San Diego homeless, mercifully, do not live very long

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Submitted by phaster on January 10, 2019 - 8:09am

skimming the morning news read

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San Diego homeless, mercifully, do not live very long

...the homeless situation is very unfair both to homeowners and the homeless at the same time, as well as to businesses. Why should property owners be forced to allow trespassing on beaches and in canyons, plus be responsible for cleanup? Redevelopment has thousands of costs like this hidden from the public.

...I do not expect San Diego to be able to fix its homeless problem, and I hope and wish to be proven wrong. For 30 years the theme has been, “Now we finally have the solution!” The Homeless Outreach Team does not help the homeless, it “rotates” them. Homelessness is a rotation that begins when your boss at work files for bankruptcy. Then you can’t find a job that pays enough money to afford rent.

...I have lived in Hillcrest for 15 years, and it is a disgusting place to live now (“Hillcrest: gayborhood or ghetto?,” Cover Stories, January 2). I wake up each morning to human shit on my sidewalk and trash dumped onto the hood of my car. Rent has skyrocketed and the City Council had done nothing to make changes. I have written and called both Todd Gloria and Chris Ward about the need to clean up Hillcrest. No action has been taken. People are moving out in droves.

www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019/jan/09/...

and

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Morning Report: City Spending on Homeless Is Up Big, Results Not So Hot

www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/news/morn...

sifting the hard numbers out of news articles tells me for 2019 San Diego "real estate" is heading for a fall because politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who represent the district) are not addressing the problems!!! or said another way seems its willful ignorance by political leadership

www.TinyURL.com/2019SDRE

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...paper by Julie Irwin and some other colleagues who wrote a paper on this idea of willful ignorance. And the idea was that you had a product and you had access to a whole bunch of different pieces of information. And one of them was the labor conditions or the environmental conditions. And the question was do people actually ask for this information? And you can look at it if you want, but you could decide not to look at it. And it turns out people didn't want to look at that information because they didn't really want to be confronted with this kind of conflict between their beliefs and, you know, what they really wanted. And they found this effect was stronger for people who cared more about labor issues, who cared more about environmental issues.

...The folks who care the most about ethics might be most willing to turn a blind eye to unethical business practices because they know if they found out about those practices, they would feel obliged to do something about it.

www.npr.org/2017/04/24/525117474/boycott...

thoughts???

Submitted by spdrun on January 10, 2019 - 1:58pm.

Thoughts?

Self-fixing problem. Gentrification and pricing people out of the market lead to homelessness. Now, the gentrifiers are feeling a pricing pinch due to the homelessness problem that they in part created.

Karma's a stone bitch.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 10, 2019 - 3:36pm.

Suburbs

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 11, 2019 - 12:15am.

spdrun wrote:
Thoughts?

Self-fixing problem. Gentrification and pricing people out of the market lead to homelessness. Now, the gentrifiers are feeling a pricing pinch due to the homelessness problem that they in part created.

Karma's a stone bitch.

It's not gentrification. People who can't afford rent in Hilcrest can always move to cheaper areas. They may not like it but it's a workable option.

It's drugs and mental illness. We have a moral crisis in America. Stephen Colbert said 1/12th the population has a felony conviction. Not counting all the other crimes and dysfunction.

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 9:05am.

Yeah. We have a fuckin' moral crisis, but it's not the PEOPLE being immoral. It's a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments using petty fines instead of taxes to raise revenue.

Set speed limits arbitrarily low. Go for a fishing expedition when people who are already poor are pulled over. Stick them with $2000 of fines which they can't pay. Crack in the tail light? Cha-ching! Burned out headlight? Cha-ching!

Take their license. When they're pulled over again, confiscate their car and jail them for a while. Congrats! They've just lost their job and are unable to get to work because public transportation stinks in the USA.

Show up at their house. Arrest them for having a run-down property. When they can't pay the fine, stick them with contempt-of-court charges. When they turn to drugs to escape their shitty reality, bust them for felony possession, jail them, take their voting rights.

Case will never see a jury that could mitigate punishment, either -- excessive sentences tend to be used by prosecutors to bully people into accepting "time served" and a felony record. I'd suspect that 90% of felons are made by the American system, not born with criminal tendencies.

When I look at what happened in places like Ferguson, MO, I think that the rioters didn't go far enough. Their anger was justified and then some. Yellow vest protests combined with some public floggings would have been about right.

I don't like Trump, but I see him as a catalyst. Make voters so angry that they elect more left/less authoritarian candidates on the local, state, and Congressional level who support things like sentencing reform, decriminalization of victimless crimes, and expanding the social/health safety net.

Submitted by barnaby33 on January 11, 2019 - 9:13am.

Can you find an example in history where pissed off voters turned left, before a hard right turn?
Josh

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 9:27am.

The US has ALREADY been "hard right" since the time of Ronald "Alzheimer" Reagan (may his memory rot in hell). We've tried being hard-right by developed-world standards, and this is failing a lot of people.

If you're trying to make a comparison to Nazi Germany, the US is not equivalent.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 11, 2019 - 10:21am.

Good points spd. But kinder glentler will not work in America. Our badass cowboy mentality is incompatible with the 21st century.

Drugs and dysfunction are everywhere. Combine that with a hyper sports and military culture. We are really fucked up people, yet we like to think we are the greatest. And you can’t say otherwise else you get demonized for not being patriotic.

Anyway, I have given up on America as an aggregate. Landlords are responsible to themselves and maximizing their shareholder value. They should not be expected to house whackjobs who can’t pay rent.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 11, 2019 - 10:24am.

Sounds very conservative LOL.

Submitted by NeetaT on January 11, 2019 - 10:57am.

OK, new rule, no public money for the homeless crises. There is plenty of private money. If you want to give, give. Our society is rife with social programs that drain the wallets of everyone from the super rich to the lower middle class.

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 2:59pm.

What if it's cheaper to give them a place to live than to deal with ER visits, illness due to human excrement on the streets, and incarceration? Use public money to get them clean, put them in job training, and get them the mental health aid that they need, if they need it.

Submitted by njtosd on January 11, 2019 - 6:13pm.

This case has contributed a lot to the distribution of homeless people, I believe, especially the LA tent city. . https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes...

Not surprising to see that spdrun has continued on his course of accelerating bitterness.

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 11:10pm.

The problem isn't that I'm bitter. The problem is that other people aren't bitter enough about a system that costs huge amount of taxpayer money and ruins lives :(

Balzac once wrote that it's equally illegal for a rich man and a poor man to beg for food or sleep on the street. If the homeless don't have a place to sleep, how is citing them or fining them really going to help things? I guess jail will give them a bed for the night, but it's an expensive and inhumane way of doing things vs building more shelter space.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 12, 2019 - 9:52am.

spdrun wrote:
The problem isn't that I'm bitter. The problem is that other people aren't bitter enough about a system that costs huge amount of taxpayer money and ruins lives :(

I’m not bitter. Bitterness is self destructive.
One just need to open ones eyes to see the truth. However, the people most affected by bad policies delude themselves that they are being served.

I see clearly that on individual level people are the source of their own problems. But on a societal level, we are not providing solutions. “Just say no” ain’t working.

Substance addiction will only get worse, not better. If we want solutions, we just need to look at societies that do a better job dealing with family dysfunction and drugs. But we’re stubborn and badasses so we refuse to learn. It’s easier to look away and blame Mexicans for our own moral failings.

Submitted by phaster on January 13, 2019 - 8:15pm.

spdrun wrote:
Yeah. We have a fuckin' moral crisis, but it's not the PEOPLE being immoral. It's a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments...

we are where we are because of past political leadership decisions which were made by "career politicians" w/ far too little mental "numbers" horsepower and only having a "balls and honesty factor" of 0.01%,... how else to explain why BIG PROBLEMS came about AND remain to be addressed?

www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning

for example local politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who actively sought the position to represent the downtown area where there is a large "homeless" problem),... as various local news reports indicate they are not addressing (i.e. in denial) of various big issues (which should be job#1 for anyone who who actively sought the position leadership role) so the end result is, their council district has been lead up a creek w/ out a paddle!

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019...

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/n...

what's the answer? perhaps more numbers type guys/gals (i.e. someone w/ at least a CPA background) in politics to actually help the "homeless"

https://moorlachupdate.com/2018/11/08/mo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhy3zI3wvAo

one last thought,... since california mandated more women on the boards

Quote:

California Mandates More Women On Corporate Boards

Legislators in California passed a bill recently that would require publicly-traded companies headquartered in the state to place at least one woman on their board by the end of 2019.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillgriffin...

perhaps there should be a proposition that requires that politicians take and pass a basic math and economics course before being sworn into office

Submitted by spdrun on January 12, 2019 - 10:30am.

I’m not bitter. Bitterness is self destructive.

Bitterness got Trump elected, which may not be such a bad thing. Trump is a rightist authoritarian asshole, and he has generated a lot of anger and backlash. If the backlash consists of leftist candidates with looser views on "law, order, God, and patriotism" coming into office, this could be a great thing. End the wars on drugs, stop fighting in foreign wars that we have no hope of winning, spend money on lifting people up, not throwing them in prison.

Education, infrastructure, public health care. Live and let live. Decriminalize personal use of drugs. Lower the drinking age to 18. Abolish capital punishment. Reform criminal sentencing laws. Make it 1975 again, politically speaking.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 12, 2019 - 2:08pm.

There is big contradiction in American life. People are all for individual responsibility until it’s comes to their own. Plus Americans would rather die than accept limp wristed liberal ideas.

But seriously, we have to ask ourselves why so many Americans do drugs to the point of homelessness.

Do you realize that the 1970s was a time of decay, especially urban decay. Going back to that won’t help NYC compete with Shanghai.

Trump voters and backlash aren’t the answer. We need rational thinking and not emotions. You know the Trump voters who are against the wars are the same morons who wanted to go kick ass, right? So what, chicken now?

Submitted by phaster on January 13, 2019 - 8:17pm.

www.hollywoodreporter.com wrote:

LA's Battle for Venice Beach: Homeless Surge Puts Hollywood's Progressive Ideals to the Test

...Los Angeles is grappling with a homeless epidemic. "It's the worst human catastrophe in America," says Andy Bales, a pastor who runs the Union Rescue Mission on Skid Row. Faced with a growing crisis, city leaders last year budgeted more than $100 million for affordable housing, addiction treatment, job placement and mental health services. And yet, as L.A.'s real estate prices soar, so does the city's homeless population.

..."There are actually [residents] advocating driving the homeless out of Venice — shipping them off somewhere, which is such a proto-fascist move,"

...Disagreements over the potential causes of the crimes have begun to factionalize Venice's neighborhoods.

...The most common refrain heard when discussing the cause of L.A.'s homeless crisis is soaring housing costs. But there are other forces at play in Venice and throughout the city involving various laws and ballot measures that date back more than a decade. A 2006 ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Jones v. City of Los Angeles required that law enforcement and city officials no longer enforce the ban on sleeping on sidewalks anywhere in the city until a sufficient amount of permanent supportive housing could be built. Further complicating matters were two state ballot measures that voters overwhelmingly approved in 2016 — Propositions 47 and 57 — which decriminalized certain felonies to misdemeanors in an effort to address the state's overburdened prison system.

After multiple tire slashings, one resident built a homemade deterrent system

Others have put up unpermitted planters to eat up sidewalk space

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/featur...

now the real life "hollywood" trailer,... homeless zombies coming to neighborhood near you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_conti...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 13, 2019 - 8:28pm.

We need CalExit to keep the druggies from migrating from other states. We should be able to deport them back home to their parents. Let’s only take care of the people born in California or those who have a minimum of 5 years residency.

Submitted by phaster on January 20, 2019 - 9:24am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
We need CalExit to keep the druggies from migrating from other states. We should be able to deport them back home to their parents. Let’s only take care of the people born in California or those who have a minimum of 5 years residency.

hummmm,....

according to the 2018 survey/study of homeless people, 74% became homeless in San Diego

(See p.24 of a PDF which did a survey on local "homeless")

www.rtfhsd.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/0...

this implies a great majority of the problems are local in nature?

in other words seems problems like substance addiction and the cumulative cockup of various political leadership decision(s) are local,... so a "CalExit" as you suggested does nothing to address to root cause of various problems which is,... human nature that is all too often corrupt and not all that smart

phaster wrote:
spdrun wrote:
Yeah. We have a fuckin' moral crisis, but it's not the PEOPLE being immoral. It's a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments...

we are where we are because of past political leadership decisions which were made by "career politicians" w/ far too little mental "numbers" horsepower and only having a "balls and honesty factor" of 0.01%,... how else to explain why BIG PROBLEMS came about AND remain to be addressed?

www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning

for example local politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who actively sought the position to represent the downtown area where there is a large "homeless" problem),... as various local news reports indicate they are not addressing (i.e. in denial) of various big issues (which should be job#1 for anyone who who actively sought the position leadership role) so the end result is, their council district has been lead up a creek w/ out a paddle!

https://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019...

https://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/n...

what's the answer? perhaps more numbers type guys/gals (i.e. someone w/ at least a CPA background) in politics to actually help the "homeless"

https://moorlachupdate.com/2018/11/08/mo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bhy3zI3wvAo

one last thought,... since california mandated more women on the boards

Quote:

California Mandates More Women On Corporate Boards

Legislators in California passed a bill recently that would require publicly-traded companies headquartered in the state to place at least one woman on their board by the end of 2019.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jillgriffin...

perhaps there should be a proposition that requires that politicians take and pass a basic math and economics course before being sworn into office

FYI here is something thats relevant to the issue (a news reporter based in LA that looks at the problem of substance addiction)

Quote:

The Roots of the Opioid Epidemic: A Conversation With Sam Quinones

https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2018...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 20, 2019 - 12:01pm.

The big cities attract people from other states, people who don’t have the wherewithal to make it in a competitive urban environment. The bright lights, big city and substance abuse overwhelm them.

What exactly is the threshold for “becoming homeless in San Diego”. People will come to San Diego, rent a place, then months later become homeless. I doubt they have many years of gainful employment and contribution to the economy.

I have compassion for the homeless, but...... the places where they come from should take them back. We will take care of our own native homeless; the non-Californian homeless should be deported back to their home states.

CalExit!!!

Submitted by gzz on January 20, 2019 - 1:14pm.

Flyer, in the 70s the Supreme Court stopped California from putting a long residency requirement on its extra-generous welfare programs.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 20, 2019 - 7:08pm.

That’s why we need CalExit. Homeless people come to our mild California weather and generous benefits by the thousands (not really that many in the scheme of things). I don’t think Californians are moving to Kentucky to become homeless.

What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.

Submitted by phaster on January 23, 2019 - 10:16am.

FlyerInHi wrote:

What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.

[sarcasm on]

given POTUS and his talking/tweeting points of the virtues of a great big beautiful wall and your mentioning deporting the worst people,... perhaps we can combine the two ideas for a "final solution!"

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/f...

[sarcasm off]

all joking aside, what burns me is political candidates and politicians (i.e. "leadership") that seem to be grandstanding, greedy and/or outright narcissistic 99.9% of the time

as I see things avoidable problems are caused by ass kissing politicians (who do pretty much nothing but pander to their base) along w/ government bureaucrats (i.e. public employee union leadership) who have no economic incentive to change the status quo of feeding like gluttonous pigs at the taxpayers trough

on the national level we obviously have POTUS and his selfish, idiotic stand of partly closing down government, so he can build a wall (as sort of a monument to himself) and coincidently seems trump has also managed to do a pretty good job of feeding like a gluttonous pig at the taxpayers trough (which is exactly like something an african dictator would do)

https://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/t...

or like yesterday afternoon at the local coffee house at the informal weekly discussion where I pointed out to a few neighbors,... seems the root cause of the many local problem(s) (i.e. ever increasing public pension debt, ever increasing "homeless" etc.) is because intellectually challenged career politicians just keep on running for different political offices and are not addressing the various difficult issues in the political offices they leave behind so government bureaucrats it seems then have nothing stopping them from running amuck

since I mentioned trump and the idea of the wall being a sort of a monument to himself,... one talent/trait, all intellectually challenged career politicians seem to have is, posting slick self promotional youtube champaign videos that somehow don't ever mention the inconvenient truth of their actual actions in office,... for example the local ass kissing, intellectually challenged career politician (of the district) is now setting sights on the mayor's office

what's needed to counter this "fake leadership candidate" from causing even more damage to the system is "real honest news" that pulls no punches

www.TinyURL.com/ToddGloria

god help us if this idiot manages to continue to convince political partisans he has any real leadership skills to solve big and vary real problems in this city that need to be addressed

www.TinyURL.com/13thcheck "annual 13th public pension checks"

www.TinyURL.com/2019SDRE "high cost of SD housing (RealEstate)"

www.TinyURL.com/InvestorWarning "climate change effects"

bottom line as I see things,... with $hit leadership increased "homeless" (which is a symptom of mismanagement) is inevitable no matter big city or small town,... red state or blue state,... etc., etc., etc.

Submitted by phaster on March 28, 2019 - 7:26am.

given 2020 elections,... aside from public pension mismanagement, here is another topic the media and voters should be pressing various candidates for answers/leadership

Quote:

Taxpayers Group Can’t Find Link Between Spending, Homelessness Decline

While government spending on local homeless services has dramatically increased throughout the county over the last decade, the effect of that spending is difficult to quantify, according to a report released Tuesday by the San Diego Taxpayers Educational Foundation.

...Because of the poor data collection, it is difficult to determine just how much homeless spending affects local homelessness populations, according to the report, which notes that countywide spending on homelessness services increased by more than 2,000 percent between 2009 and 2018.

https://timesofsandiego.com/life/2019/03...

Quote:

San Diego Has Fourth-Highest Homeless Population In The US

San Diego County had the fourth-most homeless residents in the U.S. this year, according to a report released Monday by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2018/dec/17/sa...

FYI like mismanaged public pensions, the problem of homelessness isn't just a big local problem

Seattle is Dying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw

Seattle Is Dying: Hundreds Of Homeless Dead Due To Failed Public Health Policy
https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/03/19/sea...

This week: Is Seattle really dying?
https://www.kuow.org/stories/this-week-i...

Submitted by temeculaguy on April 4, 2019 - 12:35am.

Just some data:

Interesting in depth article from orange county on how the homeless are being imported by for profit drug treatment centers in so cal.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/12/17/ar...

Then there was some references in this thread to somehow tail light tickets and run down house violations are leading to homelessness.

Perhaps, but it's not your city or county causing this, it's the state.

https://www.ticketsnipers.com/article/wh...

https://newsroom.courts.ca.gov/facts/ana...

That second article shows where a fine goes. The local jurisdiction like a city who pays the cops to enforce traffic laws barely makes it's money back and have kept fines the same for 20+ years. It's the state legislature that has tacked on fees tripling the fines mostly to pay for things they are responsible for. Both teams are to blame, when Pete Wilson was in office it started and I remember back then reading an article that LAPD traffic citations fell by half because they lost money on tickets since the lion share of the money went elsewhere. It's okay to get mad, just get mad at the right people and it's been incremental by leaders from both teams, but it's not the city of San Diego, it's not Todd Gloria that can fix it, ask Gavin to fix it. I'm not defending Todd, not a fan at all, just pointing out that the fault may lie elsewhere. Plus Todd is a progressive, it's against his ideology to act against the homeless so that's the wrong tree to bark up. Not sure there is a tree to bark up these days. Funny thing is, Brin actually mentioned something about a 5 year residency test for services, that's an idea that is worth looking into and since he is as progressive as they come perhaps Todd will go for that. That may very well be the solution if the OC article is not just anecdotal, which I cannot prove or disprove just from an article.

Final article but to give some data to the assertion that cities attract the poor, California is just a little more attractive. Sorry it's an old article but I'm sleepy so I went with the first one and I doubt the UT would run an article like this today since that paper has downsized so much it's all regurgitation nowadays.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new...

disclaimer: the opinion of the author in no way indicates an opposition to the points expressed by other posters, just adding some reference material to previous assertions. Consider it added flavor and not an alternative entree.

Submitted by temeculaguy on April 4, 2019 - 12:42am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
That’s why we need CalExit. Homeless people come to our mild California weather and generous benefits by the thousands (not really that many in the scheme of things). I don’t think Californians are moving to Kentucky to become homeless.

What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.

But if you said this same thing about other countries rather than other states you'd have to hate yourself?

I like the new brian!

Sorry guys, I know I said at lunch today I was going to ignore these types of things and stay with real estate, my bad.

Submitted by phaster on April 13, 2019 - 11:19am.

temeculaguy wrote:
Just some data:

Interesting in depth article from orange county on how the homeless are being imported by for profit drug treatment centers in so cal.

https://www.ocregister.com/2017/12/17/ar...

Then there was some references in this thread to somehow tail light tickets and run down house violations are leading to homelessness.

Perhaps, but it's not your city or county causing this, it's the state.

https://www.ticketsnipers.com/article/wh...

https://newsroom.courts.ca.gov/facts/ana...

That second article shows where a fine goes. The local jurisdiction like a city who pays the cops to enforce traffic laws barely makes it's money back and have kept fines the same for 20+ years. It's the state legislature that has tacked on fees tripling the fines mostly to pay for things they are responsible for. Both teams are to blame, when Pete Wilson was in office it started and I remember back then reading an article that LAPD traffic citations fell by half because they lost money on tickets since the lion share of the money went elsewhere. It's okay to get mad, just get mad at the right people and it's been incremental by leaders from both teams, but it's not the city of San Diego, it's not Todd Gloria that can fix it, ask Gavin to fix it. I'm not defending Todd, not a fan at all, just pointing out that the fault may lie elsewhere. Plus Todd is a progressive, it's against his ideology to act against the homeless so that's the wrong tree to bark up. Not sure there is a tree to bark up these days. Funny thing is, Brin actually mentioned something about a 5 year residency test for services, that's an idea that is worth looking into and since he is as progressive as they come perhaps Todd will go for that. That may very well be the solution if the OC article is not just anecdotal, which I cannot prove or disprove just from an article.

Final article but to give some data to the assertion that cities attract the poor, California is just a little more attractive. Sorry it's an old article but I'm sleepy so I went with the first one and I doubt the UT would run an article like this today since that paper has downsized so much it's all regurgitation nowadays.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new...

disclaimer: the opinion of the author in no way indicates an opposition to the points expressed by other posters, just adding some reference material to previous assertions. Consider it added flavor and not an alternative entree.

I've never been a trump fan,... but WRT MSM have to agree w/ POTUS in that it is mostly all regurgitation nowadays and very little critical analysis,... #sad

as I see things,.... one has to realize prices for RE, equities, bonds, etc., are all somewhat interrelated, furthermore there is a positive price bias,... and we know this because of the expression that "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent"

I mention this because the other day driving on my way to sign off on my 2018 tax returns, listened to a news segment about U.S. adults who averaged an "F" WRT financial literacy

Quote:

Should High Schools Teach Financial Literacy?

Only 17 states require a financial literacy course in high school. Perhaps that explains why U.S. adults averaged an "F" on a recent survey about financial literacy from the business school at George Washington University.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/04/...

given politicians like Gavin or Todd Gloria are elected from the general population,... its pretty certain the no talent ass clowns (i.e. political leadership) would also average an "F" on a survey about financial literacy!

last week noticed an editorial cartoon about immigration both into and out of California and on the next page an opinion letter about the homeless from an individual from vets for peace,... just happens one of the characters that hangs out at the local coffee shop is a retired USAF F4 driver who happens to have economics background (and is a member for the vets for peace), so we often talk about various subjects like economics, the homeless, etc.

anyway looking at the problem as an aircraft crash investigation seems the no talent ass clowns (i.e. political leadership) are dishonest and dumb WRT managing the economy,... and we know this because of "error chain" analysis which is a method used in the aviation sector to help uncover the root cause of a crash,... bottom line seems to be until the root cause is addressed head on pretty certain we are headed for a major local financial crash and ever increasing number of homeless,... simply because those at the controls are not doing their jobs,... so this causes migration into california from economic refuges trying to escape $hit management in latin american countries, as well as migration out of california from economic refuges trying to escape $hit management by no talent ass clowns like Gavin or Todd Gloria

Editorial Cartoon about migration and Vets For Peace "opinion"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B66GMOh...

FYI there was a news report a few years ago about a local san diego/golden hill "safe parking" program geared toward preventing people becoming homeless and sleeping on the streets,... what I thought was noteworthy was the program included financial counseling

Middle-class Americans forced to live in cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q85cVURGO60

also FWIW what you might find interesting is an outreach program that sheds light on a little known aspect and musical talent of some of the local homeless

http://www.voicesofourcity.org/documentary

anyhow,... as for the NPR segment I listened to that asked asked the question,... Should High Schools Teach Financial Literacy?... and also mentioned April is financial literacy month,... sadly have to conclude because politicians as well as reporters are unable to think critically about middle school math as it relates to managing a public pension portfolio,... eventually the markets are no longer going to be able to ignore $hit political management by no talent ass clowns (at all levels of government) so remaining irrational will have to eventually give way to the harsh reality that BIG debt obligations were caused by ignoring middle school math concepts (which in turn pushes those unable to cope w/ ever increasing costs to migrate or become homeless)

www.TinyURL.com/13thcheck

FYI

Quote:

Mayoral candidates are off to the races

The candidate: Todd Gloria

...He served as the chair of the city’s Budget and Finance Committee, Council President and as interim mayor after the resignation of Bob Filner.

...Cons? Critics have often pointed out that Gloria didn’t do enough with his time on the city council to address the issue of homelessness back at a time when it could have conceivably been much more manageable.

http://sdcitybeat.com/news-and-opinion/n...

so as I see things there there are lots of unanswered questions the press should be asking about the 13th pension check, the growing homeless problem, etc!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 13, 2019 - 11:42am.

temeculaguy wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
That’s why we need CalExit. Homeless people come to our mild California weather and generous benefits by the thousands (not really that many in the scheme of things). I don’t think Californians are moving to Kentucky to become homeless.

What burns me is that the states that send us their worst people think that the homeless problem is a coastal city thing. People come here to beg because of the attractive environment. We need CalExit so we can deport these people them back home to their folks.

But if you said this same thing about other countries rather than other states you'd have to hate yourself?

I like the new brian!

Sorry guys, I know I said at lunch today I was going to ignore these types of things and stay with real estate, my bad.

No hate needed. The people who say things about others should rightly have the same thing thrown back at them in time.

I welcome immigrants from other countries. In fact, I'm sponsoring refugees. But I don't welcome drunkards and drug addicts from other states who come to California to beg for money. We should bus them back home. I think it was done before but the courts put a stop to it.

Submitted by temeculaguy on April 21, 2019 - 1:48am.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpAi70WWBlw

"Seattle is dying" is from a local ABC news affiliate so it's not a fox news production and at the end of the hour things seem clear, evidence based solutions are needed. I'll be the first to admit documentaries can be biased, not sure if this one is but instead of just showing a problem, they show a solution. Complaining is not a strategy, show me proof that an alternative can work, now that is a strategy. It's not a partisan problem, SD should go with what works. The Seattle model doesn't work but maybe Rhode Island has something that can be replicated. Rhode island is a Blue State for those keeping score, perhaps that will make this an easier pill to swallow since this is a liberal vs liberal argument being made and the Rhode island liberals seem to have the better answer. I don't care who comes up with the the answer as long as it works. My apologies if it takes an hour of your life but it's worthwhile to watch it to the end.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 21, 2019 - 8:21pm.

Just watched it.

The reasons the homeless come to cities like Seattle is because of liberal policies.
Give the police the authority to deport the drug addicts back to their hometowns so their parents can teach them to “just say no.”

Rural areas and small towns have been exporting their druggies to large cities for too long. The reporters should have asked the druggies where they were born.

Drug treatment prisons? That should a federal program because druggies come from all areas of the country. Plus whatever happened to “just say no”?

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