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Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 23, 2020 - 8:21am

Basically China is trying to quarantine an area and a population the size of L.A.
Note sure the death toll is quite accurate.

I wish them well, in the mean time "1" case in L.A. and one in Seattle (not sure how many were on the planes)
Take weeks to show symptoms.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 8:36am.

I think we should temporarily ban travelers to and from China. For the safety of people in the US. It's the right thing to do, and other countries are already thinking of doing similar things. This is potentially a public health crisis.

You know how people got this right? People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized. Just one more fxcked up thing to come out of China. It figures.

Submitted by zk on January 23, 2020 - 12:28pm.

flu wrote:
People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized.

Why is it less civilized to eat snakes than to eat, say, cows?

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 23, 2020 - 12:52pm.

We need to get some of theseWe need to get some of these

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 2:35pm.

zk wrote:
flu wrote:
People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized.

Why is it less civilized to eat snakes than to eat, say, cows?

Because animals like snakes, bats, rats, possums that are eaten are not inspected and being wild, they also are.known animals to have a propensity.of carrying diseases, not just limited to rabies.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 2:36pm.

zk wrote:
flu wrote:
People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized.

Why is it less civilized to eat snakes than to eat, say, cows?

Because animals like snakes, bats, rats, possums that are eaten are not inspected and being wild, they also are known animals to have a propensity of carrying diseases, not just limited to rabies.

Submitted by spdrun on January 23, 2020 - 4:24pm.

People eat fish from the ocean -- that's a wild animal. People eat venison that they hunt -- it's a delicacy to some. Every food comes with some risk. Intensive ("civilized") pig and chicken farming is probably more responsible for spreading illness than eating snake meat.

Submitted by gzz on January 23, 2020 - 5:21pm.

Pigs are the major meat animal most closely related to human beings and thus the largest disease risk.

Primates are sporadically consumed for meat in Africa and Asia, sometimes called “bush meat.” This is how HIV first infected human beings, likely in Congo in the 1950s.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 5:33pm.

gzz wrote:
Pigs are the major meat animal most closely related to human beings and thus the largest disease risk.

Primates are sporadically consumed for meat in Africa and Asia, sometimes called “bush meat.” This is how HIV first infected human beings, likely in Congo in the 1950s.

yes but you have something here that actually inspects meat here. And it's unlikely you will find fish here that is preserved in Mercury bath unlike China .

I think you guys are missing the point. The analogy would be if you caught a bunch of squirrels or wild rabbits in your backyard, killed them, and took them to the local swap meet to sell them as food without any sort of inspection.

Submitted by zk on January 23, 2020 - 6:20pm.

flu wrote:

I think you guys are missing the point. The analogy would be if you caught a bunch of squirrels or wild rabbits in your backyard, killed them, and took them to the local swap meet to sell them as food without any sort of inspection.

If the current republican administration has its way, some of the responsibility for slaughterhouse food safety will be transferred to those who could save (make more) money by cutting corners. Which could be as (or more) dangerous than (obviously far more widespread than) selling wild squirrels at the market.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/opini...

Efficient government is good. Slashing government in mindless pursuit of small government is not.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 7:46pm.

zk wrote:
flu wrote:

I think you guys are missing the point. The analogy would be if you caught a bunch of squirrels or wild rabbits in your backyard, killed them, and took them to the local swap meet to sell them as food without any sort of inspection.

If the current republican administration has its way, some of the responsibility for slaughterhouse food safety will be transferred to those who could save (make more) money by cutting corners. Which could be as (or more) dangerous than (obviously far more widespread than) selling wild squirrels at the market.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/opini...

Efficient government is good. Slashing government in mindless pursuit of small government is not.

really zk? Another political bent ? We are so far away from the (lack of ) food safety in China it's not even close. not by a long mile.

Watch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5oQbCOz9nlU

There's a reason why some Chinese people here refuse to buy any food that was made in China or from China

Submitted by zk on January 23, 2020 - 9:48pm.

flu wrote:
We are so far away from the (lack of ) food safety in China it's not even close. not by a long mile.

Totally beside the point. You indicated that eating uninspected food is uncivilized. I pointed out that the political party you seem to support thinks that leaving inspection up to the wolves running the henhouse (and thus probably eating uninspected food) is ok.

Of course, just because you (seem to) support the republican party in general doesn't mean you support all their policies. If you think eating uninspected food is uncivilized, it seems like you'd be against that particular proposal.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 10:14pm.

zk wrote:
flu wrote:
We are so far away from the (lack of ) food safety in China it's not even close. not by a long mile.

Totally beside the point. You indicated that eating uninspected food is uncivilized. I pointed out that the political party you seem to support thinks that leaving inspection up to the wolves running the henhouse (and thus probably eating uninspected food) is ok.

Of course, just because you (seem to) support the republican party in general doesn't mean you support all their policies. If you think eating uninspected food is uncivilized, it seems like you'd be against that particular proposal.

No, I said the entire food system in China is uncivilized
including everything

1) eating wild uninspected animals

2) being able to sell wild uninspected animals on the free market

3) having virtually no food product safety standard enforced at the local level because of all the Corruption

4) people accepting this as acceptable.

You brought up the unrelated bent on Republicans and which had nothing to do with China's problem. This isn't the first time China had such a widespread public health issue. First it was SARS and their pathetic attempt to cover up the severity it. And then it was the melamine that the government also covered up and downplayed the severity.

You are crazy if you comparing the Chinese government to the Republicans... The worst Republicans and Progressives are still light years ahead of the shit that goes on in China.

None of you people have any idea how bad things are there, because most of you who see the Chinese here in the US are the top 1% of the privileged population.

Anyway, I don't care if you want to go eat food manufactured in China. If you want to take a chance, by all means go for it. Your life, your choice. It's just bizzare to see people even attempt to make comparisons to politicians here versus in China.

Submitted by zk on January 23, 2020 - 10:15pm.

flu wrote:

No, I said the entire food system in China is uncivilized


That's not what you said. you said eating snakes is uncivilized:

flu wrote:

People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized.

flu wrote:

You are crazy if you comparing the Chinese government to the Republicans... The worst Republicans and Progressives are still light years ahead of the shit that goes on in China.

I'm not comparing the Chinese government to the republicans. I'm saying that if you think eating uninspected food is uncivilized, you should disagree with republicans' attempts to leave oversight of inspection to those who can profit from the lack thereof.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 23, 2020 - 10:28pm.

I had snake in Taiwan. Not really my thing. But not bad.
I had alligator in Florida. You can have bison at Ted’s Montana Grill.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 10:34pm.

Good for you Brian. Be proud of how worldly you are. NOT!

And again food product safety in Taiwan is light years ahead of China. So how you're drawing comparisons between two different countries under two different systems is bizarre.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 10:38pm.

zk wrote:
flu wrote:

No, I said the entire food system in China is uncivilized


That's not what you said. you said eating snakes is uncivilized:

flu wrote:

People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized.

And what might have led you to think that I agree with everything Republicans say and do? And I'll ask again, what does how this thing that the Republicans are trying to do (as outlandish as it is) have anything to do with what is going on in China right now?

You know what. I don't care. You and yellow fever cheerleader Brian can go to china, get sick for all I care.

flu wrote:

You are crazy if you comparing the Chinese government to the Republicans... The worst Republicans and Progressives are still light years ahead of the shit that goes on in China.

I'm not comparing the Chinese government to the republicans. I'm saying that if you think eating uninspected food is uncivilized, you should disagree with republicans' attempts to leave oversight of inspection to those who can profit from the lack thereof.

And what might have led you to think that I agree with everything Republicans say and do? And I'll ask again, what does how this thing that the Republicans are trying to do (as outlandish as it is) have anything to do with what is going on in China right now to have been brought up in this context in this thread? Why not bring up the leaded water in Flint, Michigan while we are at it?

Totally bizarre.

Submitted by flu on January 23, 2020 - 10:47pm.

I don't know, but some of you sure seem hell bent on trying to pick a fight on Piggington over anything republican in any sort of context imho. Also bizarre

Submitted by outtamojo on January 23, 2020 - 11:04pm.

I got taken in by the Ebola doomsayers...sniff...

Submitted by ocrenter on January 23, 2020 - 11:35pm.

flu wrote:
I think we should temporarily ban travelers to and from China. For the safety of people in the US. It's the right thing to do, and other countries are already thinking of doing similar things. This is potentially a public health crisis.

You know how people got this right? People initially got it from eatting snakes. Come on now, really? Geesh. Talk about uncivilized. Just one more fxcked up thing to come out of China. It figures.

Likely increased consumption of these wild animals after the CCP botched the handling of the swine flu epidemic, underreported the severity, which resulted in extreme price hike of pork.

This coronravirus outbreak started in December, but only came to light because of foreign cases.

What an absolute mess!

Submitted by ocrenter on January 23, 2020 - 11:38pm.

flu wrote:
zk wrote:
flu wrote:

I think you guys are missing the point. The analogy would be if you caught a bunch of squirrels or wild rabbits in your backyard, killed them, and took them to the local swap meet to sell them as food without any sort of inspection.

If the current republican administration has its way, some of the responsibility for slaughterhouse food safety will be transferred to those who could save (make more) money by cutting corners. Which could be as (or more) dangerous than (obviously far more widespread than) selling wild squirrels at the market.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/opini...

Efficient government is good. Slashing government in mindless pursuit of small government is not.

really zk? Another political bent ? We are so far away from the (lack of ) food safety in China it's not even close. not by a long mile.

Watch

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5oQbCOz9nlU

There's a reason why some Chinese people here refuse to buy any food that was made in China or from China

Agree. This is the main reason why they had the Shanghai Costco stampede.

Submitted by Myriad on January 24, 2020 - 12:17am.

Food safety and honest reporting of issues is one area China hasn't quite figured out yet.
On the other hand, they are building a 1000 person quarantine facility in 6 days. And what other government can just lock down 8 cities with 20+M people right before The major holiday.

But, yeah, people still go down to HK to buy as much foreign milk powder as possible. Not sure if there is still a limit of 2 bags.

The problem isn't eating the weird animals. As long as they are inspected, kept in segregated and clean conditions, and managed properly. The issue is when all the animals are mixed together in small closed areas such as a market where the killing happens and things like blood get intermixed.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 24, 2020 - 5:30am.

Flu, I wasn’t making any comparison with regard to food safety. My point was that people eat different animals all over the world.

I’m disappointed in you, flu. I expected you to talk about how to make money.

I have tenants from China and the wife works in retail arbitrage. During Black Friday she shipped 1000 boxes to China. Now she’s sending masks to China. Online retail in China is on fire. Her WeChat feed is all about brand name products people want.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 24, 2020 - 5:30am.

Flu, I wasn’t making any comparison with regard to food safety. My point was that people eat different animals all over the world.

I’m disappointed in you, flu. I expected you to talk about how to make money.

I have tenants from China and the wife works in retail arbitrage. During Black Friday she shipped 1000 boxes to China. Now she’s sending masks to China. Online retail in China is on fire. Her WeChat feed is all about brand name products people want.

Submitted by ocrenter on January 24, 2020 - 7:01am.

Myriad wrote:
Food safety and honest reporting of issues is one area China hasn't quite figured out yet.
On the other hand, they are building a 1000 person quarantine facility in 6 days. And what other government can just lock down 8 cities with 20+M people right before The major holiday.

The need to quarantine 20 mil people is proof that China has been drastically underreporting this epidemic.

Med students are taught that they need to multiply by 3 on quantity reported by alcoholics.

Epidemiologists are realizing they need to multiply by 20 on death toll reported by China.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 24, 2020 - 7:55am.

So basically China is now trying to quarantine an area and a population the size of California.

China has extended its travel ban to 13 cities, covering 35 million people. (CNBC & NY Times)

* CDC: Level 3 health warning for coronavirus; State Department: Level 2 travel advisory (CNBC)
* China to build 1000-bed hospital over weekend (Reuters)

Walt Disney's (DIS) Shanghai Disney Resort will be closed until further notice to help China stop the spread of the flu-like virus, costing the theme park operator revenue during the country's biggest holiday season. China is on a seven-day Lunar New Year holiday, a period when the Shanghai Disney park would be usually packed with tourists. (Reuters)

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 24, 2020 - 9:25am.

From a logistics and industrial engineering perspective, the quarantine and containment are amazing. I want to see the hospital built in 6 days.

Submitted by zk on January 24, 2020 - 9:53am.

zk wrote:

Of course, just because you (seem to) support the republican party in general doesn't mean you support all their policies. If you think eating uninspected food is uncivilized, it seems like you'd be against that particular proposal.

flu wrote:

And what might have led you to think that I agree with everything Republicans say and do?

You're not reading very carefully.

flu wrote:

And I'll ask again, what does how this thing that the Republicans are trying to do (as outlandish as it is) have anything to do with what is going on in China right now to have been brought up in this context in this thread? Why not bring up the leaded water in Flint, Michigan while we are at it?

Totally bizarre.

It was mildly off topic. No need to get your panties in a wad.

It was relevant, tangentially at best, because you have said (or implied...or maybe I inferred) that you are for smaller government. But in this thread you seemed to be quite taken aback by people eating uninspected food. I merely pointed out that the party you seem to support is taking steps in a direction that could lead to millions of Americans eating uninspected food.

Submitted by flu on January 24, 2020 - 3:28pm.

Despite MSM reporting the infection is around 900, my local sources abroad are telling me confirmed cases are closer to 4000 right now. And unconfirmed cases conceivably is closer to 10k. That sort of explains the lockdown on those cities in China so quickly. The numbers, unsurprisongly, are underreported.

Submitted by Myriad on January 24, 2020 - 5:26pm.

Would not be surprised if a significant portion of China's cities will restrict intercity travel before this is over.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 24, 2020 - 11:59pm.

Doom and gloom coming from you, flu?
This is bad, but China will get thought it and all will be forgotten in time.
The silver lining is that they will be able to show their logistics prowess in the process.

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