Trump presidency predictions

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Submitted by zk on December 8, 2016 - 2:37pm

Let's hear your predictions for trump's presidency. In 4 (or, god forbid, 8) years, we'll see who was right. Some of my predictions are on these threads:

http://piggington.com/its_bad_day_human_...

http://piggington.com/ot_predictions_201...

and I'll make some more here soon.

In the mean time, if any of you trump voters are actually bold enough to predict good things, let's see it right here where we can all access it in 4 years.

Submitted by flu on December 9, 2016 - 1:05pm.

AN wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
I agree, zk. Trumpismo is pretty much the beginning of the end of american exceptionalism which is ironic because Trumpistas voted for America First.
Total BS. American Exceptionalism can't be killed by one man. That's the same BS that the right wing nut job have been peddling for the last 8 years.

Here's my prediction...
- Housing: more expensive
- Income: higher
- Rent: higher
- Stock: higher
- Inflation: higher
- Labor participation: higher
- Standard of living: better than it is today

I think I would agree with you except I would add the one thing. The wealth gap is gonna get a lot wider too. Note to self. Don't fall down, or you are going to get left behind.

Submitted by spdrun on December 9, 2016 - 1:15pm.

livinincali: All environmental regulations can be seen as artificial constraints on growth. What good is economic growth if we make the Earth (or certain parts of it) inhospitable to humans?

BTW- I'd much rather live a quarter mile from a nuclear power plant than from a coal mine, coal power plant, or frack field. Why? Because I understand science and risk.

Problem with this country is lack of education and opportunities for education. People don't understand risk. People think that solar is some sort of grand conspiracy to control them. And Trump, by hiring someone who's anti-public education for the Department of Ed, will actually make this shituation worse.

You'll have people allowed to opt out of a scientifically rigorous education for their kids, in favor of Jeebus-jumper Bible-thumper larnin', and the cycle will continue.

Submitted by spdrun on December 9, 2016 - 1:20pm.

flu and AN: is our standard of living really increasing? Sure, people can call up the latest conspiracy theory and fake news on a little slab of glass and be on call with their boss 24/7. But do we have more free time than we had 20 years ago? Do we travel more? Spend more time with our families?

Is inflation-adjusted pay higher? Has life expectancy even increased much? You're confusing TOYS that add very little to human existence with a standard of living.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 9, 2016 - 1:33pm.

njtosd wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
because hes so fat. hes very fat. too fat to be president. 5th fattest president ever as of now. will be in top 3, maybe fattest ever. hes a pig. the media talked about christies fat, but donalds fat is hiding in plain sight. hes an unhealthy rotund slob.

fat shamer be shamed!

infowars v. wapo. why is the onion getting scoops like this and beating out major mediaoutlets?

http://www.theonion.com/article/donald-trump-stares-forlornly-at-tiny-aged-penis-i-28589

Hmm - yes, he is fat. But Hillary has gone in that direction over the last few years - she's certainly no Elizabeth Warren. If your issue is hypocrisy - politics has a lot of low hanging fruit.

hillary was fat, so donald fat hillary fat not a good story

now that we have the FATTEST PRESIDENT in our lifetimes, his lardness should be newsworthy, just like christies flab was news and mockworthy.

trump vote was a big f u to the establishment, but now that he is the establishment, with a goldman sachs sponsored presidency, he should be mercilessly ridiculed from day one. how do we know he was even born in the us?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 9, 2016 - 1:21pm.

livinincali wrote:
I honestly don't think who is US president can really effect that much change into today's economy or policy. Maybe to some degree but not as much as people think.

Several things would help the middle middle and lower middle to working classes.

Free government run health care
Free preschool
Free college

The benefits would be most helpful to people who can't really save or are not professional enough to demand good fringe benefits from their employers.

So, yeah, good policies can help. But people have got to want them.

Submitted by spdrun on December 9, 2016 - 1:25pm.

^^^

Trump has talked big in the past about the above, but his appointments for Cabinet aren't likely to further such policies.

Submitted by harvey on December 9, 2016 - 1:56pm.

Do we have a metric for standard of living?

At least scaredey's assessment of Trump's weight is measurable.

Piggs are supposed to be about the numbers.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 9, 2016 - 2:04pm.

spdrun wrote:
flu and AN: is our standard of living really increasing? Sure, people can call up the latest conspiracy theory and fake news on a little slab of glass and be on call with their boss 24/7. But do we have more free time than we had 20 years ago? Do we travel more? Spend more time with our families?

Is inflation-adjusted pay higher? Has life expectancy even increased much? You're confusing TOYS that add very little to human existence with a standard of living.

By GDP and the material stuff we can buy, then yes, standard of living is up. Economists consider that more goods, or even an improvement in products result in higher standards of living. For example, we enjoy higher standards of living when innovation and productivity can produce a programmable coffee maker for the same or lower inflation adjusted price as a manual coffee maker of years past. That's the definition, so we need to use it.

I sometimes talk to a long time Chinese friend now in her 40s. She told me about the communist old days of her youth when, despite all the privation and other problems, there was camaraderie and people would get together to sing propaganda songs. Now everyone thinks about money first.

So I asked "would you give up your million dollar condo and your gucci handbags for some of the past social closeness?" The answer is a resounding NO.

spd, you're smart to want good social policies. If university education were free, then parents could relax and take it easy a little without worrying that their kids would be deprived of opportunities (or have to take on massive debts they may not pay back to go to college).

Submitted by spdrun on December 9, 2016 - 2:07pm.

A programmable coffee maker still needs to be prefilled with coffee and water to be ready to make coffee. Not convinced that not having to push a button on the way to the bathroom in the morning actually saves any time over pushing it.

Much of the electronic tech that has come out recently is utter gimmick-laden shit.

Submitted by AN on December 9, 2016 - 3:06pm.

flu wrote:
AN wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
I agree, zk. Trumpismo is pretty much the beginning of the end of american exceptionalism which is ironic because Trumpistas voted for America First.
Total BS. American Exceptionalism can't be killed by one man. That's the same BS that the right wing nut job have been peddling for the last 8 years.

Here's my prediction...
- Housing: more expensive
- Income: higher
- Rent: higher
- Stock: higher
- Inflation: higher
- Labor participation: higher
- Standard of living: better than it is today

I think I would agree with you except I would add the one thing. The wealth gap is gonna get a lot wider too. Note to self. Don't fall down, or you are going to get left behind.

I totally agree with that as well.

Submitted by AN on December 9, 2016 - 3:11pm.

zk wrote:
AN wrote:

Here's my prediction...
- Housing: more expensive
- Income: higher
- Rent: higher
- Stock: higher
- Inflation: higher
- Labor participation: higher
- Standard of living: better than it is today

Interesting predictions. Just for the record, when you say better standard of living, are you including the middle class in that?

Yes, everyone. Uber, Amazon, more life saving drugs, nanotech, AI, etc. All of those will be accessible to everyone. That's what I mean why better standard of living. Science will progress and there will be break throughs that will dramatically improve people's living standard.

Submitted by AN on December 9, 2016 - 3:13pm.

spdrun wrote:
A programmable coffee maker still needs to be prefilled with coffee and water to be ready to make coffee. Not convinced that not having to push a button on the way to the bathroom in the morning actually saves any time over pushing it.

Much of the electronic tech that has come out recently is utter gimmick-laden shit.

Here's another prediction, your (spdrun) living standard will be worse. Since all the things that you think are shit is what will be advancing.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 9, 2016 - 3:36pm.

my standard of living is potentially awesome but i cant seem to spend the money to get it. for instance, heating unit died.

can afford to replace it, but i save 5k a year in ac and heat costs, plus 15k for the unit. id rather wear long undies and a bathrobe, like pioneer days and get a 5k a year annuity. its been dead for a few years now. the yield on consuming less is irresistible to me. after tax benefit, being chilly or hot is paying about 25 perc. of. the mortgage!

i got my wife a little space heater from costco. i would be willing to pony up some dough for nanorobots to clear out my arteries though

Submitted by spdrun on December 9, 2016 - 3:20pm.

zk: If anything, my standard of living will be better.

Why? Because there are a lot of brainwashed dumbkents who drink the "newer is better" Kool-Aid. It's nice to be able to pick up a TV that's a few generations old on Craigslist for $50, a non-connected coffee maker for $5, still-working appliances at the Habitat store, etc. Basically, it makes it a lot easier to be a cheap shit and recycle the leftovers of other people.

Submitted by AN on December 9, 2016 - 3:21pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:

That's not what I meant by exceptionalism. That's just money. By your measures, Dubai and Singapore are better than we are. What about the growth and wealth creation in China?
I never said those are what make us exceptional. Those are just my prediction.

FlyerInHi wrote:
We are exceptional because of our ideas and governance. Trumpismo is moving us in the direction of Chavismo or Putinism.
I agree with this and this is what I call BS to. No one man can stop ideas and I believe our governance and constitution is set up in a way where one man can't destroy our exceptionalism.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 9, 2016 - 3:44pm.

ebay has improved my ability to acquire ridiculously overpriced japanese denim for a small fraction of retail, slightly used.

thanks trump. u fat pig.

Submitted by AN on December 9, 2016 - 5:01pm.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/09/news/eco...

Looks like more foreclosure for spdrun.

Submitted by flyer on December 9, 2016 - 5:41pm.

flu wrote:
AN wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
I agree, zk. Trumpismo is pretty much the beginning of the end of american exceptionalism which is ironic because Trumpistas voted for America First.
Total BS. American Exceptionalism can't be killed by one man. That's the same BS that the right wing nut job have been peddling for the last 8 years.

Here's my prediction...
- Housing: more expensive
- Income: higher
- Rent: higher
- Stock: higher
- Inflation: higher
- Labor participation: higher
- Standard of living: better than it is today

I think I would agree with you except I would add the one thing. The wealth gap is gonna get a lot wider too. Note to self. Don't fall down, or you are going to get left behind.

I have no political axe to grind, but I do agree that the stats clearly reveal that wealth gap will continue grow, affecting far more Americans than just the so-called "deplorables" or "Trumpistas" as the charts in this article illustrate:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk...

Submitted by spdrun on December 9, 2016 - 5:45pm.

AN: if mass arrests and deportations start, I'd likely self deport, since that wouldn't be the kind of country where I want to live. Either that, or I'd only buy from registered deplorables and operate a notell safe house for people at risk of deportation. At cost, no profit.

I have no desire to profit from Fascism. Trump is trash who based his campaign on attacking people whom I love. Screw him, screw his politics, and screw the results.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on December 9, 2016 - 6:07pm.

spdrun wrote:
It's nice to be able to pick up a TV that's a few generations old on Craigslist for $50, a non-connected coffee maker for $5, still-working appliances at the Habitat store, etc. Basically, it makes it a lot easier to be a cheap shit and recycle the leftovers of other people.

spd, I listened to you and I have gotten some nice finds on CL for my furnished rentals, even for my own place. For example I got a used granite island that I got cut down to fit existing dining table. I got some 55 and 60" TVs. I once bought a whole Ikea Kitchen in LA. That saved me thousands, and I got a visit a cool loft.

Problem is that you need to a truck to go get stuff

I don't tell anyone what I bought on CL because people think it's for poor people and it's shameful to buy used. I even got a fancy used toilet. How's that for eek factor.

scaredyclassic wrote:
ebay has improved my ability to acquire ridiculously overpriced japanese denim for a small fraction of retail, slightly used.

thanks trump. u fat pig.

What does your wife think of used clothing?

Submitted by flu on December 9, 2016 - 6:29pm.

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Submitted by flu on December 9, 2016 - 6:31pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
ebay has improved my ability to acquire ridiculously overpriced japanese denim for a small fraction of retail, slightly used.

thanks trump. u fat pig.

Don't worry, we'll be making jeans again shortly. The material and parts will be good quality parts...from Taiwan.....

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 9, 2016 - 7:28pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
spdrun wrote:
It's nice to be able to pick up a TV that's a few generations old on Craigslist for $50, a non-connected coffee maker for $5, still-working appliances at the Habitat store, etc. Basically, it makes it a lot easier to be a cheap shit and recycle the leftovers of other people.

spd, I listened to you and I have gotten some nice finds on CL for my furnished rentals, even for my own place. For example I got a used granite island that I got cut down to fit existing dining table. I got some 55 and 60" TVs. I once bought a whole Ikea Kitchen in LA. That saved me thousands, and I got a visit a cool loft.

Problem is that you need to a truck to go get stuff

I don't tell anyone what I bought on CL because people think it's for poor people and it's shameful to buy used. I even got a fancy used toilet. How's that for eek factor.

scaredyclassic wrote:
ebay has improved my ability to acquire ridiculously overpriced japanese denim for a small fraction of retail, slightly used.

thanks trump. u fat pig.

What does your wife think of used clothing?

$295.00 jeans, only 70$

Submitted by flyer on December 9, 2016 - 7:54pm.

Although we've always preferred Armani jeans and in general, for many reasons, we decided to go with US brand jeans a few years ago, before it became a political thing.

http://www.thegoodtrade.com/features/ame...

Submitted by The-Shoveler on December 10, 2016 - 6:47am.

I remember back in the 80's (well some time back anyway),

Used worn out Jeans were sold in clothing boutiques at ridiculously high prices.

Maybe all my worn out Costco Jeans that I keep in a pile will be worth something some day LOL.

Submitted by flu on December 10, 2016 - 8:17pm.

I'm looking at all the cabinet appointees, and I'm thinking that unfortunately for a lot of people in this country, I think this country is quickly going to turn even more into an oligarchy, similar to what we already have in countries like China, Mexico, Russia...where a tiny percentage of the population ends up controlling all the resources in America: housing, energy, bank/finance, etc.

With the exception of military appointments, all the other appointments have gone nowhere near populists or populism but to incredibly wealthy individuals who contributed to Trump's presidency.

It's almost comical.. We have an EPA appointment from corporate america that is anti-EPA, an labor appointment from corporate america that against labor unions and minimum wage laws, and a sec of state from corporate ameria that is buddy buddy with Russia (Exxon Mobil)...And a Treasury pick that already said he was interested in deregulating banks (hence why FNMA and FMCC is going crazy)...And there's a few other folks from Goldman Sachs that are lining up for important government positions as well.

I don't know, I think this will accelerate wealth transfer for assert hoarders.

Don't fall down.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on December 10, 2016 - 9:01pm.

it does seem kind of comical.

the days of honest work for pay may be quaint history soon. maybe the quick movement of all the $ to the top will bring us to Universal Basic Income quicker. say, 1 percent of the country holds the assets, 60 perc. lay idle, and the rest are in prison or fighting small wars.

money is supposed to flow from the foolish or desperate to the stronger hands. if the nation is desperate enough to take a chance on trump, perhaps it is a sign of an efficient marketplace that they be fully fleeced. man trump is fat. let him engirge himself on all the monies.

man i wish i were rich and not just a lowly 2 percenter.

Submitted by flu on December 10, 2016 - 11:01pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
it does seem kind of comical.

the days of honest work for pay may be quaint history soon. maybe the quick movement of all the $ to the top will bring us to Universal Basic Income quicker. say, 1 percent of the country holds the assets, 60 perc. lay idle, and the rest are in prison or fighting small wars.

money is supposed to flow from the foolish or desperate to the stronger hands. if the nation is desperate enough to take a chance on trump, perhaps it is a sign of an efficient marketplace that they be fully fleeced. man trump is fat. let him engirge himself on all the monies.

man i wish i were rich and not just a lowly 2 percenter.

2% will survive, redefined as middle class. Lol...you'll be fine.... Your kids.....well, marry well.... Lol...

Submitted by flyer on December 10, 2016 - 11:13pm.

Here's another good article on wealth inequality. Hope everyone is briefing their kids wrt these realities--and as flu just said--marry well+ in the end, you can't take it with you anyway, but you can pass it along to make sure your family also enjoys their time on earth.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/18/pf/wealt...

Enjoy it while you can. . .

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots...

Submitted by spdrun on December 10, 2016 - 11:48pm.

Note that marrying well doesn't mean marrying someone who you think might please your family. Ignore race and class, go with someone who you love, are compatible with, and is a decent human being.

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