Top 10 reasonst NOT to vote for Ron Paul

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Submitted by Sandi Egan on December 22, 2007 - 3:20am

With his strong message of less government and lower taxes, why wouldn't you vote for Ron Paul in 2008?

  1. You feel very sorry for the needy corporations that wouldn't get bailouts and subsidies.
  2. You didn't think he made the song “his own”; apparently, you have confused the election with American Idol.
  3. You only trust lawyers as your politicians.
  4. You think Habeas Corpus is the original US Policy on Zombie Invasion.
  5. You wouldn't know what to do with the extra money you saved from taxes.
  6. You hate making decisions and look forward to the hassle-free lifestyle of a government controlled future.
  7. You didn't think he had a chance to win. (Yet this logic doesn't seem to stop you from playing the lottery.)
  8. Being monitored everywhere you go makes you feel like a celebrity!
  9. You like taking your shoes off at the airport. It makes you feel safe.
  10. You think the right to bare arms has something to do with T-Shirts.

http://www.micahnelson.com/wp-content/up...

Submitted by 34f3f3f on December 22, 2007 - 9:59am.

11. Sardonic political campaigning.

Submitted by barnaby33 on December 22, 2007 - 10:42am.

He's:

  • A moderately xenophobic nut job who's sole claim to fame is that he wants to bring back the gold standard and abolish the FED.
  • He has demonstrated that he has no deep appreciation for the current fiscal crisis, other than that we have had a lot of inflation in our currency over the last 90 or so years.
  • He thinks foreigers of all stripes are untrustworthy dogs, yet Americans are made of gold.
  • He sees an internationalist/liberal/(insert pejorative here) conspiracy behind almost every treaty we have signed.
  • His campaign website is extremely light on details of how he could accomplish ANY of the things he says he wants to do.
  • His belief set while strongly libertarian in economics is equally strongly Christian conservative in social politics.

Josh

Submitted by Nonbeliever on December 22, 2007 - 10:54am.

#9 is the best! That is always my favorite thing to do while standing in that congo line.

Submitted by Arty on December 22, 2007 - 12:42pm.

And don't forget: He wants government to be out of our lives. Yet he want to outlaw abortion. He is a hypocrite and an oxymoron. Since he embrace the internet so much, don't feel sorry when someone is attacking him. Like I say, he is not a Nazi, he is worse than a Nazi.

Submitted by masayako on December 22, 2007 - 4:42pm.

Arty,

Stop judging Ron Paul only by his belief in abortion. He is a doctor, for God's sake. I like Ron Paul & I will vote for him. Ron is a good man. I have talked to him and emailed him directly. He says what he believes and he believes what most true Americans believe. That's the important part.

Submitted by jeeman on December 22, 2007 - 5:01pm.

You advocate the shredding of innocent lives, and then thrown into the trash can so that the mother can have her freedom to party, and you're saying Ron Paul is worse than a Nazi? LOL

As you well know, there was a time in Germany when people thought killing innocent Jews was quite ok too.

Jeeman

Submitted by barnaby33 on December 22, 2007 - 5:07pm.

Um Arty, I don't agree with a fair amount of Ron Paul's statements or positions, but by no means is he a Nazi. That was just stupid. He has a narrow view of the world, but he is NOT a Nazi, a fascist or anything of that ilk.

Josh

Submitted by Lyra on December 22, 2007 - 6:29pm.

Did Ron Paul really say he wants to outlaw abortion? All I've heard him say is that he wants to return the right to ban abortion to the states. If you live in a blue state like California that means you'll almost certainly retain the right to an abortion.

Lyra

Submitted by Lyra on December 22, 2007 - 6:36pm.

Oh, and congratulations for getting to Godwin's Law on only the fourth post...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Lyra

Submitted by nostradamus on December 22, 2007 - 7:33pm.

Godwin's law, love it.

I won't be voting for Ron Paul. IMO he's hypocrite and a right-wing, xenophobic nut job. His website is simplistic and misleading, you've got to dig a little deeper to see what he really is saying. I'm happy with my finances and won't vote with my wallet in mind and won't be scared into thinking that other candidates are going to steal my money, take away my rights, or intrude on my life any more than I am ready to accept in my responsibility as a U.S. citizen. Using fear to sway a vote is a step backwards, they do this in Africa with armed juntas at the voting booths.

I won't give you my spin, just read his congressional record and judge for yourself. Here's a good summary I found:

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron...

Submitted by NotCranky on December 22, 2007 - 7:44pm.

Your comments are interesting Nostradamus. I watched a few rounds of the debates from both parties they seemed to consist or nothing but terror mongering and pandering to greed and financial insecurity.

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 8:20pm.

I looked at the blog most recently posted. I would agree on denying citizenship to individuals whose parents give birth without being citizens. This is one big reason why we have so many illegal alians crashing our borders. This may not be politically correct, but why should I have to learn Spanish? If a family comes over this country, they should learn English.

Ok, other than that, what I saw on that blog made me sick.

I will not be voting for Ron Paul.

Submitted by larrylujack on December 22, 2007 - 8:40pm.

I'd be happy to vote for Ron Paul because he is one of the only that unequivocally says that he would withdraw all US troops from Iraq now and would restore the gutted and trampled US constitution.
I think many others feel likewise given his amazing ability to raise internet money while the mainstream media, predictably, dismisses him as a fringe candidate.

None of the republican candidates dare end Bush's neocon endless war, with McCain wanting an escalation (yeah, real maverick John) and the leading dems are predictably spineless and no different. On balance, if I have to choose between supporting a candidate that would bring troops home from Iraq now and restore the rule of law in the US, vs. leaving it up to the states to decide abortion, its a no brainer since I live in Calif.
Go Ron, at least he challenges the lameass status quo.

LL

Submitted by marion on December 22, 2007 - 10:14pm.

Larry, Bill Clinton is far from spineless. If Hillary wins the nomination and the election, they will be running the country together.

I heard some good things about Ron Paul, but he does seem kind of funny/hypocritical when you consider the things he tried to have passed into law. One thing, I'm not voting for any one who thinks guns should be readily available to anybody who wants them. Also, from the blog that was posted, he doesn't want a woman to have access to birth control. C'mon, I can understand his views on abortion, but not barring people from having birth control. That's a control freak if there ever was one! I haven't looked that far into, so if I'm wrong on any counts, feel free to inform me.

Submitted by Eugene on December 22, 2007 - 10:24pm.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/11/ron-pauls-record-in-congress.html

You know, by and large, I can't even say I'm surprised. I didn't expect his pro-life attitude, and I didn't expect him to actually try to push his most outrageous ideas through the Congress. Much of that is run-of-the-mill libertarianism (I'll even say run-of-the-mill classic Republican program a la '64 Barry Goldwater). If you want small libertarian government and free trade with China, you have to repeal minimum wages, and environmental regulations, and antitrust laws, otherwise American companies will be at competitive disadvantage. You shouldn't spend money on UN and UNESCO. You shouldn't spend money demolishing missile silos that you could otherwise sell. And so on.

Submitted by Arty on December 23, 2007 - 10:47am.

You advocate the shredding of innocent lives, and then thrown into the trash can so that the mother can have her freedom to party, and you're saying Ron Paul is worse than a Nazi? LOL

I am not advocating abortion. I am just using an extreme example on what he is saying does not make any sense. If you say government shouldn't get involved our lives, then it should get out completely. Yet Ron Paul is pick and choice what he wants i.e. his believes. Do you know what does this mean? This is where fascism came from. Another example, Ron Paul keep saying he is against earmarks of federal budget. Yet his district receive most of the earmark money in Texas. He is very funny by saying that he didn't vote for them but he also doesn't deny that he pull them in the bills (actually he said he did pull them in the bills, and it's okay for his district). If Ron Paul ever became our President, he will not protect our constitution. He will twist and manipulate our constitution to serve his needs and believes.

Submitted by Sandi Egan on December 23, 2007 - 11:41am.

Arty,

1. Ron Paul has never advocated federal government involvement in the abortion issue. He is pro-life personally, but he thinks that the states should decide on that issue. Where is the controversy?

2. Ron Paul is against bloated federal spending. He wants to cut it everywhere. The reason he is against the spending is because he does not want people to pay taxes. But if his constituents have already paid their taxes, it is his job as their congressman to make that money work for their benefit as much as possible. That's how I understand it.

Submitted by Navydoc on December 23, 2007 - 11:52am.

I wish people would stop making abortion a political issue. It's not, and never should be political.

Folks on this board know I'm an OB/GYN, and I would wager to say, lurkers aside, that I'm probably the only person here that has actually performed the said procedure. I'll say as an editorial that if you do this after 9 weeks gestation you are living in a state of denial that you are not destroying a human life, as it is clearly recognizable as a baby. I stopped doing elective abortions after being scarred emotionally from the 2nd trimester cases after a while. (I'll also add that elective terminations are also illegal in goverment hospitals, so I don't need to make the decision now)

With that said, you might think I was pro-life, but I'm not. This procedure, while, I personnally think it is abominable, MUST remain legal and safe. The public health consequences of restricting it are just too terrible. You only need to bury one 15 year old who has had an unsafe procedure and a resulting sepsis to convince you of that fact.

Ron Paul is a fellow OB/GYN, and I suspect his current view on the subject is quite similar to my own.

Submitted by NotCranky on December 23, 2007 - 12:06pm.

Fantastic navydoc. I read it aloud to my wife. She also applauds your handling of the topic. My mother died of a blood infection from a spontaneous abortion(not self inflicted), which might have been handled safely in a hospital if minds were more open.We can not tolerate politicans making a vote pandering issue out of this.

Submitted by nostradamus on December 23, 2007 - 12:10pm.

It is not true that RP wants to restore the constitution. Where does this belief come from? He wants to ammend it in all kinds of ways, as you can see from his congressional record.

It's still too early for me to decide, but if I were to vote today I would lean towards Giuliani because he:

* Is pro-choice

* Favors school vouchers, so you can send your kids to your chosen school (I don't have kids but if I did I wouldn't want politicians to decide where I school them).

* Says we should do nothing about gay marriage. Seriously, why the f*** are we even debating this stupid issue? Another piece of fodder to distract the public from real issues. Other candidates (including RP) favor a constitutional amendment to ban it. Why waste taxpayer dollars? It's like why not amend to ban, say, sex with crickets or riding horses naked after midnight? It's nonsensical..

* Is not sure if global warming is caused by humans but agrees that to be safe, we should look into energy alternatives including the expansion of nuclear energy. This should have been done LONG ago.

* Says states should decide their own gun laws.

* Wants a $7500 tax deduction so we can get our own health care.

* Wants to expand/increase HSA (health savings account) coverage.

* Wants a border fence with high-tech monitoring and tamper-proof immigrant ID cards.

* Wants to cut corporate tax to 25%

* WANTS TO ELIMINATE ESTATE TAX

* Wants to cut spending on civilian agencies (I.e. contractors) to 5% of the budget

* Wants to cut federal employees by 50% (i.e. 50% less bureaucracy)

Submitted by ocrenter on December 23, 2007 - 1:38pm.

vote for Ron Paul to send the mainstream politicians and the Republican party a strong message.

but no, would not want him to be President.

Submitted by aldante on December 23, 2007 - 2:42pm.

I must say that I have been overcome with Ron Paul fever over the last month or so. I see him as a true distinctive figure in american politics - not just presedenial politics. I would have to agree that his site is light on detail but almost every candiates is. I am reluctant to throw my support behind a long shot but and it is a big big but..... the more I learn about him and the other candidates the more I support him.

Submitted by masayako on December 23, 2007 - 5:26pm.

I vote for Dr. Paul because he believes what I believe:
- Paul wants to limit federal government power
- Paul respect our liberty, privacy right
- Paul vote against sending troops to Iraq
- Paul understand the Constitutions better than most people in Congress and the White house
- Paul is not politician... I truly believe he is running to make this country stronger & better but not for his personal desires/wealth
- Paul vote against any unbalanced government budget
- Paul want to return power to the people, less government bureaucracy
- Paul want to send the troops home and end the unjust war

You know what?! More importantly, for the first time in my life, I actually believe a presidential candidate is telling the truth.

Now, why would you want to vote someone else for President?

John McCain, U.S. Senator:

“You’re working for the most honest man (Ron Paul) in Congress.”
As told to Kent Snyder, Phoenix, AZ, 1988.

http://www.academicsforpaul.org/

Submitted by no_such_reality on December 23, 2007 - 6:08pm.

I refuse to be led by fear. The majority of the candidates are all fear pandering. Creating fear is not leadership, it's demogoguery. So far, I don't see RP fear mongering, I see him telling people what he wants to do. The rest, all just seem to be telling us what and who to be afraid of.

Submitted by larrylujack on December 23, 2007 - 8:48pm.

NSR,
absolutely ditto on that.

the rest of the republican party has become the party of fear to justify the continued Iraq war expense. there is no other way of selling it. the demos, pathetically, go along lest they be perceived as weak on defense.

Now that's leadership? Hillary and the rest of the vacillating equivocating Dems can go to H...LL!

Submitted by Ricechex on December 24, 2007 - 12:54am.

Nostradamus....please read:
It's still too early for me to decide, but if I were to vote today I would lean towards Giuliani because he:

* Is pro-choice:
That's fine.

* Favors school vouchers, so you can send your kids to your chosen school (I don't have kids but if I did I wouldn't want politicians to decide where I school them).

BAD. School vouchers create more privatization of taxpayers dollars. No different than outsourcing. We pay taxes, and then each individual can choose (using vouchers) the school. Problematic, many of these schools will operate outside of standards required by Public Schools. This means they can preach any kind of thing, and the teachers they employ, may be less qualified. As I have observed with federal contractors/outsourcing in the human services field, the workers are either entry level, OR worse, quite incompetent. The owners of the contract, keep the bucks, pay the workers poorly and poor benes. They have gold lining their pockets, and this makes school's a FOR PROFIT institution. Thus, conflict is created.

I can tell you of a very big government contractor, who keeps getting more money. He runs ads wanting someone VERY overqualified for a position, but pay is SO LOW, that no one takes the job. So, the positions stay vacant, he keeps money (since he is not paying for the position) and the service recipients suffer. Our sailors in this case.

* Says we should do nothing about gay marriage. Seriously, why the f*** are we even debating this stupid issue? Another piece of fodder to distract the public from real issues. Other candidates (including RP) favor a constitutional amendment to ban it. Why waste taxpayer dollars? It's like why not amend to ban, say, sex with crickets or riding horses naked after midnight? It's nonsensical..

Agreed. This is not an issue.

* Is not sure if global warming is caused by humans but agrees that to be safe, we should look into energy alternatives including the expansion of nuclear energy. This should have been done LONG ago.

Agreed.

* Says states should decide their own gun laws.
That seems okay.

* Wants a $7500 tax deduction so we can get our own health care.

Something tells me this smells like a rat (Marion can you help?). I suspect health care coverage will go up, so $7500 won't mean much.

* Wants to expand/increase HSA (health savings account) coverage.

* Wants a border fence with high-tech monitoring and tamper-proof immigrant ID cards.

I could be okay with this.

* Wants to cut corporate tax to 25%
BRAVO. But will it REALLY happen?

* WANTS TO ELIMINATE ESTATE TAX
Same as above.

* Wants to cut spending on civilian agencies (I.e. contractors) to 5% of the budget

* Wants to cut federal employees by 50% (i.e. 50% less bureaucracy)

Make no mistake, he can say he is cutting them, but the money will go to contractors. I have seen it tenfold.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on December 24, 2007 - 11:11am.

marion: Did you really say that Bill Clinton is far from spineless? Sweet Mother of God, you can't be serious!

Look at the man's record when it comes handling foreign policy issues and military interventions, and then get back to me.

Yes, Bill Clinton was spineless. From his draft dodging days in graduate school, to his panicked retreat from Somalia (1993), to his complete mishandling of North Korea (1994) and, finally, with the fiasco that is the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998.

The thought of he and Hillary "leading" this nation is enough to make me think of moving to Canada.

Please get your facts straight before foisting those kind of witless bon mots on us. Thanks.

Submitted by Arraya on December 24, 2007 - 12:03pm.

"I'm happy with my finances and won't vote with my wallet in mind and won't be scared into thinking that other candidates are going to steal my money, take away my rights, or intrude on my life any more than I am ready to accept in my responsibility as a U.S. citizen. Using fear to sway a vote is a step backwards, they do this in Africa with armed juntas at the voting booths."

This is ludicrous to say when you support Mr. 9/11(Guliani).

Our rights have all ready been taken away.

See: Patriot act I&II
John Warner Defense act of 2006
Bush Spy bill

God forbid we have another terrorist attack, the sheeple will flock to Mr. 9/11 in some strange pavlovian response.

Sadley he does not have a problem doing business with the bad guys.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0748,ba...

Submitted by marion on December 24, 2007 - 12:30pm.

Allan, well, yes, there's that thing he does.

I wouldn't say it's so much being spineless, but rather doing what's ultimately in his best interests. He's no different from any other president in that respect. I was happy with him as president. I definitely don't think he's spineless.

Submitted by masayako on December 24, 2007 - 1:51pm.

Top 10 reasons NOT to vote for Ron Paul:

1. You associate with the Bush family
2. You own one of the big oil companies
3. You own one of the military defense contracting companies
4. You own one of the blood sucking health care companies
5. You own one of the sub-prime mortgage companies and you focus on helping the flippers to get non-income stated loans.
6. You somehow are benefiting from unjustified government spendings.
7. You think the Constitutions of the USA is outdated and no one should pay attention to it anymore.
8. You believe the "U.S.A, Inc." owns by big corporations, not by the people
9. You no longer care about your freedom of speech and privacy right.
10. You love to pay such high income tax to fund the war and all the bureaucracyin D.C.

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