Skyranch in Santee

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Submitted by sunny88 on March 1, 2009 - 12:43am

The homes at Skyranch in Santee are very "reasonably" priced compared to other new homes in San Diego and there is no Mello Roos. I would like to see if anybody in this forum has bought a home in this development or if anybody has an opinion if they are a good value. Also, will home prices in Santee go up faster than other parts of SD?

Submitted by Coronita on June 21, 2010 - 9:52pm.

Hobie wrote:
Exactly. And will they take public transportation from Santee to LJ Country Day? And mom certainly is not driving from Skyranch to LJ 2x/day.

I went through this right now with a my bosses, former bosses, 2 colleagues, 2 neighbors, and 1 friend.

Conclusion?

Most of them moved to an area with a better school district, because they couldn't afford 12 years of private school for 2 kids (and these are double income, higher income families)...The remaining ones were very well off families: didn't blink about shelling out $20-30k/year per kid, and aren't thinking about trying to save $100-200k on a home purchase.

Disclaimer: I'm not a subscriber to this "overeducation" mentality...

Submitted by sunny88 on June 21, 2010 - 9:54pm.

flu wrote:
Hobie wrote:
Exactly. And will they take public transportation from Santee to LJ Country Day? And mom certainly is not driving from Skyranch to LJ 2x/day.

I went through this right now with a my bosses, former bosses, 2 colleagues, 2 neighbors, and 1 friend.

Conclusion?

Most of them moved to an area with a better school district, because they couldn't afford 12 years of private school for 2 kids (and these are double income, higher income families)...The remaining ones were very well off families: didn't blink about shelling out $20-30k/year per kid, and aren't thinking about trying to save $100-200k on a home purchase.

Disclaimer: I'm not a subscriber to this "overeducation" mentality...

Well said, I think if you cannot afford to live in a good school district you are also not able to pay for a good private school.

Submitted by Coronita on June 21, 2010 - 9:57pm.

sunny88 wrote:
flu wrote:
Hobie wrote:
Exactly. And will they take public transportation from Santee to LJ Country Day? And mom certainly is not driving from Skyranch to LJ 2x/day.

I went through this right now with a my bosses, former bosses, 2 colleagues, 2 neighbors, and 1 friend.

Conclusion?

Most of them moved to an area with a better school district, because they couldn't afford 12 years of private school for 2 kids (and these are double income, higher income families)...The remaining ones were very well off families: didn't blink about shelling out $20-30k/year per kid, and aren't thinking about trying to save $100-200k on a home purchase.

Disclaimer: I'm not a subscriber to this "overeducation" mentality...

Well said, I think if you cannot afford to live in a good school district you are also not able to pay for a good private school.

Well, let's not overgeneralize. I'm sure there are exceptions...Just giving my observations about what people are doing.

Submitted by sunny88 on June 21, 2010 - 10:21pm.

flu wrote:
sunny88 wrote:
flu wrote:
Hobie wrote:
Exactly. And will they take public transportation from Santee to LJ Country Day? And mom certainly is not driving from Skyranch to LJ 2x/day.

I went through this right now with a my bosses, former bosses, 2 colleagues, 2 neighbors, and 1 friend.

Conclusion?

Most of them moved to an area with a better school district, because they couldn't afford 12 years of private school for 2 kids (and these are double income, higher income families)...The remaining ones were very well off families: didn't blink about shelling out $20-30k/year per kid, and aren't thinking about trying to save $100-200k on a home purchase.

Disclaimer: I'm not a subscriber to this "overeducation" mentality...

Well said, I think if you cannot afford to live in a good school district you are also not able to pay for a good private school.

Well, let's not overgeneralize. I'm sure there are exceptions...Just giving my observations about what people are doing.

There are very few students at Bishop's or Country Day from the East County or South Bay.

Submitted by NotCranky on June 21, 2010 - 10:31pm.

274 comments about Santee....hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 21, 2010 - 10:39pm.

sunny88 wrote:
There are very few students at Bishop's or Country Day from the East County or South Bay.

Bishops has two bus stops on Bonita Road in the South Bay. It drops off students at about 3:05 and 3:10 there. In the morning, there are several students waiting for the Bishops bus at the Bonita Post Office. Not sure where the other stops are around here.

We now have Mater Dei Catholic located in Otay Ranch to replace the old Marion Catholic in Nestor. All the instructors at Mater Dei and its sister school Cathedral Catholic possess Doctorates. Many instructors for Mater Dei were brought in from Ohio. Since Marion (in Nestor) and Uni (in Linda Vista) were closed, the tuition for these two new schools more than doubled. It is now more than $9,500 per year for the first student in a family! It is an all-college prep curriculum, though, and the campuses resemble college campuses.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 21, 2010 - 10:43pm.

flu, it seems like you're getting way ahead of yourself here. Unless you want your child to have a religious education, private school is completely unnecessary until the student reaches 9th grade. CSU AND CU are now factoring in the 9th grade transcripts along with 10th and 11th grade for admission purposes.

Spending exorbitant amounts on a private education BEFORE 9th grade is a huge waste of $$, IMO.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 21, 2010 - 10:47pm.

btw, the Bishops stops in Bonita pick up and drop off ONLY HS students. I have never seen any younger students waiting for or getting off their buses.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 21, 2010 - 10:49pm.

flu wrote:
I went through this right now with a my bosses, former bosses, 2 colleagues, 2 neighbors, and 1 friend.

Conclusion?

Most of them moved to an area with a better school district, because they couldn't afford 12 years of private school for 2 kids (and these are double income, higher income families)...The remaining ones were very well off families: didn't blink about shelling out $20-30k/year per kid, and aren't thinking about trying to save $100-200k on a home purchase.

Disclaimer: I'm not a subscriber to this "overeducation" mentality...

Crazy, crazy, crazy . . . these people must have money to burn . . . this is utterly ridiculous.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 21, 2010 - 11:00pm.

sunny88 wrote:
Skyranchowner,

you raved so much about Skyranch without mentioning the schools in Santee. How are they compared to schools in 4S Ranch or Scripps Ranch? Does a family have to send their kids to a private school if they live in Santee or is there no need to do so? Your input will be very much appreciated.

sunny88, I'm not too familiar with Santana and El Capitan High Schools in East County but I think those students may also be able to zone into Granite Hills. I KNOW that school has AP classes and I think even an IB program. I'm fairly certain those schools (in the GUHSD) are good out there.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on June 21, 2010 - 11:02pm.

I understand that some of the private schools have random drug testing at their schools as part of the contract for attending. Some of them also require academic testing to get in. They have a dress code and they usually do not tolerate cheating. These rules do not eliminate bad behavior, but they give the faculty a fighting chance to control their classes. Going to private schools is a privilege, not an entitlement. They have scholarships, but no lunch subsidies. When your family pays for your schooling there is more of an expectation that having an education is valued. I think public school teachers have an up hill battle.

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on June 21, 2010 - 11:16pm.

Hobie, I don't plan on posting any information on how much I paid for the house, the electric/water bill or anything that someone could look up and figure out who the owners are, how the house was paid for, etc.

If you're looking to verify whether I own or not, you will have to take my word that I do own in Sky Ranch.

Sorry for many of you nay sayers out there, but I like Sky Ranch and I like Santee and I'm happy with my purchase.

I'm only posting on this site to inform those who are considering Santee and Sky Ranch, and why I bought. I've posted links to all the things that I've found out about the area to help people make an informed decision. Everyone can decide what is best for themselves.

Yet, you can't say no one wants to live in Santee, because these homes are selling in Sky Ranch, people are moving here, and, against what you might think, they are happy here!

The schools aren't as nice as Del Mar Unified or Poway Unified, but they are good public schools. I would have to say that the private schools are better, and I feel that, if you can afford it, it's better to have the kids in private school when they are young. This is the best time to develop their value system and beliefs in what is right and wrong. By highschool, most of this is established in their core thinking. I would say, start the kids in private school early, then send them to public schools later, like in highschool, to see what the world is really like and to save money, if that is your concern. Private elementary school is much less than private high school.

Here is some API info:

http://school-ratings.com/cities/Santee.... - Santee

http://school-ratings.com/cities/Poway.html - Poway

http://school-ratings.com/cities/Del_Mar... - Del Mar

http://school-ratings.com/cities/San_Mar... - San Marcos

http://school-ratings.com/cities/Chula_V... - Chula Vista

http://school-ratings.com/cities/Carlsba... - Carlsbad

Overall, we like it here, and we hope many other people do too. Santee, again, won't be for everyone, but it's a nice place to live for all the reasons I've posted on in the past.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on June 21, 2010 - 11:31pm.

I think most of us believe you live there. You are far too passionate about your home to be a salesperson looking to make more sales. Quick question- are any of the lots on fill and if so, what kind of guarantee did the engineers make about the safety of the lots? A very, very long time ago, Santee was known for poor building and cracked slabs. Some of the Sky Ranch lots seemed like they were built on fill as opposed to the leveled off mountain top. Obviously, the damaged houses were not at Sky Ranch.

Submitted by an on June 22, 2010 - 12:41am.

flu wrote:
Hobie wrote:
Exactly. And will they take public transportation from Santee to LJ Country Day? And mom certainly is not driving from Skyranch to LJ 2x/day.

I went through this right now with a my bosses, former bosses, 2 colleagues, 2 neighbors, and 1 friend.

Conclusion?

Most of them moved to an area with a better school district, because they couldn't afford 12 years of private school for 2 kids (and these are double income, higher income families)...The remaining ones were very well off families: didn't blink about shelling out $20-30k/year per kid, and aren't thinking about trying to save $100-200k on a home purchase.

Disclaimer: I'm not a subscriber to this "overeducation" mentality...


flu, lets do some comparison.

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100018493-11...

vs

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100009996-61...

Similar sized homes, similar view (over estimation in favor of DH?), Santee's lot is slightly bigger @17k vs 9k. DH HOA+MR = $203/month vs SR HOA = $342/month.

So for the sake of argument that these two homes are quite comparable in every way. Now, lets look at the price. $799k (list price) vs $1.465M (sold price). The $140/month more in HOA I think will be more than offset by the extra property tax you have to pay.

Now, lets assume you send your kid to LJCD @ $30k/yr (over estimation, it's currently max out at $26k/yr) and you have 2 kids. Total cost of private education K-12 for 2 kids would be $720k. $720k + $800k = $1.52M. That's slightly higher than $1.465M, but you're sending your kids to LJCD vs Torrey Pine HS. I see comparing LJCD to Torrey Pine HS is like comparing TPHS to MMHS. They're just in different league. A private school that's not as good as LJCD (at least by reputation) but better than TPHS would be Cathedral HS in CV. I know someone who took their kid out of TPHS and put him/her into Cathedral. Tuition there is ~$13k/yr. So if you send your kids to Cathedral HS (and other cheaper private K-8) instead of LJCD, you can have 4 kids instead of 2. Also, a lot of the private schools I looked into for K-6 is <$10k/yr, w/ the exception of LJCD and the like.

So, the numbers work out for me (SR + LJCD) = DH + public school. Did I run my numbers wrong?

Submitted by Zeitgeist on June 22, 2010 - 12:53am.

Nice comparison AN of the houses and the private schools. I think you helped make the argument that the fans of Santee have been trying to make. It still gets down to what is most important to people and for many of them it is obvious that where they live means almost as much to them as how they live or maybe it means more.

Submitted by Coronita on June 22, 2010 - 3:21am.

bearishgurl wrote:
flu, it seems like you're getting way ahead of yourself here. Unless you want your child to have a religious education, private school is completely unnecessary until the student reaches 9th grade. CSU AND CU are now factoring in the 9th grade transcripts along with 10th and 11th grade for admission purposes.

Spending exorbitant amounts on a private education BEFORE 9th grade is a huge waste of $$, IMO.

(Yawn, insomnia and waiting for overseas help...)...

Oh, you won't get any argument from me about this...But, I was addressing this particular argument about "sending kids to private school" argument which some really really want to make..

Submitted by sunny88 on June 26, 2010 - 3:20pm.

When talking to some realtors I get the impression that Santee is very unpopular amongst many San Diegans due to a bad reputation from the past. Most of them seem to be outdated. I feel that buying a home in Santee is almost like being an unloved stock of a good company with great potential.

Submitted by Misheloff on June 26, 2010 - 5:22pm.

We made the mistake of living in Santee for a short period of time. The schools are *dreadful*.

We ended up moving to Rancho Bernardo so that our daughter wouldn't have to grow up with the substandard education available in Santee. Its not so much the schools, but the low caliber of kids (due to the low caliber of parenting) in the schools. Teachers pretty much have to teach to the median, and the median was very, very low. (My wife volunteered at the school...not a pleasant experience).

Beyond that, even if you live in oh so wonderful Sky Ranch, you are still amongst the denizens of the rest of Santee. That means seeing barefoot kids in the grocery store, tattoed, toothless people around town, and a 20 minute drive to the nearst place to get a decent steak.

If you have low standards for your environment, your kids future, and your general existence, Sky Ranch and the upcoming 110 degree temperatures through san Santee summer may be for you.

Submitted by kcal09 on June 26, 2010 - 7:34pm.

Misheloff wrote:
We made the mistake of living in Santee for a short period of time. The schools are *dreadful*.

We ended up moving to Rancho Bernardo so that our daughter wouldn't have to grow up with the substandard education available in Santee. Its not so much the schools, but the low caliber of kids (due to the low caliber of parenting) in the schools. Teachers pretty much have to teach to the median, and the median was very, very low. (My wife volunteered at the school...not a pleasant experience).

Beyond that, even if you live in oh so wonderful Sky Ranch, you are still amongst the denizens of the rest of Santee. That means seeing barefoot kids in the grocery store, tattoed, toothless people around town, and a 20 minute drive to the nearst place to get a decent steak.

If you have low standards for your environment, your kids future, and your general existence, Sky Ranch and the upcoming 110 degree temperatures through san Santee summer may be for you.

Your observations are very critical. I must assume that you lived in Santee a long time ago? The city has a lot of nice stores and restaurants now and most of the homeowners who have contributed here are very happy.

Submitted by joec on June 26, 2010 - 8:36pm.

Micheloff's words are more biting than I'd ever want to use, but I think his main point is that Santee has a lot of older homes/neighborhoods (like the trailer park next to the 52) where unlike all the new Sky Ranch residents, are probably not folks you'd want to hang out with or see/be around. These folks still go to your restaurants, stores, etc...Maybe it was just me, but I remember dining out in a simple place like Denny's in East county vs. the coast and the demographics between the two were night and day.

This is not a knock on Sky Ranch, but since some residents of Santee have been there for a while and live in lower cost housing available there, you get the idea of how the community is. Again, some folks hate living in a robo-stepford wife environment too, but in our visits (in 2007-2008) to Santee, we certainly didn't feel like we felt comfortable or safe there. I'm sure it's not as bad if you grew up/lived there.

This type of thing is everywhere, but some folks would prefer to avoid it if they could afford to.

This was another reason we decided against the Riverwalk community. I'm sure the piggington buyer folks are great, but on my tours of that development, the barefoot kid which his wife-beater tank-top tattooed dad also looking at the homes were a major turnoff (I'm sure he's a nice guy actually).

Like an HOA is good if you don't want to live next to some redneck who parks his 3 broken trucks on his front lawn, some economic segregation is a good thing for housing.

Submitted by santeeman on June 26, 2010 - 9:28pm.

Your arguments are just nonsense. You are just trying to bash Santee because you can't handle being wrong. I don't believe you lived here.

You can see by the API scores given in skyranch owners example, the high income school districts have the same or only a little higher API scores.
Yet the homes are hundreds of thousands of dollars more expensive.

My wife is a board member at our local PTSA and states that in the school district world Santee schools are being noticed for their constant and fantastic progress. They will soon be on par will the Poway school district no doubt.

There is a charter school in Lakeside for 7th through 12th grade that is near Skyranch.

http://www.rivervalleyhigh.org/

It's test score trump any school in any district mentioned above. You do have to be accepted. But if your kid is doing well enough like mine do they will have no trouble getting in.

My kids take the honors classes called GATE classes that our elementary schools provide.
They are able to finish the california state standards and start working on the next grade level after they finish their grade level standards. All GUHSD schools offer AP and honors classes except Chapparral continuation school I think. At Santana you have to test high enough to get in the honors classes though Westhills will allow more students to take them. At Westhills they do not allow students to take less than college prep classes. Applied arts are only for special education. Santana will applied arts for average students.

I happen to know many people who live at Riverwalk. My anesthesiologist, a commander in the Navy, and a doctor among others. None of them wear wife beaters, and I have never seen their kids barefoot and dirty. That is utter nonsense.

You are making things up just to bash Santee because you can't win the argument.

Submitted by Coronita on June 26, 2010 - 9:32pm.

Lol. the thread that just keeps giving....Have fun folks.

Submitted by santeeman on June 26, 2010 - 9:37pm.

Oops

Submitted by joec on June 26, 2010 - 9:57pm.

Actually, I'm not making it up and you can say whatever you wish to defend your own visits, but when we visited probably upwards of 5 times to Santee in 2008 since we seriously considered buying, we took 1 look at another family visiting Riverwalk and that alone changed OUR minds to live there. My point is that for some folks, the negative stigma and the work in process that's ongoing will keep them out and affect housing values due to demand from those folks...

Again, I'm not stating everyone who lives there is a tatooed wife-beating shirt wearer with barefoot kids; and that person looking probably doesn't even live there now, but that's what we saw and it was enough for us to move on and keep looking.

In the end, people will see what they choose to see, but I certainly can agree with some of the other not so rosy comments of Santee having visited many times...

Submitted by santeeman on June 26, 2010 - 10:09pm.

That's fine and I am not opposed to people having the opinion that Santee is not good enough for them.

But to say SUCH NEGATIVE things that are blatant lies and sooo absolutely made up like the schools are crap and the people are hillbillies is because someone lost an argument and NOT based on any factual and intelligent debate.

I like it

you don't

fine stay where you are.

The only reason why this post is ongoing is because none of these people will let it die because they CAN'T be wrong. They are compelled to keep up their arguments.

I wonder how many are married. It must be lovely living with some of these ego maniacs.

Submitted by joec on June 26, 2010 - 10:40pm.

I think you're taking this discussion a little too personally. Maybe since you live there, you feel every negative comment is a personal attack, but all my comments are merely to give other folks an honest, real opinion of why "WE" didn't choose to move there. Similar to how Skyranchowner posts reasons as to why he chose to live there, most of the comments and my comments here is the other side of the story so to speak.

As for blatant lies, I didn't talk about the schools at all so I can't speak for the other person who did, but read my earlier post on the % of sex offenders in Santee vs. the other areas, there is data to back that comment up and was another reason we didn't choose to move there (any comments from any Santee owners if that metric was a concern for you?).

I think this thread keeps getting resurrected because some folks do seem to like to bash Santee for whatever reason (maybe it's just to get you folks riled up), but probably also because of comments like calling it "La Jolla of the East" or 15 minutes to the beach comments. :)

Anyhow, no one had any thoughts to my earlier question as to why not live in Blossom Hill in Carlsbad for the same price as Skyranch?

I think everyone here is married, why else would we even bother searching for a home!

Submitted by santeeman on June 26, 2010 - 10:49pm.

I have seen areas of sex offenders myself. I agree, there seem to be a lot. But they are everywhere, apparently even in Poway.

No child from Santee has died at the hands of a child predator here to date. I think at least two children have died in Poway in recent years.

The crime rate out here happens to be one of the lowest in the county.

So I will take my chances here.

You are welcome to your opinions.

Submitted by Misheloff on June 27, 2010 - 10:28am.

No I only left Santee a three years ago. Just sticking some nice buildings in the Santee Town Center is kind of like putting lipstick on a pig. You may have an Olive Garden, but you still live amongst mutants.

Submitted by kcal09 on June 27, 2010 - 10:41am.

Misheloff wrote:
No I only left Santee a three years ago. Just sticking some nice buildings in the Santee Town Center is kind of like putting lipstick on a pig. You may have an Olive Garden, but you still live amongst mutants.

I think it will take a few more years before we see a real difference. Santee is clearly changing to a more attractive and liveable city. It will never be like La Jolla where the "more-better" folks live but it can transform to a safe and nice town for middle class people who don't mind living with more "traditional" folks.

Submitted by santeeman on June 27, 2010 - 11:48am.

Misheloff wrote:
No I only left Santee a three years ago. Just sticking some nice buildings in the Santee Town Center is kind of like putting lipstick on a pig. You may have an Olive Garden, but you still live amongst mutants.

This is exactly what I mean. You are a liar. You never lived here. It's not only a few buildings, it's 70% of the buildings have been upgraded or are new.

Mutants, that is what you are when you cast misinformation for fact. There are plenty of people who live here who are better educated, have more class, and more money than you do.

Saying things like that is just bashing. You lost the argument and can't handle it. Move on.

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