Terrorism

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Submitted by moneymaker on July 15, 2016 - 11:16am

OT: Seems unstoppable, they are always coming up with new ways to kill. Most of what has happened lately does not seem to be linked directly to ISIS, this is the main reason why England voted to exit the EU in my opinion, they want to control who comes into their country, can you blame them.

Submitted by spdrun on July 15, 2016 - 11:25am.

(1) England already can control non-EU citizens coming into their own country, under the EU. They can also send refugees back to their original country of landing. Leaving the EU changes very little.
(2) You're still likely to die of many other causes than a terror attack.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 15, 2016 - 11:45am.

That's not the reason for Brexit.
It's because working class whites (who after WWII became the new middle class) have been left behind by globalization. If I recall, in 1970s London was 86% white. Now it's 1/2. And the wealth is in London real estate. So Brexiters are jealous

England pretty much thrives as the financial center of Europe, bringing talent from around the globe (a minority are Brits, maybe 20%). Outside the EU it will have to turn itself into a Dubai or Singapore to attract cash. That will further disparity between the locals and financial elites, which is the unintended consequences of Brexit.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/13/opi...

Submitted by cvmom on July 15, 2016 - 12:01pm.

Seems to me that people coming in from outside the country are really not the primary issue--the issue is people who are disenfranchised, not part of the community, don't really see a future for themselves, and who want to get back at all of those who are on the other side of that divide. Those unhappy people can really come from anywhere, including internally. As long as there are people who don't have hope, this danger is going to continue.

Submitted by spdrun on July 15, 2016 - 12:47pm.

Right. With the exception of this one, most of the attackers were 2nd and 3rd generation people.

Submitted by joec on July 15, 2016 - 5:52pm.

cvmom wrote:
Seems to me that people coming in from outside the country are really not the primary issue--the issue is people who are disenfranchised, not part of the community, don't really see a future for themselves, and who want to get back at all of those who are on the other side of that divide. Those unhappy people can really come from anywhere, including internally. As long as there are people who don't have hope, this danger is going to continue.

I agree completely.

This is why IMO, this can just as easily happen in the US. In 50 years, with less jobs for "regular" people without college degrees, single males with low economic prospects as well as no family/wife (to want to provide a safe/better world), etc...are loose cannons to cause harm against society, others in general.

People in ISIS or people who commit acts of terror already don't care if they live or die as also shown by some of these recent acts. They sorta know they will be killed anyways so as mentioned before, if someone is willing to die anyways, good luck trying to stop any of these random acts.

In some places in Europe with over 50% youth unemployment, I think this will occur even sooner than us here (I think Spain and Portugal).

I suppose it's good I'd be dead in 50 so not my problem, but this is where we are heading.

Submitted by no_such_reality on July 15, 2016 - 6:58pm.

Um, actually, there's a good debate if it didn't already happen ten years ago in Santa Monica.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Moni...

Submitted by spdrun on July 15, 2016 - 8:53pm.

Something similar happened in Czechoslovakia in the 70ies. Oddly, a film about that incident was recently released, I wonder if that's where the driver got his idea:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/...

Submitted by svelte on July 16, 2016 - 9:00am.

joec wrote:
cvmom wrote:
Seems to me that people coming in from outside the country are really not the primary issue--the issue is people who are disenfranchised, not part of the community, don't really see a future for themselves, and who want to get back at all of those who are on the other side of that divide. Those unhappy people can really come from anywhere, including internally. As long as there are people who don't have hope, this danger is going to continue.

I agree completely.

This is why IMO, this can just as easily happen in the US. In 50 years, with less jobs for "regular" people without college degrees, single males with low economic prospects as well as no family/wife (to want to provide a safe/better world), etc...are loose cannons to cause harm against society, others in general.

People in ISIS or people who commit acts of terror already don't care if they live or die as also shown by some of these recent acts. They sorta know they will be killed anyways so as mentioned before, if someone is willing to die anyways, good luck trying to stop any of these random acts.

Yep. I always say folks need hope. If they see no path to a better tomorrow, then they wont care what happens to them and bad things happen.

We will never get rid of tragedies because there will always be crazy folks, but we can minimize tragedies by giving everyone an opportunity for a better tomorrow. Student loans, work programs, giving people a hand when they are down, its all a part of that fabric of hope.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 16, 2016 - 12:32pm.

Svelte is right. The future doesn't have to be bleak. Human ingenuity can resolve our problems.

The French have good ideas. but they often don't apply their ideas. For example, collecting stats by race is banned in France (like some people want to make it so in USA). If you don't have information, you can't develop policies.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 15, 2019 - 2:04pm.

With more Christian terrorists, I guess Christians are now guilty by association.

What is being done to stop the source of funding to these terrorists? We now need extreme vetting of Australians!

https://youtu.be/47jf9QEXo00

The terrorist is a normal working white Australian man who didn’t go to university. Something about that culture breeds terrorism. We must not leave any stones unturned!
https://youtu.be/36L20A0GYV8

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 15, 2019 - 2:11pm.

moneymaker wrote:
this is the main reason why England voted to exit the EU in my opinion, they want to control who comes into their country, can you blame them.

With a hard Brexit we will see a return of Irish terrorism or Irish independence movement, depending on your perspective. Do you realize that Northern Ireland is still a colony of Britain’s, with colonists holding power? The native Irish population was subjugated and their culture obliterated.

Submitted by spdrun on March 15, 2019 - 3:24pm.

Doubt that it will reignite the Troubles. The UK isn't actually part of Schengen (the EU + Swiss open-border agreement), thus there are passport controls on trains and ferries across the English Channel. The UK/Irish open-border agreement is actually an entirely separate agreement between the UK and Ireland, which will remain in effect even if Brexit happens.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 15, 2019 - 4:02pm.

We will see....
but that facts are, if there are no hard borders between Northern Ireland and Ireland, there will be hard borders between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK which will mean a lost of sovereignty for the UK. Brexiteers will not be happy.

Northern Ireland is better off reunifying with Ireland anyway/to restore the divided Irish nation. Ireland with higher per Capita GDP makes it more appealing.

Incidentally, Irish Americans funded the IRA in the past.

Submitted by flu on March 15, 2019 - 4:10pm.

stirring shit up again Brian, I see.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 15, 2019 - 4:12pm.

What shit? Current events, my dear.

Submitted by spdrun on March 15, 2019 - 4:59pm.

FlyerInHi... neither UK or Ireland are party to the EU open-border agreement. The internal Irish border is governed by an separate agreement that will survive Brexit. Both Ireland and UK will continue to have passport controls on travel to/from the EU.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 15, 2019 - 10:04pm.

spdrun wrote:
FlyerInHi... neither UK or Ireland are party to the EU open-border agreement. The internal Irish border is governed by an separate agreement that will survive Brexit. Both Ireland and UK will continue to have passport controls on travel to/from the EU.

Well, it's a little more complex. The European Single Market allows citizens to move and reside freely. Without a border in Northern Ireland, or a border separating Northern Ireland and the UK, a Romanian or Polish could enter Ireland and easily move unchecked to the UK.

Also problems with goods meeting disparate UK and EU standards. Which standards prevail?

Looks to me like the UK will be outside the EU but having to live with EU rules, unless there is a second referendum in which remainers prevail.

Submitted by spdrun on March 16, 2019 - 10:21am.

pre-2000, visas to the UK were childishly simple for Romanians or Poles to get. They'd just overstay. The same situation would probably be allowed to exist after Brexit. The UK government are realists -- they'll see the need for labor but want to appease the xenophobic fools.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 16, 2019 - 11:05am.

spdrun wrote:
pre-2000, visas to the UK were childishly simple for Romanians or Poles to get. They'd just overstay. The same situation would probably be allowed to exist after Brexit. The UK government are realists -- they'll see the need for labor but want to appease the xenophobic fools.

Of course, you’re right.
Britain is not regaining any sovereignty with Brexit. As Astrid so aptly explained in the other thread, like Trumpism, Brexit is a cult that makes people believe falsehoods and will eventually impoverish them.

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