Waking up: veganism: cholesterol.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 22, 2022 - 7:21am

Sometimes a switch just flips in your head and everything's different. You're going along, and you think you're you, fixed, but really you aren't who you think you are. One day you're a corpse eater, next day you're not. All kinds of awakenings are possible.

But setting aside spirituality, becoming a teetotaller vegan can really dent your cholesterol. I've had bad borderline high readings all my middle aged life, worsening slowly with age, no good cholesterol, lots of bad, triglycerides marching upward, in spite of lots of physical activity and a "reasonably" healthy diet by modern American standards. ...but this last round...solidly good. Wild.

It's almost like the universe wants me to care about suffering and the environment.

It could also have nothing to do with veganism, just being way more mindful of snacking and eating zero processed "food" or "bars" or "treats" (am I a dog?) or sugar added foods, but it's all part of a general awareness to be slow, be mindful, do what you know is right.

173 total
55 hdl
105 hdl
75 triglycerides
3.3 ratio.

Even if the readings were bad or the same, I'd stick with veganism, because it's like I saw something I can't unsee, but this is a sign to me that something was off on how I was living.

I was definitely headed toward statins...which would've really bummed me out...

Radical change is possible in a single moment of awakening.

Submitted by barnaby33 on September 23, 2022 - 11:41am.

I can't decide whether, "testify, or, "bless yer heart," is the appropriate response.
Josh

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 23, 2022 - 1:50pm.

everything is impermanent.

Submitted by phaster on September 25, 2022 - 7:40pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:

Radical change is possible in a single moment of awakening.

let's hope more people wake up soon AND fully realize the fact that we live on a blue dot w/ finite resources

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO5FwsblpT8

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 26, 2022 - 10:01am.

beautiful blue dot. the video is awesome. I'm of the opinion lately that we are incapable of changing and deserve to just die out.in fact im certain of it.

Submitted by svelte on October 2, 2022 - 8:09pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
I'm of the opinion lately that we are incapable of changing and deserve to just die out.in fact im certain of it.

I'm with you scaredy. I've slowly come to that opinion myself over the last 10-20 years.

Not sure if any of you watch the music reaction videos on YouTube, my wife and I are kind of addicted to them. It is fun to see a song through someone's eyes/ears the first time they hear it. Brad & Lex's channel is one of our favorites. They were just talking about change in a video they released this week covering David Bowie's "Changes":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU1i4q2z...

Watch their conversation towards the end of the video.

I think of them as very young, yet they are already saying the folks younger than them are weird! The circle of life is making another revolution. Yet not much has changed.

Time may change me. But I can't trace time.

Submitted by phaster on October 16, 2022 - 12:22pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
beautiful blue dot. the video is awesome. I'm of the opinion lately that we are incapable of changing and deserve to just die out.in fact im certain of it.

sigh,... the unfortunate fact of the matter is too many on both sides of the political spectrum worship at the same alter (of money and material goods)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIxJhKKc...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXwr5PjmiU

https://www.christianpost.com/news/trump...

https://religioninpublic.blog/2017/01/26...

simply said people in general don't think about or want to acknowledge the fact that there is a price humanity (as a whole) is going to pay because of worshiping material goods

Quote:

...according to a new study, if you want to know what’s really driving the impact on the planet, you need to look past the obvious primary factors taking a toll on the environment – like industry and agriculture – and instead realise whose needs those things are servicing.

From that perspective, researchers say household consumers are by far the biggest drain on the planet, which makes for a very different picture to purely nation-focused analyses of environmental impact. In other words, before we start blaming whole countries for the state of the planet, we should probably be looking at our own habits and demands.

www.sciencealert.com/consumers-have-a-bi...

Submitted by sdrealtor on October 16, 2022 - 5:01pm.

Sadly we weren’t all born into inherit apartment complex, entitlement helps

Submitted by flyer on October 16, 2022 - 6:13pm.

With even greater sadness, regardless of how much we all have or don't have, if the planet goes, so do we.

Submitted by an on October 16, 2022 - 6:47pm.

flyer wrote:
With even greater sadness, regardless of how much we all have or don't have, if the planet goes, so do we.

If the meteor that took out the dinosaur didn't destroy the planet, I'm certain we can't destroy the planet as badly as the meteor did.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 16, 2022 - 8:47pm.

Lots of species are going extinct quickly. Why not us?

Submitted by an on October 16, 2022 - 9:13pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Lots of species are going extinct quickly. Why not us?

Darwin

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 17, 2022 - 2:20am.

an wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Lots of species are going extinct quickly. Why not us?

Darwin

If the earth were real estate, and we were tenants, the landlord would have evicted our shitty selves generations ago . We are like tenants ehobsetvupnavmethblab in the kitchen and crap in the front yard

Submitted by an on October 17, 2022 - 11:34am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
an wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
Lots of species are going extinct quickly. Why not us?

Darwin

If the earth were real estate, and we were tenants, the landlord would have evicted our shitty selves generations ago . We are like tenants ehobsetvupnavmethblab in the kitchen and crap in the front yard


We're tenant living in CA

Submitted by ocrenter on October 24, 2022 - 10:46pm.

good for you scaredy!

veganism is the way to go.

not quite sure why people are so set in their ways regarding animal products. especially given the proven cancer risks and most definitely the cardiovascular harm.

it is kinda like, ok, I'm going to eat this thing that I know will cause me harm, I know animals had to live a painful and tortuous life and die for this, and the earth will pay dearly for this, but I must continue to do this because I'm conditioned to believe this is normal and this is my right.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 25, 2022 - 11:00am.

it is quite remarkable to me how a switch can flip and what seemed impossible to me, even when I had gone vegetarian (become a vegan? you gotta be kidding; pizza!); and then suddenly, it is absolutely clear and easy. On vacation, a couple times, I subjectively felt "pressured" into deviating a bit into vegetarianism; some egg in a burrito I was sharing with my wife.

I'm not an absolute purist, I recognize it doesn't really matter if I eat a bit of cheese or egg to be polite or share but this rare exception made me realize how unnecessary any deviation really is.

the egg was ok, I didn't freak out, or get all dramatic, but I definitely thought about the chicken who suffered, and tried to be as grateful as I could be for that bit of egg.

To have an actual piece of dead animal body meat, though, i don't think I could ever do that again. I'd rather go hungry for a couple weeks. Vancouver is a very vegan friendly town, options everywhere, and the tide is definitely moving in favor of veganism.

Submitted by phaster on November 13, 2022 - 10:36am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
it is quite remarkable to me how a switch can flip and what seemed impossible to me, even when I had gone vegetarian (become a vegan? you gotta be kidding; pizza!); and then suddenly, it is absolutely clear and easy.

the inconvenient truth is,... too few people are taught in school or are able to learn on their on there own that there are consequence to the personal choices we make (such as the food we consume)

there was NYT article that caught my eye about the state of the educational system,...

Quote:

What Do Middle Schools Teach About Climate Change? Not Much.

...A decade ago, 26 states and several groups representing teachers and scientists unveiled the Next Generation Science Standards. Since then 45 states and the District of Columbia have adopted the standards or similar ones.

But at the middle school level, even the Next Generation standards include only one standard out of about 60 that explicitly mentions climate change.

...A curriculum doesn’t exist until it enters the classroom. And since so many of the middle school Next Generation Science Standards have connections to climate change but don’t explicitly mention them, it can be a major opportunity for teachers.

But researchers have found that many teachers received little climate education themselves.

...According to teachers, one of the main challenges is a lack of good supplemental materials.

...it is unsurprising that teachers turn to online materials. But the information they find there may be outdated, inaccurate or simply not suitable for children. The Climate Literacy and Energy Awareness Network, an organization that provides free climate education materials, found that only 700 of the 30,000 free online materials they reviewed were accurate and suitable for use in schools.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/01/clima...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/11/podca...

the educational system needs to do away w/ woke influence,... I say this because seems too much emphasis is placed on is placed on idiotic stuff like gender pronouns at the expense of teaching the basic idea of being able to differentiate a "want" vs a "need"

if more people were able to differentiate a "want" vs a "need" then more people would switch and consume less animal protein

Submitted by ocrenter on November 29, 2022 - 12:06am.

crazy how young vegans look compared to carnivores.

red meat and dairy products contain Neu5Gc, a naturally produced carcinogen. this is for all red meat and dairy, regardless of "grass fed" or "organic" or "free range."

not enough to just be vegan, got to be whole grain vegan as the processed refined carbs are horrible for triglycerides.

Submitted by an on November 29, 2022 - 12:53am.

Interesting... When I was 14, my omnivore mom was mistaken to be my sister by my classmate. I wonder how much younger she would have looked if she didn't eat meat.

My omnivore wife was mistaken, by my kid's middle school admin, to be a student when she was there for a school event. I wonder if she'd be mistaken as an elementary student of she was a vegan.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 29, 2022 - 1:22pm.

Ethical reasons are I believe the only way to sustain veganism. Health is too murky and selfish to keep one inbounds.

Submitted by ocrenter on November 30, 2022 - 7:38am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Ethical reasons are I believe the only way to sustain veganism. Health is too murky and selfish to keep one inbounds.

True, if people would be motivated to eat for health, we wouldn’t be dealing with a 70% overweight/obesity rate…

Submitted by ocrenter on November 30, 2022 - 7:42am.

an wrote:
Interesting... When I was 14, my omnivore mom was mistaken to be my sister by my classmate. I wonder how much younger she would have looked if she didn't eat meat.

My omnivore wife was mistaken, by my kid's middle school admin, to be a student when she was there for a school event. I wonder if she'd be mistaken as an elementary student of she was a vegan.

Sorry to say race might have something to do with that.

My wife was visiting me at work about 15 years ago, one of the nurses yelled “hey kid, what are you doing here?”

Then there was the time when my wife and daughter (10 at the time) were together having lunch and someone asked if they were sisters.

Submitted by an on November 30, 2022 - 12:23pm.

ocrenter wrote:
an wrote:
Interesting... When I was 14, my omnivore mom was mistaken to be my sister by my classmate. I wonder how much younger she would have looked if she didn't eat meat.

My omnivore wife was mistaken, by my kid's middle school admin, to be a student when she was there for a school event. I wonder if she'd be mistaken as an elementary student of she was a vegan.

Sorry to say race might have something to do with that.

My wife was visiting me at work about 15 years ago, one of the nurses yelled “hey kid, what are you doing here?”

Then there was the time when my wife and daughter (10 at the time) were together having lunch and someone asked if they were sisters.


Nature vs nurture :-D

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