We Know the Birth History of Every President Save One

Submitted by mike92104 on July 19, 2009 - 1:18pm.

I do think it is interesting that the obama camp is fighting this tooth and nail rather than just proving his citizenship right from the beginning to end the controversy. I think at this point it has to be demanded from us before allowing him to continue his presidency.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on July 19, 2009 - 1:27pm.

Where have you seen him fighting it tooth and nail?

Submitted by NotCranky on July 19, 2009 - 1:38pm.

The tabloid/conspiracy style of the piece just removes all notions of possible legitimacy to the complaint. If you really have something you can do better than this. It makes me wonder if people are taking drugs.

Submitted by Eugene on July 19, 2009 - 2:50pm.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/oba...

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Oba...

(via Snopes)

There's one thing I don't understand about this conspiracy theory. Do these guys believe that Ann Dunham wasn't his mother? If they don't, where was Barack Obama born, in their opinion? Is there evidence that his mother got a passport (let alone plane tickets) that allowed her to travel outside the U.S.? Recall that she was 18 at the time. And even if she were stupid enough to go on an extended vacation abreod during the third trimester, bringing a newborn baby into the country had to involve jumping through legal hoops, like registering his birth at the local consulate. Is there any evidence that any of that happened?

Submitted by patb on July 19, 2009 - 3:13pm.

Eugene wrote:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Oba...

(via Snopes)

There's one thing I don't understand about this conspiracy theory. Do these guys believe that Ann Dunham wasn't his mother? If they don't, where was Barack Obama born, in their opinion? Is there evidence that his mother got a passport (let alone plane tickets) that allowed her to travel outside the U.S.? Recall that she was 18 at the time. And even if she were stupid enough to go on an extended vacation abreod during the third trimester, bringing a newborn baby into the country had to involve jumping through legal hoops, like registering his birth at the local consulate. Is there any evidence that any of that happened?

the theory is that his mother was a minor so she can't convey citizenship
only an adult can do that, so if he was born overseas, he's an illegal alien.

Submitted by no_such_reality on July 19, 2009 - 3:30pm.

He won, get over it.

Submitted by Mark Holmes on July 19, 2009 - 3:30pm.

Best way to get these people to let it go? Ignore it. Until someone gives us what they are asking repeatedly for from President Obama (which he has given already), namely, proof he was born anywhere OTHER than Hawaii, we just need to tune them out. It's up to them to come forward with some evidence that he was not born where he says he was...

...nutjobs....

Submitted by PadreBrian on July 19, 2009 - 4:02pm.

You can't fake 48 year old birth announcements. This is pretty much stfu:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLE...

Submitted by svelte on July 19, 2009 - 5:05pm.

(a) I do believe this topic header should have started with "OT".

(b) Un Freakin Believable that this is still being discussed. Un Freakin Believable.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on July 19, 2009 - 6:08pm.

no_such_reality-
"He won, get over it."
Ahmadinejad won. Get over it.
Bush won. Get over it. Tedious isn't it?

Submitted by partypup on July 19, 2009 - 6:20pm.

Eugene wrote:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser0000.gif

http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/Oba...

(via Snopes)

There's one thing I don't understand about this conspiracy theory. Do these guys believe that Ann Dunham wasn't his mother? If they don't, where was Barack Obama born, in their opinion? Is there evidence that his mother got a passport (let alone plane tickets) that allowed her to travel outside the U.S.? Recall that she was 18 at the time. And even if she were stupid enough to go on an extended vacation abreod during the third trimester, bringing a newborn baby into the country had to involve jumping through legal hoops, like registering his birth at the local consulate. Is there any evidence that any of that happened?

I agree with the comment earlier. This video is way too tabloid-esque. And every time Gibbs speaks on any subject he is just too painful to watch.

You are confused about the "conspiracy" theory. I think I can help you out. Forget the theory. Forget about how old his mother was, which hospital he was born in, and whether or when his mother was ever in Kenya around the time of his birth.

Obama can do one thing right now - for $29.95 plus shipping and handling - that will put an end to all this crazy talk: allow any one of two dozens plaintiffs in as many states to simply request his b.c directly from the Sec'y of State of Hawaii. What harm would this cause the administration? That is the question I would like an answer to, and it is a question that I have never received an answer to. And I am just not convinced that this is a "nutjob" request. I, for one, have never been called a nutjob by anyone who has been personally acquainted with me, and I'm sure if my employer suspected that I was a nutjob I would not have been put in charge of their West Coast division with an operating budget that is tens of millions of dollars. So I think we need to be careful with the "nutjob" label, as reasonable minds can and often do differ.

If Obama allowed his detractors to take the action above rather than spending so much time, money and effort in courts fighting this issue, and if the birth certificate that is produced independently by the Sec'y of State (and not by the Obama campaign or the White House) states that Obama was born in Hawaii, then the "conspiracy" theorists have no case whatosever, and if they continue to complain that he is illegitimate, then they are truly nutjobs. You certainly won't ever hear me bring the subject up again if I see this kind of evidence.

But at this point it seems too early to label anyone a nutjob since the evidence that has been produced by Obama is so problematic because it was not produced by a governmental entity. Consider this: if I am applying for a jumbo loan today, I will need to provide proof of my income and assets. Now, what form will that proof take? Will the lender simply take my word for it? Luckily, banks are prudent enough today to require such proof from independent, non-interested sources such as my employer and my bank. Because I think we all know what happened when banks took people at their word. But it simply will not do for me to assure a lender that I have worked at my company for 10 years and that I have plenty of cash in the bank. Understandably, they realize that not everyone can be trusted. When I applied to the CA bar they didn't allow me to go home and fingerprint myself and send the prints in with my application. Instead, I was required to go to a police station and be fingerprinted, and they sent them directly to the Bar. These aren't perfect analogies, I know, but I hope you'll get the idea here. We operate in a society in which no one takes us at our word for major purchases, benefits, insurance, etc.

Banks (wisely, now) do not trust loan applicants to be truthful, and the CA bar is similarly cautious. So why would we assume that an elected official justifies trust that a loan or bar applicant does not even receive...?

Now, pardon me while I go buy a nice, stiff scrub brush. I'm sure I'll need it after the tarring and feathering I will receive on this board ;-)

Submitted by Zeitgeist on July 19, 2009 - 6:27pm.

All excellent points and I do not think you are a nutjob, but I have been called a lot worse. The money generated would help Hawaii, too.

Submitted by GH on July 19, 2009 - 7:38pm.

Even if Obama was determined not to be a legitimate US Citizen, which given his mother IS a US Citizen, it seems to me Congress and the Senate would rush to amend the constitution to allow his presidency to continue, so I recon this angle is moot. I am FAR more concerned about other issues on his plate.

Submitted by drboom on July 19, 2009 - 9:13pm.

Oh good grief. I like a good conspiracy theory, but this isn't one of them.

The current theorists suppose that the Republicans and their various opposition research teams are completely incompetent. I think we can depend on them for stuff like this: they may have trouble winning elections lately, but I'm sure their dirt-digging skills are undiminished.

You can bet that if there was a shred of doubt about Obama's citizenship it would have been raised early on in the presidential campaign.

Submitted by yooklid on July 19, 2009 - 9:35pm.

This really is flogging a dead horse. If you don't like Obama, I think it's better to focus on his policies and attack those.

Submitted by Colombo on July 19, 2009 - 10:03pm.

What a Bunch of Wingnut Hoo-hah.

Is there any serious doubt that Obama is a natural born citizen?

While the constitution provides the requirements for the office of the President, US law provides the definition of who is a "natural born citizen", or expressed differently, who is a citizen at birth as opposed to a naturalized citizen.

All you wingnuts are fixated on the Hawaiian birth certificate or lack thereof. You miss the point.

Obama could have been born on Mars and he would still be a natural born citizen because his mother was a citizen and she lived in the US for at least five years prior to Obama's birth. 8 USC Section 1401. At least two of these required 5 years had to have been achieved after the citizen parent was 14.

His mother's age at the time of his birth is only relevant insofar as the residency requirements. Because 2 of the required 5 years must be after the age of 14, only a citizen parent 16 years or older would be able to meet this mathematical requirement.

Mrs. Obama was a citizen and met the residency requirements to pass on her citizenship to her child at birth. Thus Obama was and is a natural born citizen as defined by US law.

Read the law. 8 USC 1401. Read it.

It is funny to remember that when McCain was running in 2000 that this same topic came up because he was born in the Canal Zone.

Similarly, John Kerry was born in Switzerland.

Both of those gentlemen were and are "Natural Born Citizens" as defined by applicable US law.

End of story.

Back to your National Enquirers.

Submitted by paramount on July 19, 2009 - 10:42pm.

Colombo wrote:
What a Bunch of Wingnut Hoo-hah.

Is there any serious doubt that Obama is a natural born citizen?

While the constitution provides the requirements for the office of the President, US law provides the definition of who is a "natural born citizen", or expressed differently, who is a citizen at birth as opposed to a naturalized citizen.

All you wingnuts are fixated on the Hawaiian birth certificate or lack thereof. You miss the point.

Obama could have been born on Mars and he would still be a natural born citizen because his mother was a citizen and she lived in the US for at least five years prior to Obama's birth. 8 USC Section 1401. At least two of these required 5 years had to have been achieved after the citizen parent was 14.

His mother's age at the time of his birth is only relevant insofar as the residency requirements. Because 2 of the required 5 years must be after the age of 14, only a citizen parent 16 years or older would be able to meet this mathematical requirement.

Mrs. Obama was a citizen and met the residency requirements to pass on her citizenship to her child at birth. Thus Obama was and is a natural born citizen as defined by US law.

Read the law. 8 USC 1401. Read it.

It is funny to remember that when McCain was running in 2000 that this same topic came up because he was born in the Canal Zone.

Similarly, John Kerry was born in Switzerland.

Both of those gentlemen were and are "Natural Born Citizens" as defined by applicable US law.

End of story.

Back to your National Enquirers.

End of the story for you maybe: the law you refer to was not the law at the time of birth.

"US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16. "

Submitted by Eugene on July 20, 2009 - 1:12am.

patb wrote:
the theory is that his mother was a minor so she can't convey citizenship
only an adult can do that, so if he was born overseas, he's an illegal alien.

Is there any evidence that he was born overseas? Is there a record of a passport being issued to his mother at any time between 1959-1961? Is there a record of an international plane ticket issued in her or his name in 1961? Is there a record of a request by his mother to a U.S. consulate to issue/recognize a birth certificate (since you obviously can't just bring a newborn baby into the country without getting in touch with the consulate)? Are there witnesses to any of the above?

Or is this whole theory based on the statement that the photocopy of his birth certificate looks suspicious?

Submitted by ocrenter on July 20, 2009 - 6:35am.

Colombo wrote:
Both of those gentlemen were and are "Natural Born Citizens" as defined by applicable US law.

Colombo, but you are missing the point!

Karry looks American
McCain looks American too

But Obama looks like a Kenyan and his name rhythms with Osama. Therefore he can't possibly be American!

btw, do you think this Kenyan Muslim guy has been in touch with those darn aliens with that base on the dark side of the moon? LOL

Submitted by Chris Scoreboar... on July 20, 2009 - 6:56am.

It is about time for his famous, F... you I won take isn't it? Usually when there are disagreements that is his final say on it. The Ultimate Scoreboard Take. I hate Obama but love that take, it is hysterical.

It is time to move on, even if something is amiss here it is too late. They did get over on the public and we are seeing what a terrible mistake those who voted for him made. However, having him thrown out now leaves us with the village idiot as president which might be worse.

Submitted by Arraya on July 20, 2009 - 7:16am.

This is a silly distraction conspiracy in a conspiracy-filled world.

The hard right took the bait on this one and lived up to sterotypes. Hook, line and sinker. Also the more gullible of tin hat crowd bought it just because we live in a cesspole of lies that is hard to tell what is true or not.

I still maintain this is a carefully constructed conspiracy to create a psychological effect rather than a lone nutball that hates Obama.

Psyops (psychological operations) and Cointelpro(counter intelligence programs)

Psychological Operations (PSYOP, PSYOPS) are techniques used by any set of groups to influence a target audience's value systems, belief systems, emotions, motives, reasoning, and behavior. PSYOPS are used to induce confessions or reinforce attitudes and behaviors favorable to the originator's objectives, and are sometimes combined with black operations or false flag tactics. Target audiences can be governments, organizations, groups, and individuals

COINTELPRO (an acronym for Counter Intelligence Program) was a series of covert, and often illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at investigating and disrupting dissident political organizations within the United States

It's still not as stupid as the green shoots conspiracy..

Submitted by partypup on July 20, 2009 - 9:59am.

GH wrote:
Even if Obama was determined not to be a legitimate US Citizen, which given his mother IS a US Citizen, it seems to me Congress and the Senate would rush to amend the constitution to allow his presidency to continue, so I recon this angle is moot.

Actually, I think you're right. But I also believe that people deserve to know the truth about their Commander-in-Chief so that the issue is out in the open and in the future, should the issue come up again, we take the inquiries more seriously and ask the hard questions BEFORE someone is sworn into office.The quest for the truth is the enemy of any elected official.

Submitted by just someone on July 20, 2009 - 10:07am.

Can you please discuss the other major candidate? Keep that loser in the news, too.

He was was not born on US soil, and citizenship convey by law... he was definitely not a US citizen for a period of time.

Submitted by SK in CV on July 20, 2009 - 10:17am.

No he's not right. And neither are you.

partypup wrote:
GH wrote:
Even if Obama was determined not to be a legitimate US Citizen, which given his mother IS a US Citizen, it seems to me Congress and the Senate would rush to amend the constitution to allow his presidency to continue, so I recon this angle is moot.

Actually, I think you're right. But I also believe that people deserve to know the truth about their Commander-in-Chief so that the issue is out in the open and in the future, should the issue come up again, we take the inquiries more seriously and ask the hard questions BEFORE someone is sworn into office.The quest for the truth is the enemy of any elected official.

First, congress can't amend the constitution. That right is afforded the states, and requires 3/4 of the states to ratify an amendment. It's unlikely it could be done quickly.

Second, the inquiries were taken seriously. Obama has provided a certified copy of his birth certificate (In the case of Hawaii, they issue a document called "Certificate of Live Birth").

This discussion should have been over a year ago.

Submitted by gromit on July 20, 2009 - 11:01am.

paramount wrote:
Colombo wrote:
What a Bunch of Wingnut Hoo-hah.

Is there any serious doubt that Obama is a natural born citizen?

While the constitution provides the requirements for the office of the President, US law provides the definition of who is a "natural born citizen", or expressed differently, who is a citizen at birth as opposed to a naturalized citizen.

All you wingnuts are fixated on the Hawaiian birth certificate or lack thereof. You miss the point.

Obama could have been born on Mars and he would still be a natural born citizen because his mother was a citizen and she lived in the US for at least five years prior to Obama's birth. 8 USC Section 1401. At least two of these required 5 years had to have been achieved after the citizen parent was 14.

His mother's age at the time of his birth is only relevant insofar as the residency requirements. Because 2 of the required 5 years must be after the age of 14, only a citizen parent 16 years or older would be able to meet this mathematical requirement.

Mrs. Obama was a citizen and met the residency requirements to pass on her citizenship to her child at birth. Thus Obama was and is a natural born citizen as defined by US law.

Read the law. 8 USC 1401. Read it.

It is funny to remember that when McCain was running in 2000 that this same topic came up because he was born in the Canal Zone.

Similarly, John Kerry was born in Switzerland.

Both of those gentlemen were and are "Natural Born Citizens" as defined by applicable US law.

End of story.

Back to your National Enquirers.

End of the story for you maybe: the law you refer to was not the law at the time of birth.

"US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S. Citizen is a fact.

Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born. This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16. "

Almost there, but not quite.

At the time Obama was born, the law stated that a person would be considered a “natural born citizen” if either parent was a citizen who had lived at least 10 years in the U.S., including five years after the age of 14—in other words, 19.

Obama's mother was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born. But subsequent acts of Congress relaxed the requirement to five years in the U.S., including just two years after the age of 14, meaning Dunham could have been 16 and still qualified even if Obama was born in another country. Congress made the law retroactive to 1952, doubly covering Obama.

So even if Obama had been born in Kenya... he's still a natural-born U.S. citizen.

Submitted by afx114 on July 20, 2009 - 11:41am.

Like Sarah Palin, the Dems/administration/Left would probably prefer this meme to stick around than to go away because of the way it paints its proponents. Take from that what you will.

Submitted by IONEGARM on July 20, 2009 - 12:01pm.

"We Know the Birth History of Every President Save One"

Actually we know all the birth histories of every president, you just refuse to accept it.

The tin foil hat crowd is always a lot of fun.

Submitted by Casca on July 20, 2009 - 1:38pm.

I love the collective shoutdown technique of the left. We do not know where this man was born. We do know that he was adopted by an Indonesian man with his mother's consent when he was a child. When that happened, and he went to live in Indonesia, he became an Indonesian citizen. What's with that?

Submitted by IONEGARM on July 20, 2009 - 1:58pm.

Casca wrote:
I love the collective shoutdown technique of the left. We do not know where this man was born. We do know that he was adopted by an Indonesian man with his mother's consent when he was a child. When that happened, and he went to live in Indonesia, he became an Indonesian citizen. What's with that?

Ok, lets say its true he got dual citizenship. The constitution doesn't address dual citizenship at all only the requirement of being a natural born citizen.

So even assuming you know what you are talking about, you are still wrong.

I also like how you think people are on the left for not believing you. Like a right winger can't think you're a complete nutjob.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on July 20, 2009 - 1:59pm.

Casca wrote:
I love the collective shoutdown technique of the left. We do not know where this man was born. We do know that he was adopted by an Indonesian man with his mother's consent when he was a child. When that happened, and he went to live in Indonesia, he became an Indonesian citizen. What's with that?

If everybody says your an idiot, it might just be because you are one.

But hey, feel free to assert that everyone who thinks that is some sort of member of the party. If you hear voices telling you things from the radio, then that might be us too.

Dan Cassidy
Member 192450
Lieutenant
Zionist Occupational Government and Socialist Workers Party.

Also, I have put a chip in your filling. Try not to grind your teeth so much.

Nanu Nanu.

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