Trump is actually tougher than the overrated 4 star general mattis.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 18, 2019 - 2:00pm

Resilient. Flexible. Coldblooded. Ruthless.

I'd say trump wins.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 18, 2019 - 2:04pm.

But seriously, why are u.s. soldiers always perceived as tough. A guerrilla fighter in the jungle with no support and no hope is tough.

A cog in the worlds largest military machine just isn't tough in the same way.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 18, 2019 - 2:11pm.

i watched Jim Mattis yesterday. He's very lame compared to Trump.

Trump definitely wins. Trumps will blow up the Republican party, even the USA if he needs to protect himself. That's why we will go easy on him.

Trump will be never be prosecuted and go to jail. In the name of national reconciliation, he will get off easy. It's the fear of white low-education male voters who support Trump. And the establishment wants to protect America's standing in the world as a stable democracy. The Trump episode will be swept under the carpet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sG7N7pJ6g

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 18, 2019 - 2:17pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
But seriously, why are u.s. soldiers always perceived as tough. A guerrilla fighter in the jungle with no support and no hope is tough.

A cog in the worlds largest military machine just isn't tough in the same way.

haha, I said the same thing to an obese friend in the military after he bragged about toughness. An american soldier will not last a few days in the jungle without logistical support and communications. The mosquitos, snakes, leaches and isolation would cause the guy to die apoplectic.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 18, 2019 - 2:23pm.

Is Obama tougher than Mattis? If Obama had claimed he was, hed need to be pretty tough to survive.

Submitted by burghMan on October 18, 2019 - 2:23pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
But seriously, why are u.s. soldiers always perceived as tough. A guerrilla fighter in the jungle with no support and no hope is tough.

A cog in the worlds largest military machine just isn't tough in the same way.

"Charlie didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat. He had only two ways home: death, or victory."

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 18, 2019 - 3:01pm.

In a previously unreported 1998 interview with Howard Stern, Donald Trump compared sex to going to battle in Vietnam and joked he should be getting the Congressional Medal of Honor.

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Comparing sex to Vietnam:

"Hey, so wait a second, get back to my question," Stern said. "Let's say you're with a hot chick, right? But you're so germ paranoid, and I'm germ paranoid, do you say to them, 'look you've got to go take a medical test before I do you.'"

"Well, you'd like to say that, and sometimes you do," added Trump. "The problem is that sometimes your own chemicals take over and you can't wait."

"So you'll just have straight intercourse with a rubber with them right?" Stern asked.

"Well, I don't know, you know there's lots of different ways of doing it. It's a very complicated subject. They say that more people were killed by women in this act than killed in Vietnam, OK," Trump said.

"Yes, that is true," replied Stern.

"You know, you get criticized for that statement, but that statement is very easily true," added Trump.

Stern responded, "I even went as far to say that you're braver than any Vietnam vet because you're out there screwing a lot of women."

"Getting the Congressional Medal of Honor, in actuality," said Trump.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 18, 2019 - 3:03pm.

So brave.

I no longer hate trump, or even his supporters. Now I just feel like the whole world is shit ...

How does a fucking evangelical vote for this turd

Submitted by outtamojo on October 18, 2019 - 3:08pm.

HBO's the Righteous Gemstones is pretty funny.

Submitted by outtamojo on October 18, 2019 - 3:16pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
But seriously, why are u.s. soldiers always perceived as tough. A guerrilla fighter in the jungle with no support and no hope is tough.

A cog in the worlds largest military machine just isn't tough in the same way.

That's pretty much what Batman said to Superman during their duel.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 18, 2019 - 4:23pm.

Mattis would probably be saddened and troubled if his mistake killed a few thousand troops.

Trump would be laughing.

Advantage, trump.

Submitted by burghMan on October 18, 2019 - 5:00pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Mattis would probably be saddened and troubled if his mistake killed a few thousand troops.

Trump would be laughing.

Advantage, trump.

The incessant whining is not really a hallmark of a tough guy.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/stat...

Submitted by outtamojo on October 18, 2019 - 5:17pm.

Actually he IS laughing- he says sometimes you gotta let em fight, calls it tough love. People are actually losing their lives.

Submitted by zk on October 18, 2019 - 6:01pm.

burghMan wrote:

"Charlie didn't get much USO. He was dug in too deep or moving too fast. His idea of great R&R was cold rice and a little rat meat. He had only two ways home: death, or victory."

I love Vietnam war books and movies and documentaries and I'm always looking for another one. That quote sounds familiar, so I might have read it. But if not, I'd like to. What's it from?

Edit: Never mind. I googled it. I've seen Apocalypse Now (a few times). Back when it came out, everybody just raved about it. And it was a fantastic movie. But it was touted as being very much like the actual war and, having seen a few documentaries and read several books about that war since Apocalypse Now came out, I'd have to say it didn't age well. At least the part about it being perceived as realistic.

And, just so I'm not threadjacking, I'll add that trump seems less tough than most little girls I've known.

Submitted by burghMan on October 18, 2019 - 6:36pm.

One of my favorite movies. The movie about making the movie is also really interesting

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102015/?re...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 18, 2019 - 7:29pm.

I just got back from restorative yoga, a peaceful slow class which ends with a wish for peace to all living beings. And I kind of feel it.

Still, honestly, I hope for only bad for trump and all his family. If I could wish him dead, I would, and be joyful. I need a few more classes.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 18, 2019 - 11:14pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
So brave.

I no longer hate trump, or even his supporters. Now I just feel like the whole world is shit ...

How does a fucking evangelical vote for this turd

You write exactly how I feel!

Submitted by temeculaguy on October 19, 2019 - 12:41am.

Normally I write lengthy responses when I disagree but I don't know where to begin after reading these posts, so disappointed.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 19, 2019 - 9:02am.

burghMan wrote:
One of my favorite movies. The movie about making the movie is also really interesting

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102015/?re...

There is an Apocalypse Now nightclub in Ho Chi Minh city and a heart of darkness nightclub in Phnom Penh. Highly recommended. More fun than any nightclub in usa. I have been many times when I was younger.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 19, 2019 - 9:23am.

temeculaguy wrote:
Normally I write lengthy responses when I disagree but I don't know where to begin after reading these posts, so disappointed.

Hopefully America feels the same, and cannot vote for a buffoon who believes he is tougher than mattis.

If trump, a fat whiner, thinks hes tougher than mad dog mattis, by implication a man like trump is tougher than all u.s. troops. Since I believe most civilians alive are tougher than trump, I read trump as saying then that most any civilian I'd tougher than any u.s. troop.

Submitted by zk on October 19, 2019 - 9:19am.

burghMan wrote:
One of my favorite movies. The movie about making the movie is also really interesting

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102015/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

I'm definitely putting this on my list of things to watch. I haven't seen Apocalypse Now for 10 or 15 years. Do you think it would be better to watch Hearts of Darkness first and then Apocalypse Now again, or the other way around?

Submitted by burghMan on October 19, 2019 - 9:21am.

temeculaguy wrote:
Normally I write lengthy responses when I disagree but I don't know where to begin after reading these posts, so disappointed.

Understandable, it wasn't Brando's best performance. But you have to admit that Dennis Hopper's character was awesome.

Submitted by burghMan on October 19, 2019 - 9:26am.

zk wrote:
burghMan wrote:
One of my favorite movies. The movie about making the movie is also really interesting

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102015/?ref_=nv_sr_1?ref_=nv_sr_1

I'm definitely putting this on my list of things to watch. I haven't seen Apocalypse Now for 10 or 15 years. Do you think it would be better to watch Hearts of Darkness first and then Apocalypse Now again, or the other way around?

I think if you are familiar enough with the Apocalypse Now, you could just watch the documentary.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 19, 2019 - 9:28am.

What is toughness? Not the ability to do harm.

tough·ness

noun
1.
the state of being strong enough to withstand adverse conditions or rough handling.
"the toughness of steel"
2.
the ability to deal with hardship or to cope in difficult situations.
"they showed great mental toughness to keep going".

Trump fails.

Submitted by zk on October 19, 2019 - 9:58am.

burghMan wrote:
temeculaguy wrote:
Normally I write lengthy responses when I disagree but I don't know where to begin after reading these posts, so disappointed.

Understandable, it wasn't Brando's best performance. But you have to admit that Dennis Hopper's character was awesome.

That made me laugh!

burghMan wrote:

I think if you are familiar enough with the Apocalypse Now, you could just watch the documentary.

Thanks

Submitted by zk on October 19, 2019 - 10:11am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
What is toughness? Not the ability to do harm.

tough·ness

noun
1.
the state of being strong enough to withstand adverse conditions or rough handling.
"the toughness of steel"
2.
the ability to deal with hardship or to cope in difficult situations.
"they showed great mental toughness to keep going".

Trump fails.

zk wrote:
trump seems less tough than most little girls I've known.

Yeah, lots of little girls get teased and called names and maybe bullied. They get pressure from their parents and pressure from their peers. They are subject to adverse conditions regularly. And most of them take it much better than trump does. Most of them learn and move on. Not our president, though. Nope. He whines and complains and lashes out and acts out. He attacks and he lies and he makes things up about people and he blames everybody else but himself for everything.

trump is way less tough than most little girls.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 19, 2019 - 1:37pm.

Setting aside moral judgments is a Vietnam vet who comes back with PTSD and hooked on heroin tougher than a protestor who went to prison protesting imperialistic wars?

Americas range of toughness invariably veers toward bellicosity.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 19, 2019 - 1:47pm.

Setting aside moral judgments is a Vietnam vet who comes back with PTSD and hooked on heroin tougher than a protestor who got shot by cops and went to prison protesting imperialistic wars?

Americas intuitive range of toughness invariably veers toward bellicosity.

"Dont be a tough guy, dont be a fool!"

Trump to erdogan

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 19, 2019 - 3:39pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:

Americas intuitive range of toughness invariably veers toward bellicosity.

yeah and Americans have no long term endurance. it's sports culture that values getting a trophy, juicing to gain the strength to win the prize, but dismissing people who develop healthy life long habits but never win prizes. To me, the guy who has his moment of glory, but then falls apart is no hero. The real tough ones are people who develop impulse control and plug along, against adversity for a long, long time.

Everyone (well, nearly everyone) was ready to go to war in Iraq, but now everyone disowns that terrible decision. I remember, back in 2001, I felt like one of the lone voices opposing the war, lest I be called traitor for not wanting to go kick Muslim ass. Of course, now, no apology from the people who supported the war.

All those heroes of war, including Mattis, they wouldn't exist had there been no war in Iraq.

Submitted by svelte on October 19, 2019 - 8:37pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:

Americas intuitive range of toughness invariably veers toward bellicosity.

yeah and Americans have no long term endurance. it's sports culture that values getting a trophy, juicing to gain the strength to win the prize, but dismissing people who develop healthy life long habits but never win prizes.

Look at the Romans with their Colosseums.

They had sporting events for every season to keep the plebs occupied, to satisfy the masses, to distract from the important topics of the day.

Same with America today.

Been the same for millenniums.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 21, 2019 - 10:45am.

From an entertainment perspective, it would be fun to watch trump win a second term.
He’s going to get much “tougher” and crazier.

In many ways, America deserves Trump.

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