Why do you hate the Prius?

Submitted by EmilyHicks on November 13, 2009 - 3:30pm
A. It is butt ugly
4% (3 votes)
B. It is the smugness of liberal Prius drivers: "I am saving the world"
15% (11 votes)
C. Prius drivers are slow
1% (1 vote)
D. A, B and C
30% (22 votes)
E. I am indifference
22% (16 votes)
F. I love the Prius
28% (21 votes)
Total votes: 74
Submitted by svelte on November 13, 2009 - 3:36pm.

I admit it, I'm a Prius hater.

Actually, I hate everything that is "me too!" and Prius definitely falls in the category now. Plus the smugness of the owners. Plus the homeliness of the cars.

I must admit that Prius drivers are not slow though - I have no problem with them on the freeway. As opposed to the prior "me too" econobox the old Beetle...those damn things held me up every time I drove. Can't say that about the Prius.

(one more point: many Prius owners live two to three times my 15 miles to work....in reality, they use MORE natural resources to drive than I do! If they were really ecologically friendly and not just concerned with image, they'd move closer to work...)

(okay one more: I realize that not all Prius owners fit into the categories I lambast above...)

Submitted by EmilyHicks on November 13, 2009 - 3:42pm.

I just got home from work. I was driving back to Carmel Valley and was ready to take the Del Mar Heights exit. As I was coasting at about 60 MPH on the right lane going up hill, a big Suburban with four 40"+ wheels was riding up my tail about 5 feet away. First I thought this guy will change lane and pass me soon but he didn't for a long time. When I was about 200 ft before the exit, he suddenly changed lane and cut me off quickly (almost got my car) sticking out his arm and middle finger after that.

He raced to the stop light and braked hard. I coasted to the light and was right behind him and I saw a www.ihatetheprius.com sticker. What a dick.

Submitted by jimmyle on November 13, 2009 - 3:48pm.

It happens to me and my Prius every day because I drive at 60-65 mph on the freeway.

Submitted by briansd1 on November 13, 2009 - 3:52pm.

The Prius is pretty. I love auto design and the Prius is a modern version of the Citroen DS, which was very advanced for its day.

Prius drivers are slow. Those idiots drivers drivers try to save some gas by blocking traffic. But they are not any worse than the airhead who accelerate and slow down for no reason.

I love the Prius because I love pretty things.

True, Prius drivers are pretty smug but so are Mercedes drivers and Porsche drivers and Ferrari drivers and Hummer drivers.

But that's OK, I like elitism. What's wrong with being concerned with image and wanting to be the best in some way? Most of us are image conscious in one way or another. Some like to portray the image that they are not concerned with image, but they are.

Submitted by ucodegen on November 13, 2009 - 4:05pm.

I put indifferent because there is no 'like' category. I don't 'love' the Prius. I find the car interesting and if I had to drive farther to get around, I would probably buy one.

Right now my old K30 pickup (yes lifted with big tires) is doing quite well, though I wish it had taller gears. I don't tailgate because such trucks don't have good stopping distances.

I drive it because of all the crazy drivers out there.. Too many soccer moms with attitudes driving SUVs.. I even had one try to force me out of my lane (by changing into my lane when she was even with my vehicle) and only stopped when I hit the horn and she did a double take after looking out her passenger window only showed the bottom half of my drivers door. Lesson - please look before you change lanes. Driving something you think is big is all relative and general courtesy is helpful.

PS: Yes, the K30 is used to carry heavy things as well as off-road periodically. Its my 'beater'.

True, Prius drivers are pretty smug but so are Mercedes drivers and Porsche drivers and Ferrari drivers and Hummer drivers.

You forgot BMW drivers.

Submitted by blahblahblah on November 13, 2009 - 4:46pm.

We bought one early this year, it is a nice car. Comfortable, rides well and holds a lot of stuff for a small car. Back when gas got cheap you could get good deals on them. People like to join groups -- some people want to join the group that likes to get good gas mileage and other people like to be part of the group that makes fun of the people that like to get good gas mileage. The world is big enough for both.

Submitted by NeetaT on November 13, 2009 - 5:07pm.

I would rather drive an expensive-fun sports car that gets 20 mpg than drive a boring car that gets 40 mpg. I drive a "Carrera S" and I love it.

Submitted by jimmyle on November 13, 2009 - 5:43pm.

57 mpg for me. I can't get it under 50 mpg.

NeetaT wrote:
I would rather drive an expensive-fun sports car that gets 20 mpg than drive a boring car that gets 40 mpg. I drive a "Carrera S" and I love it.

Submitted by NeetaT on November 13, 2009 - 5:55pm.

"57 mpg for me. I can't get it under 50 mpg."

That's not good for the oil business!

Submitted by EconProf on November 13, 2009 - 6:03pm.

I drove my daughter's Prius for about a year and noticed other drivers acted very different to me compared to when I drove my Chrysler Pacifica--a small SUV/crossover vehicle.
First, they would pass more readily, no matter what my speed, especially when pulling away from a stop light. Seemed to assume I would be going slow, even though I drove the same.
Second, they would tailgate. Especially big pickups and big SUVs. I assumed they were mad because they just filled up their $100 per shot gas tanks.

Submitted by dbapig on November 13, 2009 - 6:04pm.

The poll should be
Why do you hate the big SUVs and pickups?

-Butt ugly
-Smugness of drivers looking down on others
-SUV/Pickup drivers think they own the road.
-They fund Al Queda/Jihadists/Islamic fundamentalists.

Submitted by oxfordrick on November 13, 2009 - 6:10pm.

In January my Prius will be six years old. I'm really surprised I've owned it so long. It's like a golf cart with good acceleration from the traffic lights, don't even think of playing "road rage" games in the 40-60 mph range because there is nothing there. Maybe that's why I don't get tickets anymore!

Some larger vehicles try to crowd me but when I drive on the edge of my lane close to them they always back down - they seem to know that if their truck hits a Prius it's their fault!

Handling is surprisingly good - at least it often surprises they that try to race me in one or two favorite litte corners.

As for the technology, it's mostly bullshit, replacing batteries will cost more than any gas savings you may have achieved. 40 mpg is my average town and highway, about equivalent to a Euro diesel whatever. I have a six year old vehicle which has retained most of its value so it all works for me. As for "renewable" energy,

If it makes me feel good does it matter what it costs?

Submitted by peterb on November 13, 2009 - 6:54pm.

Huge carbon footprint, higher complexity, mostly false economy. Slightly better mpg than a very efficient gas engine. Yup, the Japanese figured the US out a long time ago when they sold us all the trucks with 4WD that no one ever uses.

Submitted by ralphfurley on November 13, 2009 - 6:56pm.

I am an independence American who is confidence that the word you are searching for is indifferent. Is it really that importance? Probably not.

Submitted by FormerOwner on November 13, 2009 - 7:28pm.

I thought about buying a Prius when the gas prices shot up sky high last year. I also test drove a Mini Cooper and a Mini Cooper S. Once I drove the Minis, I knew I would never own a Prius. In the end, I decided to just keep driving my 10 year old Lexus LS400, since the only problem I've ever had with it is the low city gas mileage. I could buy a lot of gas for the price of a new car!

Submitted by bubble_contagion on November 13, 2009 - 7:40pm.

In case you missed it, Ashton Kutcher just bought Demi Moore a new Prius.

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrit...

Submitted by briansd1 on November 13, 2009 - 8:00pm.

FormerOwner wrote:
I could buy a lot of gas for the price of a new car!

Very true. The best way to protect the environment is not to buy new. Repair and reuse the car that you have now. Keep it running clean and in good repair.

Submitted by briansd1 on November 13, 2009 - 8:07pm.

NeetaT wrote:
I would rather drive an expensive-fun sports car that gets 20 mpg than drive a boring car that gets 40 mpg. I drive a "Carrera S" and I love it.

Do you think that SUV are fun to drive?

I think that Americans have always been in love with land yachts.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on November 13, 2009 - 8:38pm.

I hate how it makes parking in 2 spots seem so silly.

Seriously, "I am indifference"???!!!!

Dude

Submitted by NeetaT on November 13, 2009 - 8:58pm.

I love SUV's and sports cars and the outdoors. I also love high gas prices because fewer people drive during the high price duration. Life is too short to be confined to driving a car just for the sake of being economical. Oh, by the way SUV's are practical. I can load up all my outdoor gear and have a great time. Those who complain about gas prices should use public transportation or better yet, invest in the oil and gas markets to hedge against the high prices. You do have options. Enjoy life and stop trying to be so practical.

Submitted by jimmyle on November 13, 2009 - 9:15pm.

I also love the outdoors. I can do a lot with my Prius too. Golf, Biking, Kayaking...

NeetaT wrote:
I love SUV's and sports cars and the outdoors. I also love high gas prices because fewer people drive during the high price duration. Life is too short to be confined to driving a car just for the sake of being economical. Oh, by the way SUV's are practical. I can load up all my outdoor gear and have a great time. Those who complain about gas prices should use public transportation or better yet, invest in the oil and gas markets to hedge against the high prices. You do have options. Enjoy life and stop trying to be so practical.

Submitted by patb on November 13, 2009 - 9:20pm.

I like the prius, and the new honda civic hybrid
but, at 26K, it's a lot of money for me.
I bought my camry used for 7K,
if i could get a used Civic Hybrid for 12K,
i'd be good.

its why i was always stunned at the people with the
80K lincoln navigators.

Submitted by poorgradstudent on November 13, 2009 - 9:35pm.

I'm glad the Prius exists. I didn't buy one because I feel they are overpriced for what you get in terms of gas mileage not to mention expected long term repair costs.

I hate Hummers. I dislike people who drive huge pick-up trucks without a legitimate work reason (If you're a plumber, contractor, carpenter, etc, you have a legitimate work reason for a truck)

My least favorite part of the Prius besides the cost is probably the fact you can't back up safely without a freaking rear view camera!

So yeah, my friend has a hybrid Prius. It's a nice car. I think he overpaid, but then again he has a great job and no intention of having kids or buying property anytime soon, so he can afford it.

Submitted by patb on November 14, 2009 - 12:29pm.

poorgradstudent wrote:
I'm glad the Prius exists. I didn't buy one because I feel they are overpriced for what you get in terms of gas mileage not to mention expected long term repair costs.

I hate Hummers. I dislike people who drive huge pick-up trucks without a legitimate work reason (If you're a plumber, contractor, carpenter, etc, you have a legitimate work reason for a truck)

My least favorite part of the Prius besides the cost is probably the fact you can't back up safely without a freaking rear view camera!

So yeah, my friend has a hybrid Prius. It's a nice car. I think he overpaid, but then again he has a great job and no intention of having kids or buying property anytime soon, so he can afford it.

I don't buy new cars, haven't in 20 years, been happy ever since i let other people pay the first 2 years depreciation.

but my girl wants a SMARTcar for two, 14K and
gets teh same mileage as a prius.

if i could get a prius for 12K i'd buy one

Submitted by davelj on November 14, 2009 - 1:26pm.

I could care less about the Prius - I'm indifferent. But, there's a debate raging as to exactly how environmentally-friendly the car is when looking at it in a "Dust to Dust" context (that is, from the car's manufacturing, through its useful life, to its disposal). In fact, this article suggests that a Hummer is better for the environment than a Prius when viewed from a "Dust to Dust" perspective. Again, I could care less. But I'm skeptical that the Prius is really all that great for the environment once ALL of the factors are taken into consideration.

http://cnwmr.com/nss-folder/automotiveen...

Submitted by Coronita on November 14, 2009 - 3:56pm.

Personally, I've never been a fan of the Prius styling. Second, I've never been a fan of hybrid cars.

I like clean-tech diesel, and auto manufacturers that are trying to remove the weight from cars by using lighter alloys without compromising structural integrity. Cars these days are porky, and could go on a diet. I think this is were VW is doing well with their TDI technology(they just need to figure out how to build more reliable cars :))

One thing though, I wouldn't want to drive a prius in an area where it snows.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/20...

Submitted by patb on November 14, 2009 - 7:49pm.

flu wrote:

One thing though, I wouldn't want to drive a prius in an area where it snows.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/04/prius_traction.html

Put the Handbrake on one notch?

Submitted by Coronita on November 14, 2009 - 10:14pm.

patb wrote:
flu wrote:

One thing though, I wouldn't want to drive a prius in an area where it snows.

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/04/prius_traction.html

Put the Handbrake on one notch?

Um, apparently no. It's not just about letting the wheel spin a little. The system doesn't allow any wheel spin to occur at all. Just shuts down.

Sorry, I think Toyota's been having their fair share of issues in recent times. This one has been around for awhile.

Submitted by CafeMoto on November 15, 2009 - 8:35am.

The prius is 'ok' in my opinion. It was a good idea executed, with tolerable styling. If I wanted to drive economy I might get a 4 door civic (almost as good). Just saw the brand new Honda Accord Crosstour. I like to see different ideas make it to market. I am continuing to drive my car for as long as possible, there is no reason for me to buy new.

Submitted by maktbone on November 15, 2009 - 10:35am.

I would like to add that the price of a Prius relative to that of a Corolla LE does not justify the improvement in fuel economy. Every time I hear a Prius owner brag about how much money they're saving, I want to open up a spreadsheet to prove otherwise.

Assume 22k for the Prius or 15k for the Corolla (rough $'s here). At $3.50/gal the 7 grand saved would buy 2000 gallons of gasoline, which at 30mpg would get you 60,000 miles. My back-of-the napkin calculation shows that at $4/gal, the Prius would become the more economical option only after 120,000 miles. At $5/gal make that 100,000 miles, and at $6/gal, 80,000 miles. (this doesn't include financing charges, opportunity costs of the foregone cash flow, insurance & maintenance, etc.).

Submitted by afx114 on November 15, 2009 - 10:48am.

maktbone wrote:
Assume 22k for the Prius or 15k for the Corolla (rough $'s here). At $3.50/gal the 7 grand saved would buy 2000 gallons of gasoline, which at 30mpg would get you 60,000 miles.

The problem with your calculations is the assumption that gas will remain at $3.50 for the life of the car. I'll go out on a limb and argue that your assumption is horribly wrong.

Submitted by blahblahblah on November 15, 2009 - 11:22am.

One other thing worth mentioning is that for better or worse people like these hybrid cars. Whether or not this preference is justified doesn't matter, the net effect is that a hybrid will not depreciate as rapidly as a non-hybrid car. This helps should you choose to trade it in on something new.

Another thing I notice about Prius-bashing is that it often has a techy bent. I hear a lot of arguments like "Hybrid technology is okay but what about technology X? When we have technology X cars they will have better gas mileage, etc..." That's fine but no one is selling technology X. The Prius has been around for 5 years now and we've burned a lot less gasoline in that time having all of those cars on the road. Technology X will be great when it arrives but for now we'll make do with hybrids.

TDIs are very cool and get great mileage but unfortunately they are made by VW. I had a VW in the 90s and I had so many problems with it that I have sworn off of them forever. My next car after that was a late 90s Chevy which was great! It was loud, handled like a buggy and felt cheap (probably because it was cheap) but it was indestructible. Great car. Now I have a Mazda (a great low-tech car that will probably run forever; mileage could be better though) and the wife has the high-tech Prius.

And yes I know that the hybrid cars take more energy to produce but some of that energy can be coal, hydroelectric, or nuclear. Sure the higher production energy requirements makes more greenhouse gases but the bigger problem now is reduced availability of fossil fuels as the world population increases and China and India demand more of it. I'm still not sure that the increased greenhouse gas is as big of a problem as everyone is making it out to be, but the increasing demand on the world fuel supply definitely is an issue.

Submitted by Coronita on November 15, 2009 - 1:38pm.

CONCHO wrote:
One other thing worth mentioning is that for better or worse people like these hybrid cars. Whether or not this preference is justified doesn't matter, the net effect is that a hybrid will not depreciate as rapidly as a non-hybrid car. This helps should you choose to trade it in on something new.

Another thing I notice about Prius-bashing is that it often has a techy bent. I hear a lot of arguments like "Hybrid technology is okay but what about technology X? When we have technology X cars they will have better gas mileage, etc..." That's fine but no one is selling technology X. The Prius has been around for 5 years now and we've burned a lot less gasoline in that time having all of those cars on the road. Technology X will be great when it arrives but for now we'll make do with hybrids.

TDIs are very cool and get great mileage but unfortunately they are made by VW. I had a VW in the 90s and I had so many problems with it that I have sworn off of them forever. My next car after that was a late 90s Chevy which was great! It was loud, handled like a buggy and felt cheap (probably because it was cheap) but it was indestructible. Great car. Now I have a Mazda (a great low-tech car that will probably run forever; mileage could be better though) and the wife has the high-tech Prius.

And yes I know that the hybrid cars take more energy to produce but some of that energy can be coal, hydroelectric, or nuclear. Sure the higher production energy requirements makes more greenhouse gases but the bigger problem now is reduced availability of fossil fuels as the world population increases and China and India demand more of it. I'm still not sure that the increased greenhouse gas is as big of a problem as everyone is making it out to be, but the increasing demand on the world fuel supply definitely is an issue.

Jetta TDI gets roughly 40mpg and runs right now on diesel and bio-diesel. Plus no one knows what happens when those hybrid battery cells go kaputs. I believe from a consumer perspective, it's a $3000+ part excluding labor. From a environment perspective, I'm not sure if folks figured how to recycle/dispose of those if these were to go mainstream.

Let's not forget also that Toyota hasn't exactly been an A+ in the reliability/safety department these days...Just talk to a few Camry/ES350 owners and/or Tundra/Tacoma owners. And yet, consumers want more and more electronics to be put into cars.

BTW: weight savings is the key. Autoblog did a comparo between a Civic Hybrid of today versus the Honda CRX from the 90ies, both with comparable gas mileage. The CRX efficiency was due to various factors, but noteworthy was effort was taken to lighten the car up. Cars they days weigh way too much. Sticking heavy battery cell imho is not the direction to go. Diesel engines also are pretty porky too.

Me, I'm waiting for more performance TDI's. If they brought over i 335i diesel in coupe form or a A5 in coupe form, that would do it for me.

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2007/11/aud...

Submitted by patb on November 15, 2009 - 3:19pm.

maktbone wrote:
I would like to add that the price of a Prius relative to that of a Corolla LE does not justify the improvement in fuel economy. Every time I hear a Prius owner brag about how much money they're saving, I want to open up a spreadsheet to prove otherwise.

Assume 22k for the Prius or 15k for the Corolla (rough $'s here). At $3.50/gal the 7 grand saved would buy 2000 gallons of gasoline, which at 30mpg would get you 60,000 miles. My back-of-the napkin calculation shows that at $4/gal, the Prius would become the more economical option only after 120,000 miles. At $5/gal make that 100,000 miles, and at $6/gal, 80,000 miles. (this doesn't include financing charges, opportunity costs of the foregone cash flow, insurance & maintenance, etc.).

You also assume what the duty cycle is.
The Hybrid camry Taxis in DC save a fortune,
the cab drivers go from 2 tanks a shift to 1, which
is a real big income boost. that's 40% of their nut.
Cabbies are sort of the Hell driving cycle, lots of
stop and go, all in traffic, lots of idling.

A Hybrid optimizes to their needs.

For someone doing urban delivery the hybrid payoff
is very large, plus the demographic signaling.

Hot chicks drive prius's.

Prius owners signal they will accept a low ROI
for environmental factors, which means they will
also invest in PV, wind power and insulation.

Submitted by svelte on November 15, 2009 - 3:56pm.

patb wrote:

Hot chicks drive prius's.

Really? I've never seen that...every time I look, it's a geek or a school marm with short hair and glasses...

Submitted by Coronita on November 15, 2009 - 6:10pm.

patb wrote:
maktbone wrote:
I would like to add that the price of a Prius relative to that of a Corolla LE does not justify the improvement in fuel economy. Every time I hear a Prius owner brag about how much money they're saving, I want to open up a spreadsheet to prove otherwise.

Assume 22k for the Prius or 15k for the Corolla (rough $'s here). At $3.50/gal the 7 grand saved would buy 2000 gallons of gasoline, which at 30mpg would get you 60,000 miles. My back-of-the napkin calculation shows that at $4/gal, the Prius would become the more economical option only after 120,000 miles. At $5/gal make that 100,000 miles, and at $6/gal, 80,000 miles. (this doesn't include financing charges, opportunity costs of the foregone cash flow, insurance & maintenance, etc.).

You also assume what the duty cycle is.
The Hybrid camry Taxis in DC save a fortune,
the cab drivers go from 2 tanks a shift to 1, which
is a real big income boost. that's 40% of their nut.
Cabbies are sort of the Hell driving cycle, lots of
stop and go, all in traffic, lots of idling.

A Hybrid optimizes to their needs.

For someone doing urban delivery the hybrid payoff
is very large, plus the demographic signaling.

Hot chicks drive prius's.

Prius owners signal they will accept a low ROI
for environmental factors, which means they will
also invest in PV, wind power and insulation.

The irony to that is unless you live in downtown san diego, I would say here you would probably spend more time on the freeway than on local roads. Either so, San Diego traffic is rarely the constant bumper to bumper like you would get say in L.A. And considering the Prius was optimized for city versus highway driving, there's no way you would get that efficiency on the highway if you were to stomp on the accelerator like you normally would do in a normal car.

I think the fact that most Prius owners are conscious they are in a prius, they tend to drive them very light footed, which probably explains why you see several of them accelerator from a stop so slow or driving on the freeway slower..etc Not that the car can't go faster, just that for some reason, being a prius, sub-consciously makes you want to take it easier. (I think Al Gore's brother or relative proved prius are capable of going 90mph+.) Especially on the fully decked prius, you get that cool computer screen telling you where the power is coming from battery/engine/etc and you get near instaneous feedback on your MPG blatantly displayed on the screen.

I rented a prius, and when I drove it on the highway like I would a normal car, I couldn't get more than 38mpg. Then again, I accelerated like normal cars do, and drove mostly on the freeway and wasn't in stop and go. I was also in an area where it was hilly terrain, so the engine was sort of working to go up and down the hills.

Don't get me wrong. I think the Prius is an interesting invention. Personally, think the styling could use some work, but conceptually neat. For a $25k+, don't think it's my cup of tea. And while resale is currently high, it's won't last that way. Especially as other companies start launching other cars with other tech with more normal packaging. Ford fusion hybrid comes to mind. And TDI is only going to get better. Germans take the lead in this department.

Submitted by blahblahblah on November 15, 2009 - 8:38pm.

Jetta TDI gets roughly 40mpg and runs right now on diesel and bio-diesel. Plus no one knows what happens when those hybrid battery cells go kaputs. I believe from a consumer perspective, it's a $3000+ part excluding labor. From a environment perspective, I'm not sure if folks figured how to recycle/dispose of those if these were to go mainstream.

Good luck with that VW. I had bad luck with mine and I know a number of other people that have as well. Hopefully their quality has improved. Like I said, TDI is cool technology but I wish someone other than VW sold it. My Chevy was a lot more reliable than my VW. Of course nothing beats a Mazda :-) Except in the MPG department and then pretty much any hybrid beats them...

Submitted by trex on November 16, 2009 - 7:39am.

The problem is consumption - not ownership. I drive a 1999 Suburban - about once a week. I walk to work everyday. Some of my coworkers drive to work though they live in the same neighborhood.

The suburban is a great vehicle and I've tuned it so I'm getting over 20mpg on the freeway. When you take into account the kids and cargo, it would probably take 5 prius to haul the same gear. So I figure I'm the real environmentalist.

What's plural for prius?

Submitted by Ren on November 16, 2009 - 7:54am.

Funny that compact Hondas and Mazdas from the early 90's got 40+ mpg, then they had to go and add all that weight for safety.

Auto manufacturers need to work on reducing weight as much as they do engine efficiency. Besides better gas mileage, it would mean better performance for us enthusiasts.

Top Gear (best car show ever) excerpt on the Prius:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk

Submitted by blahblahblah on November 16, 2009 - 8:54am.

Top Gear (best car show ever) excerpt on the Prius:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk

Funny excerpt. However driving a Prius as fast as possible around a track is as silly as trying to hypermile a BMW M3. People don't buy Prii (that's the plural as far as I can tell) to drive as fast as possible, they choose them because they get very good mileage under normal use, they hold plenty of cargo and passengers, and they seem to be fairly reliable. As for the environmental issues of making the batteries, that is a fair beef with the car. However the first generation of any technology has problems. Someone has to go first and Toyota and Honda chose to do so. The technology will improve and get cleaner as people and governments demand it.

Submitted by patb on November 16, 2009 - 11:09am.

trex wrote:
The problem is consumption - not ownership. I drive a 1999 Suburban - about once a week. I walk to work everyday. Some of my coworkers drive to work though they live in the same neighborhood.

The suburban is a great vehicle and I've tuned it so I'm getting over 20mpg on the freeway. When you take into account the kids and cargo, it would probably take 5 prius to haul the same gear. So I figure I'm the real environmentalist.

What's plural for prius?

Good for you.

Now if you only use the Suburban weekends, have you
considered getting rid of it, and just renting a passenger van when you take the kids and cargo somewhere?

They have these zipcar franchises, that would work
well too.

Submitted by blahblahblah on November 16, 2009 - 11:12am.

Actually Ford just announced a 2010 model car that will satisfy the needs of most Americans.

Submitted by EconProf on November 16, 2009 - 7:10pm.

I got a 3-year old Prius up to 108 MPH in the desert.
The car reviews say the newest version of Prius has improved its power.

Submitted by jimmyle on November 17, 2009 - 9:00am.

The Prius is not for everyone. Especially people with short commute like you. However, you know that many people have to drive long distances to work. I think if your drive less than 20,000 miles per year then don't get the Prius. However, I see a lot of people in my company with long commutes driving big SUVs.

Every body loves to live near where they work but sometimes it is impossible so the Prius will help minimize the damage (to the pocket book and environment) for people with long drives.

trex wrote:
The problem is consumption - not ownership. I drive a 1999 Suburban - about once a week. I walk to work everyday. Some of my coworkers drive to work though they live in the same neighborhood.

The suburban is a great vehicle and I've tuned it so I'm getting over 20mpg on the freeway. When you take into account the kids and cargo, it would probably take 5 prius to haul the same gear. So I figure I'm the real environmentalist.

What's plural for prius?

Submitted by jimmyle on November 17, 2009 - 9:12am.

For people who worries about the Prius' battery, I can guarantee you that it is not a concern.

The battery of my Prius is guaranteed up to 150,000 miles. In addition, less than 1% of these batteries have to be replaced before the 150,000 miles so I don't worry too much.

Most of the taxis in Vancouver are Prii and battery problem is not a concern. Many of the taxi Prii have reached 400,000 km with original batteries.

The Prius batteries will be recycled.

http://www.autospies.com/news/Prius-taxi...

Submitted by eyePod on November 17, 2009 - 9:20am.

I own a 2010 Prius - bought it new. I don't think it is expensive compared to what other new cars cost. Is this the "Pigginton" car philosophy - cars should be priced at 1/2 no matter how much they go down? I love this car. I'm not smug, I'm not very environmental, I just like using less foreign oil and having a small economical car. A smaller carbon footprint isn't a bad thing, either. Less smog is not a bad thing. I'm also a tech freak so that appeals as well.
It surprises me that even cars now have political followings! Geez.

Submitted by briansd1 on November 17, 2009 - 5:40pm.

trex wrote:
The problem is consumption - not ownership.

trex wrote:

The suburban is a great vehicle and I've tuned it so I'm getting over 20mpg on the freeway. When you take into account the kids and cargo, it would probably take 5 prius to haul the same gear. So I figure I'm the real environmentalist.

The best way to save the environment is not to reproduce. Each additional human puts additional strains on our resources.

Submitted by Coronita on November 17, 2009 - 6:12pm.

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What's plural for prius?

Prii...just like Lexi.

Submitted by PlnrBoy on November 17, 2009 - 6:14pm.

I thought this thread would comment on South Park. They had an episode about the smuggness of Prius owners and how it was mucking up the air. San Francisco was polluted with smuggness. OK maybe it was just me buit it was funny.

Submitted by poorgradstudent on November 17, 2009 - 6:24pm.

eyePod wrote:
I own a 2010 Prius - bought it new. I don't think it is expensive compared to what other new cars cost. Is this the "Pigginton" car philosophy - cars should be priced at 1/2 no matter how much they go down?

I would imagine most Piggs are pretty tight with their money and don't often buy new cars. I drive a 2006 Hyundai Elantra; I pretty strongly believe Hyundais provide the biggest bang for the buck right now (until the market catches on that they make good cars and their aftermarket prices start rising).