slavery reparations.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 1, 2020 - 12:04pm

ok then, how about a chunk of money for all slave descendants. just roll the printing presses.

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc...

this really makes me sad and worried. radicalized black lawyers who had so much to lose throwing molotov cocktails? imagine the rage...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/nyreg...

Submitted by Coronita on June 1, 2020 - 2:11pm.

Since we are in the spirit of reparations, how about

1. We give back most of California land that was once farm land belonging to Japanese Americans that were sent off to camps.

2. Where is the compensation for all the Chinese that were worked to death building railroads?

Submitted by Coronita on June 1, 2020 - 2:13pm.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 1, 2020 - 2:44pm.

Coronita wrote:
Since we are in the spirit of reparations, how about

1. We give back most of California land that was once farm land belonging to Japanese Americans that were sent off to camps.

2. Where is the compensation for all the Chinese that were worked to death building railroads?

good thought. I recently visited the japanese camps up by lone pine near death valley. fascinating place to visit. worth checking out. MANZANAR.

https://www.nps.gov/manz/index.htm

however; that relocation was never found to be unconstitutional. sure it was racist and evil, but constitutional.

slavery however, was found to be constitutional rights violation so im not sure the japanese americans have a cognizable claim. but maybe. sure seems liek ti would be fair.

as to the chinese railroad workers, i don't know. were they willingly there? not sure about this one . need more facts.

Submitted by Coronita on June 1, 2020 - 3:31pm.

Every white person should return all their property to an American Indian and work at an Indian reservation casino.

If you can't tell by now, I wasn't serious about anything.

Perhaps a more practical approach might simply to consider is to round up the minute small part of "bad actors" of our society and put them on trial and bring back the death penalty. And for the rest of our society to forgive and move on from the past knowing that most of the people probably realize the past was wrong and cannot be changed.

And by the very same logic that not every black person walking down the street is a crimnal, not every white person is a racist.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 1, 2020 - 3:33pm.

Before the Indians, the Mexicans should be compensated. Mexican landowners were forced to give up they land at gunpoint after the US annexed California.

Submitted by Coronita on June 1, 2020 - 3:39pm.

And since Chinese people are one of the oldest civilizations, many of you westerners still owe us from the days of the Opium wars, where many of you Europeans stoke all the treasures, gold, etc from the then Chinese emperor after the then China refused to participate in the then Opium drug trade. That's why so much ancient Chinese set and artifacts can still be found in Museums in UK.

Submitted by Coronita on June 1, 2020 - 3:50pm.

I don't need you apologists to make other white people apologize for some things that some other white people might have done in the past.

All I need you to do is to not screw around and make things unequal for others moving forward as a concession to appease some African Americans that were wronged.

Submitted by svelte on June 1, 2020 - 5:43pm.

Coronita wrote:
I don't need you apologists to make other white people apologize for some things that some other white people might have done in the past.

All I need you to do is to not screw around and make things unequal for others moving forward as a concession to appease some African Americans that were wronged.

Totally agree.

Absolutely hate that there was slavery in the past, but that was generations ago. Many American Indians in my family tree and my wife's family tree, but we aren't asking for our land back, or compensation for the severe mistreatment of our ancestors. Hell, my wifes G-G-G-G-x-grandfather was full-blooded Cherokee and fought on the Union side of the civil war. He injured his leg to the bone by hauling a cannon around the midwest during the civil war...supporting the country that had taken his people's land! The cannon was hitched to his horse and the tongue of the cannon wore his leg to the bone. He walked on crutches for the next decade then died from a leg infection. He applied year after year for injury benefits due him and they did not arrive until 10 years after he died, when his wife was on her deathbed. Makes me very angry.

But I'm not asking for any money.

Also what isn't coming out in the news: It was a black Minneapolis police officer who shot and killed an unarmed white woman in an alley in 2017. How many stores burned when that happened?

And on top of that, the current Chief of Police in Minneapolis is black. Do you think he'd let racism run rampant in his department?

If anything, perhaps the Minneapolis PD has a tough guy problem as scaredy has been eluding to, not racism. I think that overall PDs are good, but there certainly can be a bad organization or two out there. Evidence is pointing in that direction in Minneapolis.

Submitted by outtamojo on June 1, 2020 - 6:17pm.
Submitted by svelte on June 1, 2020 - 6:21pm.

outtamojo wrote:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ricky-ellsworth-black-cop/

Did you read more than a couple of paragraphs down in that link?

It verifies exactly what I said.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_o...

Submitted by outtamojo on June 1, 2020 - 6:33pm.

Yeah, cops went to jail.

Submitted by svelte on June 1, 2020 - 6:43pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Yeah, cops went to jail.

They most certainly do.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/amber-...

Submitted by outtamojo on June 1, 2020 - 7:12pm.

Yeah that balances the scale.

Submitted by svelte on June 1, 2020 - 7:23pm.

outtamojo wrote:
Yeah that balances the scale.

You're all about fair play aren't you? You've attempted to tilt the scale at every opportunity.

Done.

Submitted by outtamojo on June 1, 2020 - 7:31pm.

We are not going back to the way things were.
A movement is afoot,led by the young people.
They see the scale even if you don't.
I am so proud of them.
All of us older folk need to die off so the world can be a better place.

I think I stole that last line from somebody here.

Submitted by ltsddd on June 1, 2020 - 7:43pm.

Coronita wrote:
That's why so much ancient Chinese set and artifacts can still be found in Museums in UK.

You should be grateful there are still "so much ancient Chinese set and artifacts can still be found in Museums".

As bad and painful as it is to lose that much of a nation's treasures to another country; in the case of China that might have been the best thing to happen to her.
Try to imagine them being smashed or melted down for scrap metal by the Red Guards during whatever the eff they claimed they were doing back in the 50s and 60s and 70s(?).

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 1, 2020 - 11:05pm.

Itsddd, the British museum will lose the Elgin marbles argument soon.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 2, 2020 - 12:46pm.

In history, there is a principle called the right of conquest.
Revolutions also cancel previous contracts or obligations.

Slavery is very different. It’s clearly unconstitutional and occurred in USA which is an ongoing concern. Slaves were forced to work and didn’t get paid so there is debt due.

The Japanese American internees received compensation. The adequacy of the compensation may be debatable however.

Submitted by Coronita on June 2, 2020 - 12:57pm.

ltsddd wrote:
Coronita wrote:
That's why so much ancient Chinese set and artifacts can still be found in Museums in UK.

You should be grateful there are still "so much ancient Chinese set and artifacts can still be found in Museums".

As bad and painful as it is to lose that much of a nation's treasures to another country; in the case of China that might have been the best thing to happen to her.
Try to imagine them being smashed or melted down for scrap metal by the Red Guards during whatever the eff they claimed they were doing back in the 50s and 60s and 70s(?).

It could be argued that China probably would not have fallen to the Communists had western nations not raided and weakened China's empire during the Opium Wars. Also, let history show that Taiwan was actually on the side of Imperial Japan during WWII and to this day still maintains a slave/subservient image among old time Japanese, especially in the way that Japanese officials never acknowledge Taiwan, even during the Tsunami crisis where Taiwan donated a lot of relief money to Japan. Old school Japan only respect those that have put up a fight with them, and from that regards respect the mainland Communists much more so than the Islanders that simply let bent over without a fight.

Submitted by davelj on June 2, 2020 - 4:28pm.

I presume that all talks of slavery reparations are for the purpose of (1) visibility - "I'd like to be seen on a talk show discussing something"; (2) politics - "My constituency likes the idea of reparations"; or (3) virtue signalling - "I care so deeply." Nothing meaningful will ever happen in terms of cutting checks to individual African Americans because it's simply too difficult to determine who is owed what and by whom.

Related, most of my ancestors were serfs in Western Europe for centuries. Serfs, while generally not treated as harshly as american slaves, were tied to the land, and bought and sold with such land. They generally had some modest amount of that land and their time - ~15% was typical - that was for their own private use (Why thank you, Mr. Duke!). The rest was owned by the Lord of the manor. So, basically, 85% slaves... better than 100%, that's for sure, but still. Anyhow, I'm still waiting for a check from the aristocracies of Western Europe for the value of all of that free labor over the centuries (compounded to reflect inflation, of course).

To the victors - often also slaveholders and serfholders - went the spoils. Such is life.

Submitted by zk on June 2, 2020 - 4:50pm.

svelte wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ricky-ellsworth-black-cop/

Did you read more than a couple of paragraphs down in that link?

It verifies exactly what I said.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond

I could be reading all this wrong, but:

It seems to me like Noor shot Diamond in a split second. I don't see how this would've given him time to consider her race (or gender or state of armament or footwear choice). Many people, when, say, a friend jumps out from behind something and makes a loud noise in an attempt to startle them, will react with a punch or something of the sort before really analyzing or understanding the situation. It seems to me that's what Noor did. Obviously that's horrible police work, and maybe even murder. But racially motivated? Doesn't seem like it to me. In fact, what he wrote in the report aside (what was he going to say? She startled me so I shot her without thinking?), I would wager that if he'd given himself literally 3/4 of a second to figure out what was happening, he wouldn't have shot her.

Chauvin, on the other hand, knelt on the guy's neck for eight minutes, and for over two minutes after he was unresponsive.

Not really comparable, in my opinion.

Submitted by ltsddd on June 2, 2020 - 7:47pm.

Coronita wrote:
It could be argued that China probably would not have fallen to the Communists had western nations not raided and weakened China's empire during the Opium Wars.

China was already weak and had fallen behind most of Europe and Japan. The Chin themselves were foreigners. Guess which foreigners Dr. Sun worked so hard to drive out of China?

Coronita wrote:

Also, let history show that Taiwan was actually on the side of Imperial Japan during WWII and to this day still maintains a slave/subservient image among old time
Japanese, especially in the way that Japanese officials never acknowledge Taiwan, even during the Tsunami crisis where Taiwan donated a lot of relief money to Japan.

Wait, wasn't Taiwan a colony of Japan by then?

Coronita wrote:

Old school Japan only respect those that have put up a fight with them, and from that regards respect the mainland Communists much more so than the Islanders that simply let bent over without a fight.

Dude, they should respect Taiwan b/c the KMT were the ones that put up any fight at all against Japan's invasion of China. The cunning red commies just hid out in caves in far flung areas to wait it out. You know like that saying "fisherman enjoys the fortune" strategy?

Submitted by an on June 2, 2020 - 8:01pm.

outtamojo wrote:
We are not going back to the way things were.
A movement is afoot,led by the young people.
They see the scale even if you don't.
I am so proud of them.
All of us older folk need to die off so the world can be a better place.

I think I stole that last line from somebody here.


In that case, COVID-19 is your exact answer. Since COVID-19 mainly only kill older folks. Lets open up everything immediately 100% w/out social distancing.

Submitted by ucodegen on June 5, 2020 - 1:55am.

Coronita wrote:
It could be argued that China probably would not have fallen to the Communists had western nations not raided and weakened China's empire during the Opium Wars.

You might want to double check what you said...
Look up Chian Kai-shek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai...

Clause: 1937 he mobilized China for the Second Sino-Japanese War.

The US and Britain were working with him to try to protect China from Japan. Note also the use of the term 'Republic of China'(democracy). Much of it was done on the sly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Tigers). Once the the war with Japan was ended, the Communists under Mao resumed their Civil War (temporarily suspended to fight Japan), fighting a now exhausted army after the fight with Japan and using that to drive him onto island of Formosa now called Taiwan. The communists had not exhausted their forces to protect China from Japan. The communists under Mao did what Japan was hoping to do to the United States (in part) near the close of hostilities with Germany.

BTW; Opium wars were 1839 - 1860. Chaing Kai-sheks nationalists were defeated by the communists in 1948.

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