personally not too fond of aftermarket resonators replacing stock parts on mass produced vehicles,… seems like its insecure guys craving attention who add a resonator to some POS (piece of $hit)
having said that, I do like the sound of a v12 (and old school “tail draggers”)
The Engine That Won World War II – Jay Leno’s Garage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcKdK7hmEo
FWIW had a BMW 540 w/ six-speed manual and sport package, which was a nice “open” road trip vehicle,… BUT in heavy stop and go “urban” traffic, it sucked! then there were the service bills!! so got rid of it,… actually my newest ride, for my urban neighborhood is a “cruiser” eBike
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ZkTGUf95U
which makes running errands (like to the bank) something to look forward to
June 9, 2018 @ 11:22 AM
Ribbles wrote:Ugh, it will be
[quote=Ribbles]Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely – too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.
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I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars. And the kind of money people spend on cars, relative to their incomes. Totally irrational to me.
To me, if we find something better, it’s time to get rid of the old and move on.
June 11, 2018 @ 8:35 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:I don’t
[quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars.[/quote]People get attached to cars for the same reasons they’re passionate about anything – art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it’s easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology. It’s usually something you acquire early in life, in the same way as people who are really into music. I remember as a kid thinking they were all just transportation appliances, and wondering how people could even tell them apart and know the different model names. My trigger was my sister’s MG – 35 years later I still remember the smell. Then one day I saw a black 930 slant nose wide body in a parking lot, and it was the toughest, most intimidating looking car I had ever seen. That’s when I really understood the personality thing. And I hadn’t even heard that glorious motor yet.
[quote]And the kind of money people spend on cars, relative to their incomes. Totally irrational to me.[/quote]Well, certainly – there’s a point where you cross from enthusiast to stupid. But if you don’t have a lot of responsibility and would rather have an $800 car payment than invest it, then I say live it up. As long as you understand the consequences.
[quote]To me, if we find something better, it’s time to get rid of the old and move on.[/quote]Is a Kindle better than a book? More efficient, sure. But a better reading experience? Not by a long shot, in my opinion.
June 11, 2018 @ 4:35 PM
Ribbles wrote:FlyerInHi
[quote=Ribbles][quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars.[/quote]People get attached to cars for the same reasons they’re passionate about anything – art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it’s easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology. It’s usually something you acquire early in life, in the same way as people who are really into music. I remember as a kid thinking they were all just transportation appliances, and wondering how people could even tell them apart and know the different model names. My trigger was my sister’s MG – 35 years later I still remember the smell. Then one day I saw a black 930 slant nose wide body in a parking lot, and it was the toughest, most intimidating looking car I had ever seen.
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Cars are a combination of beautiful art and beautiful engineering. It appeals to four of our five senses: sight, sound, smell, touch.
To me, it’s like fine art that I can enjoy in three dimensions while taking me on any adventure I can dream up…what more could I ask for?
June 12, 2018 @ 12:04 PM
yeah, I get the love of
yeah, I get the love of cars…. people can own internal combustion cars if they want. But they should not try to impede progress and block public transport, autonomous, etc…
I think the anti public transport attitude is retarding economic progress. We, Americans, are smart and innovative. We should own high speed rail tech, not the Chinese. I feel like we simply gave up a huge industry. It’s going to be many times larger then Boeing and employ engineers who will give rise to all kinds of new tech. Too bad it won’t be our engineers.
It’s not just climate change, but economic development.
June 18, 2018 @ 7:02 PM
svelte wrote:
Ribbles
[quote=svelte]
[quote=Ribbles]
[quote=FlyerInHi]I don’t understand the emotional attachment to cars.
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People get attached to cars for the same reasons they’re passionate about anything – art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it’s easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology….
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Cars are a combination of beautiful art and beautiful engineering. It appeals to four of our five senses: sight, sound, smell, touch.
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as I see things vehicle transportation can be made into art (i.e. self expression), which ranges from prim and proper “old school”
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Morgan Aero Coupe: Street Theatre – XCAR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR6lwpfte9Q
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to irreverently
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Rat’s Hole Custom Bike Show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mO45J9_lHRU
https://www.ratsholecustombikeshows.com
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given trends toward electric motor(s) being used to power transportation vehicles, personally really like this take on an “old school” racer
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Woww! Infiniti Prototype 9 is a wonderfully beautiful EV grand prix car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Ss1LWNpQU
https://www.infinitiusa.com/about/news-events/prototype-9.html
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also really like this F-CELL Roadster
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Mercedes F-CELL Roadster: Hydrogen-Powered Buggy Concept
The Mercedes-Benz F-CELL Roadster pays homage to the very first car ever built, the Benz Patent Motor Car, but adds joystick control, a fiberglass body and hydrogen-electric fuel-cell power.
https://jalopnik.com/5183567/mercedes-f-cell-roadster-hydrogen-powered-buggy-concept
The Making of the Mercedes F-CELL Roadster Concept
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujr305WcClI
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June 9, 2018 @ 10:59 AM
June 2018 ISSUE (IEEE
June 2018 ISSUE (IEEE spectrum)
[quote]
Can Technology Reverse Climate Change?
Do you believe that climate change is a vast left-wing conspiracy that does little more than create jobs for scientists while crippling businesses with pointless regulation? Or, quite the contrary, are you convinced that climate change is the biggest crisis confronting the planet, uniquely capable of wreaking havoc on a scale not seen in recorded history?
Many of you are probably in one camp or the other. No doubt some of you will tell us how disappointed/angry/outraged you are that we (a) gave credence to this nonsense or (b) failed to convey the true urgency of the situation. We welcome your thoughts.
In crafting this issue, we steered clear of attempting to change hearts and minds. Your views on climate change aren’t likely to be altered by a magazine article, or even two dozen magazine articles. Rather, this issue grew out of a few simple observations. One is that massive R&D programs are now under way all over the world to develop and deploy the technologies and infrastructures that will help reduce emissions of greenhouse gases…
https://spectrum.ieee.org
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what I found personally interesting looking at the issue from a EE perspective is
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Prototype Electric Plane Built by Siemens and Magnus Aircraft Crashes in Hungary, Killing Both People on Board
An experimental electric plane built by Hungary’s Magnus Aircraft and Siemens crashed on Thursday near Budapest, killing the pilot and the passenger.
Earlier this year the pilot took me for a 15-minute flight in this model, called the Magnus eFusion. The electric motor and the entire propulsion system are supplied by Siemens…
https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/aerospace/aviation/prototype-electric-plane-built-by-siemens-and-magnus-aircraft-crashes-in-hungary-killing-both-on-board
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when aircraft powered by something other than an internal combustion engine is a common everyday experience, that is an indication IMHO when most people will realize there are serious downside consequences to burning fossil fuels
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/the-impossible-flight.html
July 11, 2018 @ 12:27 PM
Phaster, seems to me that
Phaster, seems to me that planes will be one of the very last things to stop using hydrocarbons and go electric.
The all-electric Leaf has 600lbs of batteries and goes about 150 miles. A small car like that would need only about 40lbs of gas to go that far.
If anything, if we completely ran out of oil, I bet we’d run planes on ethanol or coal-to-liquid-fuel while cars would quickly shift to mostly electric.
August 4, 2018 @ 9:06 AM
gzz wrote:Phaster, seems to
[quote=gzz]Phaster, seems to me that planes will be one of the very last things to stop using hydrocarbons and go electric.
The all-electric Leaf has 600lbs of batteries and goes about 150 miles. A small car like that would need only about 40lbs of gas to go that far.
If anything, if we completely ran out of oil, I bet we’d run planes on ethanol or coal-to-liquid-fuel while cars would quickly shift to mostly electric.[/quote]
airplanes fly when “lift” and “thrust” > “weight” and “drag”
and as you pointed out liquid fossil fuels are much more energy dense than “batteries” but w/ advances in material science (i.e. lighter aircraft structures), advances in aerodynamics (i.e. creating aircraft w/ less “drag” AND creating power plants that produce more “thrust” but use less energy), etc., its pretty obvious at some point in the future, “electric” power is going to be used in aircraft propulsion
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NASA asked a Boeing-led team to explore the possibilities of a hybrid electric aircraft. Marty Bradley, Boeing Research and Technology, explains how the SUGAR Volt concept is defining the future of flight (2:24)
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/videos/category/innovation/sugar-volt-envisioning-tomorrows-aircraft/
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Zunum Aero’s Hybrid Electric Airplane Aims To Rejuvenate Regional Travel
In the century that’s elapsed since the dawn of commercial aviation, air transportation has become pretty well refined. Yet paradoxically, it’s easier to fly halfway around the world than to travel to a nearby city. As a result, many people shun air travel when taking short trips.
…In the globalized economy, communities without good air service struggle to attract investment and create jobs.
To undo the damage, we and others are looking to hybrid-electric aircraft propulsion, a system made possible by the convergence of technological trends in battery development, high-power motors, and power electronics.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/aviation/zunum-aeros-hybrid-electric-airplane-aims-to-rejuvenate-regional-travel
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FWIW my reading of the tea leaves is ordinary people are going to wake up to the fact that climate change is a vary real phenomenon and start demanding transportation products (like aircraft fleets) that use energy as efficiently as possible because daily weather reports (like from just this past week) is going to make it pretty obvious that something is up,…
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‘New World Record’: Imperial, California Felt Rain at 119°F
Southern California is not only sweltering under extreme heat, the city of Imperial actually witnessed rainfall when it was a scorching 119 degrees Fahrenheit outside on July 24, weather experts observed.
The bizarre event set “a new world record for the hottest temperature ever measured while rain was falling,” Dr. Jeff Masters, meteorologist and co-founder of Weather Underground, wrote in blog post.
It’s pretty rare for rainfall to occur above 100 degrees Fahrenheit, Masters noted, but NOAA weather records show that at 3:53 p.m. local time, light rain started to fall and continued for four hours straight.
…So what does rain on scorching hot day feel like? After ringing up a few city offices and businesses, one Imperial resident told Masters that the rain “made it difficult to breathe” and it felt hard on their heart.
https://www.ecowatch.com/heatwave-in-california-2018-2592442959.html
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Ocean temperature hits 80 at Solana Beach — and heat wave could drive it higher
San Diego County coastal waters continued their extraordinary warming on Friday, reaching 80 degrees at Solana Beach.
And for the second time this week the ocean temperature reached an all-time high at Scripps Pier in La Jolla, hitting 78.8 degrees on Friday. That’s the highest reading in the pier’s 102-year history.
And conditions aren’t likely to change soon.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/weather/sd-me-elevated-risk-20180803-story.html
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June 9, 2018 @ 2:57 PM
Isn’t humans the biggest
Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
June 18, 2018 @ 6:26 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
phaster
[quote=FlyerInHi]
[quote=phaster]
financial collapse can be dealt with???
As I see things its one of the dominos (yet to fall)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg
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I believe an engineer would say yes. Money has nothing to do with the physical world. It’s just human construct to assign brownie points. A genius engineer could come up with some better way.
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sure a genius engineer could come up w/ design to ameliorate various down side effects of climate change BUT if the physical world did not have a working money system, then the genius engineer would not have time to build devices to ameliorate various down side effects of climate change because too much time would be spent trying to gather food to eat, etc.
in other words w/ out a money system that every one agrees to (in a physical world), the genius engineer would have to grow food for their own personal consumption,…
consider the fact that crops need water to grow,… so does water just magically show up?
next consider in a world w/out money there is no way to pay police to protect personal property (specifically what i’m thinking of here is farm land on which crops and livestock is raised),… ever hear the of the expression Money makes the world go round?
we take it for granted that money makes it easy to trade various forms of energy that individuals need to thrive, (i.e. money is a means to substitute for basic skills people need to survive) said another way just imagine how long you would survive if you had to grow your own food, find a source for water, take care of your own healthcare, protect your land, etc.
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Money makes the world go round Liza Minnelli
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIAXG_QcQNU
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as to the question,…
[quote=Myriad]
Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
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yup I’d agree the ultimate bottom line problem is far too many people in leadship positions (as well as their enablers/followers) are dishonest and dumb,… AND don’t take into account the downside risk(s) of fiscal mismanagement
https://www.piggington.com/another_reason_leave_ca?page=1#comment-281094
https://www.piggington.com/why_are_states_so_strapped_cash_there_are_two_big_reasons?page=1#comment-280806
June 10, 2018 @ 9:17 PM
Global warming is bad for
Global warming is bad for humans but great for plants.
June 19, 2018 @ 8:28 AM
moneymaker wrote:Global
[quote=moneymaker]Global warming is bad for humans but great for plants.[/quote]
just finished my ice coffee when I heard this news story,…
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As Carbon Dioxide Levels Rise, Major Crops Are Losing Nutrients
June 19, 2018
…On a recent afternoon, Lewis Ziska, who’s a plant physiologist with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, demonstrates an experiment there with a crop important to many of us — coffee.
The chamber is really bright to mimic the sun. A few neat rows of green coffee plants are growing. The air that they’re absorbing has about the same amount of CO2 as in the pre-industrial age, about 250 years ago.
Across the hall, we can see a possible glimpse of the plant’s future. Here, there’s a chamber with plants growing at CO2 levels projected for the end of this century.
…Scientists have noticed that in many kind of plants, higher CO2 produces bigger crops. That sounds like a good thing.
But there’s a problem. Bigger doesn’t necessarily mean better. And while they’re still testing what this means for coffee’s quality, scientists have seen that other crops have lost some of their nutritional value under higher CO2 conditions.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2018/06/19/616098095/as-carbon-dioxide-levels-rise-major-crops-are-losing-nutrients
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FWIW damage to the eco system extends to other parts of the food chain,…
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The great nutrient collapse
The atmosphere is literally changing the food we eat, for the worse. And almost nobody is paying attention.
…Goldenrod, a wildflower many consider a weed, is extremely important to bees. It flowers late in the season, and its pollen provides an important source of protein for bees as they head into the harshness of winter. Since goldenrod is wild and humans haven’t bred it into new strains, it hasn’t changed over time as much as, say, corn or wheat. And the Smithsonian Institution also happens to have hundreds of samples of goldenrod, dating back to 1842, in its massive historical archive—which gave Ziska and his colleagues a chance to figure out how one plant has changed over time.
They found that the protein content of goldenrod pollen has declined by a third since the industrial revolution—and the change closely tracks with the rise in CO2. Scientists have been trying to figure out why bee populations around the world have been in decline, which threatens many crops that rely on bees for pollination. Ziska’s paper suggested that a decline in protein prior to winter could be an additional factor making it hard for bees to survive other stressors.
https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrients-carbon-dioxide-000511
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https://www.piggington.com/ot_should_pridkharveygogogosandiego_be_banned?page=1#comment-280895
June 19, 2018 @ 9:17 AM
Plaster, I meant to say that
Plaster, I meant to say that money has physically nothing to do with food production or building things. Money is the “incentive”. Can we not come up with a different incentive to do things? On the starship enterprise, there is no money. The reward is is the holo deck, a marvel of engineering.
The environment, however, once destroyed, is very hard if not impossible to fix.
June 24, 2018 @ 12:18 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
I meant to
[quote=FlyerInHi]
I meant to say that money has physically nothing to do with food production or building things. Money is the “incentive”. Can we not come up with a different incentive to do things? On the starship enterprise, there is no money. The reward is is the holo deck, a marvel of engineering.
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agree,… Money is the “incentive” where “money” has the following three characteristics
[quote]
• MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE, something that people can use to buy and sell from one another;
• STORE OF VALUE, which means people can save it and use it later; and,…
• UNIT OF ACCOUNT, provide a common base for prices
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2012/09/basics.htm
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we also know the starship enterprise along w/ the holo deck is escapist “fiction” from reality!
so personally don’t think we can come up w/ a better incentive than money (@ this point in time) because the concept of money can’t be improved upon,… rather what needs to be improved upon is the DISHONEST and DUMB weak link(s) which are creating problem(s) in the first place!
[quote]
[quote=Myriad]
Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
[/quote]
yup I’d agree the ultimate bottom line problem is far too many people in leadship positions (as well as their enablers/followers) are dishonest and dumb,… AND don’t take into account the downside risk(s) of fiscal mismanagement
https://www.piggington.com/another_reason_leave_ca?page=1#comment-281094
https://www.piggington.com/why_are_states_so_strapped_cash_there_are_two_big_reasons?page=1#comment-280806
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as for,…
[quote=FlyerInHi]
The environment, however, once destroyed, is very hard if not impossible to fix.
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there are technologically possible mitigation(s),… BUT the impediments to implementing various mitigation(s) are human weak links that feel comfortable believing the “fiction” that the status quo is sustainable
since this forum is part of a website about RE investing, bottom line is,… its a question akin to “EVOLVE OR DIE” investing,… which is why some market players excel while most don’t beat the market averages (OR lose it all)
[quote]
This guy lost $10,000 trying to time this volatile market — using his credit card
The Vancouver-based user, a financial analyst at a Canadian pharmacy who earns $50,000 a year, said he lost his entire savings ($10,000) trying to buy the dip, and he wrote in his thread about using his credit card to trade CFDs (contract for differences), which are investments that mirror assets the trader doesn’t actually own. He initially funded his trading account with $4,000, but when he got margin called a few times (which means the broker demanded he put more money in to meet minimum requirements), he ended up investing $10,000.
“When I realized what was going on, it was already too late,” he said. “My broker closed my position and I ended up losing all of it.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-guy-lost-10000-trying-to-time-the-market-volatility-using-his-credit-card-2018-02-06
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[quote]
What Makes a Great Trader? An Interview with Jack Schwager
…So self-knowledge, having an edge, risk management, and discipline are the qualities that set these traders apart?
Flexibility is another trait that separates great traders from just about everybody else. They’re able to change on a dime. They could be wildly bullish one minute, and if something happens to change their mind, they’re able to be wildly bearish the next. That flexibility to be able to change your mind and not hope that your position is right is an essential ingredient.
https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2014/04/16/what-makes-a-great-trader-an-interview-with-jack-schwager/
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sadly the “EVOLVE OR DIE” investing metaphor I refer to is a vary real possibility, given various reports,…
[quote]
Will Humans Survive the Sixth Great Extinction?
In the last half-billion years, life on Earth has been nearly wiped out five times—by such things as climate change, an intense ice age, volcanoes, and that space rock that smashed into the Gulf of Mexico 65 million years ago, obliterating the dinosaurs and a bunch of other species. These events are known as the Big Five mass extinctions, and all signs suggest we are now on the precipice of a sixth.
Except this time, we have no one but ourselves to blame. According to a study published last week in Science Advances, the current extinction rate could be more than 100 times higher than normal—and that’s only taking into account the kinds of animals we know the most about,…
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150623-sixth-extinction-kolbert-animals-conservation-science-world/
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[quote]
Scripps Study (There’s A Chance Climate Change Can Wipe Out Humans By 2050)
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2017/sep/15/scripps-study-theres-chance-climate-change-can-wip/
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/science/sd-me-scripps-climatechange-20170914-story.html
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FYI I was a big fan of Star Trek, so recall an episode/scene you might interesting
[quote]
Addiction and socialization are jeopardized by excessive game play on the Holodeck in Star Trek TNG
Lt. Barclay’s social awkwardness is revealed to originate in his spending too much time in the holodeck, running simulations that involve Enterprise crew members. The theme of addiction and video games is taken up in numerous episodes of Star Trek since the cultural assimilation of games into everyday life that occurred during the 1990s. This clip suggests a useful comparison with the later episode from Deep Space 9 in which a boy’s “addiction” to the holodeck is considered a potentially therapeutic coping mechanism for dealing with trauma.
http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/ccManager/clips/addiction-and-socialization-are-jeopardized-by/view
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PS some real news about something akin to holodeck addiction,…
[quote]
Videogame addiction is now an official disorder—but will health insurers pay for it?
An addiction to videogames can cost some people their livelihoods. Breaking that addiction is costly, too.
But that could change now that the World Health Organization (WHO) this week added “gaming disorder” to its International Classification of Diseases.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/videogame-addiction-is-now-an-official-disorderbut-will-health-insurers-pay-for-it-2018-06-21
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June 24, 2018 @ 12:39 PM
Phaster, humans are
Phaster, humans are creatures of addiction.
I think I have smart phone addiction. A lot of interesting stuff to read. I just read a Foreign Policy magazine article on trade war with China.
I think a worse addiction is sports addiction. Like watching on TV and screaming.
Marijuana addiction and food addiction, I’m thankful I don’t have.
July 8, 2018 @ 1:56 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:Phaster,
[quote=FlyerInHi]Phaster, humans are creatures of addiction.
I think I have smart phone addiction. A lot of interesting stuff to read. I just read a Foreign Policy magazine article on trade war with China.
I think a worse addiction is sports addiction. Like watching on TV and screaming.
Marijuana addiction and food addiction, I’m thankful I don’t have.[/quote]
sports addiction is somewhat beneficial (in a peaceful world) because its a substitute for mankind’s tendency toward violence and warfare,…
the biggest problems (in a peaceful world) come from addiction to wealth and power because it has the possibility to escalate human nature toward violent conflict
[quote]
Addiction to Wealth and Power
As strange as it may sound, an obsessive drive for power and wealth can be just as harmful as an addiction to drugs or alcohol. For some self-made millionaires and billionaires and other highly successful people, each new “win” is accompanied by a rush of euphoria not unlike the intoxication that comes with drug use. Although they enjoy the trappings of wealth – fancy cars, big houses, parties and vacations, it’s actually the challenge involved in sealing yet another successful deal that provides the unmistakable drug-like “high.”
…An obsession to wealth and power can cause a person to become increasingly involved with making money or gaining status. Everything else becomes secondary, including family, friends and health. In time, a person’s entire identity is wrapped up in making money or achieving more “wins”. People are judged not on their merits, but by achievement, power or the size of their financial holding.
People who are addicted to wealth and power tend to feel most powerful when they are dominating other people, with little patience for anything that stands in the way of the upward trajectory. They are often extremely competitive and have an overarching need to be right.
https://www.paracelsus-recovery.com/en/blog/addiction-to-wealth-and-power
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[quote]
Study: Your Brain Thinks Money Is A Drug
If you’ve ever thought of money as a drug, you may be more right than you know. New research shows that counting money — just handling the bills — can make things less painful.
https://www.npr.org/2009/08/07/111579154/study-your-brain-thinks-money-is-a-drug
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huh,… just thinking out loud but this sounds kinda familiar, a TV celebrity w/ an addiction?! can’t quite my finger on it,… anyway moving on,…
[quote]
Idiocracy
As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E
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Idiocracy Corollary: a reversion to the mean will eventually happen via a darwin flush event
September 3, 2018 @ 5:30 PM
FWIW
Quote:
We asked 11
FWIW
[quote]
We asked 11 climate scientists where they’d live in the US to avoid future natural disasters — here’s what they said
2017 was a record year for natural disasters in the US, with 16 severe weather events causing at least $306 billion in damages. While 2018 portends to be less destructive, it has already seen its fair share of catastrophe: As of July 9, six storms have each generated at least $1 billion in losses.
To figure out what areas are least vulnerable to natural disaster in the future, we asked 11 climatologists where they would consider living to avoid climate change. All were quick to note that no area is entirely safe, but a few cities could be less vulnerable than most.
Scientists are still working to define the relationship between climate change and natural disasters. In the last ten to 15 years, they have found evidence of the mounting influence of climate change on major events like heat waves, droughts, and heavy rains.
In fact, climate change may already be impacting where Americans choose to move. A recent study found that American homes that are vulnerable to rising sea levels sell for around 7% less than similar unexposed properties — even though the damage could be decades away.
The following cities were recommended by climatologists as some of the least vulnerable to disaster.
…San Diego, California.
San Diego may be exposed to rising sea levels, but its coastal location gives it a host of advantages. According to research from Sarah Kapnick, a climate scientist at Princeton University, San Diego may have the most ideal weather of any US city.
After studying the number of “mild weather” days — those suited for outdoor activities, with low precipitation, low humidity, and temperatures between 64 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit — Kapnick found that US summers are becoming hotter and more humid. By the end of the century, she discovered, cities in West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and New Mexico could lose weeks of mild weather due to climate change.
This wasn’t the case in San Diego, which currently boasts 180 days of mild weather per year compared to 157 in Los Angeles, 83 in New York, and just 76 in Boston. In the future, the city could see even more pristine weather conditions.
Kapnick’s study predicts that San Diego will gain three mild days per year by the end of the century. Perhaps the main concern for San Diego is a loss of precipitation, which can contribute to wildfires. That’s a major worry, but one that nearly all California cities will have to face.
https://www.businessinsider.com/where-to-live-to-avoid-natural-disaster-climatologists-2018-8
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September 11, 2018 @ 4:45 PM
Hurricane Florence is coming.
Hurricane Florence is coming. Are people still thinking global warming is a hoax?
September 11, 2018 @ 5:00 PM
NC gets hit with a major
NC gets hit with a major hurricane about every 20 years
Hazel – Category 4 hurricane hit NC in 1954
Not saying GW is a hoax, but maybe everything is being hyped way too much.
(and politicized way too much).
September 20, 2018 @ 7:05 AM
FlyerInHi wrote:Hurricane
[quote=FlyerInHi]Hurricane Florence is coming. Are people still thinking global warming is a hoax?[/quote]
[quote=The-Shoveler]
Not saying GW is a hoax, but maybe everything is being hyped way too much.
(and politicized way too much).[/quote]
opinions on climate change (like public pensions), are all too often based on human bias and self interest
https://www.piggington.com/ot_public_employee_unions_attack_the_city_of_san_diegoprop_b?page=1#comment-281814
and pointing out an evidence/logic based thesis that explains the phenomena is dismissed because it is human nature to reject any suggestion that our world view in reality, might not have any basis in fact,… or said another way
WRT climate change, we see even after the storm
[quote]
‘It’s hyped up’: climate change skeptics in the path of Hurricane Florence
Scientists warn that human-induced climate change is responsible for an increase in the number and severity of storms – such as Hurricane Florence, which has engulfed the Carolinas in the last week.
But many who weathered the tempest, deep in Trump country, don’t believe global warming fueled it and don’t think humans are the problem – or the solution..
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/19/hurricane-florence-climate-change-deniers-north-carolina
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what the typical person on the street misses about climate change is considering the much larger picture of how complex systems interact (pretty difficult to do unless one has a background in something like physics, where pondering big ideas like how was the universe created, is sort of the norm)
[quote]
Note that another key element in attribution studies is the consideration of the physical consistency of multiple lines of evidence. Both detection and attribution require knowledge of the internal climate variability on the time scales considered, usually decades or longer..
https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/ch9s9-1-2.html
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September 25, 2018 @ 11:00 AM
If anything is true over the
If anything is true over the last billion years, it is that the weather has changed.
And that we can’t really control it – unless you control 7 billion people, which isn’t going to happen.
Humanity’s ability to adapt is remarkable.
If the weather changes, people will deal with it through innovation, new products, stuff being sold and used in areas different than they are used today. It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
October 2, 2018 @ 7:40 AM
sdduuuude wrote:
If anything
[quote=sdduuuude]
If anything is true over the last billion years, it is that the weather has changed.
And that we can’t really control it – unless you control 7 billion people, which isn’t going to happen.
Humanity’s ability to adapt is remarkable.
[/quote]
Agree weather patterns have changed over the last billion or so years, AND sadly agree that its impossible to control the actions of ever increasing populations (which produces ever increasing amounts of CO2)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL7Ihm2Mh3MZ6-T0KzjXagleoqo9EqAeMC&v=3UVb–2-PBg
https://www.slideshare.net/sercuser/still-the-biggest-control-knob-carbon-dioxide-in-earthrsquos-climate-history
FWIW IMHO the more appropriate observation is,… humanity’s ability to screw things up is pretty remarkable (which sorta was mentioned in this thread)
[quote=Myriad]
Isn’t humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?
[/quote]
People for the most part are not rational,… all too often “we” formulate personal views and intuition on a topic based upon beliefs of our peer group AND short term interests
So when faced with a complex issue like climate change what happens is a case of fractal mismanagement (just like the local public pension portfolio) and unless something really noticeable happens,… people just continue blindly on (i.e. business as usual)
https://www.piggington.com/ot_public_employee_unions_attack_the_city_of_san_diegoprop_b?page=1#comment-281814
…in other words the pattern of local idiocracy (which is comforting and non-threatening) is repeated at all levels of government and organized society,… AND given there are chaotic links between the environment and the economy, have to conclude a Darwinian flush of biblical proportions is inevitable
To illustrate the point I’m trying to make, let’s skim over various news reports about various studies that point to a troublesome future
[quote]
Research forecasts US among top nations to suffer economic damage from climate change
For the first time, researchers have developed a data set quantifying what the social cost of carbon — the measure of the economic harm from carbon dioxide emissions — will be for the globe’s nearly 200 countries. Although much previous research has focused on how rich countries benefit from the fossil fuel economy, while damages accrue primarily to the developing world, the top three counties with the most to lose from climate change are the United States, India and Saudi Arabia
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180924112802.htm
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[quote]
Climate Change May Deeply Wound Long-Term U.S. Growth, Richmond Fed Paper Finds
…Projected increases in average U.S. temperatures “could reduce U.S. economic growth by up to one-third over the next century,” wrote the authors, Riccardo Colacito of the University of North Carolina, Bridget Hoffmann of the Inter-American Development Bank and Toan Phan of the Richmond Fed.
https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/05/02/climate-change-may-deeply-wound-long-term-u-s-growth-richmond-fed-paper-finds/
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[quote]
BoE finds banks unprepared for climate change risks
…The Bank of England is preparing new guidelines for how banks and insurers should manage climate change after it conducted a probe that found only 10 per cent of banks take a long-term view of such risks.
…one problem was banks’ planning horizons were too short to incorporate climate risks — the banks surveyed had four-year planning horizons on average.
https://www.ft.com/content/ce1d8ece-c19c-11e8-95b1-d36dfef1b89a
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Those who feel threatened and unprepared to deal w/ the dark future implications for the economy and the global environment, will dismiss these news-reports of studies as various crack pots presenting alternative facts
On the other hand, those that take the time to study a problem and understand what is happening, are going to be better prepared to survive
Said another way, this is akin to an investor that develops a hedge strategy in anticipation of a market correction, OR given the joke about two campers in the wilderness who encounter a mean bear,… where the punch line is the survivor is the one one in better physical condition and is able to run faster than the other guy
OR perhaps people are mostly nihilist?!
[quote]
Taibbi: Why Aren’t We Talking More About Trump’s Nihilism?
The White House now says we might as well pollute because global catastrophe is inevitable
While America was consumed with the Brett Kavanaugh drama last week, the Washington Post unearthed a crazy tidbit in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) latest environmental impact statement.
The study predicts a rise in global temperatures of about four degrees Celsius, or seven degrees Fahrenheit, by the year 2100. Worse, it asserts global warming is such an inevitable reality, there’s no point in reducing auto emissions, as we’re screwed anyway.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-white-house-climate-change-731440/
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October 3, 2018 @ 9:37 AM
sdduuuude wrote:
And that we
[quote=sdduuuude]
And that we can’t really control it – unless you control 7 billion people, which isn’t going to happen.
[/quote]
You don’t have to control 7 billion people. You have to work with the leaders of those people.
[quote=sdduuuude]
Humanity’s ability to adapt is remarkable.
[/quote]
That it is! But that doesn’t mean we should just let everything go to hell just because we know that humans will adapt allowing some humans to survive the catastrophe.
[quote=sdduuuude]
If the weather changes, people will deal with it through innovation, new products, stuff being sold and used in areas different than they are used today.
[/quote]
Yeah, humans will deal with it and most will survive. But we might have to relocate a few large cities. And maybe we’ll have to endure some famine here and there. If the climate changes such that the crops we need to feed the world can’t be grown as abundantly as they’re grown now, it isn’t at all inevitable that we’ll be able to figure out some technological marvel that will fix that.
[quote=sdduuuude]
It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.
[/quote]
I’d say that’s 180 degrees off. This is a great example of change that can only be solved by government leaders cooperating on an unprecedented scale. Is that achievable? I don’t know. But to say that we should just not even try because it’s impossible (or to trust that we’ll adapt) seems unfair to our grandchildren.
[quote=sdduuuude]
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
[/quote]
Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.
October 3, 2018 @ 11:13 AM
zk wrote:
sdduuuude wrote:
[quote=zk]
[quote=sdduuuude]
It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.
[/quote]
I’d say that’s 180 degrees off. This is a great example of change that can only be solved by government leaders cooperating on an unprecedented scale. Is that achievable? I don’t know. But to say that we should just not even try because it’s impossible (or to trust that we’ll adapt) seems unfair to our grandchildren.
[quote=sdduuuude]
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
[/quote]
Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.[/quote]
I have a good laugh whenever people say only the markets can solve human problems. Like the US Corps of Engineers didn’t tame rhe Mississippi or build Hoover dam.
Talking about the markets, green tech is a huge money making opportunity. We’ll just let China’s government lead so Chinese companies own the future. But no worries, no need to plan because only the markets work.
October 6, 2018 @ 8:51 AM
sdduuuude wrote:
A complete
[quote=sdduuuude]
A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don’t need saving from.
[quote=zk]
Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.
[/quote]
[/quote]
yup,… too much overconfidence, too little risk analysis,…
[quote]
Watching others makes people overconfident in their own abilities
“The more that people watched others, the more they felt they could perform the same skill, too — even when their abilities hadn’t actually changed for the better,” says study author Michael Kardas of The University of Chicago Booth School of Business. “Our findings suggest that merely watching others could cause people to attempt skills that they might not be ready or able to perform themselves.”
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180308085358.htm
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[quote]
Overconfidence Is a Problem. Here’s How You’re Unknowingly Suffering From It
…Acknowledging the issue of overconfidence is the first step to battling it. Recognizing that we might not know that much after all can help us get a better perspective on our situation and what steps to take in the future.
Confidence is like a balance. Too much of it, and you risk making poor decisions that have unwanted consequences. Too little, and you never risk anything at all.
https://www.inc.com/melissa-chu/why-we-fall-into-the-trap-of-overconfidence-and-3-things-you-can-do-about-it.html
[/quote]
[quote]
Brain Games- Overconfidence Effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmedqB4P1s
[/quote]
seems this is another fractal pattern that starts on the individual level and is repeated on the large scale w/ politicians, bureaucracies and corporations in various sectors like banking/finance, fossil fuel industry, etc.
December 8, 2018 @ 8:48 AM
given the
FRANCE 24 English
given the
[quote=FRANCE 24 English]
‘yellow vest’ protests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjr4cvdmbM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQhzVQtCA4
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the POTUS “tweet”
[quote=Trump]
….in the world. I want clean air and clean water and have been making great strides in improving America’s environment. But American taxpayers – and American workers – shouldn’t pay to clean up others countries’ pollution.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 4, 2018
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/12/trumps-misleading-paris-agreement-tweets/
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and his administrations denial,…
[quote]
There Aren’t Two Sides to Science, That’s Just Your Coal Money Talking
Kelly Craft is the first woman to serve as U.S. ambassador to Canada. That’s great! Unfortunately, the Kentuckian’s primary qualification seems to be that she was a Republican fundraiser. In surely unrelated news, her husband, Joe Craft, is a billionaire coal-mining magnate.
…“I think that both sides have their own results, from their studies, and I appreciate and I respect both sides of the science.”
…The fourth and latest National Climate Assessment put together by 300 scientists from 13 agencies of the U.S. government and released last month found that climate change is real, man-made, and will cost the U.S. 10 percent of its economy by 2100. Midwestern farmers will lose 75 percent of their crop yields, and trillions of dollars in coastal real estate will be at risk. The wildfires out west, already unprecedented in their destruction, will get worse…
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a25422366/trump-ambassador-to-canada-climate-change-scientists/
[/quote]
what comes to mind is people like instant gratification, dislike thinking about long term threats AND the human nature tendency to blame others,… so even in the best of times climate change is a difficult topic which is politically polarizing
adding to the challenge is the finance system which has been mismanaged for decades,… so odds are the economy crashing just about the time society needs to build various large scale infrastructure projects to survive global warming
http://www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning
so related to the climate change poll question,… how many of you are disaster prepping?
https://www.piggington.com/how_many_of_you_are_disaster_prepping
December 10, 2018 @ 10:16 AM
Disaster prepping? I don’t
Disaster prepping? I don’t think an individual can do much. Just have the means to move away if disaster strikes your area.
December 16, 2018 @ 1:58 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
have the
[quote=FlyerInHi]
have the means to move away if disaster strikes your area
[/quote]
so “moving” is what you consider prepping? seems to me this is BAU and is why the problem(s) grow worst?!
as I see things the prepping process should start off by looking for the root cause of the problem,… AND given global warming is affecting the environment and thus poses an existential threat to large segments of the population, perhaps people should also consider the five stages of greif which is a subject I learned about in a high school religion class
[quote=Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross]
5 Stages Of Grief Model
http://curioustendency.blogspot.com/2012/02/elisabeth-kubler-ross-5-stages-of-grief.html
Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross on Oprah Winfrey Show – Last Appearance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kR8VianhSk&frags=pl%2Cwn
[/quote]
at the time thought WTF this is a depressing topic for a “teen” BUT am glad I was introduced to the topic early on because I more or less learned how to address the depressing aspects and quickly move on and look for the root cause of the problem (where as most people are stuck in the denial stage and all too often by doing so are making the problem much bigger!!!)
since you’re a long term poster on this forum and are familiar w/ the players, here is an example of what I mean most people are stuck in the denial stage and all too often making the problem(s) much, much, much bigger,… take “bearishgurl” and ” CA renter” blind defense of the existing public pension system
https://www.piggington.com/ot_public_employee_unions_attack_the_city_of_san_diegoprop_b#comment-227689
AND now consider their emotional “denial” of some pretty obvious mismanagement issues given
[quote]
…paper by Julie Irwin and some other colleagues who wrote a paper on this idea of willful ignorance. And the idea was that you had a product and you had access to a whole bunch of different pieces of information. And one of them was the labor conditions or the environmental conditions. And the question was do people actually ask for this information? And you can look at it if you want, but you could decide not to look at it. And it turns out people didn’t want to look at that information because they didn’t really want to be confronted with this kind of conflict between their beliefs and, you know, what they really wanted. And they found this effect was stronger for people who cared more about labor issues, who cared more about environmental issues.
…The folks who care the most about ethics might be most willing to turn a blind eye to unethical business practices because they know if they found out about those practices, they would feel obliged to do something about it.
https://www.npr.org/2017/04/24/525117474/boycotts-and-buycotts-how-we-use-money-to-express-ourselves
[/quote]
July 24, 2019 @ 1:22 PM
phaster wrote:
so “moving” is
[quote=phaster]
so “moving” is what you consider prepping? seems to me this is BAU and is why the problem(s) grow worst?!
[/quote]
That’s what economists teach. Don’t have job? Move. Global warming? Move.
Moving to greener pastures is the way of nature.
July 24, 2019 @ 2:15 PM
Solving problems is the human
Solving problems is the human way. With nuclear power, renewables, hydroelectric power, getting rid of fossil fuels for most energy is an engineering problem, not a science/research problem. Also, human activity causes global warming. Reduce fertility. Developed countries should fund abortion and birth control programs worldwide, religious nutters be damned. Fertility reduction viruses that reduce sperm counts may also be another answer. With falling sperm counts, I actually hope that someone has already invented and released one…
July 24, 2019 @ 4:45 PM
The best way to reduce
The best way to reduce fertility is to become rich. The Chinese don’t want too many kids anymore.
We actually have good engineering solutions for the world. Unfortunately geopolitics and power play get in the way.
Countries that develop new technologies and infrastructure will become most powerful. I fear that in USA, we are letting opportunities escape because we have too many people who are fixated on conserving the past lest they envisage the future.
July 25, 2019 @ 10:13 AM
spdrun wrote:Solving problems
[quote=spdrun]Solving problems is the human way. With nuclear power, renewables, hydroelectric power, getting rid of fossil fuels for most energy is an engineering problem, not a science/research problem. Also, human activity causes global warming.[/quote]
It’s not really a engineering problem. It might require some engineering to come up with newer better version of a molten salt reactor since the last one we built and operated was 50 years ago. The biggest problem is money and politics.
July 25, 2019 @ 2:03 PM
What’s wrong with light-water
What’s wrong with light-water reactors? Just reprocess the fuel and repeal Peanut Jimmy’s outdated bans on reprocessing.
July 25, 2019 @ 3:26 PM
Light water reactors run at
Light water reactors run at very high pressures. Thorium units are low pressure and ‘fail safe’. Lots more details, but these are the biggest selling points.
August 17, 2019 @ 9:19 AM
Hobie wrote:Light water
[quote=Hobie]Light water reactors run at very high pressures. Thorium units are low pressure and ‘fail safe’. Lots more details, but these are the biggest selling points.[/quote]
FWIW DOE is starting to fund
https://whatisnuclear.com/thorium.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U9HVIFt2GE
July 24, 2019 @ 6:01 PM
Record heat in Europe. Few
Record heat in Europe. Few Europeans have air conditioners.
It’s like San Diego old timers claiming we don’t need AC near the coast. Haha. They sure changed their minds. Nobody builds house without AC anymore.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2019/07/24/europe-historic-heat-wave-is-shattering-records-with-astonishing-ease-may-hasten-arctic-melt/?noredirect=on
105F in Paris is nuts. And I was called an American sissy boy for insisting on AC during European trips. I’d rather stay at at modern Ibis than a “charming” old hotel without AC, even during non heatwave periods.
August 15, 2019 @ 2:06 PM
Wow, Greta Thunberg is so
Wow, Greta Thunberg is so well spoken, in English, her second language.
https://youtu.be/Pw8cQbo1Ilk
August 23, 2019 @ 9:50 AM
The Amazon is burning. It
The Amazon is burning. It is a real emergency or just a hoax?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/23/amazon-rainforest-fires-macron-calls-for-international-crisis-to-lead-g7-discussions
August 24, 2019 @ 11:44 AM
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August 28, 2019 @ 3:15 PM
Wow, according to his
Wow, according to his article, US households use 2.5x the electricity of European households. I didn’t know that we were so wasteful. I’m sure I contribute to it with my love of AC, even in beautiful SD. Lots of opportunities for conservation.
I did notice that when Europeans stay at my Airbnbs they don’t use the AC, or very little. My smart thermostat tells me, haha.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/08/28/we-danes-know-lot-about-wind-turbines-you-can-too-president-trump/?noredirect=on
September 28, 2019 @ 1:16 PM
Quote:
Dry Facts, Debate,
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Dry Facts, Debate, Despair: How Not to Teach Climate Change
…The message from popular culture can seem to urge that teachers just get with the program and tell students what to think., …But effective teachers know that leading with the attitude that anyone who doesn’t accept climate change is stupid is no way to help their students learn.
…Having students debate whether climate change is solid science isn’t a good strategy, because the science is, in fact, solid; there’s nothing there worth debating. As multiple studies using different methods have independently concluded,
…concentrating on the dire consequences of climate change isn’t a winner either: While students will certainly pay attention to hearing about climate change’s role in current extreme weather events and the like, the risk is that they will wind up feeling despondent and powerless.
Dry facts, debate, doom and gloom—teachers striving to teach climate change effectively despite the obstacles to doing so can be forgiven for considering all of the above.
Fortunately, there’s a better way. Climate change education is no different from any other topic in science, in that teachers want students to learn how scientists arrive at their conclusions: by collecting and evaluating evidence, assessing different explanations for the evidence, and provisionally adopting the best explanation available.
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2019/09/24/dry-facts-debate-despair-how-not-to.html
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[quote]
Children suffering eco-anxiety over climate change, say psychologists
…“Children are saying things like, ‘Climate change is here as revenge, you’ve messed up the climate and nature is fighting back through climate change’,” said Caroline Hickman, a teaching fellow at the University of Bath and a CPA executive.
“There is no doubt in my mind that they are being emotionally impacted … That real fear from children needs to be taken seriously by adults.”
Swedish teenage activist Greta Thunberg has led a worldwide youth movement demanding action on global warming through weekly “Fridays for Future” protests.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-climate-children/children-suffering-eco-anxiety-over-climate-change-say-psychologists-idUSKBN1W42CF
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given Greta’s address to world leaders
http://youtu.be/TMrtLsQbaok
since the definition of “hope” is a desire for a certain thing to happen,… seems to me that the seemingly angry Swed and her minions of global admirers is actually an indication that this group is full of “hope” by virtue of her/their willingness to act
[quote]
Hopeless or hopeful? How eco-anxiety affects kids and youth
…there may be some benefit to eco-anxiety — as long as there’s not too much of it.
“Too much anxiety paralyzes you,” said Korol, relating the issue to the Yerkes–Dodson law that suggests stress can increase motivation. For many of the eco-anxious, encouraging engagement and participation in climate action may actually be helpful, she said, but so can turning down the TV.
That’s because hope is a key factor. “It’s important to counteract the nihilism and the hopelessness that people feel,” she said. “Hopelessness is the big enemy of solving any problem, including climate change. When we’re talking about children, we need to give them hope.”
http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/hopeless-or-hopeful-how-eco-anxiety-affects-kids-and-youth-1.4608324
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September 29, 2019 @ 11:22 AM
I am all in favor of doing
I am all in favor of doing things that make sense, But I am afraid we will just end up with a binary extremism (like every thing else these days)
The middle is a very lonely place.
September 29, 2019 @ 2:33 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:I am all
[quote=The-Shoveler]I am all in favor of doing things that make sense, But I am afraid we will just end up with a binary extremism (like every thing else these days)
The middle is a very lonely place.[/quote]
Makes sense for who? Shareholders, future generations or our current convenience?
There is no middle.
September 29, 2019 @ 3:32 PM
My gosh Scaredy, you are
My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.
September 29, 2019 @ 7:03 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:My gosh
[quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.[/quote]
So where then is the “middle”? 2013 std? 1970 standard? 1930? The middle from where depends on where you place the beginning and the end, and whether 9r not we are at the beginning of the end.
How urgent is it? I dont think many could give a damn about future generations. We are just trying to maximize our situation for ourselves.
Self included.
I find your hyperbole to be quite a common response. Walk a mile or two? Egad, you want my car destroyed.
It’s rather sad really. No one can perceive reducing their use. It’s almost like gun control discussion. Any regulation is immediately seen as the end of guns.
It is impossible to discuss intelligently or unemotionally. Kind of like the zelensky phone call, or the impact of childhood.
We are incapable of being persuaded that we are unreasonable. Dug in to the end in a pit of our own view.
Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
I surrender.
September 29, 2019 @ 9:18 PM
How non-Binary of you.
How non-Binary of you. incremental change that makes sense and works.
September 30, 2019 @ 11:11 AM
scaredyclassic wrote:Our
[quote=scaredyclassic]Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
[/quote]
yup,… right now (given social norms) an average person w/ $$$$ is tempted w/ material goods or metaphorically speaking it’s akin to an individual swimming against the tide
anyway,… this just crossed my desk(top) figure since this board is suppose to be about RE, ya all might find this interesting
[quote]
Citing climate risk, investors bet against mortgage market
NEW YORK (Reuters) – David Burt helped two of the protagonists of Michael Lewis’ book The Big Short bet against the U.S. mortgage market in the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. Now he’s betting against the market again, but this time, the risk is not from underwater subprime mortgages, it’s from homes sinking under water.
As he did then, Burt has given up his full-time job to make that bet. He left his role as a portfolio manager at the $1 trillion Wellington Management last year to start an investment firm, DeltaTerra Capital, which aims to help clients manage climate risk, and, where possible, take advantage of ways the market has not yet priced in that risk. His first investment strategy is targeting residential mortgage-backed securities, or RMBS, with exposure to climate hot spots like Texas and Florida.
In doing so, Burt is joining the ranks of a small number of investors who have become worried that climate risk is underpriced in these securities, which are pools of home loans sold to investors.
“The market’s failure to integrate climate science with investment analysis has created a mispricing phenomenon that is possibly larger than the mortgage credit bubble of the mid-2000s,”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-mortgages/citing-climate-risk-investors-bet-against-mortgage-market-idUSKBN1WE0D3
[/quote]
and FWIW this kinda guy (using NSFW “language” to describe climate change) is basically the archetypal character type that sees no problem w/ the mortgage market
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0&t=3m15s
like “the big short” of 2007/2008, I sense there are ways to profit from all the problems created by idiotic human nature,… by doing one simple thing,… just looking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psCF_AHuLM4
September 30, 2019 @ 11:25 AM
phaster wrote:scaredyclassic
[quote=phaster][quote=scaredyclassic]Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
[/quote]
yup,… right now (given social norms) an average person w/ $$$$ is tempted w/ material goods or metaphorically speaking it’s akin to an individual swimming against the tide
anyway,… this just crossed my desk(top) figure since this board is suppose to be about RE, ya all might find this interesting
[quote]
Citing climate risk, investors bet against mortgage market
NEW YORK (Reuters) – David Burt helped two of the protagonists of Michael Lewis’ book The Big Short bet against the U.S. mortgage market in the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. Now he’s betting against the market again, but this time, the risk is not from underwater subprime mortgages, it’s from homes sinking under water.
As he did then, Burt has given up his full-time job to make that bet. He left his role as a portfolio manager at the $1 trillion Wellington Management last year to start an investment firm, DeltaTerra Capital, which aims to help clients manage climate risk, and, where possible, take advantage of ways the market has not yet priced in that risk. His first investment strategy is targeting residential mortgage-backed securities, or RMBS, with exposure to climate hot spots like Texas and Florida.
In doing so, Burt is joining the ranks of a small number of investors who have become worried that climate risk is underpriced in these securities, which are pools of home loans sold to investors.
“The market’s failure to integrate climate science with investment analysis has created a mispricing phenomenon that is possibly larger than the mortgage credit bubble of the mid-2000s,”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-mortgages/citing-climate-risk-investors-bet-against-mortgage-market-idUSKBN1WE0D3
[/quote]
and FWIW this kinda guy (using NSFW “language” to describe climate change) is basically the archetypal character type that sees no problem w/ the mortgage market
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0&t=3m15s
like “the big short” of 2007/2008, I sense there are ways to profit from all the problems created by idiotic human nature,… by doing one simple thing,… just looking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psCF_AHuLM4%5B/quote%5D
Tough to get the timing right on that one.
I feel guilty buying new clothing, but have no problem investing in destructive corporations.
I would be happy to make money off of death and misery and environmental destruction or failed mortgages, as long as I am somewhat distanced from it.
But the money may not be spent.
Such is the mental illness I suffer from
September 30, 2019 @ 1:57 PM
IMO buying a home in Florida
IMO buying a home in Florida or TX without flood or hurricane insurance was probably “never” a good Idea.
Also in the case of both Florida & TX , The populations have been booming for last 20 or more years so you just have a lot more homes built in harm’s way.
October 17, 2019 @ 6:45 PM
scaredyclassic wrote:phaster
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=phaster][quote=scaredyclassic]Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
[/quote]
yup,… right now (given social norms) an average person w/ $$$$ is tempted w/ material goods or metaphorically speaking it’s akin to an individual swimming against the tide
anyway,… this just crossed my desk(top) figure since this board is suppose to be about RE, ya all might find this interesting
[quote]
Citing climate risk, investors bet against mortgage market
NEW YORK (Reuters) – David Burt helped two of the protagonists of Michael Lewis’ book The Big Short bet against the U.S. mortgage market in the run-up to the 2008 financial crisis. Now he’s betting against the market again, but this time, the risk is not from underwater subprime mortgages, it’s from homes sinking under water.
As he did then, Burt has given up his full-time job to make that bet. He left his role as a portfolio manager at the $1 trillion Wellington Management last year to start an investment firm, DeltaTerra Capital, which aims to help clients manage climate risk, and, where possible, take advantage of ways the market has not yet priced in that risk. His first investment strategy is targeting residential mortgage-backed securities, or RMBS, with exposure to climate hot spots like Texas and Florida.
In doing so, Burt is joining the ranks of a small number of investors who have become worried that climate risk is underpriced in these securities, which are pools of home loans sold to investors.
“The market’s failure to integrate climate science with investment analysis has created a mispricing phenomenon that is possibly larger than the mortgage credit bubble of the mid-2000s,”
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-mortgages/citing-climate-risk-investors-bet-against-mortgage-market-idUSKBN1WE0D3
[/quote]
and FWIW this kinda guy (using NSFW “language” to describe climate change) is basically the archetypal character type that sees no problem w/ the mortgage market
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0&t=3m15s
like “the big short” of 2007/2008, I sense there are ways to profit from all the problems created by idiotic human nature,… by doing one simple thing,… just looking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psCF_AHuLM4%5B/quote%5D
Tough to get the timing right on that one.
I feel guilty buying new clothing, but have no problem investing in destructive corporations.
[/quote]
yup pretty tough to to get the timing right on an “investment” bet,… at least this time around some of those w/ access to the controls, seem to at least recognize things aren’t,… “Sunshine, Lollipops And Rainbows”
[quote]
Bank Regulators Present a Dire Warning of Financial Risks From Climate Change
WASHINGTON — Home values could fall significantly.
Banks could stop lending to flood-prone communities.
Towns could lose the tax money they need to build sea walls and other protections.
These are a few of the warnings published on Thursday by the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco regarding the financial risks of climate change. The collection of 18 papers by outside experts amounts to one of the most specific and dire accountings of the dangers posed to businesses and communities in the United States — a threat so significant that the nation’s central bank seems increasingly compelled to address it.
The Federal Reserve has been slow to talk about climate risks compared with central banks in other countries. That could be partly because the topic is more politically polarized in the United States than many other places, so talking about it exposes the Fed — which is meant to be politically independent — to accusations that it is straying into partisan territory. Already, the central bank is a frequent target of President Trump, who has criticized its interest-rate decisions for hindering economic growth.
http://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/17/climate/federal-reserve-climate-financial-risk.html
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October 1, 2019 @ 10:00 AM
scaredyclassic
[quote=scaredyclassic][quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.[/quote]
So where then is the “middle”? 2013 std? 1970 standard? 1930? The middle from where depends on where you place the beginning and the end, and whether 9r not we are at the beginning of the end.
How urgent is it? I dont think many could give a damn about future generations. We are just trying to maximize our situation for ourselves.
Self included.
I find your hyperbole to be quite a common response. Walk a mile or two? Egad, you want my car destroyed.
It’s rather sad really. No one can perceive reducing their use. It’s almost like gun control discussion. Any regulation is immediately seen as the end of guns.
It is impossible to discuss intelligently or unemotionally. Kind of like the zelensky phone call, or the impact of childhood.
We are incapable of being persuaded that we are unreasonable. Dug in to the end in a pit of our own view.
Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
I surrender.[/quote]
I am so much in love with you scaredy! You are so smart and I get everything you say. You have a special talent for explaining things so well in few words.
October 2, 2019 @ 11:26 AM
FlyerInHi
[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.[/quote]
So where then is the “middle”? 2013 std? 1970 standard? 1930? The middle from where depends on where you place the beginning and the end, and whether 9r not we are at the beginning of the end.
How urgent is it? I dont think many could give a damn about future generations. We are just trying to maximize our situation for ourselves.
Self included.
I find your hyperbole to be quite a common response. Walk a mile or two? Egad, you want my car destroyed.
It’s rather sad really. No one can perceive reducing their use. It’s almost like gun control discussion. Any regulation is immediately seen as the end of guns.
It is impossible to discuss intelligently or unemotionally. Kind of like the zelensky phone call, or the impact of childhood.
We are incapable of being persuaded that we are unreasonable. Dug in to the end in a pit of our own view.
Our individual ability to use up the earth is limited only by our wallet. Any discussion of the common good, let alone the future good, is taking muh stuff
I surrender.[/quote]
I am so much in love with you scaredy! You are so smart and I get everything you say. You have a special talent for explaining things so well in few words.[/quote]
IRL I’d say most people find me irritating. But thnx
March 31, 2020 @ 8:58 AM
The-Shoveler wrote:My gosh
[quote=The-Shoveler]My gosh Scaredy, you are right.
We Must stop globalization immediately (no more container ships) – (globalization is the biggest cause of global warming).
Everyone no more cars (must walk or ride a non-electric bike),
No more air conditioners (everyone must be forced to tear them out immediately).
No more planes or refrigerators.
Just kidding sort of LOL.
[/quote]
globalization (i.e. a networked planet w/ supply chains for consumer, food AND industrial products) is why we are where we are,…
[quote=phaster]
[quote=teaboy]I invite other Piggs to share links to their most thoughtful or thought provoking articles on the medium/long term outlook or “Coronavirus Endgame” over the next days/weeks?
[/quote]
looking at the events reported in the news,…
[quote]
Americans Coping With the Coronavirus Are Clogging Toilets
Sewage systems and toilets are backing up as consumers clean their homes with disinfectant wipes and turn to paper towels, napkins and baby wipes to cope with the lack of toilet paper.
http://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/us/flushable-wipes-clog.html
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the end game for many does not look good since common sense, critical thinking and “calm” courage to face the harsh reality seems to be missing
http://www.piggington.com/coronavirus_endgame#comment-287572
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FWIW here is something to consider WRT climate change,… since the SoCal region is densely populated and has lots of industry,… as far back as I can remember there always seemed to be a layer of haze/smog blanketing the area
http://www.wired.com/story/la-emissions-block-by-block/
BUT because of the covid-19 pandemic and the need to social distance which can only happen if people stay @ home,… point being on my evening dog walks started to notice the typical SoCal haze/smog layer, pretty much has disappeared for an extended period of time
[quote]
NARRATOR: September 12th, 2001, the aftermath of tragedy: ironically, as America mourned, the weather all over the country was unusually clear and sunny. Eight hundred miles west of New York, in Madison, Wisconsin, climate scientist David Travis was on his way to work.
DOCTOR DAVID TRAVIS (University of Wisconsin-Whitewater): Around the 12th, later on in the day, when I was driving to work, and I noticed how bright blue and clear the sky was, and…at first I didn’t think about it, then I realized the sky was unusually clear.
NARRATOR: For 15 years, Travis had been researching a relatively obscure topic: whether the vapor trails left by aircraft were having a significant effect on the weather. In the aftermath of 9/11, the entire U.S. fleet was grounded, and Travis finally had a chance to find out.
DAVID TRAVIS: It was certainly, you know, one of the tiny positives that may have come out of this—an opportunity to do research—that hopefully will never happen again.
NARRATOR: Travis suspected the grounding might make a small, but detectable, change to the weather, but what he observed was both immediate and dramatic.
DAVID TRAVIS: We found that the change in temperature range during those three days was just over one degree centigrade. And you have to realize that from a layman’s perspective that doesn’t sound like much, but from a climate perspective that is huge.
NARRATOR: The temperature range is the difference between the highest and the lowest temperatures in a 24-hour period. Usually, it stays much the same from day to day, even if the weather changes, but not this time. Travis had come across a new and powerful phenomenon, one which would call into question all our predictions about the future of our planet.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3310_sun.html
[/quote]
as I understand the climate physics, a lingering smog layer along w/ jet contrails can act as heat trapping insulators at night (if a black body radiation model is used as a basis of understanding what is going on)
so given the unlikely weather data set which is being produced as a result of the global covid-19 pandemic self quarantine, seems we can expect to see a yuge “delta” between daytime and nighttime temperatures,… which will confirm that global dimming is masking the global warming effects of CO2
could not find “online” the old NOVA program that documents how climate scientists made an interesting discovery after 9/11 when civilian aircraft flights were grounded,… but here is the BBC version which is slightly more dramatic (w/ a Kassandra warning)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xudm8n
September 28, 2019 @ 1:20 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:
It is a real
[quote=FlyerInHi]
It is a real emergency or just a hoax?
[/quote]
hoax?!
the amazon burning is just another deleterious effect of bureaucratic/economic mismanagement and a feedback symptom associated w/ ever increasing levels of CO2 in the atmosphere
given “global dimming” (which was known 20 years ago and indicates mankind does indeed have the ability to directly influence the global climate), “decreasing pH levels in the oceans” (which is another clear signal that indicates mankind does indeed have the ability to directly influence the environment), the 2015 Berkeley lab paper on the observation of CO2 increasing greenhouse effect at the earth’s surface, the ever increasing concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere (i.e. the keeling curve) and known physical properties of the CO2 molecule,… is just part of the overwhelming scientific evidence that basically tells mankind that we, “human beings are now carrying out a large scale geophysical experiment of a kind that could not have happened in the past nor be reproduced in the future” [AS ROGER REVELLE WROTE IN HIS 1957 PAPER]
FWIW there is a published paper (based on data gathered here in san diego) that indicates there essentially zero understanding of the mechanisms that cause climate change in the public at large,… so used some ideas I learned at various “startup week” workshops
http://www.SanDiegoStartUpWeek.com
to create a PDF “pitch” of basic science facts/mechanisms that explains why climate change is not a hoax!!
http://www.TinyURL.com/HowBigIsTheEarth
September 30, 2019 @ 5:37 PM
phaster wrote:the amazon
[quote=phaster]the amazon burning is just another deleterious effect of bureaucratic/economic mismanagement [/quote]
Yes, so lets make sure we trust in the bureaucrats and politicians to solve it cuz they know just how to and have a proven track record of working together with other leaders to do awesome things for the world.
November 13, 2019 @ 8:43 PM
Yes, but I’ll be dead before
Yes, but I’ll be dead before any noticeable impact other than an elevated AC bill.
November 14, 2019 @ 1:19 PM
jmpman wrote:Yes, but I’ll be
[quote=jmpman]Yes, but I’ll be dead before any noticeable impact other than an elevated AC bill.[/quote]
Even if you don’t care about the climate, you can still support technologies that improve our lives. For example electric cars would make cities a lot cleaner, quieter and enjoyable places to live in.
November 14, 2019 @ 10:20 PM
Venice is underwater. But
Venice is underwater. But who cares? it’s an old city that time has passed by anyway.
Flooded Venice had tourists taking selfies and residents in tears
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/flooded-venice-had-tourists-taking-selfies-and-residents-in-tears/2019/11/14/c9e82db2-062b-11ea-9118-25d6bd37dfb1_story.html
December 1, 2019 @ 4:46 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:Venice is
[quote=FlyerInHi]Venice is underwater. But who cares? it’s an old city that time has passed by anyway.
[/quote]
Venice flooding is a common event.
[img_assist|nid=26914|title=Venice Flooding|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=466|height=622]
December 1, 2019 @ 7:44 AM
jmpman wrote:Yes, but I’ll be
[quote=jmpman]Yes, but I’ll be dead before any noticeable impact other than an elevated AC bill.[/quote]
think people should ponder a hedge strategy because,…
suppose humanity needs to build various kinds of infrastructure to address very noticeable adverse symptoms of “climate change” AND what-if the global finance system isn’t working (as expected)
FYI
[quote]
Record high global debt of $250 trillion ‘could curb efforts to tackle climate risk,’ report warns
The global debt ballooned to a record high of more than $250 trillion and shows no sign of slowing down, according to a new report from the Institute of International Finance (IIF), which warned that this massive debt could impact international efforts to mitigate climate change.
Worldwide debt surged by $7.5 trillion in the first half of 2019, urging researchers to predict that the global debt would exceed $255 trillion by the end of the year.
…The bulk of the global debt – or more than 60% – is from the U.S. and China, the report released on Thursday found.
…Hidden debt and other “poorly understood contingent liabilities” can create additional uncertainty, the report said, “and could leave some sovereigns struggling to source international and domestic capital – including to combat climate change.”
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/record-high-global-debt-250-trillion-curb-efforts/story?id=67042801
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and FWIW the various market condition(s) why I think TSHTF might happen sooner than most people w/ an investors outlook would expect
https://www.piggington.com/shiller_pe_ratio_above_30#comment-285542
December 26, 2019 @ 10:20 PM
I guess the deplorables are
I guess the deplorables are still channeling Michelle Bachman and still want to burn incandescent bulbs. Only morons would do so. Unless, you have a very,very, very special application, it’s really stupid to still use incandescent. The Vegas casinos that need special moods and lighting effects in their restaurants and luxury suites have already converted to LED. What type of incandescent lighting do households really need?
https://earther.gizmodo.com/trump-wages-war-against-the-true-enemy-of-the-state-le-1840611817
March 31, 2020 @ 8:59 AM
I knew it, Covid-19 is a
I knew it, Covid-19 is a climate change extremist conspiracy LOL
Just kidding.
March 31, 2020 @ 1:36 PM
The-Shoveler wrote:I knew it,
[quote=The-Shoveler]I knew it, Covid-19 is a climate change extremist conspiracy LOL
Just kidding.
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[sarcasm ON]
yup, there is no scientific basis for “global dimming” AND so-called problems like climate change AND the covid-19 pandemic are prime examples of fake news issues hyped by so-called eco-terrorists (A.K.A. social justice warriors)
I just wonder how the “deep state” ever manage to pull off the wide spread illusion of global climate change AND a pandemic?!
https://twitter.com/HoarseWisperer/status/1242879985024741382
[sarcasm OFF]
[quote]
LA nearing third straight week of clean air
Amid a rainy March in which millions of Angelenos are observing orders to stay at home, sight lines in the city are getting a bit clearer, and its notorious smog is nowhere to be found.
For nearly three straight weeks, air quality maps tracking the region’s scores on the Environmental Protection Agency’s Air Quality Index have been nothing but green—the color that denotes the cleanest air.
…“We’re seeing very clean air all around California,” says Bill Magavern, policy director with the Coalition for Clean Air. “This time of year we usually have better air, especially with the rain, but the drop-off in traffic has definitely reduced emissions.”
It’s a small silver lining to a pandemic that’s shut down businesses, closed schools, and put strain on LA’s healthcare system.
Magavern points out that this could even aid those afflicted with COVID-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. The European Public Health Alliance warned last week that residents of cities with poor air quality are “more at risk” from the disease, which can cause severe respiratory issues.
https://la.curbed.com/2020/3/26/21195699/pollution-los-angeles-traffic-coronavirus
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[quote]
The stunning impact of COVID-19 social distancing on air pollution
With millions of people sheltering in place across the San Francisco Bay Area, the daily ebb and flow of urban life has come to a sudden halt.
The COVID-19 pandemic has upended many patterns and placed tremendous strain on medical, economic, political and social systems. The corresponding drop in regional traffic, along with reduced industrial and commercial activity, also has led to a significant decline in air-polluting emissions. While images of empty freeways paint a surreal picture, they also give us an unprecedented glimpse into what happens to the air we breathe when we drastically and suddenly cut emissions.
…To better understand the impacts of our collective responses to COVID-19 on Bay Area air pollution, we took a closer look at NO2, fine particulate matter (PM2.5), ozone (O3), carbon monoxide (CO) and black carbon (BC) in the Bay Area as reported by the Air Quality and Meteorological Information System (AQMIS) for weekdays from March 9 to March 20, and compared them with the average AQMIS-reported weekday levels for the same time period from 2017, 2018 and 2019.
…While this initial glimpse at the data shows a strong correlation between reduced levels of air pollutants and actions taken to flatten the curve of the COVID-19 pandemic, much more analysis is needed to better understand the interdependencies and variables driving these trendlines.
http://www.greenbiz.com/article/stunning-impact-covid-19-social-distancing-air-pollution
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[quote]
satellite photos show how COVID-19 lockdowns have impacted global emissions
…There’s a high chance you’re reading this while practicing social distancing, or while your corner of the world is under some type of advised or enforced lockdown.
While these are necessary measures to contain the spread of the COVID-19 pandemic, such economic interruption is unprecedented in many ways—resulting in some surprising side effects.
http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/emissions-impact-coronavirus-lockdowns-satellites/
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April 22, 2020 @ 10:19 AM
^^^
PS FWIW
^^^
PS FWIW WRT
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19-could-help-solve-climate-riddles/
we should expect something much worst than a 1930s dust bowl because groundwater has been depleted (so essentially there is nothing in the bank)
http://www.usgs.gov/special-topic/water-science-school/science/groundwater-decline-and-depletion
[quote]
Climate-driven ‘megadrought’ is emerging in Western US, study says
The American West may be entering into a “megadrought” worse than any in the historical record
…Using 1,200 years of tree ring data, modern weather observations and 31 advanced climate models, scientists like the study’s lead author A. Park Williams concluded they had enough proof to say that America is “on the same trajectory as the worst prehistoric droughts.”
…Although an extended megadrought isn’t inevitable and complex climate variations that ended past megadrought events could reemerge — like La Niña conditions — the warmer temperatures make it harder for a drought to dissipate naturally and regional temperatures in the West are projected to keep rising.
http://www.foxnews.com/science/climate-driven-megadrought-emerging-western-us-study-says
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AND because of social self distancing which results in less global pollution,… science is going to get global confirmation that worsening effects of droughts, etc., are self inflected wounds (caused by pollution)
[quote]
Air Pollution Can Prevent Rainfall
March 14, 2000
Urban and industrial air pollution can stifle rain and snowfall, a new study shows, because the pollution particles prevent cloud water from condensing into raindrops and snowflakes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/03/000314065455.htm
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[quote]
More pollution, less rain
DECEMBER 4, 2019
Emissions from Asian slums could be a contributory factor in changing weather patterns, according to work published in the International Journal of Environment and Pollution, perhaps leading to worsening windspeeds, but less rainfall.
https://phys.org/news/2019-12-pollution.html
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…cartoonist Walt Kelly, modified Commodore Perry’s quote to, “We have met the enemy and he is us,” in a cartoon he created in 1970 celebrating the first Earth Day in 1970. The message being that man – from his treatment of the earth – is the planet’s enemy.
June 18, 2020 @ 6:49 PM
noticed in the NYT
Quote:
A
noticed in the NYT
[quote]
A War Against Climate Science, Waged by Washington’s Rank and File
Efforts to undermine climate change science in the federal government, once orchestrated largely by President Trump’s political appointees, are now increasingly driven by midlevel managers trying to protect their jobs and budgets and wary of the scrutiny of senior officials, according to interviews and newly revealed reports and surveys.
A case in point: When John Crusius, a research chemist at the United States Geological Survey, published an academic paper on natural solutions to climate change in April, his government affiliation never appeared on it. It couldn’t.
Publication of his study, after a month’s delay, was conditioned by his employer on Dr. Crusius not associating his research with the federal government.
“There is no doubt in my mind that my paper was denied government approval because it had to do with efforts to mitigate climate change,” Dr. Crusius said, making clear he also was speaking in his personal capacity because the agency required him to so. “If I were a seismologist and had written an analogous paper about reducing seismic risk, I’m sure the paper would have sailed through.”
Government experts said they have been surprised at the speed with which federal workers have internalized President Trump’s antagonism for climate science, and called the new landscape dangerous.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/climate/climate-science-trump.html
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when TRUMP and the bureaucrats actively ignore the science, what came to mind is this is sorta akin to what happens in a madrasas!!!
[quote]
…madrasas promote Islamic extremism and militancy, and are a recruiting ground for terrorism
…Because most madrasa graduates have access only to a limited type of education, they commonly are employed in the religious sector as prayer leaders and Islamic scholars. Authorities in various countries are considering proposals for introducing improved science and math content into madrasas’ curricula
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21654.pdf
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hopefully this nov, voters wake up and realized TRUMP is not helping this country address the really big problem(s) of climate change, covid-19, etc.
June 19, 2020 @ 7:02 AM
“hopefully this nov, voters
“hopefully this nov, voters wake up and realized TRUMP is not helping this country address the really big problem(s) of climate change, covid-19, etc.”
Haha trump supporters are all about preserving the hegemony, nothing else matters to them. they love him more than jesus.
June 19, 2020 @ 7:17 AM
lol
lol
June 19, 2020 @ 4:30 PM
outtamojo wrote:trump
[quote=outtamojo]trump supporters are all about preserving the hegemony, nothing else matters to them. they love him more than jesus.[/quote]
sadly I know,… partisans love him more than jesus
being somewhat of an optimist have to hang on to some hope that those that have drank TRUMPs kookaid, will realize that TRUMPs leadership is nothing more than political theater drama (at best)!!!
…I also realize that human nature being what it is, odds are those that have drank TRUMPs kookaid are not going to suddenly give up hope in their messiah
[quote]
Would you stand up to an oppressive regime or would you conform? Here’s the science
There are countless examples of past and present monstrous regimes in the real world. And they all raise the question of why people didn’t just rise up against their rulers. Some of us are quick to judge those who conform to such regimes as evil psychopaths – or at least morally inferior to ourselves.
But what are the chances that you would be a heroic rebel in such a scenario, refusing to be complicit in maintaining or even enforcing the system?
To answer this question, let’s start by considering a now classic analysis by American organisational theorist James March and Norwegian political scientist Johan Olsen from 2004.
They argued that human behaviour is governed by two complementary, and very different, “logics”. According to the logic of consequence, we choose our actions like a good economist: weighing up the costs and benefits of the alternative options in the light of our personal objectives. This is basically how we get what we want.
But there is also a second logic, the logic of appropriateness. According to this, outcomes, good or bad, are often of secondary importance – we often choose what to do by asking “What is a person like me supposed to do in a situation like this”?
…The authoritarian state is therefore concerned above all with preserving ideology – defining the “right” way to think and behave – so that we can unquestioningly conform to it.
This can certainly help explain the horrors of Nazi Germany – showing it’s not primarily a matter of individual evil.
https://theconversation.com/would-you-stand-up-to-an-oppressive-regime-or-would-you-conform-heres-the-science-124469
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[SARCASM ON]
OTOH perhaps TRUMPs political gatherings is god’s way of saying, perhaps it is time for a darwinian flush
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/trump-rallygoers-must-agree-not-to-sue-if-they-get-covid-19.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/23/how-coronavirus-could-upend-2020-battlegrounds-204708
[SARCASM OFF]
June 20, 2020 @ 3:19 PM
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June 20, 2020 @ 4:07 PM
It takes a special kind of
It takes a special kind of partisan moron to:
1. Believe the Trump administration took out a craigslist ad seeking actors to attend their rally, and
2. Post it on this website as if it were true.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wral.com/fact-check-craigslist-ad-suggests-trump-sought-actors-for-rallies/19148821/%3fversion=amp
June 20, 2020 @ 4:54 PM
Agree they are morons
If
Agree they are morons
If only the potus would quit retweeting and promoting morons like that.
June 20, 2020 @ 6:40 PM
outtamojo wrote:Agree they
[quote=outtamojo]Agree they are morons
If only the potus would quit retweeting and promoting morons like that.[/quote]
He did that?
June 21, 2020 @ 5:20 PM
^^^
Quote:
Hottest Arctic
^^^
[quote]
Hottest Arctic temperature record probably set with 100-degree reading in Siberia
A northeastern Siberian town is likely to have set a record for the highest temperature documented in the Arctic Circle, with a reading of 100.4 degrees (38 Celsius) recorded Saturday in Verkhoyansk, north of the Arctic Circle and about 3,000 miles east of Moscow. Records at that location have been kept since 1885.
If verified, this would be the northernmost 100-degree reading ever observed, and the highest temperature on record in the Arctic, a region that is warming at more than twice the rate of the rest of the globe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/06/21/arctic-temperature-record-siberia/
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June 21, 2020 @ 7:16 PM
phaster
[quote=phaster]^^^
[quote]
Hottest Arctic temperature record probably set with 100-degree reading in Siberia
A northeastern Siberian town is likely to have set a record for the highest temperature documented in the Arctic Circle, with a reading of 100.4 degrees (38 Celsius) recorded Saturday in Verkhoyansk, north of the Arctic Circle and about 3,000 miles east of Moscow. Records at that location have been kept since 1885.
If verified, this would be the northernmost 100-degree reading ever observed, and the highest temperature on record in the Arctic, a region that is warming at more than twice the rate of the rest of the globe.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2020/06/21/arctic-temperature-record-siberia/
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I’d love to see more craigslist ads please. Powerful shit.
June 21, 2020 @ 9:01 PM
PCinSD wrote:
I’d love to see
[quote=PCinSD]
I’d love to see more craigslist ads please. Powerful shit.[/quote]
please note I included the phrase POLITICAL THEATER and included a URL to a twitter battle (in the graphic)
…this was suppose to indicate that I personally think the stuff going on now w/ TRUMP is only a minor hiccup in the grand scheme of things
said another way was 99.999% certain the craigslist ad, was just another bit of misdirection
…perhaps its a tin foil hat theory but FWIW here is something to put things into perspective (as I read the tea leaves)
this is because POTUS is an idiot who has tweeted some to say the least,… some unique thoughts
truth be told, don’t think the other guy is any kind of stable genius either
BTW WRT
the covid-19 infection rate indoors (i.e. @ the organized TRUMP rally in Tulsa) is much higher than it is outdoors (i.e. at the #BLM riots, like in la mesa)
PS thought your other graphic was good for a laugh
June 21, 2020 @ 9:20 PM
phaster wrote:PCinSD
[quote=phaster][quote=PCinSD]
I’d love to see more craigslist ads please. Powerful shit.[/quote]
please note I included the phrase POLITICAL THEATER and included a URL to a twitter battle (in the graphic)
…this was suppose to indicate that I personally think the stuff going on now w/ TRUMP is only a minor hiccup in the grand scheme of things
said another way was 99.999% certain the craigslist ad, was just another bit of misdirection
…perhaps its a tin foil hat theory but FWIW here is something to put things into perspective (as I read the tea leaves)
this is because POTUS is an idiot who has tweeted some to say the least,… some unique thoughts
truth be told, don’t think the other guy is any kind of stable genius either
BTW WRT
the covid-19 infection rate indoors (i.e. @ the organized TRUMP rally in Tulsa) is much higher than it is outdoors (i.e. at the #BLM riots, like in la mesa)
PS thought your other graphic was good for a laugh
Hello White. Be less White. Thanks.
Nowhere did your post claim that the craigslist ad you were posting as true . . . was in fact false. You and everything in that post was submitted as if it were true. You wouldn’t have posted it otherwise.
The political theater remark was already included in the screenshot you posted. And it certainly doesn’t give you cover now, dumb dumb.
You’re very logicaly.
June 21, 2020 @ 10:20 PM
PCinSD wrote:
Hello White.
[quote=PCinSD]
Hello White. Be less White. Thanks.
Nowhere did your post claim that the craigslist ad you were posting as true . . . was in fact false. You and everything in that post was submitted as if it were true. You wouldn’t have posted it otherwise.
The political theater remark was already included in the screenshot you posted. And it certainly doesn’t give you cover now, dumb dumb.
You’re very logicaly.[/quote]
huh,… hate to destroy your illusion, but I’m not pigmentally challenged (i.e. “white”)
actually was one of those over represented minorities in the UC system to give ya a hint, but do have one thing in common with the pigmentally challenged (i.e. “white” folks) don’t seem to have a problems w/ cops in fancy neighborhoods occupied by the 1%
as to the claim of the craigslist notice being true or false, believe whatever ya want to believe I really don’t care one way or another
June 21, 2020 @ 10:45 PM
phaster wrote:
as to the
[quote=phaster]
as to the claim of the craigslist notice being true or false, believe whatever ya want to believe I really don’t care one way or another[/quote]
Hello White. Just so there is no confusion later;
YOU believe what that craigslist ad says because it fits your narrative.
You’re not smart.
June 19, 2020 @ 1:07 PM
I’ll solve the climate change
I’ll solve the climate change challenge for humanity:
Stop reproducing.
You’re welcome.
I have little patience for environmental discussions because the solution is right in front of every human’s eyes… they just don’t have the discipline to stop reproducing. It’s sad, but such is life.
June 19, 2020 @ 2:58 PM
davelj wrote:I’ll solve the
[quote=davelj]I’ll solve the climate change challenge for humanity:
Stop reproducing.
You’re welcome.
I have little patience for environmental discussions because the solution is right in front of every human’s eyes… they just don’t have the discipline to stop reproducing. It’s sad, but such is life.[/quote]
if you watch HONEYLAND (academy award nominee), it becomes clear children are a problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B27ORUHlp6E