Is climate change one of the biggest crises facing humanity?

Submitted by phaster on May 7, 2018 - 3:32pm
yes
50% (14 votes)
no
43% (12 votes)
WTF is "climate change?"
0% (0 votes)
this "poll" question is dumb!
7% (2 votes)
Total votes: 28
www.cdc.gov/climateandhealth/images/climate_change_health_impacts600w.jpg
Submitted by phaster on May 7, 2018 - 4:04pm.

ucodegen wrote:

"Look before you leap - Drastic, precipitous—and, especially, unilateral—steps to delay the putative greenhouse impacts can cost jobs and prosperity and increase the human costs of global poverty, without being effective. Stringent economic controls now would be economically devastating particularly for developing countries..." Revelle 1992

had to finish what I started the other evening,... which is the poll I though to have more substance than CA renters alleged "computer hack" thread w/ skunk shitting poll contest!... that along w/ the PDF I was trying to put together late at night,... where basically I was trying to highlight something w/ in the PDF,... so to do that, first had to use OCR software to convert the document, blab, blah, blah

since you mentioned you worked at SIO (long ago), pretty sure you know Walter Munk is another major figure in that neck of the woods,... anyway he too had concerns about the misuse of revelle's good name/reputation being connected to an article in some Washington, D.C. club magazine (which is documented in an AFFIDAVIT provided by revelle's secretary)

so check out the revised PDF (at the link below) because the "included" AFFIDAVIT IMHO shows pretty clearly that singer isn't all that honest or trustworthy of a "scientist" and his personal account,...

http://media.hoover.org/sites/default/fi...

is basically historical PR revisionism

www.TinyURL.com/RevelleDoubt

also FWIW back in the day when Revelle was teaching, we didn't have access to solid data of exact CO2 measurements,... now we do thanks to ice core sample(s)

Richard Alley a climate scientist (and FWIW a "Republican" National Academy of Sciences member), IMHO fills in the gaps and settles the question about the role CO2 plays w/ temperature that revelle got me interested in years ago,...

"Alley" hosted a documentary (w/ segments) which explain:

CO2 & THE ATMOSPHERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9eGzPxA1Dg

CO2 IN THE ICE CORE RECORD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHzADl-XID8

Abrupt Climate Change
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiM1DSmCSUc

also of interest is a presentation (@ National Academy of Sciences 152nd Annual Meeting) on the on 4.6 Billion Years of Earth’s Climate History

The Role of CO2, during the Symposium—Earths, Moons, Mars & Stars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujkcTZZl...

AND a talk a yale about the economics of climate change, which again IMHO is vary similar in style as to how revelle had us students look at a problem (from another angle)

Sea-Level Rise: Inconvenient, or Unmanageable?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE9Gqy8Yy9w

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 7, 2018 - 4:18pm.

There is a lot of 1980s thinking out there.
People claim that green tech slows down growth. True at one time, but we have reached economies of scale.
it’s now proven that green tech accelerates growth. We will see in the next 20 years what countries will dominate the tech of the future. I’m pretty confident people who embrace green tech will save money, make money, and become richer. I won’t feel sorry for thise who are poorer because they cling to the past.

Submitted by Escoguy on May 20, 2018 - 11:58am.

From roughly 1975 to 1990, Germany cut it's oil use in half and it's economy doubled in size.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 21, 2018 - 12:15pm.

I'm loving it. Prince Harry's old jaguar is now an electric car.
This past weekend I was in Ramona (of all places) and they were so many Harleys belching out smoke and creating noise. So annoying! We need to move to electric quickly to make our cities more liveable.

https://www.autoblog.com/2018/05/19/prin...

Submitted by Ribbles on May 22, 2018 - 7:01am.

Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely - too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.

Anticipating that day, if I have my kids in the car when a V8 with aftermarket exhaust rumbles by, I roll down the window and say "SHHH!! Listen!!"

Even the artificial engine noise pumped through my 228i speakers is a little disheartening, but better than total silence. I think it would be especially silly on an electric car.

All that said, I would be happy if private cars (electric and otherwise) were completely eliminated from downtowns and replaced with something better. Something useable and safe for pedestrians. If I suddenly decide I want to be two blocks north, I want to be in my ride in 10 seconds flat.

Submitted by millennial on May 22, 2018 - 10:25am.

Had electric - hated it, feels like you're driving a big golf cart! Nothing is sweeter than the sound of a real combustion engine at full throttle. Just traded it in and purchased the family an M5. Great family car and gets the kids to piano practice real quick.

Submitted by Ribbles on May 22, 2018 - 10:37am.

Good choice. I looked at the older V10 M5, just because they are a practical size and sound incredible, then had a good chuckle at the gas mileage. With my commute I would spend something like $900/month on gas.

Submitted by millennial on May 22, 2018 - 10:55am.

Yeah the older ones were gas guzzlers. The new one is rated at 15/21, but honestly probably closer to 13/18 with the way I drive. The modes on the new models are amazing and can go from a 600 hp beast to a regular 5 series with a click of a button.

If mileage is an issue you should look into the new M2. It gets 18/26 and is a beast; inline 6 that puts out 343 lb-ft of torque.

Submitted by Ribbles on May 22, 2018 - 11:32am.

I'm actually looking at the M2 and the M240i. It depends on how harsh the ride is. M2 has a fixed suspension compared to the adaptive in the 240, and some people are saying the M2 is too stiff for the street. I'll have to test drive it. A 240 with a tune would be just as fast, although not as light and wouldn't look as good.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 22, 2018 - 1:56pm.

im in the market for an electric bike.

Submitted by phaster on May 28, 2018 - 8:53am.

Ribbles wrote:
Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely - too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.

Anticipating that day, if I have my kids in the car when a V8 with aftermarket exhaust rumbles by, I roll down the window and say "SHHH!! Listen!!"

millennial wrote:

Nothing is sweeter than the sound of a real combustion engine at full throttle.

personally not too fond of aftermarket resonators replacing stock parts on mass produced vehicles,... seems like its insecure guys craving attention who add a resonator to some POS (piece of $hit)

having said that, I do like the sound of a v12 (and old school "tail draggers")

The Engine That Won World War II - Jay Leno's Garage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcKdK7hmEo

FWIW had a BMW 540 w/ six-speed manual and sport package, which was a nice "open" road trip vehicle,... BUT in heavy stop and go "urban" traffic, it sucked! then there were the service bills!! so got rid of it,... actually my newest ride, for my urban neighborhood is a "cruiser" eBike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8ZkTGUf95U

which makes running errands (like to the bank) something to look forward to

Submitted by phaster on May 28, 2018 - 8:54am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
...We will see in the next 20 years what countries will dominate the tech of the future. I’m pretty confident people who embrace green tech will save money, make money, and become richer. I won’t feel sorry for thise who are poorer because they cling to the past.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZDBMfe3iPE

FlyerInHi wrote:

May 2, 2018 - 1:18pm

Humans may not be able to deal with environmental collapse. Theoretically very difficult, if not impossible.

On the other hand, financial collapse can be dealt with some social engineering and reallocation of resources. Theoretically not that difficult.

https://piggington.com/ot_should_pridkha...

financial collapse can be dealt with???

As I see things its one of the dominos (yet to fall)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg

in a PSYOP chain reaction that started long ago @ UCSD

***allegedly*** Revelle in 1992 wrote:

"Look before you leap - Drastic, precipitous—and, especially, unilateral—steps to delay the putative greenhouse impacts can cost jobs and prosperity and increase the human costs of global poverty, without being effective. Stringent economic controls now would be economically devastating particularly for developing countries..."

www.TinyURL.com/RevelleDoubt

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Climate "realists" want U.S. to stop spending money on climate change - CBS News

A group of climate change skeptics who call themselves "climate realists" think the U.S. has spent too much money on climate change already, and they want the government to stop. Climate scientists, the U.N. and NASA dismiss these arguments as propaganda for fossil fuel interests. Dean Reynolds reports.

http://download.cbsnews.com/media/mpx/20...

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/climate-re...

actually stopped by to check the poll results thus far which are not too surprising given the older more established demographic attracted to "real estate" and perhaps wanting to keep the "comfortable" status quo,...

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Del Mar stands firm against 'planned retreat'

Del Mar’s City Council agreed Monday night that “planned retreat” will not be part of its long-term strategy for dealing with sea-level rise, despite the state Coastal Commission’s urging to include the idea.

Planned retreat, also called “managed retreat,” is a strategy of removing seawalls, roads, homes and other structures gradually over the years in advance of rising sea levels.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/comm...

FWIW what you all might find interesting is the 10 most critical problems in the world, according to millennials

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For the third year in a row, millennials who participated in the World Economic Forum's Global Shapers Survey 2017 believe climate change is the most serious issue affecting the world today.

http://www.businessinsider.com/world-eco...

Submitted by phaster on June 9, 2018 - 10:59am.

June 2018 ISSUE (IEEE spectrum)

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Can Technology Reverse Climate Change?

Do you believe that climate change is a vast left-wing conspiracy that does little more than create jobs for scientists while crippling businesses with pointless regulation? Or, quite the contrary, are you convinced that climate change is the biggest crisis confronting the planet, uniquely capable of wreaking havoc on a scale not seen in recorded history?

Many of you are probably in one camp or the other. No doubt some of you will tell us how disappointed/angry/outraged you are that we (a) gave credence to this nonsense or (b) failed to convey the true urgency of the situation. We welcome your thoughts.

In crafting this issue, we steered clear of attempting to change hearts and minds. Your views on climate change aren’t likely to be altered by a magazine article, or even two dozen magazine articles. Rather, this issue grew out of a few simple observations. One is that massive R&D programs are now under way all over the world to develop and deploy the technologies and infrastructures that will help reduce emissions of greenhouse gases...

https://spectrum.ieee.org

what I found personally interesting looking at the issue from a EE perspective is

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Prototype Electric Plane Built by Siemens and Magnus Aircraft Crashes in Hungary, Killing Both People on Board

An experimental electric plane built by Hungary’s Magnus Aircraft and Siemens crashed on Thursday near Budapest, killing the pilot and the passenger.

Earlier this year the pilot took me for a 15-minute flight in this model, called the Magnus eFusion. The electric motor and the entire propulsion system are supplied by Siemens...

https://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/aer...

when aircraft powered by something other than an internal combustion engine is a common everyday experience, that is an indication IMHO when most people will realize there are serious downside consequences to burning fossil fuels

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/the-im...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 9, 2018 - 11:07am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
im in the market for an electric bike.

What model did you get? And how much?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 9, 2018 - 11:22am.

Ribbles wrote:
Ugh, it will be a sad day when most internal combustion engines are gone. No more lopey cams or angry flat sixes or spastic vtec. They will never disappear entirely - too many passionate people clinging to them. They are alive in a way that electric motors are not, and that is a very good thing, even if electric is superior in every practical sense.

I don't understand the emotional attachment to cars. And the kind of money people spend on cars, relative to their incomes. Totally irrational to me.

To me, if we find something better, it's time to get rid of the old and move on.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 9, 2018 - 11:22am.

piaster wrote:

financial collapse can be dealt with???

As I see things its one of the dominos (yet to fall)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg

I believe an engineer would say yes. Money has nothing to do with the physical world. It's just human construct to assign brownie points. A genius engineer could come up with some better way.

Submitted by Myriad on June 9, 2018 - 2:57pm.

Isn't humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?

Submitted by moneymaker on June 10, 2018 - 9:17pm.

Global warming is bad for humans but great for plants.

Submitted by Ribbles on June 11, 2018 - 8:35am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I don't understand the emotional attachment to cars.
People get attached to cars for the same reasons they're passionate about anything - art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it's easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology. It's usually something you acquire early in life, in the same way as people who are really into music. I remember as a kid thinking they were all just transportation appliances, and wondering how people could even tell them apart and know the different model names. My trigger was my sister's MG - 35 years later I still remember the smell. Then one day I saw a black 930 slant nose wide body in a parking lot, and it was the toughest, most intimidating looking car I had ever seen. That's when I really understood the personality thing. And I hadn't even heard that glorious motor yet.

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And the kind of money people spend on cars, relative to their incomes. Totally irrational to me.
Well, certainly - there's a point where you cross from enthusiast to stupid. But if you don't have a lot of responsibility and would rather have an $800 car payment than invest it, then I say live it up. As long as you understand the consequences.

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To me, if we find something better, it's time to get rid of the old and move on.
Is a Kindle better than a book? More efficient, sure. But a better reading experience? Not by a long shot, in my opinion.

Submitted by svelte on June 11, 2018 - 4:35pm.

Ribbles wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
I don't understand the emotional attachment to cars.
People get attached to cars for the same reasons they're passionate about anything - art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it's easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology. It's usually something you acquire early in life, in the same way as people who are really into music. I remember as a kid thinking they were all just transportation appliances, and wondering how people could even tell them apart and know the different model names. My trigger was my sister's MG - 35 years later I still remember the smell. Then one day I saw a black 930 slant nose wide body in a parking lot, and it was the toughest, most intimidating looking car I had ever seen.

Cars are a combination of beautiful art and beautiful engineering. It appeals to four of our five senses: sight, sound, smell, touch.

To me, it's like fine art that I can enjoy in three dimensions while taking me on any adventure I can dream up...what more could I ask for?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 12, 2018 - 12:04pm.

yeah, I get the love of cars.... people can own internal combustion cars if they want. But they should not try to impede progress and block public transport, autonomous, etc...

I think the anti public transport attitude is retarding economic progress. We, Americans, are smart and innovative. We should own high speed rail tech, not the Chinese. I feel like we simply gave up a huge industry. It's going to be many times larger then Boeing and employ engineers who will give rise to all kinds of new tech. Too bad it won't be our engineers.

It's not just climate change, but economic development.

Submitted by phaster on June 18, 2018 - 6:26pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:

phaster wrote:

financial collapse can be dealt with???

As I see things its one of the dominos (yet to fall)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg


I believe an engineer would say yes. Money has nothing to do with the physical world. It's just human construct to assign brownie points. A genius engineer could come up with some better way.

sure a genius engineer could come up w/ design to ameliorate various down side effects of climate change BUT if the physical world did not have a working money system, then the genius engineer would not have time to build devices to ameliorate various down side effects of climate change because too much time would be spent trying to gather food to eat, etc.

in other words w/ out a money system that every one agrees to (in a physical world), the genius engineer would have to grow food for their own personal consumption,...

consider the fact that crops need water to grow,... so does water just magically show up?

next consider in a world w/out money there is no way to pay police to protect personal property (specifically what i'm thinking of here is farm land on which crops and livestock is raised),... ever hear the of the expression Money makes the world go round?

we take it for granted that money makes it easy to trade various forms of energy that individuals need to thrive, (i.e. money is a means to substitute for basic skills people need to survive) said another way just imagine how long you would survive if you had to grow your own food, find a source for water, take care of your own healthcare, protect your land, etc.

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Money makes the world go round Liza Minnelli

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIAXG_QcQNU

as to the question,...

Myriad wrote:

Isn't humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?

yup I'd agree the ultimate bottom line problem is far too many people in leadship positions (as well as their enablers/followers) are dishonest and dumb,... AND don't take into account the downside risk(s) of fiscal mismanagement

https://www.piggington.com/another_reaso...

https://www.piggington.com/why_are_state...

Submitted by phaster on June 18, 2018 - 7:02pm.

svelte wrote:

Ribbles wrote:

FlyerInHi wrote:
I don't understand the emotional attachment to cars.

People get attached to cars for the same reasons they're passionate about anything - art, nature, cooking. And probably a little anthropomorphism. There is so much variety in cars that it's easy to think of them as having personalities, and more so with internal combustion because of similarities to biology....

Cars are a combination of beautiful art and beautiful engineering. It appeals to four of our five senses: sight, sound, smell, touch.

as I see things vehicle transportation can be made into art (i.e. self expression), which ranges from prim and proper "old school"

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Morgan Aero Coupe: Street Theatre - XCAR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR6lwpfte9Q

to irreverently

given trends toward electric motor(s) being used to power transportation vehicles, personally really like this take on an "old school" racer

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Woww! Infiniti Prototype 9 is a wonderfully beautiful EV grand prix car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Ss1LWNpQU

https://www.infinitiusa.com/about/news-e...

also really like this F-CELL Roadster

Quote:

Mercedes F-CELL Roadster: Hydrogen-Powered Buggy Concept

The Mercedes-Benz F-CELL Roadster pays homage to the very first car ever built, the Benz Patent Motor Car, but adds joystick control, a fiberglass body and hydrogen-electric fuel-cell power.

https://jalopnik.com/5183567/mercedes-f-...

The Making of the Mercedes F-CELL Roadster Concept

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujr305WcClI

Submitted by phaster on June 19, 2018 - 8:28am.

moneymaker wrote:
Global warming is bad for humans but great for plants.

just finished my ice coffee when I heard this news story,...

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As Carbon Dioxide Levels Rise, Major Crops Are Losing Nutrients
June 19, 2018

...On a recent afternoon, Lewis Ziska, who's a plant physiologist with the U.S. Department of Agriculture, demonstrates an experiment there with a crop important to many of us — coffee.

The chamber is really bright to mimic the sun. A few neat rows of green coffee plants are growing. The air that they're absorbing has about the same amount of CO2 as in the pre-industrial age, about 250 years ago.

Across the hall, we can see a possible glimpse of the plant's future. Here, there's a chamber with plants growing at CO2 levels projected for the end of this century.

...Scientists have noticed that in many kind of plants, higher CO2 produces bigger crops. That sounds like a good thing.

But there's a problem. Bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. And while they're still testing what this means for coffee's quality, scientists have seen that other crops have lost some of their nutritional value under higher CO2 conditions.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/201...

FWIW damage to the eco system extends to other parts of the food chain,...

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The great nutrient collapse
The atmosphere is literally changing the food we eat, for the worse. And almost nobody is paying attention.

...Goldenrod, a wildflower many consider a weed, is extremely important to bees. It flowers late in the season, and its pollen provides an important source of protein for bees as they head into the harshness of winter. Since goldenrod is wild and humans haven’t bred it into new strains, it hasn’t changed over time as much as, say, corn or wheat. And the Smithsonian Institution also happens to have hundreds of samples of goldenrod, dating back to 1842, in its massive historical archive—which gave Ziska and his colleagues a chance to figure out how one plant has changed over time.

They found that the protein content of goldenrod pollen has declined by a third since the industrial revolution—and the change closely tracks with the rise in CO2. Scientists have been trying to figure out why bee populations around the world have been in decline, which threatens many crops that rely on bees for pollination. Ziska’s paper suggested that a decline in protein prior to winter could be an additional factor making it hard for bees to survive other stressors.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/20...

https://www.piggington.com/ot_should_pri...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 19, 2018 - 9:17am.

Plaster, I meant to say that money has physically nothing to do with food production or building things. Money is the "incentive". Can we not come up with a different incentive to do things? On the starship enterprise, there is no money. The reward is is the holo deck, a marvel of engineering.

The environment, however, once destroyed, is very hard if not impossible to fix.

Submitted by phaster on June 24, 2018 - 12:18pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:

I meant to say that money has physically nothing to do with food production or building things. Money is the "incentive". Can we not come up with a different incentive to do things? On the starship enterprise, there is no money. The reward is is the holo deck, a marvel of engineering.

agree,... Money is the "incentive" where "money" has the following three characteristics

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• MEDIUM OF EXCHANGE, something that people can use to buy and sell from one another;

• STORE OF VALUE, which means people can save it and use it later; and,...

• UNIT OF ACCOUNT, provide a common base for prices

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fand...

we also know the starship enterprise along w/ the holo deck is escapist "fiction" from reality!

so personally don't think we can come up w/ a better incentive than money (@ this point in time) because the concept of money can't be improved upon,... rather what needs to be improved upon is the DISHONEST and DUMB weak link(s) which are creating problem(s) in the first place!

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Myriad wrote:

Isn't humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?

yup I'd agree the ultimate bottom line problem is far too many people in leadship positions (as well as their enablers/followers) are dishonest and dumb,... AND don't take into account the downside risk(s) of fiscal mismanagement

https://www.piggington.com/another_reaso...

https://www.piggington.com/why_are_state...

as for,...

FlyerInHi wrote:

The environment, however, once destroyed, is very hard if not impossible to fix.

there are technologically possible mitigation(s),... BUT the impediments to implementing various mitigation(s) are human weak links that feel comfortable believing the "fiction" that the status quo is sustainable

since this forum is part of a website about RE investing, bottom line is,... its a question akin to "EVOLVE OR DIE" investing,... which is why some market players excel while most don't beat the market averages (OR lose it all)

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This guy lost $10,000 trying to time this volatile market — using his credit card

The Vancouver-based user, a financial analyst at a Canadian pharmacy who earns $50,000 a year, said he lost his entire savings ($10,000) trying to buy the dip, and he wrote in his thread about using his credit card to trade CFDs (contract for differences), which are investments that mirror assets the trader doesn’t actually own. He initially funded his trading account with $4,000, but when he got margin called a few times (which means the broker demanded he put more money in to meet minimum requirements), he ended up investing $10,000.

“When I realized what was going on, it was already too late,” he said. “My broker closed my position and I ended up losing all of it.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-g...

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What Makes a Great Trader? An Interview with Jack Schwager

...So self-knowledge, having an edge, risk management, and discipline are the qualities that set these traders apart?

Flexibility is another trait that separates great traders from just about everybody else. They’re able to change on a dime. They could be wildly bullish one minute, and if something happens to change their mind, they’re able to be wildly bearish the next. That flexibility to be able to change your mind and not hope that your position is right is an essential ingredient.

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/...

sadly the "EVOLVE OR DIE" investing metaphor I refer to is a vary real possibility, given various reports,...

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Will Humans Survive the Sixth Great Extinction?

In the last half-billion years, life on Earth has been nearly wiped out five times—by such things as climate change, an intense ice age, volcanoes, and that space rock that smashed into the Gulf of Mexico 65 million years ago, obliterating the dinosaurs and a bunch of other species. These events are known as the Big Five mass extinctions, and all signs suggest we are now on the precipice of a sixth.

Except this time, we have no one but ourselves to blame. According to a study published last week in Science Advances, the current extinction rate could be more than 100 times higher than normal—and that’s only taking into account the kinds of animals we know the most about,...

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015...

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Scripps Study (There’s A Chance Climate Change Can Wipe Out Humans By 2050)

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2017/sep/15/scr...

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news...

FYI I was a big fan of Star Trek, so recall an episode/scene you might interesting

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Addiction and socialization are jeopardized by excessive game play on the Holodeck in Star Trek TNG

Lt. Barclay's social awkwardness is revealed to originate in his spending too much time in the holodeck, running simulations that involve Enterprise crew members. The theme of addiction and video games is taken up in numerous episodes of Star Trek since the cultural assimilation of games into everyday life that occurred during the 1990s. This clip suggests a useful comparison with the later episode from Deep Space 9 in which a boy's "addiction" to the holodeck is considered a potentially therapeutic coping mechanism for dealing with trauma.

http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/c...

PS some real news about something akin to holodeck addiction,...

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Videogame addiction is now an official disorder—but will health insurers pay for it?

An addiction to videogames can cost some people their livelihoods. Breaking that addiction is costly, too.

But that could change now that the World Health Organization (WHO) this week added “gaming disorder” to its International Classification of Diseases.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/videog...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 24, 2018 - 12:39pm.

Phaster, humans are creatures of addiction.
I think I have smart phone addiction. A lot of interesting stuff to read. I just read a Foreign Policy magazine article on trade war with China.

I think a worse addiction is sports addiction. Like watching on TV and screaming.
Marijuana addiction and food addiction, I’m thankful I don’t have.

Submitted by phaster on July 8, 2018 - 1:56pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Phaster, humans are creatures of addiction.
I think I have smart phone addiction. A lot of interesting stuff to read. I just read a Foreign Policy magazine article on trade war with China.

I think a worse addiction is sports addiction. Like watching on TV and screaming.
Marijuana addiction and food addiction, I’m thankful I don’t have.

sports addiction is somewhat beneficial (in a peaceful world) because its a substitute for mankind's tendency toward violence and warfare,...

the biggest problems (in a peaceful world) come from addiction to wealth and power because it has the possibility to escalate human nature toward violent conflict

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Addiction to Wealth and Power

As strange as it may sound, an obsessive drive for power and wealth can be just as harmful as an addiction to drugs or alcohol. For some self-made millionaires and billionaires and other highly successful people, each new “win” is accompanied by a rush of euphoria not unlike the intoxication that comes with drug use. Although they enjoy the trappings of wealth - fancy cars, big houses, parties and vacations, it’s actually the challenge involved in sealing yet another successful deal that provides the unmistakable drug-like “high.”

...An obsession to wealth and power can cause a person to become increasingly involved with making money or gaining status. Everything else becomes secondary, including family, friends and health. In time, a person’s entire identity is wrapped up in making money or achieving more "wins". People are judged not on their merits, but by achievement, power or the size of their financial holding.

People who are addicted to wealth and power tend to feel most powerful when they are dominating other people, with little patience for anything that stands in the way of the upward trajectory. They are often extremely competitive and have an overarching need to be right.

https://www.paracelsus-recovery.com/en/b...

Quote:

Study: Your Brain Thinks Money Is A Drug

If you've ever thought of money as a drug, you may be more right than you know. New research shows that counting money — just handling the bills — can make things less painful.

https://www.npr.org/2009/08/07/111579154...

huh,... just thinking out loud but this sounds kinda familiar, a TV celebrity w/ an addiction?! can't quite my finger on it,... anyway moving on,...

Quote:

Idiocracy

As the 21st century began, human evolution was at a turning point. Natural selection, the process by which the strongest, the smartest, the fastest, reproduced in greater numbers than the rest, a process which had once favored the noblest traits of man, now began to favor different traits. Most science fiction of the day predicted a future that was more civilized and more intelligent. But as time went on, things seemed to be heading in the opposite direction. A dumbing down. How did this happen? Evolution does not necessarily reward intelligence. With no natural predators to thin the herd, it began to simply reward those who reproduced the most, and left the intelligent to become an endangered species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZ0ZUy7P3E

Idiocracy Corollary: a reversion to the mean will eventually happen via a darwin flush event

Submitted by gzz on July 11, 2018 - 12:27pm.

Phaster, seems to me that planes will be one of the very last things to stop using hydrocarbons and go electric.

The all-electric Leaf has 600lbs of batteries and goes about 150 miles. A small car like that would need only about 40lbs of gas to go that far.

If anything, if we completely ran out of oil, I bet we'd run planes on ethanol or coal-to-liquid-fuel while cars would quickly shift to mostly electric.

Submitted by phaster on August 4, 2018 - 9:06am.

gzz wrote:
Phaster, seems to me that planes will be one of the very last things to stop using hydrocarbons and go electric.

The all-electric Leaf has 600lbs of batteries and goes about 150 miles. A small car like that would need only about 40lbs of gas to go that far.

If anything, if we completely ran out of oil, I bet we'd run planes on ethanol or coal-to-liquid-fuel while cars would quickly shift to mostly electric.

airplanes fly when "lift" and "thrust" > "weight" and "drag"

and as you pointed out liquid fossil fuels are much more energy dense than "batteries" but w/ advances in material science (i.e. lighter aircraft structures), advances in aerodynamics (i.e. creating aircraft w/ less "drag" AND creating power plants that produce more "thrust" but use less energy), etc., its pretty obvious at some point in the future, "electric" power is going to be used in aircraft propulsion

Quote:

NASA asked a Boeing-led team to explore the possibilities of a hybrid electric aircraft. Marty Bradley, Boeing Research and Technology, explains how the SUGAR Volt concept is defining the future of flight (2:24)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/videos/ca...

Quote:

Zunum Aero’s Hybrid Electric Airplane Aims To Rejuvenate Regional Travel

In the century that’s elapsed since the dawn of commercial aviation, air transportation has become pretty well refined. Yet paradoxically, it’s easier to fly halfway around the world than to travel to a nearby city. As a result, many people shun air travel when taking short trips.

...In the globalized economy, communities without good air service struggle to attract investment and create jobs.

To undo the damage, we and others are looking to hybrid-electric aircraft propulsion, a system made possible by the convergence of technological trends in battery development, high-power motors, and power electronics.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/avia...

FWIW my reading of the tea leaves is ordinary people are going to wake up to the fact that climate change is a vary real phenomenon and start demanding transportation products (like aircraft fleets) that use energy as efficiently as possible because daily weather reports (like from just this past week) is going to make it pretty obvious that something is up,...

Quote:

'New World Record': Imperial, California Felt Rain at 119°F

Southern California is not only sweltering under extreme heat, the city of Imperial actually witnessed rainfall when it was a scorching 119 degrees Fahrenheit outside on July 24, weather experts observed.

The bizarre event set "a new world record for the hottest temperature ever measured while rain was falling," Dr. Jeff Masters, meteorologist and co-founder of Weather Underground, wrote in blog post.

It's pretty rare for rainfall to occur above 100 degrees Fahrenheit, Masters noted, but NOAA weather records show that at 3:53 p.m. local time, light rain started to fall and continued for four hours straight.

...So what does rain on scorching hot day feel like? After ringing up a few city offices and businesses, one Imperial resident told Masters that the rain "made it difficult to breathe" and it felt hard on their heart.

https://www.ecowatch.com/heatwave-in-cal...

Quote:

Ocean temperature hits 80 at Solana Beach — and heat wave could drive it higher

San Diego County coastal waters continued their extraordinary warming on Friday, reaching 80 degrees at Solana Beach.

And for the second time this week the ocean temperature reached an all-time high at Scripps Pier in La Jolla, hitting 78.8 degrees on Friday. That’s the highest reading in the pier’s 102-year history.

And conditions aren’t likely to change soon.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/weat...

Submitted by phaster on September 3, 2018 - 5:30pm.

FWIW

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We asked 11 climate scientists where they'd live in the US to avoid future natural disasters — here’s what they said

2017 was a record year for natural disasters in the US, with 16 severe weather events causing at least $306 billion in damages. While 2018 portends to be less destructive, it has already seen its fair share of catastrophe: As of July 9, six storms have each generated at least $1 billion in losses.

To figure out what areas are least vulnerable to natural disaster in the future, we asked 11 climatologists where they would consider living to avoid climate change. All were quick to note that no area is entirely safe, but a few cities could be less vulnerable than most.

Scientists are still working to define the relationship between climate change and natural disasters. In the last ten to 15 years, they have found evidence of the mounting influence of climate change on major events like heat waves, droughts, and heavy rains.

In fact, climate change may already be impacting where Americans choose to move. A recent study found that American homes that are vulnerable to rising sea levels sell for around 7% less than similar unexposed properties — even though the damage could be decades away.

The following cities were recommended by climatologists as some of the least vulnerable to disaster.

...San Diego, California.

San Diego may be exposed to rising sea levels, but its coastal location gives it a host of advantages. According to research from Sarah Kapnick, a climate scientist at Princeton University, San Diego may have the most ideal weather of any US city.

After studying the number of "mild weather" days — those suited for outdoor activities, with low precipitation, low humidity, and temperatures between 64 and 86 degrees Fahrenheit — Kapnick found that US summers are becoming hotter and more humid. By the end of the century, she discovered, cities in West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, and New Mexico could lose weeks of mild weather due to climate change.

This wasn't the case in San Diego, which currently boasts 180 days of mild weather per year compared to 157 in Los Angeles, 83 in New York, and just 76 in Boston. In the future, the city could see even more pristine weather conditions.

Kapnick's study predicts that San Diego will gain three mild days per year by the end of the century. Perhaps the main concern for San Diego is a loss of precipitation, which can contribute to wildfires. That's a major worry, but one that nearly all California cities will have to face.

https://www.businessinsider.com/where-to...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 11, 2018 - 4:45pm.

Hurricane Florence is coming. Are people still thinking global warming is a hoax?

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 11, 2018 - 5:00pm.

NC gets hit with a major hurricane about every 20 years

Hazel - Category 4 hurricane hit NC in 1954

Not saying GW is a hoax, but maybe everything is being hyped way too much.

(and politicized way too much).

Submitted by phaster on September 20, 2018 - 7:05am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Hurricane Florence is coming. Are people still thinking global warming is a hoax?

The-Shoveler wrote:

Not saying GW is a hoax, but maybe everything is being hyped way too much.

(and politicized way too much).

opinions on climate change (like public pensions), are all too often based on human bias and self interest

https://www.piggington.com/ot_public_emp...

and pointing out an evidence/logic based thesis that explains the phenomena is dismissed because it is human nature to reject any suggestion that our world view in reality, might not have any basis in fact,... or said another way

WRT climate change, we see even after the storm

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'It's hyped up': climate change skeptics in the path of Hurricane Florence

Scientists warn that human-induced climate change is responsible for an increase in the number and severity of storms – such as Hurricane Florence, which has engulfed the Carolinas in the last week.

But many who weathered the tempest, deep in Trump country, don’t believe global warming fueled it and don’t think humans are the problem – or the solution..

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/s...

what the typical person on the street misses about climate change is considering the much larger picture of how complex systems interact (pretty difficult to do unless one has a background in something like physics, where pondering big ideas like how was the universe created, is sort of the norm)

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Note that another key element in attribution studies is the consideration of the physical consistency of multiple lines of evidence. Both detection and attribution require knowledge of the internal climate variability on the time scales considered, usually decades or longer..

https://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_dat...

Submitted by sdduuuude on September 25, 2018 - 11:00am.

If anything is true over the last billion years, it is that the weather has changed.

And that we can't really control it - unless you control 7 billion people, which isn't going to happen.

Humanity's ability to adapt is remarkable.

If the weather changes, people will deal with it through innovation, new products, stuff being sold and used in areas different than they are used today. It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.

A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don't need saving from.

Submitted by phaster on October 2, 2018 - 7:40am.

sdduuuude wrote:

If anything is true over the last billion years, it is that the weather has changed.

And that we can't really control it - unless you control 7 billion people, which isn't going to happen.

Humanity's ability to adapt is remarkable.

Agree weather patterns have changed over the last billion or so years, AND sadly agree that its impossible to control the actions of ever increasing populations (which produces ever increasing amounts of CO2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL7Ih...

https://www.slideshare.net/sercuser/stil...

FWIW IMHO the more appropriate observation is,... humanity's ability to screw things up is pretty remarkable (which sorta was mentioned in this thread)

Myriad wrote:

Isn't humans the biggest crisis facing humanity?

People for the most part are not rational,... all too often "we" formulate personal views and intuition on a topic based upon beliefs of our peer group AND short term interests

So when faced with a complex issue like climate change what happens is a case of fractal mismanagement (just like the local public pension portfolio) and unless something really noticeable happens,... people just continue blindly on (i.e. business as usual)

https://www.piggington.com/ot_public_emp...

...in other words the pattern of local idiocracy (which is comforting and non-threatening) is repeated at all levels of government and organized society,... AND given there are chaotic links between the environment and the economy, have to conclude a Darwinian flush of biblical proportions is inevitable

To illustrate the point I'm trying to make, let's skim over various news reports about various studies that point to a troublesome future

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Research forecasts US among top nations to suffer economic damage from climate change

For the first time, researchers have developed a data set quantifying what the social cost of carbon -- the measure of the economic harm from carbon dioxide emissions -- will be for the globe's nearly 200 countries. Although much previous research has focused on how rich countries benefit from the fossil fuel economy, while damages accrue primarily to the developing world, the top three counties with the most to lose from climate change are the United States, India and Saudi Arabia

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...

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Climate Change May Deeply Wound Long-Term U.S. Growth, Richmond Fed Paper Finds

...Projected increases in average U.S. temperatures “could reduce U.S. economic growth by up to one-third over the next century,” wrote the authors, Riccardo Colacito of the University of North Carolina, Bridget Hoffmann of the Inter-American Development Bank and Toan Phan of the Richmond Fed.

https://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2018/05/...

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BoE finds banks unprepared for climate change risks

...The Bank of England is preparing new guidelines for how banks and insurers should manage climate change after it conducted a probe that found only 10 per cent of banks take a long-term view of such risks.

...one problem was banks’ planning horizons were too short to incorporate climate risks — the banks surveyed had four-year planning horizons on average.

https://www.ft.com/content/ce1d8ece-c19c...

Those who feel threatened and unprepared to deal w/ the dark future implications for the economy and the global environment, will dismiss these news-reports of studies as various crack pots presenting alternative facts

On the other hand, those that take the time to study a problem and understand what is happening, are going to be better prepared to survive

Said another way, this is akin to an investor that develops a hedge strategy in anticipation of a market correction, OR given the joke about two campers in the wilderness who encounter a mean bear,... where the punch line is the survivor is the one one in better physical condition and is able to run faster than the other guy

OR perhaps people are mostly nihilist?!

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Taibbi: Why Aren’t We Talking More About Trump’s Nihilism?

The White House now says we might as well pollute because global catastrophe is inevitable

While America was consumed with the Brett Kavanaugh drama last week, the Washington Post unearthed a crazy tidbit in the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s (NHTSA) latest environmental impact statement.

The study predicts a rise in global temperatures of about four degrees Celsius, or seven degrees Fahrenheit, by the year 2100. Worse, it asserts global warming is such an inevitable reality, there’s no point in reducing auto emissions, as we’re screwed anyway.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/po...

Submitted by zk on October 3, 2018 - 9:37am.

sdduuuude wrote:

And that we can't really control it - unless you control 7 billion people, which isn't going to happen.


You don’t have to control 7 billion people. You have to work with the leaders of those people.

sdduuuude wrote:

Humanity's ability to adapt is remarkable.


That it is! But that doesn’t mean we should just let everything go to hell just because we know that humans will adapt allowing some humans to survive the catastrophe.
sdduuuude wrote:

If the weather changes, people will deal with it through innovation, new products, stuff being sold and used in areas different than they are used today.


Yeah, humans will deal with it and most will survive. But we might have to relocate a few large cities. And maybe we’ll have to endure some famine here and there. If the climate changes such that the crops we need to feed the world can’t be grown as abundantly as they’re grown now, it isn’t at all inevitable that we’ll be able to figure out some technological marvel that will fix that.

sdduuuude wrote:

It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.

I’d say that’s 180 degrees off. This is a great example of change that can only be solved by government leaders cooperating on an unprecedented scale. Is that achievable? I don’t know. But to say that we should just not even try because it’s impossible (or to trust that we’ll adapt) seems unfair to our grandchildren.

sdduuuude wrote:

A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don't need saving from.

Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 3, 2018 - 11:13am.

zk wrote:

sdduuuude wrote:

It is a great example of a change that can be solved by markets and only markets.

I’d say that’s 180 degrees off. This is a great example of change that can only be solved by government leaders cooperating on an unprecedented scale. Is that achievable? I don’t know. But to say that we should just not even try because it’s impossible (or to trust that we’ll adapt) seems unfair to our grandchildren.

sdduuuude wrote:

A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don't need saving from.

Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.

I have a good laugh whenever people say only the markets can solve human problems. Like the US Corps of Engineers didn't tame rhe Mississippi or build Hoover dam.

Talking about the markets, green tech is a huge money making opportunity. We'll just let China's government lead so Chinese companies own the future. But no worries, no need to plan because only the markets work.

Submitted by phaster on October 6, 2018 - 8:51am.

sdduuuude wrote:

A complete yawner to me. Government getting involved to save people from something they don't need saving from.

zk wrote:

Humans are indeed adaptable. But I think you either underestimate the danger of climate change or you overestimate our ability to adapt to the extent that massive hardship will not come to future generations.

yup,... too much overconfidence, too little risk analysis,...

Quote:

Watching others makes people overconfident in their own abilities

"The more that people watched others, the more they felt they could perform the same skill, too -- even when their abilities hadn't actually changed for the better," says study author Michael Kardas of The University of Chicago Booth School of Business. "Our findings suggest that merely watching others could cause people to attempt skills that they might not be ready or able to perform themselves."

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20...

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Overconfidence Is a Problem. Here's How You're Unknowingly Suffering From It

...Acknowledging the issue of overconfidence is the first step to battling it. Recognizing that we might not know that much after all can help us get a better perspective on our situation and what steps to take in the future.

Confidence is like a balance. Too much of it, and you risk making poor decisions that have unwanted consequences. Too little, and you never risk anything at all.

https://www.inc.com/melissa-chu/why-we-f...

Quote:

Brain Games- Overconfidence Effect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZmedqB4P1s

seems this is another fractal pattern that starts on the individual level and is repeated on the large scale w/ politicians, bureaucracies and corporations in various sectors like banking/finance, fossil fuel industry, etc.

Submitted by phaster on December 8, 2018 - 9:48am.

given the

the POTUS "tweet"

Trump wrote:

….in the world. I want clean air and clean water and have been making great strides in improving America’s environment. But American taxpayers – and American workers – shouldn’t pay to clean up others countries’ pollution.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 4, 2018

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/12/trumps...

and his administrations denial,...

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There Aren't Two Sides to Science, That's Just Your Coal Money Talking

Kelly Craft is the first woman to serve as U.S. ambassador to Canada. That's great! Unfortunately, the Kentuckian's primary qualification seems to be that she was a Republican fundraiser. In surely unrelated news, her husband, Joe Craft, is a billionaire coal-mining magnate.

..."I think that both sides have their own results, from their studies, and I appreciate and I respect both sides of the science."

...The fourth and latest National Climate Assessment put together by 300 scientists from 13 agencies of the U.S. government and released last month found that climate change is real, man-made, and will cost the U.S. 10 percent of its economy by 2100. Midwestern farmers will lose 75 percent of their crop yields, and trillions of dollars in coastal real estate will be at risk. The wildfires out west, already unprecedented in their destruction, will get worse...

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a2...

what comes to mind is people like instant gratification, dislike thinking about long term threats AND the human nature tendency to blame others,... so even in the best of times climate change is a difficult topic which is politically polarizing

adding to the challenge is the finance system which has been mismanaged for decades,... so odds are the economy crashing just about the time society needs to build various large scale infrastructure projects to survive global warming

www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning

so related to the climate change poll question,... how many of you are disaster prepping?

https://www.piggington.com/how_many_of_y...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 10, 2018 - 11:16am.

Disaster prepping? I don’t think an individual can do much. Just have the means to move away if disaster strikes your area.