WELFARE poem

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Submitted by HLS on October 5, 2007 - 4:27pm

I cross ocean,
poor and broke,
Take bus,
see employment folk.

Nice man treat me
good in there,
Say I need to
see welfare.

Welfare say,
'You come no more,
We send cash
right to your door.'

Welfare checks,
they make you wealthy,
Medicaid it keep
you healthy!

By and by,
I got plenty money,
Thanks to you,
American dummy.

Write to friends
in motherland,
Tell them 'come
fast as you can.'

They come in turbans
and Ford trucks,
I buy big house
with welfare bucks

They come here,
we live together,
More welfare checks,
it gets better!

Fourteen families,
they moving in,
But neighbor's patience
wearing thin.

Finally, white guy
moves away,
Now I buy his house,
and then I say,

'Find more aliens
for house to rent.'
And in the yard
I put a tent.

Send for family
they just trash,
But they, too,
draw the welfare cash!

Everything is
very good,
And soon we
own the neighborhood.

We have hobby
it's called breeding,
Welfare ! pay
for baby feeding.

Kids need dentist?
Wife need pills?
We get free!
We got no bills!

American crazy!
He pay all year,
To keep welfare
running here.

We think America darn good place!
Too darn good for the white man race.

If they no like us, they can scram,
Got lots of room in Pakistan
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Not sure if the below is true:

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can also get
an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

This compares to a senior who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years can only receive around $1,000.00 in SSI .

Maybe our seniors should apply as refugees!

Submitted by NotCranky on October 5, 2007 - 4:52pm.

Is that the official "upper" middle class bonding song? Y'all all sing it at campfires? Just break it out for recessions or almost any time?

Disclaimer: Don't get me wrong I am not a fan of welfare as it is. They don't give free jacuzzis.

Submitted by nostradamus on October 5, 2007 - 6:15pm.

Sounds like minuteman-style hate mail to me. Something I get from white trash who somehow got me on their email list. Really, it just makes the poem-sender look stupid and angry.

Refugee status is rare and hard to attain. Usually refugees are fleeing military juntas that were probably armed by us.

Getting $1000 for SSI means you worked for 30 or 40 years in a low paying job. If I retire right now (I'm 37) I'd get $2600 in SSI. SSI is stupid and should be abolished anyway (I'm not republican but SSI and labor unions are two big reasons to hate democrats, they created both, the former to fund war of all things).

Don't be disgruntled to foreigners who came here and did better than you. Focus that poetic energy on making your life better! Then you won't have time to judge everyone else with your hateful perspective. There are so many opportunities in this country, if you're not going to take them then someone will (maybe someone foreign).

BTW I'm white, American, and not proud when I see stuff like this. It is a shameful reminder that our country really is going to shit, not because of foreigners but because of dumb Americans.

You are foolish if you think the cause of your problems is foreigners. It's your own government f'ing you over as a reward for not using your brain when you voted.

Submitted by Coronita on October 5, 2007 - 10:24pm.

nostradamus,

I am not white. I guess you could say I would be considered a "minority", even though I don't like to play that card and not really the case in california.

Anyway, I'm not against welfare for the truely poor and needy. America is a very generous country, and that's one of it's strength. BUT, i do feel that sometimes america is TOO generous. See here's my problem with welfare.

As a U.S. citizen, I can apply for P.R. for my in-laws, who are in their 70ies. Being over 65, once they get P.R., they pretty much can get welfare and all health benefits. This is pretty messed up imho, irrespective of race/ethnicity because these folks have never paid taxes, and yet are taxing the system. And these folks won't ever contribute to the system because they are beyond their earning years. And this happens quite often. In fact, quite often some of these ancestors are extremely wealthy overseas, yet still take advantage of our system's generousity because there is no record of their financial situation overseas.

This sort of abuse makes me sick frankly. Because welfare wasn't defined for this kind of abuse, and sometimes I feel people don't appreciate the generousity of this country. Second, we really can't afford such handouts these days. I wish our government would reform welfare laws frankly to reduce such abuses.

It's unfortunate that sometimes the need to reform policies get mixed with other group's agendas such that it is perceived as racism or what have you. The need for reform seems to get lost in all the politics.

 

Submitted by bsrsharma on October 5, 2007 - 10:44pm.

As a U.S. citizen, I can apply for P.R. for my in-laws, who are in their 70ies. Being over 65, once they get P.R., they pretty much can get welfare and all health benefits

Some info on legal immigration: Most legal immigration needs a sponsor. Since you are talking about in-laws, you can't sponsor them. A Citizen can sponsor parents, minor children, brothers & sisters. If your wife is a US Citizen, she can sponsor for her parents. Sponsoring requires executing a legally binding, "Affidavit of Support", wherein, the sponsor agrees to pay for all expenses of immigrant for 5 years. Now, if they are indigent after 5 years, they can probably apply for SSI/Medical-Medicaid etc., But it is definitely not "get off the boat/aircraft, rush to welfare office" scenario that is sometimes portrayed. I do know many illegals use food stamps, that is because they have minor dependent children, most likely born here in US.

Submitted by Coronita on October 5, 2007 - 10:53pm.

As a U.S. citizen, I can apply for P.R. for my in-laws, who are in their 70ies. Being over 65, once they get P.R., they pretty much can get welfare and all health benefits

Some info on legal immigration: Most legal immigration needs a sponsor. Since you are talking about in-laws, you can't sponsor them. A Citizen can sponsor parents, minor children, brothers & sisters. If your wife is a US Citizen, she can sponsor for her parents. Sponsoring requires executing a legally binding, "Affidavit of Support", wherein, the sponsor agrees to pay for all expenses of immigrant for 5 years. Now, if they are indigent after 5 years, they can probably apply for SSI/Medical-Medicaid etc., But it is definitely not "get off the boat/aircraft, rush to welfare office" scenario that is sometimes portrayed. I do know many illegals use food stamps, that is because they have minor dependent children, most likely born here in US.

 

You are correct bsrsharma, I meant "we" as in wife and me. And yes, she is a U.S. citizen. and there is waiting period, I forgot exactly the number of years. Thanks for reminding me (err, not something I personally would prefer actually. This has come up soo many times in discussions at families)

As long as they are over 65, SSI/Medical is available to them after the waiting period. My point is still, the system has a lot of holes for abuse. It needs reform.

 

Submitted by nostradamus on October 5, 2007 - 11:05pm.

I do not support welfare, SS, or any kind of socialism. I also don't support illegal immigration but rather better diplomacy.

I have not heard of that scenario (elderly foreign parents getting PR and full benefits) is there somewhere I can read about this? If so that's trippy but consider this:

IMO non-Americans take care of their elderly. Often they live multiple generations under one roof: parents who bring home the bacon, children who grown and learn, and grandparents who stay home and take care of the children while the parents are out working. When the grandparents are old it is their turn to be taken care of by the rest of the family. This is ideal and just feels "right" to me: we take care of one another generation after generation.

In America, we have day care and social security for that so we don't need to rely on our families. We have retirement homes and medicare to make sure we're healthy when we're old. We have satellite families where everyone is off doing their own thing in their American independent way, and the family as a unit is too spread out to be functional: I.e. we are dysfunctional satellite families and welfare or SS support this. So you might say that welfare and SS perpetuate family dysfunction. In the old days if someone in your family is hungry someone else in the family feeds them, that's what holds families together and lets them thrive.

Finally, If you are a legal U.S. citizen then I welcome you and your whole family and thank you for coming here, you're one of us now and have added to our diversity so heck no we're not going to turn your elderly parents away that's one of the benefits of doing things legally, welcome to the team.

Submitted by bsrsharma on October 5, 2007 - 11:30pm.

system has a lot of holes for abuse. It needs reform.

The welfare reform act of 1996 has cleaned up most of the loopholes. The ones people notice are food stamps & use of medical care. But in many instances, there is a minor U.S.born child that is legally entitled to these basic safety-net services. The impact of illegal immigration is usually felt in overcrowded schools, emergency rooms and uninsured/unlicensed drivers, high density of occupation of houses etc., These are due to low wages paid by exploitative employers rather than any desire by illegals to live poorly. The real criminals are abusive employers who exploit the poverty of illegals. But most of the society's anger gets projected at the migrants rather than the systemic abusers.

Submitted by NotCranky on October 6, 2007 - 12:04am.

There are also many illegals(understatement) in non-credit adult ed. This is for the benefit of companies that need trained low skilled labor and probably to some extent our society . The companies contribute to the support of the system but revenue of course comes from taxes. I am not personally bothered by this unless I am grumpy about the benefits to the corporations.
I don't know if this is still true, but refugees used to get grants to go to college when non -minority and maybe even minority, disadvantaged native borne individuals had to take out loans. This was late 1980's and I was told by many grant recipients,Vietnamese and African mostly, that they were getting 5k per semester purely based on their refugee status.I also did not have a problem with them recieving it for the reasons Nostradamus pointed out in the first post. I have always been for the underdog anyway and these were all very nice kids.

Submitted by bsrsharma on October 6, 2007 - 8:44am.

Rustico: How can the illegals be on non-credit adult ed?

- Don't they need a SSN?
- They should speak/read/write enough English for the ed to be useful. Do many illegals fit that?
- Most illegals come to work; where is the luxury of time to go to school?
- It must be one generous employer to send those folks to school/pay tuition and what assurance the guy will work for the employer. If the guy was a laborer making $8 and becomes a plumber and can make $25, why would he hang on with the employer?
- If it is non-credit, usually there is no state support. It is paid for by the student/sponsor.

Refugees are a completely different group. Firstly, they are entirely legal; then they have a sponsor to bring them over. Since the government knows they are refugees when bringing them in, there is no sense in begrudging some helping hand to make useful citizens out of them. If I go to a shelter and bring a pet with issues, it may cost me (in vets fees) more than the pet I already have. But I accept that risk when I decide to adopt it.

Submitted by NotCranky on October 6, 2007 - 11:40am.

Don't they need a SSN? Any number or NONE will do.

- They should speak/read/write enough English for the ed to
be useful. Do many illegals fit that? Yes most Mexicans can speak some English. Besides many or the classes are "ESL" English as a second language with emphasis on using the "system" and low level employment skills employment including basic computer usage..

- Most illegals come to work; where is the luxury of time to go to school? Dish washers, hotel people, cooks many construction people work second or third shifts. Nights, Saturdays, during layoffs when receiving support from spouses and relatives. When they are married to Americans but still undocumented.
There are educated Brazilians and Japanese on visas and overstaying their visas and getting free education, mostly English. I am happy for them they are either taking English and hopefully something good from our culture home or they are staying here and bringing something good to ours. Lots of happy yankees with Brazilian spouses.Yes it is true we could probably not get free Portuguese lessions in Brazil.
- It must be one generous employer to send those folks to school/pay tuition and what assurance the guy will work for the employer. If the guy was a laborer making $8 and becomes a plumber and can make $25, why would he hang on with the employer?

The employers are "partners" with the system on of the most prominent that I know of, "unnamed company" and the hotel chains. The carrot in front of the face of the employee is the promise of promotions INSIDE the company. "Unnamed company", as far as, I know doesn't employ illegal aliens but an inside source showed me a document that was a high level agenda to employ English language deficient people at higher levels of production. In other words make an American company more of a exclusive "sweatshop". The continuing education system is facilitating this probably innocently. There is zero tuition. I don't know if this company pays or if they are just "good partners" in the community. I am sure their efforts cost them something and you and I too.

- If it is non-credit, usually there is no state support. It is paid for by the student/sponsor.

The budget primarily comes from the state. Many of the students are in fact "sponsored" mostly east Africans at this time. Iraqis next if policy follows a similar path say as Vietnam. Actually we already have a good Iraqi community in San Diego.I notice it most in Rancho San Diego where there is large Chaldean center. They take classes side by side with undocumented individuals.

I hope their is an element of altruism in supporting these new comers. In fact America(governments and corporations) hopes for a return and is doing much of what are original poster is upset about .
I would hope that anyone who expresses hatred for them would at least separate the programs from the people. The saddest part is that I think many still don't trust us(in part due to attitudes like, the original poster's being something they face or fear facing, all the time. This crap certainly can't help us have a better, more cohesive society. As I said on another thread....one should go read the sirnames of the fallen(Americans) in Iraq before going on blabbing about how unfair all of this is.

One thing that bothers me about the original post is the the cadence and language used are akin to "Ebonics" while the poem is about about immigrants. I guess the intention is to be inclusive(sic)? We have a serious "home grown" welfare problem eg. Louisiana, racist clowning around isn't going to help it.

Edit: The funding comes from State, Federal and Non-Profit sources depending on the objective of the class. There classes are also open and free to any of us. There are also quilting classes for elderly, gardening, parenting, parent child classes, almost anything one could think of.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on October 8, 2009 - 9:56am.

"Benefits 'wrecked the British work ethic,' new study claims:"
"The work ethic that inspired successive generations has ebbed away in the face of the welfare state. There are 2.6 million adults who claim the handout meant for the sick and incapable, with around 20 per cent thought to be fully able - but unwilling - to work. The report said: 'It has long been recognised that generous unemployment benefits create moral hazard - workers are partly protected against the consequences of being unemployed, so they are less likely to search for jobs with the same intensity.'"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 8, 2009 - 10:04am.

what if there's no work that needs to be done? Is that laziness/

Submitted by moneymaker on October 8, 2009 - 10:36am.

How would a refugee know somebody here that would vow to support them for 5 years when they themslves are being supported by the government? I think words like "most" are similar to looking the other way. I'm absolutely positive there are muslims in this country as refugees, getting tax money that are at the same time plotting to overthrow our government,possibly even sending some of that money back to the country they came from.

Years ago I was for open borders,competition at it's best. Right now I just want the laws on the books inforced or removed from the books. I read today that Arizona is checking on prisoners to find out if they are US citizens. I'm shocked, shouldn't every state have been doing this all along! Perhaps our mistake was letting the Employers off and not demanding jail time.

After finding out a prisoner is illegal shouldn't that state get reimbursed by the Federal government because they let them in in the first place,it might just be enough money to shore up CA's budget shortfall.

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