tiny houses.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 24, 2009 - 10:58pm

Submitted by SD Transplant on November 25, 2009 - 8:18am.

kinda of cool, but if you got that route just get a motorhome :)

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 25, 2009 - 8:38am.

these are on wheels. avoid permitting procedures.

Submitted by jpinpb on November 25, 2009 - 9:01am.

I really LOVE this one. B53. But this one is not on wheels. It's the biggest one, but for me it's perfect. Makes me want to build one.

Submitted by NotCranky on November 25, 2009 - 9:38am.

scaredycat wrote:
these are on wheels. avoid permitting procedures.

I don't believe you can live in it in San Diego County, or avoid permits if you are going to live in it, just because it is on wheels. It will have to have go through plan check and have approved foundation system to be legit as a primary dwelling. Also there is a minimum size of the overall unit,individual rooms and many other items.
In most jurisdictions these tiny ones can be used as storage sheds w/o permits if they are under 120sqft and don't have electricity to them, or as sheds with permits if they are bigger but don't meet standards for a dwelling. JP's cute house could be permitted for a residence.

Even a registered fully "self contained" motor home can only be used as a dwelling on a particular residential parcel ,not zoned specifically for trailers, for 30 days per year.This is basically for guest use.

With a Temporary Occupancy permit you can live in some not normally permitted type structures until you finish building.A construction permit has to be pulled. Usually people choose a travel trailer.

This stuff may vary a little by building jurisdiction but probably going to find it in most places in San Diego and the State.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 25, 2009 - 9:45am.

ahh. i see. the rules should be changed to allow for tiny houses.

Submitted by NotCranky on November 25, 2009 - 10:00am.

scaredycat wrote:
ahh. i see. the rules should be changed to allow for tiny houses.

Absolutely, the rules should be changed to allow for a lot of things, including small houses.Don't get me started!

Submitted by UCGal on November 25, 2009 - 10:55am.

I like the small house movement.

But then again - we just went through building a 696 sf, 1br, detached companion unit. It's got PLENTY of space for 2 people (my in-laws) and takes into consideration my father-in-law's wheelchair. (Can't have narrow doors or small bathroom if you're accomodating a wheelchair.

We regularly have dinners with 6 people (my in laws, my kids, hubby and I.) Lots of room, don't feel cramped. The bedroom is big enough to accomodate a motorized bed (and room around it) as well as all the other typical furniture (dressers, chair, etc.)

I can't address the issue of whether wheels gets you out of the permit process... But I can see where these houses COULD be built to code and permited.

Like I said - we built a small (by most people's standards) 1 br house that is MORE than spacious enough. If it didn't have to accomodate the wheelchair we could have easily stripped out a lot more space and still been livable and not cramped. We could have stripped a lot of space from the bedroom and bathroom if we didn't need to accomodate the wheelchair.

Submitted by sdduuuude on November 25, 2009 - 1:20pm.

That's pretty interesting. Seems like it would help with the high cost of housing for younger people. I'm a fan of small house/big lot, especially in San Diego where the weather allows more time outdoors.

If the economy flounders for many years, these could become popular.

Can you imagine what this would do to the median house price in San Diego ?

They had some houses in there that were designed to meet the international building code.

Submitted by NotCranky on November 25, 2009 - 3:54pm.

UCGal, Here is the same man as in the original link writing about the legality issues of the tiny ones. I am not saying you can't build something with approved plans in the area of 450-500sqft and bigger. Things could change, but right now it is going to be very hard or impossible to do one of the tiny ones as a stand alone, permanent dwelling with permits and is too risky to do without IMO.

http://thistinyhouse.com/2009/5-ways-to-...

Submitted by NotCranky on November 25, 2009 - 4:08pm.

Here you go scaredycat.
This might be what you are looking for.Don't smoke near your batteries like Skeeter does, Beer is O.K.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRpMAt7Rb...

Submitted by LesBaer45 on November 25, 2009 - 8:31pm.

Katrina Cottages from Lowe's.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=pg...

FAQ:
http://www.lowes.com/lowes2/2006_landing...

Everything your 'contractor' needs to build it (excluding the usual foundation, water, sewer, landscaping, blah, blah) in one nice bundle. Upgrades available if you feel the need.

I've seen a few built as demos. Surprisingly nice, I'm seriously considering KC1112 or KC1185 if we buy a small piece of land up in the hills we are looking at. Maybe not right away but after 2011.

Submitted by CA renter on November 26, 2009 - 2:58am.

LesBaer45 wrote:
Katrina Cottages from Lowe's.

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=pg...

FAQ:
http://www.lowes.com/lowes2/2006_landing...

Everything your 'contractor' needs to build it (excluding the usual foundation, water, sewer, landscaping, blah, blah) in one nice bundle. Upgrades available if you feel the need.

I've seen a few built as demos. Surprisingly nice, I'm seriously considering KC1112 or KC1185 if we buy a small piece of land up in the hills we are looking at. Maybe not right away but after 2011.

That KC1185 is downright tempting! Great room dimensions, too.

Submitted by UCGal on November 26, 2009 - 10:24am.

I'm pretty impressed by KC 576. It appears to be easily modified to make it handicap accessible. It would have worked on our building site - but is oriented wrong for the views. (We have nice views that are something my in-laws enjoy). And there's no space for stacked laundry or other "niceties" that make a home more livable.

I notice most of these take advantage of an open living space (living/kitchen flow together) - that makes a HUGE difference in a small house.

Submitted by svelte on November 26, 2009 - 11:01am.

Little Dink Houses for you and me......Ooooooo ya!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 26, 2009 - 11:40am.

one would think twice about buying ANYTHING if you lived in a house like these.

Submitted by LesBaer45 on November 26, 2009 - 9:33pm.

UCGal wrote:
I'm pretty impressed by KC 576. It appears to be easily modified to make it handicap accessible. It would have worked on our building site - but is oriented wrong for the views. (We have nice views that are something my in-laws enjoy). And there's no space for stacked laundry or other "niceties" that make a home more livable.

I notice most of these take advantage of an open living space (living/kitchen flow together) - that makes a HUGE difference in a small house.

Look again at the space between the folding doors for the closets in the bedroom. I'd swear that swinging door hides a small area that has the stacked W/D.

Submitted by UCGal on November 27, 2009 - 8:12am.

LesBaer45 wrote:

Look again at the space between the folding doors for the closets in the bedroom. I'd swear that swinging door hides a small area that has the stacked W/D.

Good call, Les

Submitted by paramount on November 27, 2009 - 1:56pm.

They're cute, but for all practical purposes you would be better off with a regular RV if you wanted to remain mobile.

Submitted by phaster on July 7, 2016 - 6:29pm.

paramount wrote:
They're cute, but for all practical purposes you would be better off with a regular RV if you wanted to remain mobile.

FWIW think a well designed and personally built tiny house is a better deal...

a few weeks ago went to a tiny house weekend work shop to see for my self what was going on...

according to the presenter basically 99% of the tiny homes were used as (in place) tiny homes!

one thing to consider about any tiny house design (for mobile use) is the standard RV parks is the utility hookup are on the "drivers" side and if you had to stop on the side of the road to get into the structure would involve being exposed to "traffic" because the entry door is on the "drivers" side...

for example, if I were to build a "tiny house" design that would make burning man a bit more comfortable

https://padtinyhouses.com/books-plans/hi...

NOTE the one thing I would change is the layout to standardize the utility hook-ups on the driver side and the "entry" door on the passenger side

BECAUSE Quote

551.77 Recreational Vehicle Site Supply Equipment.

(A) Location. Where provided on back-in sites, the recreational
vehicle site electrical supply equipment shall be located
on the left (road) side of the parked vehicle, on a line
that is 1.5 m to 2.1 m (5 ft to 7 ft) from the left edge
(driver’s side of the parked RV) of the stand and shall be
located at any point on this line from the rear of the stand to
4.5 m (15 ft) forward of the rear of the stand.

For pull-through sites, the electrical supply equipment
shall be permitted to be located at any point along the line that
is 1.5 m to 2.1 m (5 ft to 7 ft) from the left edge (driver’s side
of the parked RV) from 4.9 m (16 ft) forward of the rear of the
stand to the center point between the two roads that gives
access to and egress from the pull-through sites.
The left edge (driver’s side of the parked RV) of the
stand shall be marked.

551.46 Means for Connecting to Power Supply.

(B) Cord. The cord exposed usable length shall be measured
from the point of entrance to the recreational vehicle or the
face of the flanged surface inlet (motor-base attachment plug)
to the face of the attachment plug at the supply end.

The cord exposed usable length, measured to the point of
entry on the vehicle exterior, shall be a minimum of 7.5 m
(25 ft) where the point of entrance is at the side of the vehicle
or shall be a minimum 9.0 m (30 ft) where the point of entrance
is at the rear of the vehicle.

Where the cord entrance into the vehicle is more than
900 mm (3 ft) above the ground, the minimum cord lengths
above shall be increased by the vertical distance of the cord
entrance heights above 900 mm (3 ft).

also thought I'd mention there are some pretty "artful" turnkey tiny home which would be more in line w/ the burning man aesthetic

http://www.zylvardos.com

but its an all wood "work of art" that might not survive a road trip to the playa (looking as well as well as it did pre-playa)

also thought I'd mention that I asked about insurance/taxes, basically the presenter said he didn't worry about insuring his tiny house so basically if it burns down he will eat the cost... wrt "taxes" the value added above the cost of the trailer (i.e. the tiny house structure) isn't taxed (in this specific case)

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 7, 2016 - 9:19pm.

Blogstar wrote:
scaredycat wrote:
ahh. i see. the rules should be changed to allow for tiny houses.

Absolutely, the rules should be changed to allow for a lot of things, including small houses.Don't get me started!

Yeah. The rules should be changed.

Over the years I watched YouTube videos with jay shafer the founder of tumbleweed. His family lives in 2 small houses on 1 lot.

I don't like the traditional design with lots of wood. There is a tiny house movement in Northern Europe. Their modern designs are so much nicer.

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