Scaredy shopping for real estate

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 14, 2019 - 5:05pm

In idyllwild ca.

Actually pondering relocating up there.

Retirement-tourist-vacation type mountain town.

Old cabins.

Anyone have any advice on buying mountain cabins?

Submitted by burghMan on October 14, 2019 - 6:04pm.

I know that the road closures have hit local business up there pretty hard.

Has it affected real estate prices?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 14, 2019 - 7:04pm.

burghMan wrote:
I know that the road closures have hit local business up there pretty hard.

Has it affected real estate prices?

Apparently not according to some guys I work with up there.

300$ sq ft for some places, small lots

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 14, 2019 - 8:23pm.

isn't that redneck country?
i did go camping up there because friends wanted to go. But i would not wish or plan to go up there on my own.

Go to a coastal community, or Sante Fe, NM.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 14, 2019 - 8:26pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
isn't that redneck country?
i did go camping up there because friends wanted to go. But i would not wish or plan to go up there on my own.

Go to a coastal community, or Sante Fe, NM.

No. Hippie arts camp hiking town

Submitted by temeculaguy on October 14, 2019 - 11:03pm.

While I've enjoyed a few pass through visits there I do not recommend it for real estate. Aecitia used to post here and she was shopping a vacation home there about 8 years ago, ultimately buying in Arrowhead. The problem with Idyllwild is that it lacks a body of water or snow skiing and the town is tiny and can be seen in an hour or two. For San Diegans it's like Julian without the Pie or Mt. Laguna. If it floats your boat, great! But as an investment it is limited. With 3,800 people (which includes neighboring pine cove) it is about the size of a big high school and no consistent tourism draw, no high school at all and part of the Hemet school district, not a big real estate plus. It's 89% white, so diversity is not it's strong suit. The roads went to hell this last winter and still aren't fixed so retirement is the only real option. The lack of shopping and dining are a big negative.

It's at best a fun weekend in So Cal that feels like you are in the smokey mountains, far from any people. In 20 years it will likely be the same. From an R/E perspective, nobody with a job or kids can buy your house and currently second homes have deductabilty issues so I rate it as a "Sell."

I just got back from an East coast vacation, and between a few days in Boston and a few in NYC we spent a few wonderful days in Mystic, Connecticut as well as Madison County, CT. Also some places in Rhode Island, admittedly I had my redfin app going at every place because it was the 1st week of October and the leaves were turning and the weather was ideal. But it's like being married to a great woman and seeing a hot chick walk by who gives you a look, you don't leave your wife because that hot chick is crazy and looking good is just a fraction of what makes a great relationship. You just nod back and keep going because everything you need, you already have. You live in wine country scaredy, Idyllwild is just a one night stand that you will regret.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 15, 2019 - 7:08am.

We go once a month, maybe more to hike and volunteer as fire lookouts. We sleep up on tahquitz peak.

The temecula-idyllwild road didnt wash out, and lots of young fit people from SD hike up to the fire tower. In fact, more people from SD Tthan the inland empire. Hell, I'd say I've registered more people visiting from Seattle than the IE.

Wife likes it there. Just talking about a cabin made her happy.

I wouldve expected the Cranston fire last year and the road washouts to crater real estate but it's still high.

Tg, some very good points.

Main reason I'm truly hesitant aside from high pricing is the possibility the whole town is engulfed in flames and we roast to death. Yes, I am a scaredyat but this is a possibility. I am ok with dying but definitely opposed to death by fire.

Still for a good deal I'd take that risk.

Say, 60 % off all cash?

Submitted by Hobie on October 15, 2019 - 7:11am.

Wouldn't the tourists in the summer be a pain? Not on the trail, but in town clogging roads near your place.

But since you are up there that much, go for it!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 15, 2019 - 7:25am.

Maybe we could make $ off tourism somehow?

There have been about 2,000 people who hiked south ridge or devils slide up to tahquitz peak this year, most are patagonia clad gorgeous young people from SD. But I doubt they're cabin shopping.

Being outdoorsy is trendy.

https://timeforahike.com/tahquitz-peak-v...

View to sd. Now all the trees r gone, from the cranston fire. If there were low fire risk, I think I could be relaxed there. I've met a bunch of retired people living up there who tramp around the mountains all day and like it.

Submitted by burghMan on October 15, 2019 - 7:41am.

Idyllwild is world famous for rock climbing and the parking lot at Humber Park fills up every weekend with climbers. There might be some market for a hostel of sorts catering to climbers. But be aware that climbers in general are cheapskates when it comes to lodging.

Idylwild is nice for a weekend getaway if you live in So Cal, but for full time retirement I'd say there are many other options in California and elsewhere that are nicer and cheaper.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 15, 2019 - 7:57am.

burghMan wrote:
Idyllwild is world famous for rock climbing and the parking lot at Humber Park fills up every weekend with climbers. There might be some market for a hostel of sorts catering to climbers. But be aware that climbers in general are cheapskates when it comes to lodging.

Idylwild is nice for a weekend getaway if you live in So Cal, but for full time retirement I'd say there are many other options in California and elsewhere that are nicer and cheaper.

I think I'd like having 5 dirty climbers crash on my floor for $7 a night each but not sure if my wife would go for it.

Submitted by burghMan on October 15, 2019 - 9:14am.

There's quite a few Idyllwild residents on the MountainProject climbing forums. You could probably get some good info there:

https://www.mountainproject.com/forum/10...

Tell them you are looking for "beta" on real estate and you'll sound like you belong ;-)

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 15, 2019 - 10:14am.

Funny.

I guess the more responsible thing to do would be to pay down our mortgage, but my wife finds that rather dull...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 15, 2019 - 11:30am.

Wow. I have to reassess idylwild.

I have friends from LA who took early retirement to temecula. They love to drive to idylwild. I found that odd because as I get older, I drive far only reluctantly. I don’t find driving leisurely at all.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 15, 2019 - 11:36am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Wow. I have to reassess idylwild.

I have friends from LA who took early retirement to temecula. They love to drive to idylwild. I found that odd because as I get older, I drive far only reluctantly. I don’t find driving leisurely at all.

I was driving down the hill slightly over the speed limit and some guy behind me was honking and generally going berserk. I pulled over at first clearing and he gave me the finger.

I do hope he is injured in a solo fiery wreck.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 15, 2019 - 12:46pm.

That wasn’t me. I am a very polite driver. I pull to the left to let people merge into the right. I anticipate what people will do and move out of the way.

I have to do long drives for real estate reasons. But I hate driving. I would be very happy with autonomous vehicles.

I am with you scaredy. aggressive drivers will have their comeuppance.

Submitted by temeculaguy on October 15, 2019 - 11:23pm.

I may have misunderstood, I thought you wanted to sell your wine country house and retire to Idyllwild. If you just want a cabin, that's a leisure decision like an RV or a boat. Do what makes you happy if you have the means it's likely a better decision than either a boat or an RV.

Climbers and day trippers will barely sustain a business. 2,000 hikers a year doesn't compare to your current digs. In fact you are missing out on not turning your place into a B&B once the kids move to college.

Temecula gets 2.7 million tourists a year. Napa/Sonoma gets 3.5 mil tourists a year. But 2.000 people hiked a spot in Idylwild? You are standing on a pile of hundred dollar bills and thinking of moving to a pile of pennies. I'm in a tract home but you are on land within the vineyards, there is opportunity right under your nose. I get it, you are a bit eccentric, but don't for a minute think lots of other people want to spend their weekends volunteering as fire scouts. Good for you. Nobody gets rich rescuing cats, but my wife thinks that would be a great life. Luckily she has me to encourage her to keep her day job and she can have that as a hobby if she wants as long as it doesn't involve the house. But it's not an investment or a vocation, it's a hobby/charity/volunteer opportunity.

Let it be your hobby, but you didn't find gold. So buy a weekend home if you like but head to head, Temecula real estate will beat Idyllwild real estate over time for lots of reasons. I still think Arrowhead/Big Bear represent a better investment because it gets year round tourism, Idyllwild practically closes when it snows, it doesn't capitalize on it like the other areas.

Submitted by burghMan on October 16, 2019 - 7:30am.

temeculaguy wrote:
I may have misunderstood, I thought you wanted to sell your wine country house and retire to Idyllwild. If you just want a cabin, that's a leisure decision like an RV or a boat. Do what makes you happy if you have the means it's likely a better decision than either a boat or an RV.

Climbers and day trippers will barely sustain a business. 2,000 hikers a year doesn't compare to your current digs. In fact you are missing out on not turning your place into a B&B once the kids move to college.

Temecula gets 2.7 million tourists a year. Napa/Sonoma gets 3.5 mil tourists a year. But 2.000 people hiked a spot in Idylwild? You are standing on a pile of hundred dollar bills and thinking of moving to a pile of pennies. I'm in a tract home but you are on land within the vineyards, there is opportunity right under your nose. I get it, you are a bit eccentric, but don't for a minute think lots of other people want to spend their weekends volunteering as fire scouts. Good for you. Nobody gets rich rescuing cats, but my wife thinks that would be a great life. Luckily she has me to encourage her to keep her day job and she can have that as a hobby if she wants as long as it doesn't involve the house. But it's not an investment or a vocation, it's a hobby/charity/volunteer opportunity.

Let it be your hobby, but you didn't find gold. So buy a weekend home if you like but head to head, Temecula real estate will beat Idyllwild real estate over time for lots of reasons. I still think Arrowhead/Big Bear represent a better investment because it gets year round tourism, Idyllwild practically closes when it snows, it doesn't capitalize on it like the other areas.

I don't have the data but I'd easily bet that Idyllwild gets more than 2000 visitors/year. Just, between myself and a few climbing buddies I could probably account for nearly 100 visitors last year.

But it's true that the number of visitors to Idyllwild is probably a fraction of Temecula's number and the demographics and spending habits are different. Many hikers don't even stop at restaurants and there are no tour busses full of wine guzzling cougars.

Of course the economies of Arrowhead/Big Bear are much bigger, but that's already priced into real estate and businesses.

I don't think Mr. scardey actually believes he could make a lucrative living in Idyllwild. Although as an established lawyer that's willing to travel occasionally, it could be a place to enjoy a balanced lifestyle.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 16, 2019 - 8:32am.

I think at the end of the day, the best part is really just fantasizing about real estate with your wife in a mountain city bakery after camping with giant cups of coffee and scones.

Real estate magazines, at the right moment, are proven aphrodisiacs. That's science, people

Looking toward the future here at low altitude, less giddy, I feel now that the future of the san jacinto forest in 20 years will probably be bad bad bad due to global warming.

Increasing dryness and higher temps, insect infestations killing weaker trees, fires. Without a forest, the place will become death valley mountain ranges...

If I believed there would likely be a lush, healthy forest up there in my old age, I'd be much more confident about putting down some money for a home, whether vacation or relocation. It definitely feels and looks different up there than 10 years ago.

Although ...while we were in the bakery we saw a team of many artsy people sketching measuring and snapping pics. Fox network people, they said, some new idyllwild show in the works...

Still, the future is in my eyes bleak, for idyllwild, and very coastal mansions. I forgot that due to temporary euphoria. Could be cool to live on a death valley denuded san jac. Hill, but that's more like a near ghost town..

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 16, 2019 - 8:38am.

I agree, scaredy should build a couple of detached guest houses or attached extension to his house — as much as allowed by local planning. He would make good money running an airbnb in wine country. I have a friend of a friend doing that in a big house in San Francisco.

I am surprised how many people visit temecula because I don’t think of temecula as a tourist destination. I have friends in OC/LA who love going wine tasting. I have nit yet driven up from San Diego to join them.

Submitted by flyer on October 16, 2019 - 9:25am.

Scaredy, lots of beautiful mountain towns around the world. We've visited many over the years, and it's a vacation idea you might want to consider.

We bought in Tahoe years ago (long before the tech giants arrived) and the kids loved our time there when they were growing up. Great memories, and still have family gatherings there.

Even though we prefer being close (glad we're a few miles from Del Mar with the coastal issues the state is facing) to the ocean, the ambience of mountain towns can't be denied.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 16, 2019 - 10:42am.

Investing for climate change real estate opportunities now seems maybe prudent.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 16, 2019 - 11:48am.

I think you would enjoy building a cabin like a danish allotment hut.
https://youtu.be/UkFbkHupjQ0

Or a tea house overlooking wine country. No need to buy. Use the land you already have.
https://youtu.be/rHgfZw68l1U

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 16, 2019 - 11:50am.

I'm starting to feel like the main factor and question for most decisions is , will it be fun longterm?

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