Trump becoming presidential

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Submitted by moneymaker on February 7, 2019 - 4:05am

After listening to his speech the other night it struck me that he actually sounded presidential, his delivery was pretty good!He seemed to have a real desire to bring people together rather than cause discord.

Submitted by spdrun on February 12, 2019 - 8:47pm.

Call it an anti-Cartel Protection Rampart, but make sure the guards' rifles face north.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

"GDR authorities officially referred to the Berlin Wall as the Anti-Fascist Protection Rampart"

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 4:20am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
What the heck do LED lights have to do with anything LOL?

Seriously I get them for less than a dollar each these days.

So fast we forget the lightbulb freedom of choice act. That was the rallying cry of the deplorables.
Rush Limbaugh was railing that the government was going to force consumers to buy $20 LED bulbs, so better stock up on incandescent, he advised his whackjob listeners.

I know some nutcases who went out and bought 5 gallon flush toilets before CA mandated 1.6 gallon flush toilets. True that, at first, the low flow toilets didn’t work that well. But the new toilets at 1.28 gallons now work perfectly fine. The deplorables apparently don’t believe in innovation or economies of scale.

https://youtu.be/LEZE7T8-8UQ

‘New’ law requires homeowners to retrofit with water-saving toilets, faucets
https://www.dailyrepublic.com/projects/a...

Or the air-conditioner SEER ratings... the deplorables wanted to keep low efficiency standards instead of better products. Really? They have to be nuts. I’m enjoying my LED lights, electric car and efficient AC and appliances. They provide me comfort, convenience and savings. What’s not to like?
https://www.nrdc.org/media/2004/040116

I love the Green New Deal. But.... we likely won’t have it but China will. Then the deplorables will bitch about China when China owns the products and markets.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 4:18am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
"Hate him as much as you do, but my prediction is Trump is going to win a second term for 2 reasons."

1) No Stupid wars.

2) Peace and prosperity are worth something.

Other than that I think the guy is actually nuts too.

Ha! The deplorables are the idiots who wanted to go kick ass in Afghanistan and Iraq. They were so proud of America went they watched shock and awe on TV. It was like a patriotic Hollywood movie to them.

Then, when we started losing they began to regret. Remember the Freecom Fries dude? He had a change of heart big time.

And Trump, just like the deplorables can’t admit defeat and eat humble pie. Yeah, right, we won and beat them badly, Trump says. Sure. The way I see it, Bin Laden won. We went on a costly ill-conceived war on terrorism, we lied to our people, we subverted our values. We were so fixated on the Middle East that we allowed a resurgent Russia, a dominant China. And America is now in decline.

Ask yourself why we have stupid wars. It’s because deplorables are military idol crazies. When you idolize the military, it follows that you end up with stupid wars.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 13, 2019 - 7:21am.

LOL America is not in decline.

Submitted by spdrun on February 13, 2019 - 7:43am.

National debt tops $22 trillion. $6 trillion of that is money thrown away in the Middle East and Afghanistan since 9/11/2001. Another few trillion is probably money thrown away by predatory "War on Drugs" law enforcement and imprisonment. Imagine how great we could be if we spent money on things that are actually useful to Americans instead on killing and jailing people.

America may or may not be in decline, but it falls short of its potential due to militarism, corruption, and authoritarian culture.

Submitted by outtamojo on February 13, 2019 - 10:04am.

Prosperity has always been a debatable item but imo its worth noting that national debt,household debt are at record highs while late auto loans just set some kind of record.

Submitted by Coronita on February 13, 2019 - 10:28am.

Recently, my kid in social studies is studying the Roman Empire ..And as I predicted, the assignment was compare and contrast the fall of the "Roman Empire to the United States." Is the US doomed to the same fate as the Roman Empire. And then my kid asked are we going down the same way the Roman empire did?

I chuckled ... This is the same assignment I was given when I was roughly her age and that was back in 1992, when folks were predicting the same decline of the US and the US would eventually blow up in 10-20 years.. Coincidentally, during the time during the Savings and Loans crisis that left many people foreclosed on and jobless and the economy was in tatters and the outlook extremely negative, especially in SoCal when the aerospace industry vaporized more or less....

I told my kid about all the positive things about the US, how we are still around, and how a percentage of the population are doing just great, our family being one of them, unemployment being at an all time low, innovation after innovation..

But I left the remark that if you want an easy A on the essay, it's far easier to be negative and argue we are going down like the Roman empire did, even if you don't believe it....But I am pretty sure 20 years from now, your kids will get the same assignment and we will still be here....

Extreme Pessimism, I explained, is a great seller for academic exercises and for getting easy A's on research projects in academia...Because many of the leaders in academia are grumpy old farts that want to be correct with their predictions... That's why they stay in academia instead of working in the real world....But that's not how the shit works in the real world. In that's been proven time after time again....after every recession. You have winners and you have some losers. try not to lose...lol.

I think the people that really got left behind were the ones that bought into all that negativity AND bet their financial future on the doomsday scenario....lol....

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 10:47am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
LOL America is not in decline.

If you’re so sure, don’t worry about China. We are worried because we are in decline.

America as a whole is still great but but as a percent of global GDP, we are in decline. That’s the biggest factor. Militarily, on a PPP basis, China is catching up quickly and has surpassed us in some areas.

We may be innovators in basic research for now, but that becomes public domain quickly. Any qualified student can go to the top universittiea and learn. That’s called learning, not spying. We no longer own all the commercializarion of innovation.

Just go to the best college campuses. The kids of deplorables ain’t students there. Go to any tech company. What is the percentage of foreign born employees? They are global citizens more than Americans. They are part of the global elite.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 11:40am.

flu wrote:

I think the people that really got left behind were the ones that bought into all that negativity AND bet their financial future on the doomsday scenario....lol....

You can make money anywhere.

Here’s an anecdote for you. I have a friend from panama who married a military dude a couple decades ago. Son is now in college — community college.
She wanted her husband to invest in housing in Panama, but hubby thought that nothing is better and safer than USA. 25 years ago $100k USD was big money anywhere in the world. Not anymore.

The bothers, sisters, cousins and friends back in Panama invested in booming deal estate, prospered, and are now much richer than the Ameirican GI. They now ridicule my friend for marrying an “uneducated” enlisted American. Socially, my friend is now one step below. The Panamanian cousins speak English, go to university around the world while the American kid, who doesn’t even speak Spanish, follows on this father’s footsteps to community college.

My friend regrets marrying her husband because she’s educated and she grew intellectually while her husband stagnated. She’s pretty, worldly, while the husband devolved into a fat ass grumpy old man living paycheck to paycheck like most Americans. The sad part is that their son is a low education deplorable in the making, because of the dad.

Look at Panama City, Panama today, and compare to Panama City. Florida were the rednecks still think they are greatest.
https://www.google.com/search?q=panama+c...

Submitted by The-Shoveler on February 13, 2019 - 11:33am.

No one is forcing you to live here, you are free to leave anytime you want.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 11:52am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
No one is forcing you to live here, you are free to leave anytime you want.

I am now a proud metropolitan elite as the Brits put it. I don’t have anything in common with the Trump deplorables. I’m sad for America that rather than helping our fellow citizens gain knowledge and education, we are enabling their basest most deplorable instincts.

Nationalism is destroying western civilization from USA to Europe.

Submitted by Coronita on February 13, 2019 - 12:16pm.

If people actually lived elsewhere an extended period of time, they would appreciate what America still has to offer versus just about everywhere else. Folks that don't understand are entitled spoil brats that haven't experienced what corruption and extreme government is.

People that routinely say how much better Europe or in a third world shithole is, but still remain in the US, gloss over the fact that they still are here because, despite everything they bitch about, their economic well being and freedom to complain is still better here in the U.S than anywhere else. Otherwise, they would have left a long time ago. These folks can't dance around that fundamental fact. They are just unappreciative of what they have. It's really the same thing as those that complain about how liberal and horrible California is, but have yet to leave the state.

See BrianSD(FlyinHi), you and NeetaT are have a lot in common, more than you think! Lol...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 12:43pm.

I don’t have anything in common with Trumpitas.

I bitch because I see what other people do well and I want it too. I don’t sit around bitching about others while at the same time claiming we are greatest and don’t need to change. That’s totally illogical.

Another anecdote for you, flu:

flu wrote:

I think the people that really got left behind were the ones that bought into all that negativity AND bet their financial future on the doomsday scenario....lol....

The biggest lost opportunity and doomsday scenario is China.

For anyone who doesn’t know, architecture in USA is a thankless job, Kinda like adjunct professors.
I have an architect friend who left a shit job in San Diego working on strip malls for Hong Kong. At that time, HK returned to China and news articles were claiming that even the lamp posts were leaving. Fast forward to today, the guy is working on big projects in Shenzhen, projects he could only dream about in USA.

The world is changing.... we are not greatest at everything anymore. And if we don’t open our eyes and acknowledge it, we will decline faster.

By decline, I don’t mean going down the shithole, I mean in relative terms. It’s like, at one time, Clairemont was the shit neighborhood in San Diego. But after they built Carmel Valley, Clairemont became a relative shithole, relatively, because the world changed and you need for change with it.

Submitted by spdrun on February 13, 2019 - 12:59pm.

flu -- what is "extreme government?" You know, the US locks up the largest number of people (proportional to population) of any "free world"/"developed" country, yet it claims to be free. I'm literally in grad school in the US to make myself more marketable to foreign Ph. D. programs -- I plan to cut and run as soon as I can.

Germany is great. I won't have to worry about college funds for my kids there, since higher ed is nearly free. They have beautiful, fast, amazing trains that are relatively cheap to ride. Their culture is much less prudish than the US, I can enjoy the beach on my own terms, if you know what I mean.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 2:25pm.

flu wrote:
If people actually lived elsewhere an extended period of time, they would appreciate what America still has to offer versus just about everywhere else. Folks that don't understand are entitled spoil brats that haven't experienced what corruption and extreme government is.

People that routinely say how much better Europe or in a third world shithole is, but still remain in the US, gloss over the fact that they still are here because, despite everything they bitch about, their economic well being and freedom to complain is still better here in the U.S than anywhere else. Otherwise, they would have left a long time ago. These folks can't dance around that fundamental fact. They are just unappreciative of what they have. It's really the same thing as those that complain about how liberal and horrible California is, but have yet to leave the state.

See BrianSD(FlyinHi), you and NeetaT are have a lot in common, more than you think! Lol...

I will answer this because it's my downday…. before I go out and replace an AC capacitor. But I won't do it if rain comes.

I agree with you... but only somewhat. It's nuanced.

The USA is "free" but only in some ways.

You cannot build what you want on your own land. You cannot open a cafe out of your garage. When you own land, you have to abide by decades long community plans dating back to the 70s. So that is very "communist" and takes away personal freedom and property. Social engineering at it's worse or best, depending on how you like it. Extreme government?

Europe is better in some ways, and worse in other ways. The US metros are more diverse than Europe and the food is better and cheaper in LA or New York. And the second tier cities like San Diego, Seattle, etc.. are improving. The problem in USA is that we have backward rural areas and their voters.

Europe is economically kinder, gentler to their populations but there are lots of deplorables there too. Europe is an old continent so they protect the old ways and their deplorables more.
But then Britain might soon have a Prime Minister of Pakistani descent (I hope that happens as a poke in the eye of the British deplorables). Do you think it will happen in USA? Could we have top government officials of Sikh decent who wear their traditional headdress surrounding the president, like they do in Canada?

Real estate investing for stable cash-flow is good in USA because salaries are higher and rents are higher relative to real estate prices. But in USA, you have lots of scammers who don't pay rent and need evicting, so you have to be careful.

I would say that in the developed world, the USA is more open and entrepreneurial for people who have skills and education. So for competitive professionals, it's by and large better. That's why foreign born professionals are comprising a larger portion of the new economy.

The thing that strikes me as odd is that Trump deplorables are neither entrepreneurial nor skillful. They say tbey want a hyper competitive world but they can't compete in it, hence the anxiety. Trump deplorables are like former high school athletes who didn't go to college and whose glory time is well past.

In looking at the interlinked world of today, I think we need to open our eyes, pick and chose the best solutions out there and make them our own.

BTW, I have EU citizenship so I can go anytime I want. It's a good idea to hedge your bets and hold multiple passports.

Submitted by Coronita on February 13, 2019 - 2:33pm.

I remember about 14 years ago, a co-worker of mine who was a die hard progressive admired a Latin America country. He praised how well that country was run... how they had a wonderful working public health system, wonderful energy reserves, balanced economy, a government that lacked the corruption we have in the US, a strong socialist leader that cared about the greater good of the country. I challenged him and asked if things are so great why doesn't he move there.....He said he was working on it.

Anyway, he was talking about Venezuela. I hope he moved there.... lol...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 2:43pm.

spdrun wrote:
The bullet train isn't a waste of funds -- the construction was just grossly mismanaged. A French or Chinese consortium could have done it at 1/4 the cost, but no, we have to "buy American."

I suspect that's the idea -- have the corrupt US contractors build it Merced to Bakersfield, and have a foreign company with actual experience build from Bakersfield to LA. Tracks already exist from Oakland to Merced. With lighter off-the-shelf European trains now being allowed by Federal law, this section could be electrified and used for the northern section to SF, with the "last mile" being along the Bay Bridge.

China opens a new high speed rail line every week. I'm most impressed with their extreme temperature rail lines.

Some Americans have no shame. They will claim that we have superior technology. Yeah, at the universities, as basic research. But the Chinese implemented technology. They have machines to build rail lines, bridges and bore tunnels, while Caltrans still builds things by hand.

BTW, there is a big anxiety in Europe. Asltom-Siemens wanted to merge in order to compete with CRRC but the European commission vetoed the merger.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 13, 2019 - 3:12pm.

flu wrote:
I remember about 14 years ago, a co-worker of mine who was a die hard progressive admired a Latin America country. He praised how well that country was run... how they had a wonderful working public health system, wonderful energy reserves, balanced economy, a government that lacked the corruption we have in the US, a strong socialist leader that cared about the greater good of the country. I challenged him and asked if things are so great why doesn't he move there.....He said he was working on it.

Anyway, he was talking about Venezuela. I hope he moved there.... lol...

love it or leave it a false dilemma.

If you were rational you would apply the same standard to Republicans living in California.

Or the American chamber of commerce in China. They operate there and are glad for the business opportunities, but they bitch about the system.

Submitted by utcsox on February 17, 2019 - 4:43pm.

outtamojo wrote:
While we are name-calling, what are we calling the opposite of Trump derangement syndrome?

Wanting to vote for someone to "hit back at Ca. harder" is kinda nut-jobbish especially when Ca is admittedly the best place to make your family nut.

I call them the Republicans.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on February 19, 2019 - 8:43am.

when the president calls for investogation of comedy shows is it really that deranged to be alarmed?

however if trump suddenly died of natural causes there would be mass spontaneous exuberant street celebrations. hell trump death day would probably be a holiday 4 years to come. i dare say that would be a'1st in us history, celebrating death from old age and obesity, and perhaps a sign of TDS.

i admit i would raise a glass and smile to think of some big chunk of the old
turds arterial system breaking off and lodging in his heart. so calming to think of his final gasps andthe autopsy report blaming mcdonalds. the fact that he continues to live and breathe and eat junk food is proof we are alone and unwatched in this cold random universe for any G-d involved in justice wouldve acted.

Submitted by zk on February 19, 2019 - 11:36am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
when the presodent calls for investogation of comedy shows is it really that deranged to be alarmed?

trump derangement syndrome is just something that trump followers came up with because, as econtroll (or "econprof," as he hilariously calls himself) and neeta and their ilk have shown, they can't defend their positions using logic and reason. They're reduced to responding to reasonable discussions with the silly notion that anybody who's outraged at the outrage that is the trump presidency must be irrational.

It's irrational not to be alarmed. That's the real trump derangement syndrome. To be so delirious with cultish devotion to someone whom you pathetically believe when he says he's "the only one who can fix it" that you can't see the truth or the danger or the outrage.

Submitted by zk on February 19, 2019 - 11:37am.

utcsox wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
While we are name-calling, what are we calling the opposite of Trump derangement syndrome?

Wanting to vote for someone to "hit back at Ca. harder" is kinda nut-jobbish especially when Ca is admittedly the best place to make your family nut.

I call them the Republicans.

If, by the opposite of tds you mean

zk wrote:
To be so delirious with cultish devotion to someone whom you pathetically believe when he says he's "the only one who can fix it" that you can't see the truth or the danger or the outrage.

then I'd partially agree. That does seem to apply to a sizable majority of republicans.

Submitted by spdrun on February 19, 2019 - 8:52am.

scaredyclassic - I don't wish Trump badly to that extent ... I wouldn't want Pence getting into the Presidency, which would mean a socially acceptable face behind current GOP policy.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 19, 2019 - 1:52pm.

spdrun wrote:
scaredyclassic - I don't wish Trump badly to that extent ... I wouldn't want Pence getting into the Presidency, which would mean a socially acceptable face behind current GOP policy.

Did you see Pence at the Munich security conference?

The USA is declining. that serves us right for pandering to a culture of ignorance.

Submitted by Coronita on February 19, 2019 - 3:20pm.

I think it's funny that the Democrat candidates running for president these days are all nuts. But it's all entertaining to me. Warren, Harris, Bernie....Anyone not a Socialist from the Democrat party running in 2020? Lol.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 19, 2019 - 4:58pm.

flu wrote:
I think it's funny that the Democrat candidates running for president these days are all nuts. But it's all entertaining to me. Warren, Harris, Bernie....Anyone not a Socialist from the Democrat party running in 2020? Lol.

Why don't you concentrate on your own side? We'll take responsibility for our own.

You keep on wanting to blame Democrats from Trump's win. Trump won because Republicans voted for him. Doesn't get any simpler than this.

Did you consider how socialist it is to bring back the coal industry that employs only 50,000 people. Trump actually has concrete policies to produce and use more coal.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 19, 2019 - 4:59pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
when the president calls for investogation of comedy shows is it really that deranged to be alarmed?

however if trump suddenly died of natural causes there would be mass spontaneous exuberant street celebrations. hell trump death day would probably be a holiday 4 years to come. i dare say that would be a'1st in us history, celebrating death from old age and obesity, and perhaps a sign of TDS.

i admit i would raise a glass and smile to think of some big chunk of the old
turds arterial system breaking off and lodging in his heart. so calming to think of his final gasps andthe autopsy report blaming mcdonalds. the fact that he continues to live and breathe and eat junk food is proof we are alone and unwatched in this cold random universe for any G-d involved in justice wouldve acted.

This made my day. I love your prose. You write beautifully.

Submitted by outtamojo on February 19, 2019 - 6:20pm.

flu wrote:
I think it's funny that the Democrat candidates running for president these days are all nuts. But it's all entertaining to me. Warren, Harris, Bernie....Anyone not a Socialist from the Democrat party running in 2020? Lol.

I could go for pragmatism.

Submitted by Coronita on February 19, 2019 - 7:19pm.

outtamojo wrote:
flu wrote:
I think it's funny that the Democrat candidates running for president these days are all nuts. But it's all entertaining to me. Warren, Harris, Bernie....Anyone not a Socialist from the Democrat party running in 2020? Lol.

I could go for pragmatism.

yes.. but I have a feeling pragmatism is going to get drowned out. I hope not... I think the democrats leaders have fallen off the rocker....look at who is the most vocal. Who is front page on CNN... Warren, Bernie, Harris, AOC.

Submitted by spdrun on February 19, 2019 - 7:36pm.

Warren used to be a Republican -- she's pretty pragmatic. I don't get the US allergy to socializing things that are expensive as private services, like healthcare.

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