TOILET Police coming soon ??

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Submitted by HLS on November 4, 2016 - 9:34am

If you thought you had enough crap to deal with....

Time is running out for your water guzzling toilet. As of January 1st 2017 Low-Flow Toilets Become Law. Homes built before 1994 must have Low Flow Toilets and Shower heads.

This used to be a point of sale requirement but beginning January 1st, 2017 it will be required whether you plan to sell your home or not. (California Code §1101.1 through §1101.9)

The code calls for water-conserving plumbing fixtures to be installed when the existing fixtures use more than 1.6 gallons of water per flush (toilet) , shower heads that have a flow capacity of more than 2.5 gallons of water per minute and any faucet inside the home that emits over 2.2 gallons per minute.

Under new standards you will no longer be able to buy a 1.6 gallon toilet in California. Toilets sold here can’t use more than 1.28 gallons per flush. ** Retailers won’t be allowed to sell off existing inventory of less efficient models after January 1st.

Starting Jan. 1, 2017 if you do any kind of home improvement that requires an inspector to come to your house they won’t give final approval unless you have low-flow plumbing fixtures throughout your home.

it is doubtful that the State believes there will be 100% compliance.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces...

Submitted by spdrun on November 4, 2016 - 9:53am.

Do they mean 2.56 gallons per flush, since you need to flush twice for them to work?

Solution: get the cheapest low-flush terlit possible, then replace it with the real thing afterwards :) Maybe there could be money in a toilet rental service. $100 flat fee for delivery, temp installation, and replacement of low-flush bogs.

BTW, what's up with the 1.28 number? Was some legislator a coder in a past life?

Edit: it looks like the inspection requirement is already in effect since 2014.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 4, 2016 - 12:05pm.

I don't like low flow showers because i like the tropical rain experience.

But the new low flow toilets works very well. The $100 glacier bay at Home Depot work well.

Faucet already have built in restrictors

I hate many of the building code stuff but, all in all, resource conservation is a good thing.

My building is slowly replacing neon lights in the garage with LED and I love it. They will do the hallways later.

Submitted by spdrun on November 4, 2016 - 12:30pm.

Problem is that if it takes more flushes, or it takes longer to wash the shampoo from your hair, it doesn't save anything.

Submitted by an on November 4, 2016 - 12:32pm.

LoL, pro choice huh?

Submitted by spdrun on November 4, 2016 - 12:40pm.

Personally, I'm for the right to guzzle. Get rid of CAFE rules, water saver rules, etc. But also tax the living heck out of limited resources so there are other economic incentives to conserve.

This is the minimally bureaucratic and intrusive way to enforce conservation.

Submitted by an on November 4, 2016 - 12:43pm.

spdrun wrote:
Personally, I'm for the right to guzzle. Get rid of CAFE rules, water saver rules, etc. But also tax the living heck out of limited resources so there are other economic incentives to conserve.

This is the minimally bureaucratic and intrusive way to enforce conservation.

Limited supply? There's the Pacific Ocean right next to us. I'm sure if we build 10 desalenation plants and recycle our water, there would be plenty of water for everyone. We can also do what Hong Kong does and use salt water to flush our toilets. We can also use salt water to take showers. After, that's what we do when we add water softener to our house. There are plenty of solutions to this problem.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 4, 2016 - 12:45pm.

spdrun wrote:
Problem is that if it takes more flushes, or it takes longer to wash the shampoo from your hair, it doesn't save anything.

It does not take more flushes. The new toilets are very good. Plus they sit higher and are more comfortable. I composed many Piggington post sitting on one.

I agree in shower part.

Old toilets are 5 gallon BTW

Submitted by spdrun on November 4, 2016 - 12:48pm.

AN:

OK, but right now, the plants don't exist. Also, the plants take energy to run. Unless it's coming from clean sources (renewable/nuclear/hydro), the water coming from them is environmentally expensive. Note that California is too 'fraidy-cat to build more, modern nuclear power plants.

Funny you should mention salt water showers -- quite a few old hotels at the Jersey Shore had salt water taps in their tubs, since bathing in sea water was considered healthy.

But practically, not everyone wants salt drying on their skin, and I suspect that seawater would also be hell on valves and copper pipes.

Submitted by gzz on November 4, 2016 - 12:51pm.

I think hotels get around this by having two shower heads.

Submitted by spdrun on November 4, 2016 - 12:56pm.

I've never stayed in a hotel that had that (last two I stayed in had a bathroom in the hallway). Maybe I'm not staying in the right places :)

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 4, 2016 - 1:01pm.

gzz wrote:
I think hotels get around this by having two shower heads.

Very easy to get around. I have a very nice tropical rain shower head hanging from my ceiling. But I do think we should save water at the toilet and the sinks where the experience is the same low flow or high.

The rules are made for the average wasteful person. I don't waste because I can. Only if my experience is noticeably improved.

Submitted by harvey on November 4, 2016 - 1:27pm.

spdrun wrote:
Do they mean 2.56 gallons per flush, since you need to flush twice for them to work?

If you really want to do the math, you're going to have to count how many times you go #1 vs #2.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 4, 2016 - 4:11pm.

no one should ever pee in a toilet.

pee in a bucket, dilute with water, high grade fertilizer.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 4, 2016 - 4:12pm.

also... re flushing pee..

if its yellow its mellow.

if its brown flush it down

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 4, 2016 - 5:13pm.

Actually the old 5 gallon toilets are ugly. The early low flow toilets from the 90s don't work well. I think low flow technology got perfected around 2010.

Even if your toilet looks similar to the new toilets, they are not the same.

One major water waste is malfunctioning flap. And idiot residents never check. New toilets have better flap mechanism. In HOAs, water bill is a major expense. Owners should be encouraged to replace toilets for the benefit of everyone. That and dropping faucets.

Submitted by moneymaker on November 4, 2016 - 7:12pm.

Someone needs to tell McDonalds and other commercial businesses because I'm pretty sure they don't do the low flush thing.

Submitted by spdrun on November 4, 2016 - 8:22pm.

They usually have a flushometer tankless system. You can buy the metering valves in 1.6 and 1.28 gal versions.

Submitted by harvey on November 4, 2016 - 9:16pm.

moneymaker wrote:
Someone needs to tell McDonalds and other commercial businesses because I'm pretty sure they don't do the low flush thing.

Commercial rules are different from residential.

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