Trump Presidency Death Watch

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Submitted by svelte on July 28, 2017 - 10:03pm

After the first six months of the Presidency that we've just witnessed, what are the chances he's going to make it another 3.5 years?

Any guesses on what will do him in?

Do you still think he'll make it the full term?

I have to say I put the odds he'd leave at not very high until this week...but with the turmoil we're seeing in his staff and the way he attacks even those close to him, I can't see how he is going to attract anyone of any caliber to support him. I really can't.

This is a very amazing thing to watch.

Submitted by njtosd on January 15, 2018 - 4:58pm.

harvey wrote:

But, yeah, there's a backlash against intellectualism. Maybe if collgess didn't emphasize coursework like "gender studies" education would be taken more seriously.

Ahh the good ol' days, when even the presidents we did not like were qualified, capable leaders who maintained the dignity of the office...

For once, we have some common ground, although I don't think that the colleges are to blame. I can see it all around me - we live in Carmel Valley where there are 3 high schools. Two are public and therefore free (Torrey Pines, Canyon Crest) one is private and about $17,000 (Cathedral Catholic HS). The number of people from within the community who send their kids to Cathedral because they love the sports program or prefer Torrey Pines (again, because of the sports emphasis) is shocking. On the other hand, CCA, which has consistently higher test scores, a very accepting culture and all kinds of other things going for it is sort of chuckled at. In fact, the standard joke among TP and CCHS students is to call Canyon Crest "CC Gay" - which is a problem on a number of levels.

I had a friend years ago who worked for the Dept. of Ed under a grant to the National Center for Educational Leadership. They spent an enormous amount of time and money trying to identify factors that were predictive of someone being a good leader (not sure what the metrics were). At the time we discussed it, there didn't seem to be any way to predict who would do well.

I see the problem as the extremists donating the most money and therefore choosing the candidates and conversely the candidates pandering to the extremists. Again, though, how do you fix it?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on January 15, 2018 - 5:00pm.

trumps grave will need 24 hr security, i predict. people will dump buckets of feces for many years to come.

Submitted by svelte on January 15, 2018 - 7:29pm.

I regret titling this thread the way I did. I do think, unfortunately, he'll make it four years.

It is painful to realize we're only 25% through that...and there is always the possibility it could get extended another four.

Oh the humanity.

Submitted by njtosd on January 15, 2018 - 7:48pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
trumps grave will need 24 hr security, i predict. people will dump buckets of feces for many years to come.

And what will that result in? Flowers.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 15, 2018 - 9:37pm.

njtosd wrote:

I really think that the animosity is *toward* being intelligent and deliberate. The average American (and apparently the average Russian and the average Brit and who knows who else) likes the bravado, false or otherwise. It makes them feel good. Intellectual arguments and justifications do not tend to give people good feelings. It's why people eschew proven medical treatments in favor of snake oil. But the question is - how do you fix it?

I agree. Mitt Romney is perceived as elitist and is not well liked. But I still think there’s an element of race to the antipathy towards Obama and the ensuing backlash.

Trump speaks the language of for “forgotten men”. It was actually a total of 77000 voters in WI, MI and PA who flipped the electoral college in favor of Trump.

How do you fix it? More education. It’s lack of education that caused those 77000 voters to turn out for Trump.

Harvey, I don’t think we can blame the colleges because those guys certainly didn’t go to college; and if they did, wouldn’t they have taken “real” classes rather than gender studies?

Submitted by Escoguy on January 15, 2018 - 10:26pm.

Margin was 107,330 in the three states that mattered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-10/do...

My guess is that demographics will take out that margin over a 4 year period.

While generally Republican myself, when I hear what some older voters really think it is quite appalling. Kind of like liberals blaming Bush for everything, some just want to complain about Obama excessively. Both perspectives are distasteful as our leaders are often just reflecting what others want.

The key is we all need to make our voices heard and participate so the outlier ideas don't take over.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 16, 2018 - 12:47am.

Escoguy wrote:
Margin was 107,330 in the three states that mattered.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-10/do...

My guess is that demographics will take out that margin over a 4 year period.

While generally Republican myself, when I hear what some older voters really think it is quite appalling. Kind of like liberals blaming Bush for everything, some just want to complain about Obama excessively. Both perspectives are distasteful as our leaders are often just reflecting what others want.

The key is we all need to make our voices heard and participate so the outlier ideas don't take over.

Thanks for the correction. I keep on remembering 77,000 votes.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-electi...

Yeah I agree that demographics will take care of those voters. Can we objectibely say voters of shit education from shitholes areas of the USA? (Tucker Carlson and Fox News defined shit as not nice, not aspirational, not desirable. It’s not derogatory,it’s just how normal people talk)

More seriously, why is it that people who are most plain spoken and love “telling it like it is” so easily take offense to perceived slights from the coastal elites. Hey, don’t take it personal.... I mean, duh, would you rather live in San Diego or Western PA?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 18, 2018 - 1:06pm.

Svelte, you were right. Kelly is on his way out.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 23, 2018 - 11:29pm.

I have a feeling there will be a bombshell revelation on Sunday night. I’ll be watching 60 Minutes.

Seems clear that all the stuff of the last week was Trump trying to affect the news cycle.

Submitted by spdrun on March 24, 2018 - 6:56am.

Will the "Papist Purifier" aka Mikey Pence really be much better?

Submitted by outtamojo on March 24, 2018 - 11:01am.

I would prefer the Pope himself to Pence.

Submitted by zk on March 24, 2018 - 11:42am.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 24, 2018 - 2:17pm.

what about a politician who ran on a platform of improving our gross national happiness?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 25, 2018 - 8:41am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
what about a politician who ran on a platform of improving our gross national happiness?

Happiness is not objective, only money is. I believe the law uses money to compensate for all kinds of damages as wrongs. You can't ask for happiness in court.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 26, 2018 - 8:35am.

although happiness is subjective, we can measure it when it increases subjectively

id be willing to have less money to live in a happier society.

in general though, it's a bad idea to fuck stormy daniels without a condom

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 26, 2018 - 2:04pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:

in general though, it's a bad idea to fuck stormy daniels without a condom

What do you think of Stormy’s attorney?

Submitted by zk on March 26, 2018 - 8:07pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:

in general though, it's a bad idea to fuck stormy daniels without a condom

Yeah, but it's probably a worse idea to fuck donald trump without a condom.

I had to take a shower just from writing that.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 27, 2018 - 1:55am.

zk wrote:

Yeah, but it's probably a worse idea to fuck donald trump without a condom.

I had to take a shower just from writing that.

It was actually masterful. Yes it was gross and she didn't enjoy it. But I'm sure she's enjoying winning now.

Russia couldn't have planned anything better.

Sex, drugs/alcohol/addiction, and gambling. Don't do it.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on March 27, 2018 - 8:43am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:

in general though, it's a bad idea to fuck stormy daniels without a condom

What do you think of Stormy’s attorney?

scrappy.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 27, 2018 - 5:57pm.

I had to look up the word scrappy. I think Michael Avenatti is too polished and well dressed to be scrappy. If he’s scrappy, what about David Schwartz?

scrap·py
ˈskrapē/Submit
adjective
1.
consisting of disorganized, untidy, or incomplete parts.
"scrappy lecture notes piled up unread"
synonyms: feisty, tenacious, determined, persistent, dogged, aggressive, forceful; More
2.
NORTH AMERICANinformal
determined, argumentative, or pugnacious.
"he played the part of a scrappy detective"

Submitted by zk on May 14, 2018 - 9:20am.

I need an analogy.

The best thing that my cousin, like so many brainwashed right-wingers, can say about his dear leader is that he pisses off liberals. He can't name a single reason why he likes him, and he doesn't seem to be bothered in the least by his lying. But he gets excited when reasonable people talk about how horrible trump is.

It seems like that's been a favorite pastime of right-wingers for quite some time now. Since well before president kleiner schwanz was elected, these fools have taken joy in angering the other side. But since the election, it's gotten much worse.

Now, I don't really care that that's how they get their kicks. Except that, now, it seems like it's the only reason they need to support this buffoon who is ruining our country. It seems like they're willing to participate in the ruining of this country just so they can laugh at the people who they perceive as having laughed at them or who they think of as ignorant or whatever.

This is obviously quite immature and foolish. But they don't seem to see it that way. I wonder if an analogy would help them understand. I doubt it, but you never know, and I'd like to have an analogy for it anyway.

I like to think I'm half-decent at coming up with analogies, and this one seems like it should be easy to come up with an analogy for. Brainwashed fools happily contributing to their own demise just so they can... I don't know, feel superior, or have their moment in the sun, or just laugh, or whatever. Maybe if I understood their motivation better, an analogy would be easier. In any case, I'm stumped.

Anyway, just throwing it out there. If anybody has an analogy, or if anybody sees the above differently, I'd be interested in what they have to say.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 14, 2018 - 1:31pm.

Cutting off the nose to spite the face
hurt oneself in the course of trying to hurt another.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cutting_...

Zk, did you read the latest wapo article on why people support Trump?
It’s disrespect, the article says. Respect, however, is earned, not demanded. If people want respect, they should go to school and educate themselves to become knowledgeable 21st century citizens.

In many ways the Trumpistas are destroying America that they want to make great again. They are destroying the public policies that made small to medium towns viable. And we will see bigger bifurcation between the top 10 metros (and college towns and state capitols) and the rest is the country. You will see that reflected in regional GDP figures and real estate value.

But there is an alternative for us who believe in universal values. The internet, modern communications and transport allow World Citizens to work across borders and keep each other company.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 14, 2018 - 6:19pm.

Here’s the article, zk, in case you missed it.

You know, today I met a deplorable who works in solar. Solar energy installation, I kid your not! It really is bitting the hand the feeds you. It goes all the way back to Reagan Democrats. I really wish Obama has let the automakers fail. Those are not products I buy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powe...

Submitted by JAFO2018 on May 22, 2018 - 11:25am.

Liberals and Conservatives will never agree, will never bend. They hate each other and the politicians on each side love it that way.

I agree with Charles Krauthammer's take on Trump. I voted for Trump. I think Hillary is a dishonest and very unlikable person. I could never have voted for her. And I am never voting for a socialist such as Bernie.

FB post by Charles Krauthammer

Charles is back, (partially), after many months of battling post surgery complications and enduring lengthy rehabilitation. Please read his message about Trump, whom he has not been kind to at times with his observations. This article is interesting for all who may want to see what Dr K has analyzed during his lengthy absence…

“This is from Charles Krauthammer who did not go for Trump, read what he thinks of him now.

Charles Krauthammer's interesting take on Mr. Trump:

To my friends "of a different persuasion" I'm not trying to sell anything or anyone but I do feel this is an interesting take on our very controversial President who I truly believe is not Republican or Democrat.

A TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP ...
A different take on Donald Trump: (a non-political agenda)

Trump Is Not A Liberal or Conservative, He's a "Pragmatist." (Definition: A pragmatist is someone who is practical and focused on reaching a goal. A pragmatist usually has a straightforward, matter-of-fact approach and
doesn't let emotion distract him or her.)

"We recently enjoyed a belated holiday dinner with friends at the home of other friends. The dinner conversation varied from discussions about antique glass and china to theology and politics. At one point, reference was made to Donald Trump being a conservative, to which I responded that Trump is not a conservative. I said that I neither view nor do I believe Trump views himself as a
conservative. I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist. He sees a problem and understands it must be fixed. He doesn't see the problem as liberal or conservative, he sees it only as a problem. That is a quality that should be admired and applauded, not condemned. But I get ahead of myself.
Viewing problems from a Liberal perspective has resulted in the creation of more problems, more entitlement programs, more victims, more government,
more political correctness, and more attacks on the working class in all economic strata.
Viewing things according to the so-called Republican conservative perspective has brought continued spending and globalism to the detriment of
American interests and well being, denial of what the real problems are, weak, ineffective, milquetoast, leadership that amounts to Barney Fife Deputy Sheriff, appeasement oriented and afraid of its own shadow. In brief, it has brought liberal ideology with a pachyderm as a mascot juxtaposed to the ass of the Democrat Party.
Immigration isn't a Republican problem, it isn't a Liberal problem, it is a problem that threatens the very fabric and infrastructure of America. It demands a pragmatic approach not an approach that is intended to appease one
group or another.

The impending collapse of the economy wasn't a Liberal or Conservative problem, it is an American problem. That said, until it is viewed as a problem that demands a common sense approach to resolution, it will never be
fixed because the Democrats and Republicans know only one way to fix things and the longevity of their impracticality has proven to have no lasting effect.
Successful businessmen like Donald Trump find ways to make things work, they do not promise to accommodate.
Trump uniquely understands that China's manipulation of currency is not a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It is a problem that threatens our
financial stability and he understands the proper balance needed to fix it. Here again, successful businessmen, like Trump, who have weathered the changing tides of economic reality understand what is necessary to make
business work, and they, unlike both sides of the political aisle, know that if something doesn't work, you don't continue trying to make it work hoping that at some point it will. As a pragmatist, Donald Trump hasn't made wild pie-in-the-sky promises of a cell phone in every pocket, free college tuition, and a $15 hour minimum wage for working the drive-through at Carl's Hamburgers.
I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a problem and find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and compound it by creating
more problems.

You may not like Donald Trump, but I suspect that the reason some people do not like him is because:
(1) he is antithetical to the "good old boy" method of brokering backroom deals that fatten the coffers of politicians;

(2) they are unaccustomed to hearing a president speak who is unencumbered by the financial shackles of those who he owes vis-a-vis donations;

(3) he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology;

(4) he says what he is thinking, is unapologetic for his outspoken thoughts, speaks very straightforward using everyday language that can be understood by all (and is offensive to some who dislike him anyway) making him a great communicator, for the most part, does what he says he will do and;

(5) he is someone who understands that it takes more than hollow promises and political correctness to make America great again. Listening to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing America is like listening to two lunatics trying to "out crazy" one another. Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Marco Rubio are owned lock, stock, and barrel by the bankers, corporations, and big dollar donors funding their campaigns. Bush can deny it, but common sense tells anyone willing to face facts is that
people don't give tens of millions without expecting something in return.

We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it brought us?

Are we better off today or worse off? Has it happened overnight or has it been a steady decline brought on by both parties?

I submit that a pragmatist is just what America needs right now. People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but that is common
among those who have never accomplished anything in their lives (or politicians who never really solved a problem, because it's better to still have an "issue(s) to be solved," so re-elect me to solve it, (which never happens) and those who have always played it safe (again, all politicians) not willing to risk failure, to try and achieve success).

Donald Trump put his total financial empire at risk in running for president and certainly did not need or possibly even want the job; that says it all.

He wants success for the U.S. and her citizens because he loves his country.

God Bless America

Submitted by spdrun on May 22, 2018 - 11:35am.

A pragmatist is a person that deals with real problems. Problem is that Trump sees problems where they don't exist and ignores actual problems.

(1) Iran has no direct fight with the US. It's less of a boogeyman than the Saudis (who actually fund and support terrorism) are.
(2) Our streets are safer than they were since the 1960s. There's no massive crime wave sweeping the US, other than in isolated local cases like Chicago.
(3) High cost of college is a real problem. I see no problem with free/cheap community or public college. His home city of NYC has had CUNY, which was either free or dirt-cheap (and GOOD) for the last 100 years. Heaven forbid that we spent a bit more on public education and less on coercive policing and military bullying abroad.
(4) His current attitude to the War on Drugs is straight out of the 1960s through 1980s. Moral panic. He's seeing it as a numbers game (jail more people) instead of a medical problem (treat addicts, make sure people can get treatment for painful conditions instead of self-medicating).
(5) Coercive, racist, and excessive policing are real problems in the US, no matter how much he may thump his fist about "law and order." The goal should be to reduce the number of crimes, not jail people, and generally live and let live as far as victimless crimes.

Submitted by JAFO2018 on May 22, 2018 - 12:11pm.

Nothing is free. There is no FREE college. Somebody is paying and I for one do not want to pay for some other child's college. You want to send your child to college, fine, you pay for that or make them work. Not every child needs to go to college. I meet plenty of college educated idiots.

And what you see as the major issues are not the same for others.

Stick your head in the sand regarding Iran and see where it gets you. Oh, wait, maybe we should just pay them a whole bunch of money and maybe they won't nuke us.

Submitted by spdrun on May 22, 2018 - 3:33pm.

But (judging from your nickname), you're OK getting government funds yourself. Why should we pay to support you?

As far as Iran, they're not interested in nuclear war with the US (they're not suicidal as a society). They may be interested in defending themselves from neighboring countries.

Submitted by outtamojo on May 22, 2018 - 4:24pm.

"Successful" businessman is always good for a laugh in the same sentence as serial bankruptcy filer.
Pie in the sky- thats him when he promised more healthcare cheaper.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 22, 2018 - 5:21pm.

JAFO2018 wrote:
Liberals and Conservatives will never agree, will never bend. They hate each other and the politicians on each side love it that way.

When people are full of hate, they ascribe the same to others.

I don’t hate Republicans. I pity them and i’ve written them off for embracing trashy culture and low education.

Well.... it’s up to them. The non-college educated Trump voters will suffer most from his policies. They asked for it, so let them eat cake.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 22, 2018 - 5:04pm.

Trump uniquely understands that China's manipulation of currency is not a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It is a problem that threatens our
financial stability

Trumpistas keep on repeating this.
If they’re so smart then they should explain

1. how is that happening when the RMB has been increasing in value?
2. If government is so bad and always results in epic failure, then why not sit back, relax and wait for China to implode.

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