Trump presidency predictions

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Submitted by zk on December 8, 2016 - 2:37pm

Let's hear your predictions for trump's presidency. In 4 (or, god forbid, 8) years, we'll see who was right. Some of my predictions are on these threads:

http://piggington.com/its_bad_day_human_...

http://piggington.com/ot_predictions_201...

and I'll make some more here soon.

In the mean time, if any of you trump voters are actually bold enough to predict good things, let's see it right here where we can all access it in 4 years.

Submitted by zk on February 2, 2017 - 12:33pm.

When I saw a list of "signs of fascism" and saw something about "religion and government intertwined" and I thought, "well, at least trump isn't going down that road." It was the only item of 14 on the list that didn't seem right up trump's alley.

I should've known better. This is how it starts:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/tr...

Fascism is on its way, whether you like it or not.

Normally, I wouldn't say, "vote democrat" or "vote republican." I like to take each issue on its own merits, and each politician on his own merits. But, if the republicans are going to swallow whatever trump shoves down their throats (and so far, with the exception of 2 senators on the DeVos nomination, they appear to be doing just that), it seems to me that, if you don't want fascism, you need to vote democrat in 2018.

If you want fascism to continue, be sure to vote republican in 2018.

Submitted by harvey on February 2, 2017 - 2:00pm.

Trump renews promise to roll back law limiting political activity by churches

As wrong as this is in principle, it won't change much in practice. Do you really think people who are influenced by their church are going to be more influenced because the pastor can be more direct in their political bias? The churchgoers have already made up their minds.

Of course Trump supporters aren't dismayed at this point. They choose him because they are enamored by his theatrics and all he has done so far is carry on the theater. The real test will be his response to a real crisis or undeniable data. If the market tanks, we suffer a military loss, employment takes a turn for the worse, healthcare becomes less available ... stuff that really affects lives, then the show won't be so entertaining.

I'm not concerned about bad things happening - I'm concerned about how Trump reacts when they do. How will he react in order to save face, and will it start to spiral? ...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 2, 2017 - 3:24pm.

ZK, here's an interesting listen on Bannon from an "elitist" source.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/02/513041005/...

Submitted by zk on February 4, 2017 - 1:56pm.

He doesn't get that he's not a dictator. I don't think he ever will.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/tr...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 6, 2017 - 1:27am.

"Well, you think our country is so innocent?" Trump repeated this twice.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...

I agree with Trump and we should make amends for our past mistakes.. But I disagree with regard to Russia and Putin.

Fighting is escalating in Ukraine and Trump has been silent. Something really odd is going on with Trump's deference to Putin.

Submitted by zk on February 6, 2017 - 2:38pm.

Well, it just keeps getting worse. This is, without question, the scariest thing I've ever read in my life:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre...

Steve Bannon is a madman.

"Lenin wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down.”

- Steve Bannon

Here's another article:

http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/step...

I wasn't even looking and I found these two articles right next to each other. I'm sure a brief bit of research would turn up much more terrifying info about this lunatic.

I'm curious what you trump voters think of this. Oh, that's right. Nobody voted for trump.

Submitted by zk on February 6, 2017 - 3:12pm.

And here's the other problem:

From the second article above:

"I hope responsible GOP legislators and cabinet members will digest and counter [Steve Bannon's views]. Otherwise, we should all be very afraid."

"Responsible GOP legislators" is an oxymoron any more. They're in lock step with trump, and therefore with Bannon. A man whose stated goal is to bring everything crashing down. Pathetic, cowardly losers.

Submitted by zk on February 6, 2017 - 6:44pm.
Submitted by zk on February 6, 2017 - 6:50pm.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...

And it turns out Conway lied about lying. What a surprise.

Submitted by zk on February 7, 2017 - 10:19am.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/he...

And another winner looks to join the trump administration. Let's take the FDA and stop it from protecting consumers. Jesus.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 7, 2017 - 11:48am.

And the Trumpkins are all fine with all of that. What does it tell you about them?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 9, 2017 - 11:28am.

Here's another one, ZK.
The Trump people are so incredibly ignorant. And they don't care.

Oh,Atlanta is close enough to Orlando.

Or Koreans or Chinese.... oh they're the same.

Or Iraqii, Turks and Iranians.... they're all arabs... except they're not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn...

Submitted by zk on February 14, 2017 - 10:26am.

WTF is with this steven miller dude? Listen to him. He's like a 14-year-old trying to be tough (particularly at 6:21 in the video). Who responds positively to that? Even most trump voters aren't emotionally stunted enough to respond to that. Are they?

Might as well get a few laughs while you're listening to him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F3tKTva...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 14, 2017 - 2:57pm.

zk wrote:
WTF is with this steven miller dude? Listen to him. He's like a 14-year-old trying to be tough (particularly at 6:21 in the video). Who responds positively to that? Even most trump voters aren't emotionally stunted enough to respond to that. Are they?

Might as well get a few laughs while you're listening to him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F3tKTva...

I watch the Sunday shows. This Stephen Miller dude is the most entertaining and scary member of the admin. I think he's only 32. His bio is interesting having grown up in Santa Monica. I think he's mentally unstable. I wouldn't be surprised at some ignoble ending some years down the road.

Edit: Thinking about this a little more, this dude shows the typical signs of radicalization.

Submitted by spdrun on February 14, 2017 - 3:25pm.

Miller appears to be fit the "self-hating Jew" stereotype, similarly to Roy Cohn. (Coincidentally, Cohn was Trump's mentor -- he died of AIDS in the 80s, still believing that he had liver cancer.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 14, 2017 - 4:34pm.

spdrun wrote:
Miller appears to be fit the "self-hating Jew" stereotype, similarly to Roy Cohn. (Coincidentally, Cohn was Trump's mentor -- he died of AIDS in the 80s, still believing that he had liver cancer.

I don't know about Cohn. Very interesting.

The self-hating concept is interesting. I know a few non-white Trump supporters and I call them honorary rednecks. The concepts of identity and assimilation, and nationalism are so interesting to me. I find that so odd and anti-reason because we are all humans.

I know a senior German American immigrant who is a Trump supporter. He grew up in Germany across from Alsace, France. They were forbidden to learn or speak French (such a waste because bilingual people have better brain health). That area was traded between France and Germany over centuries. For all we know, his DNA could be more French than German. Or he could a descendant of a Spanish soldier in the service of the local Bishop who impregnated a local peasant woman.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 14, 2017 - 8:04pm.

ZK, don't you think that after no drama Obama, we're living interesting times? All self induced.

It's like Trump's own life. He could have wisely invested his inheritance and become wealthier not doing much. He created all the drama for no tangible return but an eventful life, i suppose.

Submitted by zk on February 14, 2017 - 9:56pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
ZK, don't you think that after no drama Obama, we're living interesting times? All self induced.

It's like Trump's own life. He could have wisely invested his inheritance and become wealthier not doing much. He created all the drama for no tangible return but an eventful life, i suppose.

I think he wanted his name in big, gold letters on top of a tall building, and he didn't care who he had to cheat, lie to, or steal from to get it. Then that wasn't enough, so he wanted his name on the most important door in the world, and he didn't care who he had to cheat, lie to, or steal from to get it. Unfortunately for him, it's harder to cheat, lie, and steal when the whole world is watching.

Gotta say, though, he's giving it a run. The whole world is watching, and still he lies. Not politician-type lies. Mental illness (narcissist-in-denial and pathological liar)-type lies. So far, he's kind of getting away with it. I mean, really, what consequences has he suffered as a result of his lies? He dismisses any news reports of his lies as fake news, and he dismisses any entertainer who mocks him as "overrated." At least half the citizens know he's constantly lying, but he doesn't care about citizens. And congressional republicans, who have real power to create consequences for him, are a bunch of craven losers.

So far, the republicans are pretty much in lock step with trump, being the pathetic, cowardly fools that they are. I'm sure there's discontented grumbling in republican back rooms right now. Probably a whole lot of it. I think that, unless trump changes his act soon, that discontent will increase. And I think there's a decent possibility that, at some point, that discontent will reach a critical mass. That critical mass won't be reached when the country is in danger. None of them give a damn about the country. This critical mass will be reached when (if) republicans calculate that, unless they get rid of trump, they'll lose any shot at reelection. Then, en masse, they'll turn on trump. They'll have no trouble finding something to impeach him on, and that's what they'll do (if that critical mass is reached).

Be careful what you wish for, though, unless you're uber-conservative. Mike Pence is on deck.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 15, 2017 - 10:33am.

i don't think Republicans would impeach Trump. That would tarnish their brand.

If the democrats retake congress next year, they'll just conduct investigations until the end of the term. And that would paralyze the presidency.

Trump is about to become a failed president, which is bad for our country.

Submitted by zk on February 15, 2017 - 1:50pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
i don't think Republicans would impeach Trump. That would tarnish their brand.

I think they'll impeach him if keeping him tarnishes their brand more than impeaching him. That's all they care about, is their brand.

Submitted by zk on February 15, 2017 - 1:54pm.

Flynn is out, and now it looks like Puzder is, too.

You know why their replacements will be better than them? It's certainly not because trump is coming to his senses, or anything like that. It's because trump's first picks (for these positions, the same as almost all of his appointees) were absolutely the worst possible picks. So anything else has to be better.

Submitted by La Jolla Renter on February 15, 2017 - 2:48pm.

zk wrote:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/health/with-fda-vacancy-trump-sees-chance-to-speed-drugs-to-the-market.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

And another winner looks to join the trump administration. Let's take the FDA and stop it from protecting consumers. Jesus.

Are you implying that the FDA has been doing a great job protecting consumers or just pissing on anything related to our elected president?

Submitted by zk on February 15, 2017 - 5:25pm.

La Jolla Renter wrote:
zk wrote:
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/05/health/with-fda-vacancy-trump-sees-chance-to-speed-drugs-to-the-market.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

And another winner looks to join the trump administration. Let's take the FDA and stop it from protecting consumers. Jesus.

Are you implying that the FDA has been doing a great job protecting consumers or just pissing on anything related to our elected president?

Great? No. Good? Probably not. Mediocre? Maybe. Poor? Possibly. But if it's doing a poor job of protecting consumers, then reducing the amount of protection the FDA will give consumers (which is what O'Neill seems to want to do) certainly won't help. What the FDA is doing right now to protect consumers might not be great, but it's orders of magnitude better than the job it will be doing if Jim O'Neill gets his way.

I only piss on things that I think deserve pissing on. Everything that I've pissed on relating to trump's presidency deserves pissing on, in my opinion. I'd be happy to debate you if you think anything I've pissed on doesn't deserve pissing on.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 15, 2017 - 8:14pm.

So far, one thing that's pretty certain is that Trump is not great at picking winners.

He's all alone... so much infighting and palace intrigue. But I don't feel sorry for the guy.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 16, 2017 - 4:19pm.

ZK, do you watch Fox News? Sometimes I watch just to see what the other side is thinking.

Fox & Co are spinning a new conspiracy: the "powerful permanent government" is undermining Trump to prevent him from draining the swamps. "They" won't stop at anything to take our liberties away.

Submitted by zk on February 16, 2017 - 5:12pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
ZK, do you watch Fox News? Sometimes I watch just to see what the other side is thinking.

Fox & Co are spinning a new conspiracy: the "powerful permanent government" is undermining Trump to prevent him from draining the swamps. "They" won't stop at anything to take our liberties away.

I do watch sometimes. It's getting harder, though. It's so disappointing to know that so many people are so gullible.

I'm not sure whether the people who fall for this stuff don't know trump is constantly lying or they know but they don't care. The former is outrageously gullible, and the latter is extremely dangerous.

I don't know whether they actually like his appointees/executive orders/mental illness or they just like that those things piss off basically everybody who isn't falling for the bullshit. The former is more gullibility, the latter is extremely dangerous.

In any case, it's going to be a tough battle. Unless his narcissistic rage at being called out on his bullshit finally gets to him to a degree that he does something so stupid that even republicans decide he has to go.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 16, 2017 - 5:51pm.

I feel that the Trump presidency will be a disaster.

Hundreds of well qualified Republicans won't serve Trump, and hundreds more have been blacklisted for criticizing Trump before. Without capable people, Trump can't run the government. So much for being a good executive. Running a family business like a mafia boss is not the same as running the country.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...

Submitted by svelte on February 16, 2017 - 6:09pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I feel that the Trump presidency will be a disaster.

Hundreds of well qualified Republicans won't serve Trump, and hundreds more have been blacklisted for criticizing Trump before. Without capable people, Trump can't run the government. So much for being a good executive. Running a family business like a mafia boss is not the same as running the country.

One thing for sure the first month hasn't gone too great.

I'm going to watch this rewrite of the immigration order carefully. If he can get a much better version this time, it will help convince me that he listens and learns. If it is just as effed up as the first, well I'll stick with my original opinion that this can't end well.

Submitted by svelte on February 16, 2017 - 6:13pm.

zk wrote:

I do watch sometimes. It's getting harder, though. It's so disappointing to know that so many people are so gullible.

I hear ya.

My long-term theory that education fixes everything ignores that the neurons don't connect in some folks no matter how many classes they take.

It's quite sad that becoming prez has come down to a game of The Biggest Liar.

Submitted by zk on February 16, 2017 - 9:05pm.

I'm hoping (ok, maybe fantasizing) that a reporter can get him in a Colonel Jessup moment at a press conference. Trump feels the same way about the media that Jessup does about Kaffee.

Reporter:"Did you ask Russia to help with the election?"

Trump: "I did the job..."

Reporter: (Interrupting belligerently) "Did you ask Russia to help with the election?"

Trump (yelling): You're god damn right I did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psl7ZVwiRl4

My reaction would be exactly like Roger Daltrey's in that video.

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