San Diego homeless, mercifully, do not live very long

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Submitted by phaster on January 10, 2019 - 8:09am

skimming the morning news read


San Diego homeless, mercifully, do not live very long

...the homeless situation is very unfair both to homeowners and the homeless at the same time, as well as to businesses. Why should property owners be forced to allow trespassing on beaches and in canyons, plus be responsible for cleanup? Redevelopment has thousands of costs like this hidden from the public.

...I do not expect San Diego to be able to fix its homeless problem, and I hope and wish to be proven wrong. For 30 years the theme has been, “Now we finally have the solution!” The Homeless Outreach Team does not help the homeless, it “rotates” them. Homelessness is a rotation that begins when your boss at work files for bankruptcy. Then you can’t find a job that pays enough money to afford rent.

...I have lived in Hillcrest for 15 years, and it is a disgusting place to live now (“Hillcrest: gayborhood or ghetto?,” Cover Stories, January 2). I wake up each morning to human shit on my sidewalk and trash dumped onto the hood of my car. Rent has skyrocketed and the City Council had done nothing to make changes. I have written and called both Todd Gloria and Chris Ward about the need to clean up Hillcrest. No action has been taken. People are moving out in droves.



Morning Report: City Spending on Homeless Is Up Big, Results Not So Hot

sifting the hard numbers out of news articles tells me for 2019 San Diego "real estate" is heading for a fall because politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who represent the district) are not addressing the problems!!! or said another way seems its willful ignorance by political leadership


...paper by Julie Irwin and some other colleagues who wrote a paper on this idea of willful ignorance. And the idea was that you had a product and you had access to a whole bunch of different pieces of information. And one of them was the labor conditions or the environmental conditions. And the question was do people actually ask for this information? And you can look at it if you want, but you could decide not to look at it. And it turns out people didn't want to look at that information because they didn't really want to be confronted with this kind of conflict between their beliefs and, you know, what they really wanted. And they found this effect was stronger for people who cared more about labor issues, who cared more about environmental issues.

...The folks who care the most about ethics might be most willing to turn a blind eye to unethical business practices because they know if they found out about those practices, they would feel obliged to do something about it.


Submitted by spdrun on January 10, 2019 - 1:58pm.


Self-fixing problem. Gentrification and pricing people out of the market lead to homelessness. Now, the gentrifiers are feeling a pricing pinch due to the homelessness problem that they in part created.

Karma's a stone bitch.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 10, 2019 - 3:36pm.


Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 11, 2019 - 12:15am.

spdrun wrote:

Self-fixing problem. Gentrification and pricing people out of the market lead to homelessness. Now, the gentrifiers are feeling a pricing pinch due to the homelessness problem that they in part created.

Karma's a stone bitch.

It's not gentrification. People who can't afford rent in Hilcrest can always move to cheaper areas. They may not like it but it's a workable option.

It's drugs and mental illness. We have a moral crisis in America. Stephen Colbert said 1/12th the population has a felony conviction. Not counting all the other crimes and dysfunction.

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 9:05am.

Yeah. We have a fuckin' moral crisis, but it's not the PEOPLE being immoral. It's a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments using petty fines instead of taxes to raise revenue.

Set speed limits arbitrarily low. Go for a fishing expedition when people who are already poor are pulled over. Stick them with $2000 of fines which they can't pay. Crack in the tail light? Cha-ching! Burned out headlight? Cha-ching!

Take their license. When they're pulled over again, confiscate their car and jail them for a while. Congrats! They've just lost their job and are unable to get to work because public transportation stinks in the USA.

Show up at their house. Arrest them for having a run-down property. When they can't pay the fine, stick them with contempt-of-court charges. When they turn to drugs to escape their shitty reality, bust them for felony possession, jail them, take their voting rights.

Case will never see a jury that could mitigate punishment, either -- excessive sentences tend to be used by prosecutors to bully people into accepting "time served" and a felony record. I'd suspect that 90% of felons are made by the American system, not born with criminal tendencies.

When I look at what happened in places like Ferguson, MO, I think that the rioters didn't go far enough. Their anger was justified and then some. Yellow vest protests combined with some public floggings would have been about right.

I don't like Trump, but I see him as a catalyst. Make voters so angry that they elect more left/less authoritarian candidates on the local, state, and Congressional level who support things like sentencing reform, decriminalization of victimless crimes, and expanding the social/health safety net.

Submitted by barnaby33 on January 11, 2019 - 9:13am.

Can you find an example in history where pissed off voters turned left, before a hard right turn?

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 9:27am.

The US has ALREADY been "hard right" since the time of Ronald "Alzheimer" Reagan (may his memory rot in hell). We've tried being hard-right by developed-world standards, and this is failing a lot of people.

If you're trying to make a comparison to Nazi Germany, the US is not equivalent.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 11, 2019 - 10:21am.

Good points spd. But kinder glentler will not work in America. Our badass cowboy mentality is incompatible with the 21st century.

Drugs and dysfunction are everywhere. Combine that with a hyper sports and military culture. We are really fucked up people, yet we like to think we are the greatest. And you can’t say otherwise else you get demonized for not being patriotic.

Anyway, I have given up on America as an aggregate. Landlords are responsible to themselves and maximizing their shareholder value. They should not be expected to house whackjobs who can’t pay rent.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 11, 2019 - 10:24am.

Sounds very conservative LOL.

Submitted by NeetaT on January 11, 2019 - 10:57am.

OK, new rule, no public money for the homeless crises. There is plenty of private money. If you want to give, give. Our society is rife with social programs that drain the wallets of everyone from the super rich to the lower middle class.

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 2:59pm.

What if it's cheaper to give them a place to live than to deal with ER visits, illness due to human excrement on the streets, and incarceration? Use public money to get them clean, put them in job training, and get them the mental health aid that they need, if they need it.

Submitted by njtosd on January 11, 2019 - 6:13pm.

This case has contributed a lot to the distribution of homeless people, I believe, especially the LA tent city. .

Not surprising to see that spdrun has continued on his course of accelerating bitterness.

Submitted by spdrun on January 11, 2019 - 11:10pm.

The problem isn't that I'm bitter. The problem is that other people aren't bitter enough about a system that costs huge amount of taxpayer money and ruins lives :(

Balzac once wrote that it's equally illegal for a rich man and a poor man to beg for food or sleep on the street. If the homeless don't have a place to sleep, how is citing them or fining them really going to help things? I guess jail will give them a bed for the night, but it's an expensive and inhumane way of doing things vs building more shelter space.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 12, 2019 - 9:52am.

spdrun wrote:
The problem isn't that I'm bitter. The problem is that other people aren't bitter enough about a system that costs huge amount of taxpayer money and ruins lives :(

I’m not bitter. Bitterness is self destructive.
One just need to open ones eyes to see the truth. However, the people most affected by bad policies delude themselves that they are being served.

I see clearly that on individual level people are the source of their own problems. But on a societal level, we are not providing solutions. “Just say no” ain’t working.

Substance addiction will only get worse, not better. If we want solutions, we just need to look at societies that do a better job dealing with family dysfunction and drugs. But we’re stubborn and badasses so we refuse to learn. It’s easier to look away and blame Mexicans for our own moral failings.

Submitted by phaster on January 13, 2019 - 8:15pm.

spdrun wrote:
Yeah. We have a fuckin' moral crisis, but it's not the PEOPLE being immoral. It's a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments...

we are where we are because of past political leadership decisions which were made by "career politicians" w/ far too little mental "numbers" horsepower and only having a "balls and honesty factor" of 0.01%,... how else to explain why BIG PROBLEMS came about AND remain to be addressed?

for example local politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who actively sought the position to represent the downtown area where there is a large "homeless" problem),... as various local news reports indicate they are not addressing (i.e. in denial) of various big issues (which should be job#1 for anyone who who actively sought the position leadership role) so the end result is, their council district has been lead up a creek w/ out a paddle!

what's the answer? perhaps more numbers type guys/gals (i.e. someone w/ at least a CPA background) in politics to actually help the "homeless"

one last thought,... since california mandated more women on the boards


California Mandates More Women On Corporate Boards

Legislators in California passed a bill recently that would require publicly-traded companies headquartered in the state to place at least one woman on their board by the end of 2019.

perhaps there should be a proposition that requires that politicians take and pass a basic math and economics course before being sworn into office

Submitted by spdrun on January 12, 2019 - 10:30am.

I’m not bitter. Bitterness is self destructive.

Bitterness got Trump elected, which may not be such a bad thing. Trump is a rightist authoritarian asshole, and he has generated a lot of anger and backlash. If the backlash consists of leftist candidates with looser views on "law, order, God, and patriotism" coming into office, this could be a great thing. End the wars on drugs, stop fighting in foreign wars that we have no hope of winning, spend money on lifting people up, not throwing them in prison.

Education, infrastructure, public health care. Live and let live. Decriminalize personal use of drugs. Lower the drinking age to 18. Abolish capital punishment. Reform criminal sentencing laws. Make it 1975 again, politically speaking.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 12, 2019 - 2:08pm.

There is big contradiction in American life. People are all for individual responsibility until it’s comes to their own. Plus Americans would rather die than accept limp wristed liberal ideas.

But seriously, we have to ask ourselves why so many Americans do drugs to the point of homelessness.

Do you realize that the 1970s was a time of decay, especially urban decay. Going back to that won’t help NYC compete with Shanghai.

Trump voters and backlash aren’t the answer. We need rational thinking and not emotions. You know the Trump voters who are against the wars are the same morons who wanted to go kick ass, right? So what, chicken now?

Submitted by phaster on January 13, 2019 - 8:17pm. wrote:

LA's Battle for Venice Beach: Homeless Surge Puts Hollywood's Progressive Ideals to the Test

...Los Angeles is grappling with a homeless epidemic. "It's the worst human catastrophe in America," says Andy Bales, a pastor who runs the Union Rescue Mission on Skid Row. Faced with a growing crisis, city leaders last year budgeted more than $100 million for affordable housing, addiction treatment, job placement and mental health services. And yet, as L.A.'s real estate prices soar, so does the city's homeless population.

..."There are actually [residents] advocating driving the homeless out of Venice — shipping them off somewhere, which is such a proto-fascist move,"

...Disagreements over the potential causes of the crimes have begun to factionalize Venice's neighborhoods.

...The most common refrain heard when discussing the cause of L.A.'s homeless crisis is soaring housing costs. But there are other forces at play in Venice and throughout the city involving various laws and ballot measures that date back more than a decade. A 2006 ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Jones v. City of Los Angeles required that law enforcement and city officials no longer enforce the ban on sleeping on sidewalks anywhere in the city until a sufficient amount of permanent supportive housing could be built. Further complicating matters were two state ballot measures that voters overwhelmingly approved in 2016 — Propositions 47 and 57 — which decriminalized certain felonies to misdemeanors in an effort to address the state's overburdened prison system.

After multiple tire slashings, one resident built a homemade deterrent system

Others have put up unpermitted planters to eat up sidewalk space

now the real life "hollywood" trailer,... homeless zombies coming to neighborhood near you?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 13, 2019 - 8:28pm.

We need CalExit to keep the druggies from migrating from other states. We should be able to deport them back home to their parents. Let’s only take care of the people born in California or those who have a minimum of 5 years residency.

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