Would you drive a car that has been recalled for the Takata airbag?

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Submitted by Coronita on April 13, 2016 - 8:04am

So chances are that there are several of you that has a car with a recalled Takata airbag for which no replacement part is available yet and probably won't be for some time. Are you still driving your car?

Submitted by Coronita on April 13, 2016 - 8:09am.

FWIW... BMW of North America has issued a stop sales of all CPO and used BMWs affected by the airbag recall to all dealerships. So unless the airbag has been replaced, no BMW dealer is allowed to sell any preowned BMW that has been affected by the recall.

I believe CarMax also has done the same.

There's estimated 800k BMWs affected by this recall and it seems like parts will only start to be available in limited quantities in August of this year, with preference given to regions in hot and humid climates and to older vehicles

Submitted by spdrun on April 13, 2016 - 8:44am.

There's an option to disconnect the fucking thing and install a 5-point. Who needs explosives in their face anyway?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 13, 2016 - 10:46am.

My neighbor for a free rental car until the parts are available

Submitted by svelte on April 13, 2016 - 5:56pm.

FoMoCo sent us a notice the other day that basically said screw it, we're tired of waiting for Takata to issue a replacement part for you, we'll give you one ourselves. Come in anytime.

I give Ford a lot of credit for this. It's the right thing to do.

And no I haven't scheduled an appointment yet so I guess yeah I would drive a car with a Takata airbag that's been recalled.

I bet many of you out there are doing just that, whether you know it or not.

Submitted by Coronita on April 14, 2016 - 2:58am.

spdrun wrote:
There's an option to disconnect the fucking thing and install a 5-point. Who needs explosives in their face anyway?

Have you even bothered to think about what you say?

Aside from a 5 point being impractical for daily driver use.

Using a 5 point harness in a daily driver without a racing seat isn't "safer" since they really only work effectively with racing seats. And using a 5point and racing seat without wearing a neck restraint like a HANS restraint is great way keep your torso strapped in while letting your head bobble around and snapping your neck should happen to be involved in a frontal crash that was serious enough to deploy the airbag.

Not to mention 5 points aren't DOT approved, which means if you ever get pulled over, you will get ticketed or worse.

Submitted by spdrun on April 14, 2016 - 7:51am.

Fine, so one could just just disconnect the explosive, and rely on the 3-point belt till the parts come in to fix the dashbombs.

Cars came unequipped with explosives for years, and people survived accidents. The only reason airbags were originally required in the US was to protect retards who didn't wear their belts.

Submitted by moneymaker on April 14, 2016 - 12:33pm.

Yes I would. Been driving a VW with airbag light on for some time now.

Submitted by 5yearwaiter on April 14, 2016 - 2:57pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
My neighbor for a free rental car until the parts are available

WOW - Can we get free rental car as an excuse? How this free rental car for your Neighbor?. I sure need to go for this if I get more details on this?

Submitted by Coronita on April 15, 2016 - 12:27am.

Ok... So I discussed this issue with a few friends, and went ahead and called a few stealers and some subcontracted car rental places and BMW of North America.

My first go around resulted in the following information:

1. BMW is offering to give people affected by this recall a rental car for up to $55/day, rented on a per month basis. You have visit a dealer, and sign a bunch of paperwork, and agree that you will not drive your affected car until after it has been repaired.

2. There is no concrete ETA on when the airbag modules will be available, but some of the dealerships are saying that for us (California), it will most likely be 2017, since priority will be given to people in humid climates.

3. No injury/death has occurred in any BMW's (yet) as a result of this problem. Keyword is yet.

4. There currently is a stop sales on all preowned BMWs affected by this recall. Dealerships are not allowed to sell any preowned BMW with this issue.

#4 has interesting implications for folks planning to do a trade in...

Apparently, Honda and Toyota have a similar thing going on, because the fleet rental agency I called in Carlsbad referred me to the fleet office in Encinitas and Clairemont, because they said the Carlsbad one deals more of the rentals from toyota and honda customers.

So if you are affected by this recall, you have to ask/insist before they give it to you.

Hmm. A free rental until 2017. No maintenance, no repairs on wear and tear items on the rental, unlimited mileage... and if you own multiple cars, you can temporarily stop your insurance on the recalled car that you won't be driving. (Your insurance policy probably says for a car rental, any policy on any car would cover the rental, like mine does..)....When I have time, I'm going to be calling BMW NA to ask to see if they'll offer a direct reimbursement to me and/or to see if there's any comps from #4 as a result of accelerated depreciation...not that I was going to ever trade my car in.

Submitted by 5yearwaiter on April 15, 2016 - 4:40pm.

flu wrote:
Ok... So I discussed this issue with a few friends, and went ahead and called a few stealers and some subcontracted car rental places and BMW of North America.

My first go around resulted in the following information:

1. BMW is offering to give people affected by this recall a rental car for up to $55/day, rented on a per month basis. You have visit a dealer, and sign a bunch of paperwork, and agree that you will not drive your affected car until after it has been repaired.

2. There is no concrete ETA on when the airbag modules will be available, but some of the dealerships are saying that for us (California), it will most likely be 2017, since priority will be given to people in humid climates.

3. No injury/death has occurred in any BMW's (yet) as a result of this problem. Keyword is yet.

4. There currently is a stop sales on all preowned BMWs affected by this recall. Dealerships are not allowed to sell any preowned BMW with this issue.

#4 has interesting implications for folks planning to do a trade in...

Apparently, Honda and Toyota have a similar thing going on, because the fleet rental agency I called in Carlsbad referred me to the fleet office in Encinitas and Clairemont, because they said the Carlsbad one deals more of the rentals from toyota and honda customers.

So if you are affected by this recall, you have to ask/insist before they give it to you.

Hmm. A free rental until 2017. No maintenance, no repairs on wear and tear items on the rental, unlimited mileage... and if you own multiple cars, you can temporarily stop your insurance on the recalled car that you won't be driving. (Your insurance policy probably says for a car rental, any policy on any car would cover the rental, like mine does..)....When I have time, I'm going to be calling BMW NA to ask to see if they'll offer a direct reimbursement to me and/or to see if there's any comps from #4 as a result of accelerated depreciation...not that I was going to ever trade my car in.

More update on this : I called BMW Encinitas and they de brief that this is only precautionary but not much of anything danger. Upon asking the other alternative if I am not feeling comfortable to drive my car until the airbag removed, and I openly asked what alternative we can get, then very inconveniently brought up the point they can give $48 max and that is also from Enterprise Rental car. I am not really understand why this kind of bind over with particular rental company? Why not even they allow us to rent some good cars with the same amount of money they are ready to give and sure we do get few better cars from others with the same money.
I am not sure whom we can reach out to finalize this issue.

Submitted by Coronita on April 15, 2016 - 4:52pm.

5yearwaiter wrote:
flu wrote:
Ok... So I discussed this issue with a few friends, and went ahead and called a few stealers and some subcontracted car rental places and BMW of North America.

My first go around resulted in the following information:

1. BMW is offering to give people affected by this recall a rental car for up to $55/day, rented on a per month basis. You have visit a dealer, and sign a bunch of paperwork, and agree that you will not drive your affected car until after it has been repaired.

2. There is no concrete ETA on when the airbag modules will be available, but some of the dealerships are saying that for us (California), it will most likely be 2017, since priority will be given to people in humid climates.

3. No injury/death has occurred in any BMW's (yet) as a result of this problem. Keyword is yet.

4. There currently is a stop sales on all preowned BMWs affected by this recall. Dealerships are not allowed to sell any preowned BMW with this issue.

#4 has interesting implications for folks planning to do a trade in...

Apparently, Honda and Toyota have a similar thing going on, because the fleet rental agency I called in Carlsbad referred me to the fleet office in Encinitas and Clairemont, because they said the Carlsbad one deals more of the rentals from toyota and honda customers.

So if you are affected by this recall, you have to ask/insist before they give it to you.

Hmm. A free rental until 2017. No maintenance, no repairs on wear and tear items on the rental, unlimited mileage... and if you own multiple cars, you can temporarily stop your insurance on the recalled car that you won't be driving. (Your insurance policy probably says for a car rental, any policy on any car would cover the rental, like mine does..)....When I have time, I'm going to be calling BMW NA to ask to see if they'll offer a direct reimbursement to me and/or to see if there's any comps from #4 as a result of accelerated depreciation...not that I was going to ever trade my car in.

More update on this : I called BMW Encinitas and they de brief that this is only precautionary but not much of anything danger. Upon asking the other alternative if I am not feeling comfortable to drive my car until the airbag removed, and I openly asked what alternative we can get, then very inconveniently brought up the point they can give $48 max and that is also from Enterprise Rental car. I am not really understand why this kind of bind over with particular rental company? Why not even they allow us to rent some good cars with the same amount of money they are ready to give and sure we do get few better cars from others with the same money.
I am not sure whom we can reach out to finalize this issue.

Actually, I didn't want to name dealerships but when I called 3 of the 4 dealerships here in SD, that one was the only one that initially didn't give me an honest answer. They told me "not to worry". BMW of SD was the first one to mention that I didn't feel comfortable driving my own car, BMW NA has a rental reimbursement program and they explained to me how it works. What's interesting is that BMW NA is saying $55/day, while as some dealers are saying anywhere between $44-48. So..... maybe this is something you want to take up with BMW NA directly.

Here was the detail of the financial aid package thrown at the dealers... You might get a better package if you deal with BMW NA directly. Haven't tried (yet)...
http://www.autonews.com/article/20160321...


"There are many plans in the making to help our customers and our dealers get through the recall," a BMW spokesman said. "We understand the urgency, and the details are being finalized as quickly as possible."

In addition to loaner vehicles, BMW is expected to authorize dealers to use vehicles from rental fleets and reimburse them up to $55 a day for those vehicles, according to a source briefed on the matter.

In the February notice, BMW advised dealers that customers with recalled vehicles from the 2012 model year and newer be put into loaner vehicles and "customers with [2011 model and older] ... vehicles may be offered off-lease loaners in lieu of a rental vehicle."

BMW also is paying dealers additional money for 2016 models they put into the loaner fleet to aid with the recall: $1,500 for 2-series, X1 and i3 REx extended-range vehicles; $3,000 for 3- and 4-series models; $4,000 for X3 and X4 crossovers; and $4,500 for the 5-series sedan and X5 and X6 crossovers.

The recall support allowances "will help to offset both registration and depreciation expenses," for the service loaner vehicles, BMW told dealers in the February notice.

BMW has told dealers it also will pay between $400 and $650 a month -- depending on the vehicle and its age -- in floorplan assistance.

The company also will pay $300 for the inspection of certified used vehicles and $200 for noncertified used vehicles once the stop-sale ends.

BMW is promising to "offer special low APR" rates on all affected 2012 and newer models after they are repaired.

In a related matter, Mercedes-Benz said it also is working out a reimbursement plan for dealers. Just 475 vehicles in dealer inventory have been affected by a stop-sale order because of the Takata recall, according to a Mercedes spokesman.

They include 2004-15 Mercedes vehicles and 2007-14 Daimler vans.

Mercedes-Benz USA will help dealers offset flooring and depreciation related to the recall, according to the spokesman. It also will allow dealers to take affected vehicles in on trade, he said.

Submitted by spdrun on April 15, 2016 - 5:35pm.

Yes I would. Been driving a VW with airbag light on for some time now.

Airbag light means the dashbombs are disabled. AFAIK, the Takata problem is worse. Bombs will explode in a crash, but have a (small) chance of sending shrapnel through your guts. Fun times.

Submitted by 5yearwaiter on April 28, 2016 - 8:44am.

Did we have any update on this? Anyone take any rental here in San Diego or near by?

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