Tiger Woods

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Submitted by moneymaker on December 4, 2009 - 3:57pm

I'm not shocked at his wife for wanting to renegotiate the prenup. What does kinda make me go huh is $2 million if she stays married for 2 more years, $55 million for what 7 or 9 years. Does this strike anyone else as disguised prostitution? Perhaps a tigers stripes can't change. I like the guy and will give him that he is human like the rest of us. Gee whiz makes me wonder though.

Submitted by sdrealtor on December 4, 2009 - 4:01pm.

The minute he offered her money they were done. They are doomed! If she was smart she would be on the 1st plane to Stockholm.

Submitted by davelj on December 4, 2009 - 4:22pm.

threadkiller wrote:
Does this strike anyone else as disguised prostitution?

One, it doesn't look at all disguised to me.

Two, many marriages - if really put under a microscope - would look essentially similar. (Note, before certain folks get their panties in a bunch, I did NOT use the words "all," "most" or any other word suggesting a majority.)

Submitted by werewolf34 on December 4, 2009 - 4:26pm.

Check out La Jolla if you want to see some professional wives.

Submitted by davelj on December 4, 2009 - 4:47pm.

This whole ordeal certainly casts a pall on Vegas' slogan that "What Happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas."

It appears that where Tiger Woods is concerned, what happens in Vegas only stays in Vegas if you're willing to shell out $1 million a pop.

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 4, 2009 - 4:49pm.

werewolf34 wrote:
Check out La Jolla if you want to see some professional wives.

Add late morning / early afternoon at Fashion Valley - "Sweet Mary, Mother of God!"

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 4, 2009 - 5:17pm.

[quote=threadkiller] Does this strike anyone else as disguised prostitution? quote]

Take a hard look at Tiger. Take away the money, the fame, The pro athlete aura and your left with Eldrick Tont Woods, plumber.

Take a look at his wife, model, stone cold fox, could attract and conquer most any man.

You do the math. It always was the money. They might have been breifly blinded by love, family, children and now more than ever the molded public perception .......but it was always about the money.

Submitted by davelj on December 4, 2009 - 5:53pm.

Bristol Chicken wrote:
...but it was always about the money.

Even if that's the case (and I'm not saying it is), I see nothing wrong with it. It's just consistent with the evolutionary imperative: survival.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on December 4, 2009 - 6:05pm.

davelj wrote:
Bristol Chicken wrote:
...but it was always about the money.

Even if that's the case (and I'm not saying it is), I see nothing wrong with it. It's just consistent with the evolutionary imperative: survival.

On that topic:

One of my primary criteria in a mate:
Nutritional value

I suspect that a salted, dried wife could support me for a few months of nuclear winter.

A pickled mistress might get me through a light harvest.

A well-built gimp (spiced and cured) might take me through a comet-based extinction level event.

I really need to start a thread on cannibalism in general and Alferd Packer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer) in particular.

Submitted by KSMountain on December 4, 2009 - 6:35pm.

Bristol Chicken wrote:

.......but it was always about the money.

Wow how insightful you claim to be. How can you know that?

Submitted by PCinSD on December 4, 2009 - 6:57pm.

Bristol Chicken wrote:

Take a hard look at Tiger. Take away the money, the fame, The pro athlete aura and your left with Eldrick Tont Woods, plumber.

Not exactly. And, you did "take away" the things he worked very hard to accomplish. He would still be a very talented golfer, with a degree from Stanford, who gives generously to charities.

And, I noticed you didn't take away his wife's only claim to fame to make it even: her looks. If she was an unattractive woman, where do you think she would be right now?

By the way, you may be right about the money issue. It certainly shouldn't be a surprise if that was true.

In any event, it appears that Tiger is your typical high profile athlete with no moral compass. But, like the banks, he has become "too big to fail". Despite the standard morality clauses in his various endorsement contracts, he will remain untouched. It would be borderline negligence for a corporation to cancel his contract considering how much money his name brings in.

Submitted by davelj on December 4, 2009 - 7:19pm.

pabloesqobar wrote:

In any event, it appears that Tiger is your typical high profile athlete with no moral compass.

Which begs the questions:

Does he lack a moral compass because he got married, had children, and then lied to his wife about mating with other women?

or

Does he lack a moral compass because he lied to HIMSELF about wanting to mate with other women, and then put himself in the position of being married with children, where such extracurricular mating would be frowned upon?

My point is that having sex with a bunch of different women isn't wrong, in and of itself. Or a sign of a wayward moral compass. At least in my opinion. It's when you lie to yourself and others (with the impact on both) regarding your desire to do so that it becomes a problem.

As Chris Rock has pointed out: "A man is only as faithful as his opportunities." It's when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on December 4, 2009 - 7:38pm.

davelj wrote:
pabloesqobar wrote:

In any event, it appears that Tiger is your typical high profile athlete with no moral compass.

Which begs the questions:

Does he lack a moral compass because he got married, had children, and then lied to his wife about mating with other women?

or

Does he lack a moral compass because he lied to HIMSELF about wanting to mate with other women, and then put himself in the position of being married with children, where such extracurricular mating would be frowned upon?

My point is that having sex with a bunch of different women isn't wrong, in and of itself. Or a sign of a wayward moral compass. At least in my opinion. It's when you lie to yourself and others (with the impact on both) regarding your desire to do so that it becomes a problem.

As Chris Rock has pointed out: "A man is only as faithful as his opportunities." It's when a man tries to deny this fundamental truth that he gets himself into trouble.

Dave: I actually don't think morals or lack of same has anything to do with it.

Regardless of sport, the behavior remains the same: Some superannuated teenager who has spent his entire adult life and most of his youth being told how special he is and that the rules don't apply to him, goes out and behaves in exactly the same way he always has, except this time he gets caught.

Impassioned denials from his coterie/entourage/family/handlers/corporate minders, followed by the usual spin and add in the requisite amount of time to let things die down and then back to business as usual.

The idea that Tiger is any different than any of these other spoiled brats is laughable. Witness Michael Jordan's recent speech, where he openly berates, mocks and derides those whom he perceived as wronging him, regardless of how slight. None of these people live in the real world and probably haven't since junior high.

Submitted by NotCranky on December 4, 2009 - 8:04pm.

Dave and Chris Rock are the authorities on faithfulness in marriage...now that is funny.

Submitted by svelte on December 4, 2009 - 9:06pm.

Bristol Chicken wrote:

Take a hard look at Tiger. Take away the money, the fame, The pro athlete aura and your left with Eldrick Tont Woods, plumber.

Take a look at his wife, model, stone cold fox, could attract and conquer most any man.

You do the math. It always was the money. They might have been breifly blinded by love, family, children and now more than ever the molded public perception .......but it was always about the money.

Maybe, but not necessarily.

My wife is a knockout...I kinda look like Mr. Clean.

When she started dating me in our younger days and we became "exclusive", I was unemployed and living at home with not much ambition or prospects or even a thousand dollars to my name. I have no idea why she didn't run away screaming.

But here we are. Granted I've come a long way, but she had no way of knowing that back then...

Tiger is better looking than I am, I assure you.

My point: you never know.

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 4, 2009 - 10:26pm.

svelte wrote:
Bristol Chicken wrote:

Take a hard look at Tiger. Take away the money, the fame, The pro athlete aura and your left with Eldrick Tont Woods, plumber.

Take a look at his wife, model, stone cold fox, could attract and conquer most any man.

You do the math. It always was the money. They might have been breifly blinded by love, family, children and now more than ever the molded public perception .......but it was always about the money.

Maybe, but not necessarily.

My wife is a knockout...I kinda look like Mr. Clean.

When she started dating me in our younger days and we became "exclusive", I was unemployed and living at home with not much ambition or prospects or even a thousand dollars to my name. I have no idea why she didn't run away screaming.

But here we are. Granted I've come a long way, but she had no way of knowing that back then...

Tiger is better looking than I am, I assure you.

My point: you never know.

I bet it's the way you dust the furniture and keep the toilet shining as to why you 2 have lasted so long Mr. Clean.

Exceptions to every rule and congratulations on making it work long term for the both of you.

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 4, 2009 - 10:31pm.

KSMountain wrote:
Bristol Chicken wrote:

.......but it was always about the money.

Wow how insightful you claim to be. How can you know that?

Same source that told me Elvis is alive, Jon & Kate matter and Batboy will be president some day.

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 4, 2009 - 10:35pm.

pabloesqobar wrote:
Bristol Chicken wrote:

Take a hard look at Tiger. Take away the money, the fame, The pro athlete aura and your left with Eldrick Tont Woods, plumber.

Not exactly. And, you did "take away" the things he worked very hard to accomplish. He would still be a very talented golfer, with a degree from Stanford, who gives generously to charities.

And, I noticed you didn't take away his wife's only claim to fame to make it even: her looks. If she was an unattractive woman, where do you think she would be right now?

By the way, you may be right about the money issue. It certainly shouldn't be a surprise if that was true.

In any event, it appears that Tiger is your typical high profile athlete with no moral compass. But, like the banks, he has become "too big to fail". Despite the standard morality clauses in his various endorsement contracts, he will remain untouched. It would be borderline negligence for a corporation to cancel his contract considering how much money his name brings in.

I was very close to starting up the ladder theory bs again but you saved us all in the end. Thank you.

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 4, 2009 - 10:45pm.

urbanrealtor wrote:
davelj wrote:
Bristol Chicken wrote:
...but it was always about the money.

Even if that's the case (and I'm not saying it is), I see nothing wrong with it. It's just consistent with the evolutionary imperative: survival.

On that topic:

One of my primary criteria in a mate:
Nutritional value

I suspect that a salted, dried wife could support me for a few months of nuclear winter.

A pickled mistress might get me through a light harvest.

A well-built gimp (spiced and cured) might take me through a comet-based extinction level event.

I really need to start a thread on cannibalism in general and Alferd Packer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alferd_Packer) in particular.

Made me think about the ending to "A boy and his dog"

The Donner party and the Andes rugby team are much more compelling 'human jerkey' stories.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on December 4, 2009 - 11:17pm.

Perhaps.
But Trey Parker and Matt Stone didn't do a musical about them.

However, they did do one about Alferd Packer.

Everyone should NetFlix this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibal!_The_Musical

I have to credit my wife for introducing me to this.

She is pretty awesome.

Even salted and dried.

Submitted by davelj on December 5, 2009 - 12:43pm.

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Hugh Hefner is chiming in on the Tiger Woods scandal that has rocked the media this week. When asked if he was surprised by the Woods cheating allegations, Hefner replied: "I think the only surprise in it, quite frankly, is that anybody would be surprised. If you're a good-looking guy and young and healthy, the notion that there would be something else going on, well, marriage is just a convenience." Hefner adds: "It's nice for raising kids, but the notion that monogamy lasts forever is a wish, not a reality."
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Submitted by Raybyrnes on December 5, 2009 - 8:50pm.

Bristol Chicken
Complete Bullshit. Tiger woods is a complete athlete unlike most golfers. Add in the fact that Tiger woods is a Stanford Grad and I would say that makes him a pretty good catch.

His wife is definitely a complete fox and would have made a lot of money modeling. Simple trade off here . no winner no loser. Don't think she ever had to think about the money. There was plenty there should she elected to make it. Tiger knew that too.

Submitted by urbanrealtor on December 5, 2009 - 11:04pm.

Raybyrnes wrote:
Bristol Chicken
Complete Bullshit. Tiger woods is a complete athlete unlike most golfers. Add in the fact that Tiger woods is a Stanford Grad and I would say that makes him a pretty good catch.

His wife is definitely a complete fox and would have made a lot of money modeling. Simple trade off here . no winner no loser. Don't think she ever had to think about the money. There was plenty there should she elected to make it. Tiger knew that too.

Didn't Sir Robin slay the chicken of Bristol?

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 6, 2009 - 12:06am.

Raybyrnes wrote:
Bristol Chicken
Complete Bullshit. Tiger woods is a complete athlete unlike most golfers. Add in the fact that Tiger woods is a Stanford Grad and I would say that makes him a pretty good catch.

His wife is definitely a complete fox and would have made a lot of money modeling. Simple trade off here . no winner no loser. Don't think she ever had to think about the money. There was plenty there should she elected to make it. Tiger knew that too.

Ray

I agree what you say is entirely possible, not probable. My point is refrencing about the prenup / guised prostitution angle. On that note I looked at some more pictures of her on the net and holy Nordic cheesecake! I would drop a few spare million to keep her around as well. Even if no longer on speaking terms she would still complement the row of sterling from Augusta.

Submitted by Bristol Chicken on December 6, 2009 - 12:26am.

urbanrealtor wrote:
Raybyrnes wrote:
Bristol Chicken
Complete Bullshit. Tiger woods is a complete athlete unlike most golfers. Add in the fact that Tiger woods is a Stanford Grad and I would say that makes him a pretty good catch.

His wife is definitely a complete fox and would have made a lot of money modeling. Simple trade off here . no winner no loser. Don't think she ever had to think about the money. There was plenty there should she elected to make it. Tiger knew that too.

Didn't Sir Robin slay the chicken of Bristol?

No, only "nearly stood up to the vicious chicken of Bristol". Now bring out your dead!

Submitted by Casca on December 6, 2009 - 10:12am.

Bristol Chicken wrote:
...she would still complement the row of sterling from Augusta.

Touche sir!

What the fuck are you talking about? That poor woman... that poor SLUT kidnapped herself. Come on dude, you said so yourself.

Hopefully, Tiger (or is it Cheetah?) cuts his losses. The world is full of Nordic beauties.

Let him be instructed by the wisdom of BB King:

Nobody loves me, but my mother,
And she could be jivin’ too.

Submitted by NotCranky on December 6, 2009 - 5:13pm.

Raybyrnes wrote:
Bristol Chicken
Complete Bullshit. Tiger woods is a complete athlete unlike most golfers. Add in the fact that Tiger woods is a Stanford Grad and I would say that makes him a pretty good catch.

His wife is definitely a complete fox and would have made a lot of money modeling. Simple trade off here . no winner no loser. Don't think she ever had to think about the money. There was plenty there should she elected to make it. Tiger knew that too.


Money, jock, degree from good school equals good catch? Where does the part about going to prostitutes on the side fit in there with the good catch part? I think some want to revel in tigers "conquests" on some sort of macho ego trip, but face it, "Tiger the plumber" could also get female like these as often as he could afford, if he was prone to going to hookers.

Submitted by equalizer on December 7, 2009 - 1:54am.

Raybyrnes wrote:
Bristol Chicken
Complete Bullshit. Tiger woods is a complete athlete unlike most golfers. Add in the fact that Tiger woods is a Stanford Grad and I would say that makes him a pretty good catch.

Stanford dropout after 2 years.

Submitted by equalizer on December 7, 2009 - 2:11am.

Tiger’s imperfect world.
Bad times when you can't count on even the National Enquirer to not squash a story for a little in-kind money.

There are some ER surgeons who are envious of his status, with the implications they deserve it more because they save lives. "You treat gang members from gunshot wounds and they end up in prison. He inspires people, important people like Accenture crowd. There is no comparison, you guys have less value." The truth hurts, but I just wanted to be loved. How do I finesse the truth? Oh, Bill where are you, I need moral flexibility training.

http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?sl...

Submitted by davelj on December 7, 2009 - 11:59am.

Russell wrote:
Raybyrnes wrote:
Bristol Chicken
Complete Bullshit. Tiger woods is a complete athlete unlike most golfers. Add in the fact that Tiger woods is a Stanford Grad and I would say that makes him a pretty good catch.

His wife is definitely a complete fox and would have made a lot of money modeling. Simple trade off here . no winner no loser. Don't think she ever had to think about the money. There was plenty there should she elected to make it. Tiger knew that too.


Money, jock, degree from good school equals good catch? Where does the part about going to prostitutes on the side fit in there with the good catch part? I think some want to revel in tigers "conquests" on some sort of macho ego trip, but face it, "Tiger the plumber" could also get female like these as often as he could afford, if he was prone to going to hookers.

Actually, I'm betting that Tiger the Plumber could find just as hot a wife as he has now (although I only consider her to be modestly hot, as I'm not into the Nordic look - but I digress). I've seen plenty of very normal guys - even guys who don't make a ton of dough - with very hot partners. It's not that unusual. However, clearly being Tiger the Golfer made things easier in that respect.

Now, I'm going to editorialize on what I think these two SHOULD be doing in order to maximize their contentment based on their actions thus far.

Tiger should divorce Elin and pay her a huge amount of money. Now. Why? Clearly, based on what we know now he's been screwing around with LOTS of woman for many years. Clearly, he loves being the swinging bachelor. It's an important part of his life. He's only going to give it up under duress, which he's facing currently. So, now he's going to pay his wife a shitpile of money to "stay" with him while he denies himself the things he wants, just so that he can make a few million more dollars from his sponsors? Given his level of wealth, that's completely idiotic. He should pay her off, become a swinging bachelor (which is what he truly wants), and just accept losing some sponsors. He's still going to have shitpile of money and be able to do whatever the hell he wants. His wife will be happier and he can share custody of the kids and everybody lives happily ever after.

Elin should take the money and run. She's still young and attractive and will have no problem finding another dude, if that's what she wants. Clearly, she wants no part of the newly-revealed Tiger Woods, or else she wouldn't be demanding all this up-front money along with a new pre-nup. There's a word for women who stay with men in exchange for money - and I have no problem with prostitution, per se. It's a perfectly respectable profession. But does this woman really want to go down that road? Because that's exactly what she's doing. By choice. She could get a huge settlement and be done with it all and move on, but she's choosing to remain for a few dollars more. In my view, that's a bad decision. But, hey, to each his/her own.

Basically, I think they're both lying to themselves regarding what's going to make them content. And that rarely ends well.

Submitted by KSMountain on December 7, 2009 - 12:16pm.

Pretty good analysis/advice davelj. I would only add that it's probably not strictly prostitution per se for Elin - she probably does put value on an outcome that keeps the family together.

Now, if that outcome is just completely unlikely, or completely unlikely with all parties happy for the mid/long term, then yeah I guess she should cut bait.

But I guess, is there really a hurry? Does she have to blow up her family right now just to please us? Seems like she could give it a few months to see if there is *any* possibility of salvaging the thing. Which I think there may not be...

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