Skyranch in Santee

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Submitted by sunny88 on March 1, 2009 - 12:43am

The homes at Skyranch in Santee are very "reasonably" priced compared to other new homes in San Diego and there is no Mello Roos. I would like to see if anybody in this forum has bought a home in this development or if anybody has an opinion if they are a good value. Also, will home prices in Santee go up faster than other parts of SD?

Submitted by PKMAN on June 15, 2010 - 11:27am.

Just saw this today:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/...

There's a PDF file that has even more details.

I noticed 3 things in particular:

1. As a region, East County is 2nd only to North County Costal in property value increases, 10% higher than North County Inland.

2. Per zip code, Santee is 3rd only to Downtown and Rancho Bernardo East in the most homes sold in May.

3. Santee's median home price in May is roughly comparable to Mira Mesa, San Marcos and Chula Vista, higher than the average of Oceansides; all areas traditionally perceived as more desirable place to live.

I'm not here to sell people on Santee or my community, I'm just saying that while the old perceptions certainly die hard, more and more home buyers are now seeing Santee in different lights (whereas in the past it may have been overlooked by many simply due to old perceptions) and realizing the benefits/amenities that this town has to offer.

I've met many new neighbors who told me that they never thought they'd buy in Santee. Just like most of us (myself included), they started their house-hunting in North County Inland (SEH, 4S, Del Sur, etc.) but eventually realized that Santee is just as nice and the dollar stretches further here.

Submitted by natty on June 15, 2010 - 11:52am.

PKMAN wrote:
Just saw this today:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/...

There's a PDF file that has even more details.

I noticed 3 things in particular:

1. As a region, East County is 2nd only to North County Costal in property value increases, 10% higher than North County Inland.

2. Per zip code, Santee is 3rd only to Downtown and Rancho Bernardo East in the most homes sold in May.

3. Santee's median home price in May is roughly comparable to Mira Mesa, San Marcos and Chula Vista, higher than the average of Oceansides; all areas traditionally perceived as more desirable place to live.

I'm not here to sell people on Santee or my community, I'm just saying that while the old perceptions certainly die hard, more and more home buyers are now seeing Santee in different lights (whereas in the past it may have been overlooked by many simply due to old perceptions) and realizing the benefits/amenities that this town has to offer.

I've met many new neighbors who told me that they never thought they'd buy in Santee. Just like most of us (myself included), they started their house-hunting in North County Inland (SEH, 4S, Del Sur, etc.) but eventually realized that Santee is just as nice and the dollar stretches further here.

Again, the use of generalized numbers as affirmation of such a personalized and specific decision--primary home residence--is entirely your choice.

YOUR $ stretching further by living there is not a blanket statement. It's a sales pitch as a blanket statement.

People who have posted as having moved to Santee within the past couple years, and are happy, kudos.

Submitted by UCGal on June 15, 2010 - 12:40pm.

PKMAN wrote:

I've met many new neighbors who told me that they never thought they'd buy in Santee. Just like most of us (myself included), they started their house-hunting in North County Inland (SEH, 4S, Del Sur, etc.) but eventually realized that Santee is just as nice and the dollar stretches further here.

An extended family member just purchased in Santee. It's not a new build house, but it was affordable. He's thrilled.

He did not pick Santee as his first choice... but due to budget requirements and commute time requirements, Santee was the winner.

I'm sure he'll be happy. But if a comparable house had been available, for the same price, in Mira Mesa or Clairemont, that's where he would have bought. This was a point of discussion during the decision making process.

Submitted by briansd1 on June 15, 2010 - 12:50pm.

PKMAN wrote:

3. Santee's median home price in May is roughly comparable to Mira Mesa, San Marcos and Chula Vista, higher than the average of Oceansides; all areas traditionally perceived as more desirable place to live.

PKMAN wrote:

the dollar stretches further here.

I believe that people were not dissing Santee as much as saying that the dollar doesn't really stretch further at Sky Ranch, especially if you include the commute and the HOA.

Submitted by PKMAN on June 15, 2010 - 2:55pm.

briansd1 wrote:
I believe that people were not dissing Santee as much as saying that the dollar doesn't really stretch further at Sky Ranch, especially if you include the commute and the HOA.
Not defending or justifying Sky Ranch....but if San Marcos and Chula Vista can have $800K+ homes with high HOA, long commute to central SD and often with crippling Mello Roos, why not Sky Ranch?

So I think it's still comes down to the fact that many people don't view Santee as desirable as these other cities.

Submitted by NotCranky on June 15, 2010 - 3:58pm.

PKMAN wrote:
briansd1 wrote:
I believe that people were not dissing Santee as much as saying that the dollar doesn't really stretch further at Sky Ranch, especially if you include the commute and the HOA.
Not defending or justifying Sky Ranch....but if San Marcos and Chula Vista can have $800K+ homes with high HOA, long commute to central SD and often with crippling Mello Roos, why not Sky Ranch?

So I think it's still comes down to the fact that many people don't view Santee as desirable as these other cities.

I agree.

It is possible of course that some people in Santee would have been better off spending that money elsewhere. I think it probably doesn't work to apply that across the board.

Even in Santee, the proportion of houses at a certain price relative to the rest, in conjunction with the number of people who make or have pretty good money locally matters too....or do all people who can afford an 800k house work where CV ,let alone San Marcos or Escondido, would be a better commute? A friend of mine takes the 125 to the 94 downtown and it isn't such a bad deal. Is Santee in a very different Southern California than Del Cerro? The value of lot size/distance from your neighbor and separation from other high density areas is completely in the eye of the beholder.

Submitted by natty on June 15, 2010 - 4:11pm.

Russell wrote:

I agree.

It is possible of course that some people in Santee would have been better off spending that money elsewhere. I think it probably doesn't work to apply that across the board.

Even in Santee, the proportion of houses at a certain price relative to the rest, in conjunction with the number of people who make or have pretty good money locally matters too....or do all people who can afford an 800k house work where CV ,let alone San Marcos or Escondido, would be a better commute? A friend of mine takes the 125 to the 94 downtown and it isn't such a bad deal. Is Santee in a very different Southern California than Del Cerro? The value of lot size/distance from your neighbor and separation from other high density areas is completely in the eye of the beholder.

I'm still confused here.

In your example; all other things being equal(impossible, but for sake of game)the difference between living in Del Cerro vs. SkyRanch and commuting to work downtown could be 15 minutes + one way. If commute to work is THE driving factor in residence location, say, one more important than all others, than said individual would live in Del Cerro given the choice between the 2.

No one is disputing the fact that people live in and around San Diego county and commute far and wide for work, for an incalculable list of reasons. Nor is anyone disputing the 'right' of a developer to build and price homes for sale in Santee for $800k.

Some of us, myself included, are simply not interested in Skyranch at that cost, for a need to not fully explain-long list of reasons. If a Santee resident feels that makes the area less desirable in my eyes than others, assumption is correct.

Submitted by NotCranky on June 15, 2010 - 4:28pm.

I am not saying commute to work is the absolute driving factor. The Del Cerro reference stands only as a reference to other places with examples of equal or higher priced housing stock that are not too far removed from Santee. There are others, of course.

Submitted by SkyRanchOwner on June 15, 2010 - 9:45pm.

First, I'm an actual OWNER in Sky Ranch!

I've been discussing Sky Ranch and Santee to help answer questions on the community and city, and to let people know why we chose to live here. We too were skeptical, unsure, and nervous about our decision. We did LOTS of research on Santee and housing prices, and what I'm telling you is that we have been VERY happy with our decision to buy in Sky Ranch, and we have been VERY happy with Santee, the stores, the restaurants, the activities available. PLUS, have you seen the new Town Center Community Park they are building. It will be HUGE, with lots of sports activities that will be tied into the YMCA and Sportsplex USA:
http://www.sportsplexusa.com/Santee/Abou...

Parts of it just opened:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/...

We used to live in RB in the 4S Ranch area, and we searched for approximatley 4 years to buy a home.

We laughed when people were buying homes at the height of the boom and waiting hours in line, getting into lotteries, just to get called to buy a house that was surely overpriced.

We relied on this website and others and statistical, historical data on the real estate market, to know that something wasn't right. When only 3-5% of San Diegans could afford the average home (historically it had been at 50% at times), and when banks were giving everyone a loan, we thought, we need to wait it out, even if it's years. We made money as a family, and we still were looking at condo style homes with zero lot lines in 4Closure Ranch. We even had a loan, in hand, with a fixed 30 year rate back in 2005, then in 2006, and still we didn't buy!

We looked all around, and we noticed that the surrounding, outlying areas of San Diego were taking the biggest drops after the boom, i.e. - Chula Vista, San Marcos, Santee, etc. We were looking for a new home, and these areas all had new developments, that were dropping their prices and throwing in big incentives like crazy to get buyers.

Commutes to Sorrento Valley and La Jolla were a big deal for us, and commutes to Mission Valley/Fashion Valley and Downtown were also key. I'm telling you as an owner in Sky Ranch, that the commute to Sorrento Valley is not bad at all. I can make it leaving around 7:15 to 7:30 in about 25 minutes, no joke. I was really suprised myself. Since they have recently (probably 6-9 months ago) opened 3 lanes going over the hill in and out of Santee on the 52, it is MUCH, MUCH quicker. When the 52 is open, I know it will be even quicker, and that's a fact. I can even make it to downtown in about 25 minutes going 67 South to 8 West, then 5 South, or I can go 67 South, 8 West, 125 South, then 94 West.

Hobie, I'll get the water, sewer, garbage, utility numbers for you, but honestly, it's not that bad.

flu, the 1 acre lot I was showing/listing here is a special lot. Yes, most of that lot isn't usable or flat, but it keeps neighbors away. Also, that house for $699,990 has an odd driveway that will need some additional extensions on the side to help pulling in. It is on a slope, but you have no neighbors behind or on the other side of the house.

This house is $699,990. It is 7270 Ocotillo St.
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100023268-72...

It has been discounted because of it's location on a slope on the backside of the mountain and because of it's odd backyard with flat and slope areas mixed in.

All, the houses in Sky Ranch have different price points, so eveyone needs to stop quoting $800k. This is NOT the average price of the homes up here, right now. This is an Eaglepointe model, FULLY LOADED, on a culdesac.

The houses in Eaglepointe are in the $699k - $750k range right now.

The houses in Crestview are in the $525k - $580k range for 2400 - 3200 sq. ft. (single and two story homes)

kcal09 and Aecetia - I'll let you in on a little secret. The Sky Ranch HOA is looking to try and lower the HOA up here! Yes, LOWER the HOA. The original HOA was overbudgeted, and it's in the process of being revised and resubmitted. So, YES, HOA fees can come down, and they will in Sky Ranch.

HOA is taking care of the areas of your property that are beyond the fence lines on your property. Residents are talking about trying to extend their yards to reclaim some of this property to build out the backyards.

AN - The back yards aren't huge, and as flu and others discussed, part of the properties are on the slopes since we are on the mountain. Plus, with slopes comes no neighbors across the street from you, and no neighbors directly behind you. Yet, you do have less usable flat lot area and the footprints of the homes are large. Now, NOT ALL homes have no one across the street. It depends on where your house is on the mountain.

The distance between homes is decent. Eaglepointe homes have more disance between them than the Crestview homes. Eaglepointe homes are located, on average, on 14,000 sq. ft. lots, so the 1 acre is not the norm. Crestview has smaller lots.

Right now, Lennar is looking to build one last Plan 3, which looks like it will be released towards the end of this year. So, there will be another of the larger-end Eaglepointe homes available. They only have a few more Eaglepointe phases left, then they will all be sold out.

Here is the Site Plan for Eaglepointe from the Lennar website:
http://www.lennar.com/images/com/files/n...

Here is the Site Plan for Crestview from the Lennar website:
http://www.lennar.com/images/com/files/n...

There are many great private schools in the area:
Catholic Schools:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=na...

Christian Schools:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1...

And Public Schools:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1T...

Everyone, we were very suprised about the weather in the Summer up in Sky Ranch, in a good way. It is not as hot as it is down in the valley area, like Santee, El Cajon, etc. There is a very nice breeze up here, which warms up around noon, but is very cool in the morning and night. It is no hotter, and actually cooler than when we lived in RB because we have more of a breeze up here up on the mountain. Also, it is VERY quiet up here at night and the mornings, before the construction trucks and workers start arriving.

Here are some other developments in Santee that have been selling too:

Mission View (Cornerstone Communities):
http://www.cornerstonecommunities.com/sa...

7787 Britt Place, Santee
http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100025525-77...

Riverwalk, Canopy Park (Standard Pacific Homes)
http://www.standardpacifichomes.com/new-...

Riverwalk, Stoney Creek - SOLD OUT...

Sky Ranch for comparison:
http://www.skyranchliving.com/

Everyone's situation is different. Sky Ranch won't be for everyone. All I know is that, the people who chose to buy here, for their reasons, have been extremely happy!

Submitted by an on June 15, 2010 - 10:15pm.

SkyRanchOwner wrote:

AN - The back yards aren't huge, and as flu and others discussed, part of the properties are on the slopes since we are on the mountain. Plus, with slopes comes no neighbors across the street from you, and no neighbors directly behind you. Yet, you do have less usable flat lot area and the footprints of the homes are large. Now, NOT ALL homes have no one across the street. It depends on where your house is on the mountain.

The distance between homes is decent. Eaglepointe homes have more disance between them than the Crestview homes. Eaglepointe homes are located, on average, on 14,000 sq. ft. lots, so the 1 acre is not the norm. Crestview has smaller lots.


I know the backyard is not huge, and my eye balling estimate coincide w/ your statement of average 14k sq-ft lot. I said the backyard/side yard feels like a 2000 sq-ft single story house on a 1/4 acre lot. So the extra 2000 sq-ft lot goes to adding the size of the house.

I went to see the Eaglepointe models and I like the single story the best. The 2 stories model didn't do it for me.

Submitted by santeeman on June 15, 2010 - 10:29pm.

"Everyone, we were very suprised about the weather in the Summer up in Sky Ranch, in a good way. It is not as hot as it is down in the valley area, like Santee, El Cajon, etc. There is a very nice breeze up here, which warms up around noon, but is very cool in the morning and night. It is no hotter, and actually cooler than when we lived in RB because we have more of a breeze up here up on the mountain."

I thought that might be the case I noticed that breeze.

Submitted by sunny88 on June 15, 2010 - 10:46pm.

We liked the Eaglepointe Model 1 the best. It has a very functional and yet creative floor plan.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 15, 2010 - 11:07pm.

Russell wrote:
. . . Is Santee in a very different Southern California than Del Cerro? The value of lot size/distance from your neighbor and separation from other high density areas is completely in the eye of the beholder.

Yes, Russell, Santee is a completely different animal than Del Cerro. Del Cerro is zoned residential while Santee is "zoned" residential, commercial and industrial, sometimes all three on the same block, due to lack of proper zoning. Not speaking for Sky Ranch, but the "flats" of Santee have absolutely every type of property residing together hodgepodge, with a mix of dilapidated government facilities and even a small airport (EC proper) mixed in for a western border. Santee WILL NEVER be Del Cerro. Del Cerro (NOT "Princess Del Cerro" or "Allied Gardens" within the 92120 zip code) not only has many lots backed into unobstructed views of downtown and Mission Bay, the construction of many of these homes is FAR SUPERIOR to that of the construction of the avg. home in Santee. There are no commercial, industrial or multi-family properties of any kind there. Not even a laundromat or convenience store. It is truly a "homogenous" neighborhood and is higher up than Sky Ranch and at least 8-9 deg. warmer or cooler (milder), depending on season. In addition, it is probably 9-10 mi. closer to both downtown and the coast than Santee. Sorry, but there is NO COMPARISON between the two, which is reflected in the avg. sales prices of SFR's in both areas. They are apples and oranges.

PKMAN wrote:
Not defending or justifying Sky Ranch....but if San Marcos and Chula Vista can have $800K+ homes with high HOA, long commute to central SD and often with crippling Mello Roos, why not Sky Ranch?
emphasis added

PKMAN, regardless of what the U/T article states (which is based upon recent sales data), Chula Vista's Rancho Del Rey (using as an example here but there are others) has similar sales prices today as Sky Ranch but this area is now 12-18 yrs. old and fairly well-established. Here's an active listing now reduced to $650K to $699,900. Fabulously appointed for the price!

http://www.sdlookup.com/MLS-100010558-10...

From this property, one can walk to shopping in about ten minutes from these homes incl. Ralph's and Rite Aid anchoring a large strip mall, with another smaller strip mall situated diagonally across "H" Street. They are also walking distance to BVM (very close), BVH and SW College. They are NOT isolated like Sky Ranch and several lots have unobstructed views of downtown. This community is only 16 mi. from dtn. SD. Santee is 23-26 mi. from dtn. and 9-10 degrees hotter or cooler (more extreme), depending on season. Again, not an accurate comparison, PKMAN, if you're just using numbers and not taking into account "desirability" factors.

Here's a small snapshot of household income for 2008 in RDR census tracts:

http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/Ra...

The subject property (above) is located in a the top (yellow) census tract with a $168,167 median HH income in 2008 (situated in the highest viewpoint in RDR).

I can't speak for San Marcos except to say that it is 30-35 mi. from dtn. SD and 45 mins. to a one-hr. commute. I haven't driven up in SM since '99 but I can tell you that at that time I saw a few dirt roads and commercial/industrial also mixed in with residential on a couple of streets, leading me to believe the zoning is a bit "amiss" there as well (reminded me of a North County version of Spring Valley).

There's a h@lluva lotta difference between 16 mi. (Chula RDR) and 30-35 mi. (SM) when describing a commute in this county. Again, these two areas are "apples and oranges" compared to each other and bananas, in comparison to Santee.

This is not to bash Santee at all but just to state the facts. Santee is what it is and is located exactly where it is. It is surrounded by mtns. on three sides, keeping it "socked in." This can never be fixed.

Hope this post wasn't too annoying. I don't like to use too many links.

Submitted by an on June 15, 2010 - 11:13pm.

bearishgurl, why did you compare average Santee to average Del Cerro (while we all know Sky Ranch is not your average Santee)? Then in the same post, you bring up RDR. Is RDR your average Chula Vista homes? Doesn't Chula Vista have the same "down side" you listed for Santee?

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 15, 2010 - 11:56pm.

AN wrote:
bearishgurl, why did you compare average Santee to average Del Cerro (while we all know Sky Ranch is not your average Santee)? Then in the same post, you bring up RDR. Is RDR your average Chula Vista homes? Doesn't Chula Vista have the same "down side" you listed for Santee?

Because, AN, Del Cerro and Chula Vista are the comparisons with Sky Ranch that Russell and PKMAN made. Yes, Chula Vista has cheaper properties also but has MANY neighborhoods in the price range of OR HIGHER than Sky Ranch. Chula is a City of approx. 270K + population (in 5 zip codes) and has a wide variety of neighborhoods to choose from. Santee is a City of 52K - 64K pop. (depending on which website you believe) and IS ZONED COMMERCIAL / INDUSTRIAL. Chula Vista ONLY has COMMERCIAL / INDUSTRIAL zoning on MAIN ST (the border between Otay Mesa SD and Chula Vista) and the immediate bayfront (an area where no housing of any kind exists). Santee's zoning is mixed-use nearly everywhere except the planned communities such as "Riverwalk" (prev. mentioned on this thread) and Sky Ranch. The two cities are competely different animals.

There is no "average" Del Cerro. ALL of Del Cerro is SUPERIOR in every way to the rest of its zip code 92120. (Allied Gardens has COMM/IND zoning NOT mixed with residential which is preferable to Santee.) Russell compared Sky Ranch to Del Cerro. There is no comparison between the two, in HH income, per capita income, home values or educational levels. IMHO, Del Cerro has superior construction, floor plans, views and lots compared to Santee, is more conveniently located and has a milder climate. Del Cerro wins ALL CONTESTS HANDS DOWN over Sky Ranch. This can't be fixed.

The zoning or lack thereof is a major player in the desirability of a community, IMO.

Submitted by an on June 16, 2010 - 12:02am.

bearishgurl wrote:

There is no "average" Del Cerro. ALL of Del Cerro is SUPERIOR in every way to the rest of its zip code 92120. (Allied Gardens has COMM/IND zoning NOT mixed with residential which is preferable to Santee.) Russell compared Sky Ranch to Del Cerro. There is no comparison between the two, in HH income, per capita income, home values or educational levels. IMHO, Del Cerro has superior construction, floor plans, views and lots compared to Santee and is more conveniently located and has a milder climate. DC wins ALL CONTESTS HANDS DOWN over Sky Ranch. This can't be fixed.

The zoning or lack thereof is a major player in the desirability of a community, IMO.


I see that you constantly jump back and forth between DC vs Santee and DC vs Sky Ranch, depending on which fits your argument. How about comparing DC HH income , per capita income, home values, and education level to Sky Ranch? Why don't you say DC has superior construction, floor plans, views and lots compared to Sky Ranch? We all know and agree Sky Ranch is not your average Santee. Why not leave your average Santee out of the comparison and compare it to just Sky Ranch. If you're bringing average Santee into comparison, you should also bring in average Allied Garden when compare to Del Cerro and average Chula Vista as well.

BTW, nothing price can't fix. Tell me, how much would a 4100 sq-ft on 1/3+acre with a view goes for in DC?

Submitted by santeeman on June 16, 2010 - 8:16am.

Del Cerro has much OLDER housing stock.

Submitted by sdcellar on June 16, 2010 - 9:21am.

santeeman, um, compared to Sky Ranch, sure.

To answer AN's question, over a million bucks.

Also, SRO, never meant to suggest you couldn't be a homeowner as well. In homebuilder parlance, I believe you'd be referred to as a VIP.

Submitted by NotCranky on June 16, 2010 - 9:34am.

AN wrote:
bearishgurl wrote:

There is no "average" Del Cerro. ALL of Del Cerro is SUPERIOR in every way to the rest of its zip code 92120. (Allied Gardens has COMM/IND zoning NOT mixed with residential which is preferable to Santee.) Russell compared Sky Ranch to Del Cerro. There is no comparison between the two, in HH income, per capita income, home values or educational levels. IMHO, Del Cerro has superior construction, floor plans, views and lots compared to Santee and is more conveniently located and has a milder climate. DC wins ALL CONTESTS HANDS DOWN over Sky Ranch. This can't be fixed.

The zoning or lack thereof is a major player in the desirability of a community, IMO.


I see that you constantly jump back and forth between DC vs Santee and DC vs Sky Ranch, depending on which fits your argument. How about comparing DC HH income , per capita income, home values, and education level to Sky Ranch? Why don't you say DC has superior construction, floor plans, views and lots compared to Sky Ranch? We all know and agree Sky Ranch is not your average Santee. Why not leave your average Santee out of the comparison and compare it to just Sky Ranch. If you're bringing average Santee into comparison, you should also bring in average Allied Garden when compare to Del Cerro and average Chula Vista as well.

BTW, nothing price can't fix. Tell me, how much would a 4100 sq-ft on 1/3+acre with a view goes

AN gets it. We are talking about substitution not the overall community. That seems clear? Why is it inconceivable that Santee can now and in the future,have increasing number pockets of quality/value compared to SOME HOMES in ALL OF DEL CERRO and improve for housing stock and quality of life, on the whole, inclusive of those pockets?

Del Cerro is not uniformly, large amazing, problem free houses on great lots. Like I said, same Southern California ... and please don't even try with the "closer to the beach and La Jolla, closer to God stuff". Not everybody cares to the point where those are significant factors(If you actually can live in a beach front house in La Jolla, and want to, that's different).

Bearish girl, you defended Clairmont which has many below average houses, is stuck between Linda Vista an actual landfill dump,light industrial/ industrial supply, a million commuters, an airport,borderline ghetto apartments, inner city like high schools, dingy strip malls,sleaze bars, car lots and a heck of a lot of density including transient and semi-transient people. It's the same argument. Yes, some place in Clairmont could still be a better substitution for other places for some people,including Del Cerro, so could Santee.

BTW,I wasn't aware that there was a large quantity of un-zoned properties in Santee. Do you have a list or something like that? Those shoddy looking industrial places in Santee and Lakeside provide invaluable service to the region and yours truly BTW. I love them.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 16, 2010 - 9:56am.

AN wrote:
I see that you constantly jump back and forth between DC vs Santee and DC vs Sky Ranch, depending on which fits your argument. How about comparing DC HH income , per capita income, home values, and education level to Sky Ranch? Why don't you say DC has superior construction, floor plans, views and lots compared to Sky Ranch? We all know and agree Sky Ranch is not your average Santee. Why not leave your average Santee out of the comparison and compare it to just Sky Ranch. If you're bringing average Santee into comparison, you should also bring in average Allied Garden when compare to Del Cerro and average Chula Vista as well.

BTW, nothing price can't fix. Tell me, how much would a 4100 sq-ft on 1/3+acre with a view goes for in DC?

AN, this is another one of your circular arguments based upon lack of knowledge of neighborhood housing stock, environment and demographics. I have lived in SD County for 35 years which may be older than your actual age. I moved here as an adult and KNOW what I'm talking about. I AM comparing DC and SR, side by side. These were the comparisons Russell and PKMAN made. I didn’t choose the communities.

I don't think there are any census-tract maps yet for Sky Ranch because it is too new and the 2010 census is currently in progress. I would have no way of knowing what the median HH income is out there, but I can assure you it is NOT $168,137, like that of the subject census tract of RDR, which is comparably priced. Most HH's with that income would NOT choose to purchase in SR, when they have many options to choose from in SD County.

RDR Chula Vista is VERY attractive to mgrs. of Mexican maquiladoras and other bi-national executives as it is only 8 mi. from the border.

Sky Ranch consists only of tract homes. DC has both tracts and custom homes designed by some very well-known architects. I have no idea how many (if any) homes in DC are >4100 sf. but several would be situated on 1/3+ AC lots. NONE OF THIS MATTERS, really, because size has little to do with value. LOCATION and unobstructed views HAVE EVERYTHING to do with value in CA coastal counties. DC WINS in this dept.

If you're going to compare median incomes, you can do it by zip code or City. Santee has ONE zip code and San Marcos has ONE zip code and Chula Vista has FIVE zip codes. The fairer way is by zip code but I don't mind if you want to compare by City (for 2006):

From: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/...

Chula Vista $60,188
Santee $67,376
San Marcos $67,719

Found this Chula Vista breakdown of median HH incomes on http://www.brainyzip.com/
but not sure how current it is.

91910 $49,514
91911 $40,276
91913 $66,968
91914 $68,771
91915 $76,346

Del Cerro demographics: http://www.zillow.com/local-info/CA-San-...

Highlights and implications:
Pop. 2324 (LOW density)
19.1% over the age of 70 (largest demographic – wealth and home equity)
Median age is 44
Median income is $64,238

Here’s more info on Del Cerro by a local agent associated with a very well-established RE Broker there.

http://homes.point2.com/Neighborhood/US/...

Here’s some of her pics of the views in DC, which are unobstructed. Sky Ranch HAS to be suffering from a brown layer below it on occasion because Santee is "socked in." I've been out there when the air was thick and mustard-colored, similar to San Bernardino.

See: http://homes.point2.com/Neighborhood/US/...

This website has the median income of the entire zip of 92120 at $71,414. This sounds right because 43.5% of Del Cerro’s pop. is over the age of 50 and most probably do not work. Many are living off pensions (many with large academic [PERS] pensions), investments and OASDI. Allied Gardens ('50's tracts) and “Princess Del Cerro” ('60’s & '70’s tracts facing south and east), consist more of working families. These properties are CHEAPER than DC but more of them are probably encumbered. DC’s small pop. is certainly wealthier than the rest of its zip code due to having home equity and being more well-established. Allied Gardens also has mixed use sts. and multi-family units making it less desirable than DC.

http://homes.point2.com/Neighborhood/US/...

AN, why don't you find some Del Cerro listings yourself to compare with Sky Ranch? Even though the orig. construction there is 40-50 yrs. old, they are consistently uniform in price. Del Cerro DOESN'T look directly over COMM'L/IND areas, as Sky Ranch does. DC has GREAT elem. schools w/i walking distance. Sky Ranch is a drive in/out community and only has new models to choose from on four new tracts. We don’t yet know how this community will fare in the future. There are no comps up there to justify the prices of this particular tract.

Example: Otay Ranch Chula Vista was ALSO priced new (most bet. 2003 and 2005) well above the prevailing prices for the area, as Sky Ranch now is. Even though Otay Ranch was given its own zip code (Sky Ranch bears Santee’s zip code) some tracts there are now 46% REOs, NOT INCLUDING “shadow inventory.”

I maintain that it is "apples to oranges" to compare a brand new outlying community to a well-established urban community. In other words, the comparison is NOT "like to like."

In CA coastal counties, where long-term property value is heavily dependent on location, it is risky to buy into tracts which have no sales comps to support the asking prices, IMHO.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 16, 2010 - 11:19am.

Sounds like someone is going Schahrzad on us.

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 16, 2010 - 11:54am.

sdrealtor wrote:
Sounds like someone is going Schahrzad on us.

In reference to Schahrzad, is this an insult or a compliment??
http://www.sandiegohousingforecast.com/a...

If you're refering to me, sdr, I wouldn't buy in Del Cerro, San Marcos OR Santee and I'm NOT a "numbers cruncher" (except when it comes to "good faith estimates" and "proposed settlement stmts") - LOL! Not too much gets by me as I've got the glasses and magnifying glass to go with them.

Just realistically comparing here what I percieve other Piggs are trying to say is "equal" :)

Submitted by outtamojo on June 16, 2010 - 11:52am.

Huh? San Marco has ONE zipcode?

Submitted by NotCranky on June 16, 2010 - 12:15pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
Sounds like someone is going Schahrzad on us.

Sounds like someone is contemplating going sdrealtor?

Submitted by sdcellar on June 16, 2010 - 12:41pm.

I'm not even sure I understand what people don't understand. When evaluating property, you have to consider both location and the actual pile of sticks itself, with the general consensus being that location is the single most important factor. A one-mile difference can make all the difference in the world. Hell, 50 feet can. Whoever said these houses were a good value simply because you get more sticks on more dirt couldn't be more wrong. They may indeed be a good value, but you must consider where the dirt is located.

The nutshell of this is Sky Ranch sounds like the best house in a less desirable neighborhood. Generally a concept that potential home buyers would consider carefully. What's so hard to accept about that?

Lest anyone think I'm picking on Santee, there are *plenty* of less desirable areas, but Santee sits where it sits on the San Diego County housing food chain. I'll even trust that it's better than what it was some number of years ago, but it is what it is and there's not much that's really going to change that.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 16, 2010 - 12:45pm.

It was a joke for longtimers referring to someone getting overzealous on a point and not willing to consider other points of views because one knows it all. Not necessarily an insult but not a compliement either. It is what is...

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 16, 2010 - 1:14pm.

Russell wrote:
AN gets it. We are talking about substitution not the overall community.

Russell, I personally don't think home buyers substitute their preferred area to shop in unless they are ONLY looking at new-construction developments. Did you read SRO's long rants? (S)he repeated over and over all the new developments (s)he shopped in before purchasing in SR but ALL THOSE AREAS (s)he mentioned were BRAND NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS! SRO DIDN'T EVER CONSIDER BUYING AN EXISTING HOME! (Or at least if (s)he did, (s)he didn't mention it here.)

The buyers I have worked with had a particular neighborhood in mind to buy in, usually due to relatives in the vicinity. None of them wanted to look at property out of that neighborhood or general area. If a property wasn't available to suit them, they waited week(s) or month(s) until one was.

Russell wrote:
Bearish girl, you defended Clairmont which has many below average houses, is stuck between Linda Vista an actual landfill dump,light industrial/ industrial supply, a million commuters, an airport,borderline ghetto apartments, inner city like high schools, dingy strip malls,sleaze bars, car lots and a heck of a lot of density including transient and semi-transient people. It's the same argument.

Russell, could it be that some of the negatives you're referring to here are actually in Kearny Mesa, Bay Park or Loma Portal or "upper Clairemont" (92123, 92110, or 92117). I don't think the 92111 zip (I was trying to sell Scarlett on in another thread) has all of these negatives within it and the "commuters" are actually on the 5 and 163, NOT traveling the surface streets.

Russell wrote:
BTW,I wasn't aware that there was a large quantity of un-zoned properties in Santee. Do you have a list or something like that?

I don't have a "list" per se, but I have worked with land-use attorneys for years. Certain parts of SD County are "mixed use" due to lack of earlier zoning or were zoned that way originally. I can see why Santee's mayors have been advocating better zoning since its incorporation. This is an uphill battle because once an area's land-uses are entrenched, either by zoning or default, the uses within it become "grandfathered." For instance, an "egg ranch" or "dog kennel" that has been allowed to operate for the last 50 years cannot suddenly be run out of the area because a nearby new development's residents don't like the smell or barking. Santee, Lakeside, San Marcos and Spring Valley are four areas that I am familiar with that suffer from "grandfathered" mixed land use. As older business owners die or sell their land, it will mostly likely be re-zoned to comport with newer uses. It's a long, slow process, though.

Russell wrote:
Those shoddy looking industrial places in Santee and Lakeside provide invaluable service to the region and yours truly BTW. I love them.

Yes, they do, Russell. I completely agree. I visit Allied Gardens on occasion to get repairs on certain things that cannot be repaired anywhere else :)

Submitted by bearishgurl on June 16, 2010 - 1:20pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
It was a joke for longtimers referring to someone getting overzealous on a point and not willing to consider other points of views because one knows it all. Not necessarily an insult but not a compliement either. It is what is...

sdr, "Schahrzad's" bio makes her sound like a guru and pretty intelligent - LOL! Havent't had a chance to peruse her website yet to determine if she's "overzealous." This is now on my low-priority "to-do" list :)

Submitted by NotCranky on June 16, 2010 - 1:39pm.

bearishgurl wrote:
Russell wrote:
AN gets it. We are talking about substitution not the overall community.

Russell, I personally don't think home buyers substitute their preferred area to shop in unless they are ONLY looking at new-construction developments. Did you read SRO's long rants? (S)he repeated over and over all the new developments (s)he shopped in before purchasing in SR but ALL THOSE AREAS (s)he mentioned were BRAND NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS! SRO DIDN'T EVER CONSIDER BUYING AN EXISTING HOME! (Or at least if (s)he did, (s)he didn't mention it here.)

The buyers I have worked with had a particular neighborhood in mind to buy in, usually due to relatives in the vicinity. None of them wanted to look at property out of that neighborhood or general area. If a property wasn't available to suit them, they waited week(s) or month(s) until one was.

Russell wrote:
Bearish girl, you defended Clairmont which has many below average houses, is stuck between Linda Vista an actual landfill dump,light industrial/ industrial supply, a million commuters, an airport,borderline ghetto apartments, inner city like high schools, dingy strip malls,sleaze bars, car lots and a heck of a lot of density including transient and semi-transient people. It's the same argument.

Russell, could it be that some of the negatives you're referring to here are actually in Kearny Mesa, Bay Park or Loma Portal or "upper Clairemont" (92123, 92110, or 92117). I don't think the 92111 zip (I was trying to sell Scarlett on in another thread) has all of these negatives within it and the "commuters" are actually on the 5 and 163, NOT traveling the surface streets.

Russell wrote:
BTW,I wasn't aware that there was a large quantity of un-zoned properties in Santee. Do you have a list or something like that?

I don't have a "list" per se, but I have worked with land-use attorneys for years. Certain parts of SD County are "mixed use" due to lack of earlier zoning or were zoned that way originally. I can see why Santee's mayors have been advocating better zoning since its incorporation. This is an uphill battle because once an area's land-uses are entrenched, either by zoning or default, the uses within it become "grandfathered." For instance, an "egg ranch" or "dog kennel" that has been allowed to operate for the last 50 years cannot suddenly be run out of the area because a nearby new development's residents don't like the smell or barking. Santee, Lakeside, San Marcos and Spring Valley are four areas that I am familiar with that suffer from "grandfathered" mixed land use. As older business owners die or sell their land, it will mostly likely be re-zoned to comport with newer uses. It's a long, slow process, though.

Russell wrote:
Those shoddy looking industrial places in Santee and Lakeside provide invaluable service to the region and yours truly BTW. I love them.

Yes, they do, Russell. I completely agree. I visit Allied Gardens on occasion to get repairs on certain things that cannot be repaired anywhere else :)

Bearishgirl, I am not substituting communities I am accomodating value judgements and judgements of value on properties in our part of southern California.

I said Clairmont was surrounded by these negatives not that they are all in each zip,(many are).

Mixed use types,commercial in transition, these are tools to allow/direct use. It may not be what you consider desirable zoning/use controls.I know they want some adjustment to development types. As you know, it can be a litigious and drawn out process to "plan" change. I think that since it is on the table is creates a greater likely hood that Santee will evolve in a direction more in keeping with desirable suburban areas rather than less. Not sure, of course.

Thanks for the discussion.Have a good day.

Submitted by sdrealtor on June 16, 2010 - 3:38pm.

bg
She is intelligent, no question about that but that wasnt what I was referring to. She was a longtime poster on this site before being banned.

To clarify, my point was because I dont like the kind of blanket statements you are making about certain communities (just as you did not like the ones about Chula Vista). I'm sure there are some wonderful properties in Santee that would be far preferable to others in Del Cerro. Its simple not accurate to say DC > Santee in every case. Even though neighborhood factors are very important every house stands on its own merits. Most importantly every home is castle to someone. Its all perspective.

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