Totally OT: Governator sires child with Home worker...

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Submitted by CAwireman on May 17, 2011 - 10:32pm

By now everyone has likely heard of this one.

Ex Gov has a child by a home staffer 10 years ago and allegedly kept it from his wife and family until just recently.

This just smacks of being a 21st century example of a plantation owner taking liberties with his slaves, and for like or identical motivations all around.

There's talk that the Democrats found out and had been blackmailing/manipulating him while he was in office. (rumor mill)

Nothing new under the son, but still, didn't see that one coming.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 17, 2011 - 10:52pm.

shoulda got a vasectomy

Submitted by NotCranky on May 17, 2011 - 11:00pm.

walterwhite wrote:
shoulda got a vasectomy

It wasn't in the script.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on May 18, 2011 - 6:31am.

"This just smacks of being a 21st century example of a plantation owner taking liberties with his slaves, and for like or identical motivations all around."

What?!?

Give me a break. Bad analogy.

CE

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 18, 2011 - 6:52am.

It is interesting how even famous rich people sleep with those right under their noses. It seems kind of lame. I think it may be fundamentally human to want to have sex w people near you. Or as Stephen stills said, love the one your with

Submitted by Coronita on May 18, 2011 - 6:56am.

Well, it is really surprising he's a slimball?
Maybe not a bad governor, but obviously his personal life is a mess.

Submitted by earlyretirement on May 18, 2011 - 7:02am.

I'm not surprised by this. Politicians are slimy and tend to have a bigger creep factor than the average citizen. Many have a sense of entitlement and a feeling they can do what they want and get away with it.

Just look at a few of the examples out there:

- Spitzer in NY seeing prostitutes

- Governors running off to Argentina to see their mistress

- Presidential candidates having affairs

- So called politicians that are conservative running off in men's restrooms meeting gay guys

- Even politicians using Craigslist and sending actual photos of themselves!!

So many examples. I'm not surprised by his behavior. I'm only surprised it was a secret this long.

Politicians are for the most part hypocrites.

Submitted by jpinpb on May 18, 2011 - 7:17am.

Yeah. I'm not surprised by the roll in the hay w/the maid. Men will be men regardless of their profession. I'm surprised it was kept secret this long. I find it hard to believe this wasn't found out by Democrats when he was running for office, so it wouldn't surprise me that they knew and were blackmailing him.

Submitted by CAwireman on May 18, 2011 - 8:49am.

Would have hoped he'd have matured enough to be a decent dad, husband before he tried for Governor.

The internet is awash with embarrasing photos/videos.

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/...

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/...

http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2011/0...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uerFZ2Z42nc

Also, I do think the plantation owner analogy is fitting. A worker who is either fearful of losing a good job, or who is enthralled with either the power or celebrity might not think clearly enough to resist. Back in the plantation era, I can think of no notably different motivations accept that the fear factor would go much much deeper. And, shame on Arnold for taking advantage of the poor & weak when he had the benefit of fortune and time to grow into a thoughtful judicious adult (but actually failed to do so..) No, Arny disappointed his kids, wife, CA, and the world. His legacy will be forever stained by this indiscretion.

Too bad, I had actually begun to admire him for taking a shot at helping to better CA. Now, he'll hold derogatory punchline status on late night talkshows through the rest of his days. I wonder if he'll ever show up on Leno or Letterman again. Pity...

Submitted by briansd1 on May 18, 2011 - 8:55am.

It's been discussed on this thread:

http://piggington.com/ot_quotbob_rubin_j...

Arnold is now the Sperminator. ;)

Submitted by NotCranky on May 18, 2011 - 8:56am.

Why the maid?

It is easy to avoid casual temptation with infrequent encounters. Not as easy with a second female companion in the house if the cheaters lover life stinks and maybe even if it is good but there is lots of chemistry with the third party. Maria Shriver completely lacks a sexual spark and always has. It is easier to pay the maid extra money to go along quietly. She may see advantages in that for the offspring. The treats for her mean enough that she will be more likely to remain quiet than someone of more means or access to a man with means who will actually take her on as a partner.

Submitted by briansd1 on May 18, 2011 - 9:11am.

I think that Arnold's child from the affair, if he's smart, will become a famous actor, or even Governor of California, or President of the United States.

It's not been revealed who the mother and child are. But the fear of most uppity White housewives now is that Arnold carried on the affair with the Mexican maid. You can bet that wives will be watching their husbands for a while.

Submitted by CAwireman on May 18, 2011 - 9:16am.

Rustico,

I totally understand human frailty/weakness and don't place the blame too much on the maid. Arny should have evolved more and not done the deed at that point in his life. Briansd1 - it would be poetic justice for his offspring to become President as that's what's been postulated to be Arnold's secret desire, despite not being eligible due to lock of being natural-born.

Oh yeah, there are now photos of the maid:

http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/05/see-ph...

Not too hard on the eyes even now, and was probably even more beautiful a decade ago. Easy to see what the gov saw in her. Shame on him for not keeping it in his pants.

Submitted by davelj on May 18, 2011 - 9:16am.

earlyretirement wrote:

Politicians are for the most part hypocrites.

Substitute "humans" for "politicians" and you've got it right.

Submitted by CAwireman on May 18, 2011 - 9:19am.

Briansd,

This is great!

briansd1 wrote:

Arnold is now the Sperminator. ;)

Submitted by davelj on May 18, 2011 - 9:27am.

HiggyBaby wrote:
Shame on him for not keeping it in his pants.

In my view the shame isn't that he couldn't keep it in his pants; it's that he couldn't acknowledge that he couldn't keep it in his pants. He should've either (1) long ago told Maria that he wanted have sex with other women (and she probably would've divorced him then), or (2) divorced Maria long ago so that he could have sex with other women without all of these problems. But, as we know, that wouldn't have "looked good" for someone running for Governor... so he tried to have his cake and eat it too... and here we are. I would like to see an unmarried politician just stand up and say, "Hey, I like to run around with different women. Just like the rest of my (political) colleagues. The difference being that I'm single." That person would never get elected, of course... that's too much honesty for most folks to handle.

Submitted by briansd1 on May 18, 2011 - 9:57am.

HiggyBaby wrote:
Briansd1 - it would be poetic justice for his offspring to become President as that's what's been postulated to be Arnold's secret desire, despite not being eligible due to lock of being natural-born.

Oh yeah, there are now photos of the maid:

http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/05/see-ph...

I'm always like a couple day behind the news.

If I were Arnold, I'd groom my son to be become El Presidente.

His son will get all the Hispanic votes. And as a Republican, he'll get the White votes.

Of course, being a "soft" Republican (like Arnold), the kid will get the centrist votes.

El Presidente is a dream candidate in the making.

His other kids with Maria have the liabilities of privilege and the Kennedy name.

Submitted by briansd1 on May 18, 2011 - 10:03am.

davelj wrote:

In my view the shame isn't that he couldn't keep it in his pants; it's that he couldn't acknowledge that he couldn't keep it in his pants. He should've either (1) long ago told Maria that he wanted have sex with other women (and she probably would've divorced him then), or (2) divorced Maria long ago so that he could have sex with other women without all of these problems. But, as we know, that wouldn't have "looked good" for someone running for Governor... so he tried to have his cake and eat it too... and here we are. I would like to see an unmarried politician just stand up and say, "Hey, I like to run around with different women. Just like the rest of my (political) colleagues. The difference being that I'm single." That person would never get elected, of course... that's too much honesty for most folks to handle.

That's very well said, dave.

As you said before, the institution of marriage doesn't necessarily have anything to do with love and sex, even though people wish them them be.

Also, love doesn't necessarily have anything to do with sex. And love doesn't necessarily have anything to do with marriage.

And if marriage, love and sex coincide, it's likely only temporary. People change as time passes.

I think that honesty is too much for our puritan society to handle.

Submitted by earlyretirement on May 18, 2011 - 6:05pm.

HiggyBaby wrote:
Rustico,

Not too hard on the eyes even now, and was probably even more beautiful a decade ago. Easy to see what the gov saw in her. Shame on him for not keeping it in his pants.

"Not too hard on the eyes"??? I guess we all have different tastes in women. Google, "Mildred Baena" and then click on images.

I was expecting to see some gorgeous type. I was really surprised to see 'that'. I totally disagree and think she is the furthest thing from attractive. JMHO.

Not sure how anyone didn't know the kid wasn't his. Googling that name I see a photo of the kid and he looks exactly like Arnold and his mom.

The people I feel the most sorry for is his kids with Maria Shriver. I'm sure they are crushed. I heard his son was even changing his last name to Shriver after this mess.

Arnold probably should have just done what many politicians do and stick to professional prostitutes and escorts.

Submitted by eavesdropper on May 18, 2011 - 12:12pm.

davelj wrote:
HiggyBaby wrote:
Shame on him for not keeping it in his pants.

In my view the shame isn't that he couldn't keep it in his pants; it's that he couldn't acknowledge that he couldn't keep it in his pants. He should've either (1) long ago told Maria that he wanted have sex with other women (and she probably would've divorced him then), or (2) divorced Maria long ago so that he could have sex with other women without all of these problems. But, as we know, that wouldn't have "looked good" for someone running for Governor... so he tried to have his cake and eat it too... and here we are. I would like to see an unmarried politician just stand up and say, "Hey, I like to run around with different women. Just like the rest of my (political) colleagues. The difference being that I'm single." That person would never get elected, of course... that's too much honesty for most folks to handle.

davelj, many years ago (shortly after their marriage) I read an interview with Maria Shriver in which she was questioned about rumors regarding her husband's proclivities. She, of course, was evasive, but it appeared to me that, while she did not endorse or encourage Mr. Schwarzenegger's extramarital dalliances, she recognized the possibility (and perhaps the probability) that they would occur. There has always been an abundance of speculation on the extensive length of their courtship, and its on-again/ off-again nature, with most people concluding that it resulted from Arnold's alleged affairs. I got the impression from the interview that Ms. Shriver felt that she had come to terms with this behavior, and believed that a successful marriage was possible.

That being said, there's a huge difference between overlooking your husband's occasional (or even frequent) extramarital dalliances, and the current situation. Mr. Schwarzenegger impregnated another woman, and kept the fact that he had a child by her secret from his wife and family for several years. That, in itself, is a pretty monumental douchebag thing to do. But far worse is the fact that the woman in question was permitted to maintain a place of responsibility and trust within the Schwarzenegger/ Shriver family. We have no way of knowing what kind of relationship was maintained between Ms. Baena and Mrs. Shriver and her children, but as a housekeeper, she was a participant in intimate family moments and events. Given the length of her employment with the family, it would not be a stretch to assume that a warm and friendly association existed.

Added to that is the fact that the children of the two women were born less than a week apart. Ms. Shriver's feelings of betrayal in these circumstances cannot be overestimated. Anyone can make a mistake, as Mr. Schwarzenegger certainly did in engaging in an extramarital affair with a married member of his personal household staff. But to compound it to this degree, in my eyes, is not only incredibly arrogant on his part, but unthinkably cruel and heartless.

It's just a sad and sordid tale all around.

Submitted by deadzone on May 18, 2011 - 12:25pm.

Enough already with the morality debate and discussion on love and marriage. The first poster had it right. The only real mistake Arnold made was not having a vasecomy. Period.

Submitted by afx114 on May 18, 2011 - 12:45pm.

Reading pigginton is as satisfying to me as cumming is. Can you believe how much I am in heaven? I am like, getting the feeling of cumming on my latop, I am getting the feeling of cumming on my iPhone, the feeling of cumming when I post in front of 5 or 6 people, so I'm cumming day and night!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN253RLDdM8

Submitted by bearishgurl on May 18, 2011 - 1:24pm.

eavesdropper wrote:
. . . Added to that is the fact that the children of the two women were born less than a week apart. Ms. Shriver's feelings of betrayal in these circumstances cannot be overestimated. Anyone can make a mistake, as Mr. Schwarzenegger certainly did in engaging in an extramarital affair with a married member of his personal household staff. But to compound it to this degree, in my eyes, is not only incredibly arrogant on his part, but unthinkably cruel and heartless . . .

A very astute observation, eavesdropper. As I stated earlier, In my non-expert opinion, Arnold showed several tell-tale signs of suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), even prior to the leak of his "love-child" revelation.

http://piggington.com/ot_holy_crap_schwa...

As you may be aware, there is no cure for this "affliction." For successful long-term mental and emotional survival, repeated "victims" of a person so afflicted are encouraged in all the literature on the subject to cut off contact with the NPD or "N" and never look back (to maintain their own sense of self and self-image). Obviously, many "victims," such as Maria here, have family with the "N." In that case, communication with the "N" should get straight to the point having to do with the mutual family member only, to prevent getting "sucked back into" the (often charismatic) "N's" web (preferably in writing).

see: http://www.medicinenet.com/narcissistic_...

The study of NPD is indeed fascinating.

Submitted by bearishgurl on May 18, 2011 - 1:38pm.

This old clip of Arnold just further reinforces my not-so-expert opinion that Arnold is an "N."

Submitted by eavesdropper on May 18, 2011 - 1:39pm.

deadzone wrote:
Enough already with the morality debate and discussion on love and marriage. The first poster had it right. The only real mistake Arnold made was not having a vasecomy. Period.

In all seriousness, I don't think it's anyone's damn business (including my own). However, if my fellow Piggs want to engage in speculation on the subject, I reserve the right to speculate on the reasoning (or lack thereof, as may sometimes be the case) behind their speculations.

As for yours, perhaps the only real mistake was in the failure of Arnold's father to have a vasectomy.

Submitted by eavesdropper on May 18, 2011 - 1:44pm.

bearishgurl wrote:
The study of NPD is indeed fascinating.

It is, indeed, when done from an academic point of view. Not so much when conducted from the vantage point of spouse.

Fortunately, I am no longer in that position. But I've conducted fieldwork worthy of that required for a doctorate!

Submitted by briansd1 on May 18, 2011 - 2:04pm.

I think that the general thinking is very "establishment".

Poor Maria and her kids.... it was a mistake on the part of Arnold.

But what about Arnold's son with the other woman? Does he not count? Was he a mistake? Is he supposed to be made to feel that he was a mistake?

If I were Arnold, I'd take my son under my wing and groom him to become somebody. What's done is done. Make the best of it.

Submitted by jpinpb on May 18, 2011 - 2:15pm.

Since we're going to speculate and conjecture, then I'll toss my opinion. He's a guy. Guy's have needs they can't control. Back to the old joke of why women have no brains -- they don't have a penis to put it in. Not to put guys down, b/c I think it's physical thing. I don't think he was being heartless initially. He just didn't think. He wanted his physical needs satisfied and the maid was there, so he did what he desired and there was no other thought process involved. It is a very primate, physical need/desire.

Now does society expect those desires to be squashed, for men to control themselves, whether right or wrong. Yes. But as we see all too often, it is not that easy. This is not reserved to politicians. Tiger, anyone? And however many other sports figures or actors or whatever. The normal guy out there is just the same, only he's not in the public image and you don't read about it in the news.

As also mentioned, sadly society wants our politician to be a family man, as opposed to a swinging single person. Maybe b/c society expects family men to be responsible and therefore can be responsible w/the public office they have. Very often society holds higher expectations for someone who is in the public image and therefore, they have an unspoken obligation to uphold their position in favorable light.

I agree w/eavesdropper. For him to have a sexual indiscretion, that can be condoned and understood. To have lied to the family, to the public, to have the woman in the home for all these years, well, it is somewhat disgusting. How do you trust someone like that ever again? It is deplorable and bordering dispicable. It is the ultimate betrayal.

While the initial sexual act can be overlooked as he wasn't thinking about what he was doing in his moment of -- let's call it what it is, horniness -- clearly everything that transpired thereafter was thought about carefully.

Submitted by briansd1 on May 18, 2011 - 2:58pm.

eavesdropper wrote:
bearishgurl wrote:
The study of NPD is indeed fascinating.

It is, indeed, when done from an academic point of view. Not so much when conducted from the vantage point of spouse.

Fortunately, I am no longer in that position. But I've conducted fieldwork worthy of that required for a doctorate!

Easdropper, I'd be interested in your academic view of the DSK affair. That one is much more interesting that Arnold's.

Unlike other politicians, Arnold never claimed to be holier-than-thou and he never ran on morality.

The DSK affair shines light upon an establishment that's protected the good ol' boys for too long. What does it say about French democracy and the ideals they hold so dear?

What does it say about the wife, Anne Sinclair, who's standing by her husband?

What about the powerful men who seem to believe that they are seductors when in fact they use their power oppress?

Submitted by Scarlett on May 18, 2011 - 3:13pm.

Yes, DSK case is much more interesting. It's deserving its own thread, even though Arnold's affair is more disgusting in the circumstances (what happened, or didn't, after sex) and closer to home.

Submitted by jpinpb on May 18, 2011 - 3:29pm.

Scarlett wrote:
Yes, DSK case is much more interesting. It's deserving its own thread, even though Arnold's affair is more disgusting in the circumstances (what happened, or didn't, after sex) and closer to home.

I really feel bad for Maria. Here's she's pregnant and at the same time the maid is pregnant w/Arnold's kid. And the whole time she never knew.

I think Arnold is a coward. Why is it so hard to take responsibility for one's actions? Be a man and own up. Would it have been too difficult to say, "Hey, Maria. You know you married a dog. I'm not going to change. I'm going to bang and grope always. I'm also a lazy dog and I can't bother to wear protection so I knocked up the maid." That would've been nice to know. Make sure to get tested for any STDs.

But, I guess it is a matter of ego thinking they can do whatever they want, whenever they want w/whoever they want w/out reprecussions.

But I must emphasize that for me, the infidelity sexually is not as bad as the years of lying.

Right now, to me, the guy is just bad. Bad actor. Bad governor. Bad husband. Bad father. Just bad.

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