Rural Urban Divide, Millennial Lifestyles & City of the Future

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Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 8, 2017 - 1:43pm

Aren't we lucky to live in a desirable top 10 city that is growing in population and diversity? It must suck to live stagnant or dying towns.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016...

How will millennials drive the future of real estate?
I find it interesting that the Internet (by spreading information so fast and wide) is causing people to want to live in "cool" places causing more demand for the largest metros.

It's the reverse of "live in a small village and work remotely" prediction. Sure, some people are doing that; even digital nomads cluster in certain areas of the world (Bogota, Chiang Mai, Prague, etc.)
https://nomadlist.com/

Submitted by svelte on September 1, 2017 - 3:56pm.

Essbee wrote:
I remember checking out some of the Del Mar Highlands model homes back in early 1986. ... I was in 5th grade and we had just moved to San Diego from the Midwest. I recall that an attached townhouse or duplex was $109,000. That seemed way out of reach for us at the time.

We moved here in 1987 and I remember new homes in Mira Mesa going for $100K at that time, which being from a small burg up north I thought was outrageous.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 10, 2017 - 8:06am.

Yet another list,

These Will Be the 15 Biggest U.S. Cities in 2046

Riverside is number 10.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/these...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 10, 2017 - 9:31am.

Ahh, Shoveler, I'm kicking myself for not buying in Riverside. It's becoming a new sprawling LA. On my frequent drives San Diego-Vegas I got to know Riverside quite well. I promised myself that, next recession, I will buy in Riverside.

As big as Riverside is, it's the most vulnerable to a real estate downtown in Southern California. Well....San Bernardino is more vulnerable. Of course, I'm ignoring Imperial and the other "irrelevant" counties.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 17, 2018 - 2:20pm.

I was talking to friends about retirement planning. That crazy couple is talking about moving to temecula wine country from West LA. Nothing with Temecula if you live there already.... but retiring from LA sounds crazy to me.

I think it’s better to own condos in several cities and make the rounds. You want to be near major attractions. Perhaps rent an apartment in France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Uruguay... whatever and stay sereral months each year. Airbnb and home share sites make it possible.

Plus in the next 10 years, with electric vehicles, there will be little pollution in the cities. Electric vehicles will improve liveability; and the desirability gap between urban and rural areas will widen considerably. I will wait to be proven right.

Submitted by svelte on May 17, 2018 - 3:54pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I was talking to friends about retirement planning. That crazy couple is talking about moving to temecula wine country from West LA. Nothing with Temecula if you live there already.... but retiring from LA sounds crazy to me.

Plus in the next 10 years, with electric vehicles, there will be little pollution in the cities. Electric vehicles will improve liveability; and the desirability gap between urban and rural areas will widen considerably. I will wait to be proven right.

Generalizations are a biotch.

Not hard to predict a trend that has been happening for decades - ie small town drying up. Nothing new.

However, it depends upon what small town you are talking about. Some near more desirable areas are certainly growing and will continue to do so.

And you never know - your friends from west LA may have just lived there for the income. Maybe they are from more rural areas. Perhaps they are just returning to their roots. You'll find a lot of small northern calif cities filled with San Francisco retirees. They live the rest of their life perfectly content with the slower pace.

Submitted by svelte on May 17, 2018 - 3:54pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I was talking to friends about retirement planning. That crazy couple is talking about moving to temecula wine country from West LA. Nothing with Temecula if you live there already.... but retiring from LA sounds crazy to me.

Plus in the next 10 years, with electric vehicles, there will be little pollution in the cities. Electric vehicles will improve liveability; and the desirability gap between urban and rural areas will widen considerably. I will wait to be proven right.

Generalizations are a biotch.

Not hard to predict a trend that has been happening for decades - ie small town drying up. Nothing new.

However, it depends upon what small town you are talking about. Some near more desirable areas are certainly growing and will continue to do so.

And you never know - your friends from west LA may have just lived there for the income. Maybe they are from more rural areas. Perhaps they are just returning to their roots. You'll find a lot of small northern calif cities filled with San Francisco retirees. They live the rest of their life perfectly content with the slower pace.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on May 17, 2018 - 4:31pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I was talking to friends about retirement planning. That crazy couple is talking about moving to temecula wine country from West LA. Nothing with Temecula if you live there already.... but retiring from LA sounds crazy to me.

I think it’s better to own condos in several cities and make the rounds. You want to be near major attractions. Perhaps rent an apartment in France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Uruguay... whatever and stay sereral months each year. Airbnb and home share sites make it possible.

Plus in the next 10 years, with electric vehicles, there will be little pollution in the cities. Electric vehicles will improve liveability; and the desirability gap between urban and rural areas will widen considerably. I will wait to be proven right.

Temecula is a good sized city these days with plenty to do, SD or LA attractions are just about an hour away.

Weird as it seems I actually live in both places.
The Temecula/SD/OC areas are much more fun than LA IMO.

Self Driving cars will not be restricted to LA LOL.

My plan is to retire in TV or North SD.

Submitted by millennial on May 18, 2018 - 6:17am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I was talking to friends about retirement planning. That crazy couple is talking about moving to temecula wine country from West LA. Nothing with Temecula if you live there already.... but retiring from LA sounds crazy to me.

I think it’s better to own condos in several cities and make the rounds. You want to be near major attractions. Perhaps rent an apartment in France, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Uruguay... whatever and stay sereral months each year. Airbnb and home share sites make it possible.

Plus in the next 10 years, with electric vehicles, there will be little pollution in the cities. Electric vehicles will improve liveability; and the desirability gap between urban and rural areas will widen considerably. I will wait to be proven right.

I’ve lived in West LA (Sawtelle and Olympic) and I wouldn’t exactly consider it an “urban lifestyle”. LA is just like San Diego which is just urban sprawl and depending where you were in West La would be similar to Point Loma or UTC. Fact is that you will need to jump in a car at some point to do daily errands, and deal with traffic parking etc. Major pain especially if you’re old.

Furthermore I can’t see anything wrong about packing up and selling your place at a solid price in the city and moving to more affordable housing in the country. I don’t know their financial situation, but for most that would make far more sense than the opposite.
With the money in the bank from the sale you can use the returns to pay for months of air bnb, reinvest, or give it to your favorite charity.

Personally I don’t know why I would live in a place like West LA unless I was a young 20 something professional who had a job close by. Having a place in Manhattan or even downtown SD to get that urban lifestyle and a home in Maui to have the island lifestyle would be more preferable for me. Also it wouldn’t be when I’m 65 but when I’m 50 and the kids are out of the house and I can fully enjoy what downtown life has to offer.

My lifestyle preference is 38 with kids-suburban lifestyle, 50 no kids-urban w/ island getaway, 65 retired and old-move to island house and do whatever the hell I want, 90 and in wheelchair- retirement community and plenty of drugs to keep me occupied.

Submitted by Ribbles on May 18, 2018 - 6:32am.

TV resident here. As an aging Gen Xer, it's perfect. I've done the LA nightlife - it feels like a series of giant mausoleums with the occasional club that is trying too hard to be hip and utterly failing at customer service. A night at the Lafayette hotel / Red Fox Room and a concert at the Observatory is way more my speed.

Old Town in Temecula is surprisingly fun for grownups.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 18, 2018 - 7:33am.

WTF is there to really do, anyway, anywhere?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 18, 2018 - 9:37am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
WTF is there to really do, anyway, anywhere?

So true. But what do you make of urban architecture and planning.
As individuals we have only so little control. But together we can change our cities.

http://www.thebookoflife.org/the-importa...

Also our cities are planned makes on a post wwii model of dependence on the automotive and separation of residences for businesses, probably to limit pollution.

However new green technologies will change our cities.
More bike lanes, electric scooters, etc...

Washington, DC I now a cool city to live in. A lot of people cannot afford to live there anymore. Why leave the city if it means not being able to afford to return later?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washing...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 18, 2018 - 11:17am.

I think my life would be the same anywhere.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on May 19, 2018 - 7:34am.

IMO My life has become a lot more fun and interesting after moving to TV/North-SD going on 17 or so years ago now.

I still have ties to LA but I rarely spend much down time there.

Well once in a while we still go to Downtown LA or one of the several Asian communities in LA to shop and eat.

It's not like you cannot get there from here.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 19, 2018 - 10:02am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
I think my life would be the same anywhere.

I think you would be happier in bike friendly environment like Copenhagen where people of like minds can meet everyday because they live close. Imagine if San Diego were more like that.
I predict electric transport changing how cities evolve. Problem is cities evolve slowly and we may never experience the best. Anyway, we will see in 20 or 30 years. I am making real estate investments based on being centrally located and I can see the demand for quality housing. There is few new construction so modern, remodeled housing is in high demand.

You can also watch episode on amazon prime.
https://youtu.be/uwktOviRtcQ

Submitted by The-Shoveler on May 19, 2018 - 11:35am.

FlyerInHi wrote:

I think you would be happier in bike friendly environment like Copenhagen

LOL I was reading an article where Denmark is complaining they are being overrun with tourists and they were looking at ways to make themselves less tourists friendly (they get more tourists than the local population).

Anyway I have been to Copenhagen, IMO kind of flat and boring (The Little Mermaid is just a small little statue that graffiti artist paint sometimes). But the Beer is good.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 20, 2018 - 7:27pm.

my bike commute is perfect.

i enjoy being an oddball.

went hiking at dripping springs today, just a 10 min drive from my house.

rode my bike from temecula,to oceanside yesterday down the redone 76.

temecula is the nicest place in the world!
also how can beer be better than here????!

Submitted by spdrun on May 20, 2018 - 9:34pm.

Isn't 76 a 4 to 6 lane highway towards Oceanside? Is it bikeable?

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 21, 2018 - 7:54am.

extremely bikeable. it was widened, extremely wide. excellent. 5 stars. feels,safe

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 21, 2018 - 10:12am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
extremely bikeable. it was widened, extremely wide. excellent. 5 stars. feels,safe

Wow, scaredy! You are very fit. Congratulations!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 21, 2018 - 6:23pm.

sounds more impressive than the reality. basically, just pedal along for 7 hrs, like a,long walk.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 22, 2018 - 5:34pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
sounds more impressive than the reality. basically, just pedal along for 7 hrs, like a,long walk.

Still very mpressive. Lots of hills. Especially compared to people who drive to the mailbox and let their car idle while they check mail.

Submitted by flyer on May 22, 2018 - 6:19pm.

Lots of great trails in CA--we've checked out many of them--and here's a great resource:

https://www.alltrails.com/us/california?...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 23, 2018 - 3:15pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
sounds more impressive than the reality. basically, just pedal along for 7 hrs, like a,long walk.

Still very mpressive. Lots of hills. Especially compared to people who drive to the mailbox and let their car idle while they check mail.

next time, temecula to downtown SD and back

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 24, 2018 - 2:57pm.

That is 65 miles, 1 way.
I don’t mind pedaling slowly, but I hate hills. Need electric bicycle.

https://goo.gl/maps/ANnadpQMtK22

Submitted by barnaby33 on May 24, 2018 - 4:53pm.

If we are talking trails, the Bayshore bike way is pretty spectacular in central SD. It's not 100% bike path but over half is and no major highways required. I often ride from Mission Valley to Border Field State park as well.

I just did my first century from Irvine Amtrak to the border 7 weeks ago.
Josh

Submitted by millennial on May 24, 2018 - 11:54pm.

I’m moving to new forum. You guys are too old and add no value. New thread please. What happened to bearish? At least she was ignorant. I will take that any day over this old fart talking about electric bikes and trails

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 25, 2018 - 6:27am.

next up...assisted living places...

bought the ebike yesterday instead of a new car. youngest kids driving to school, im ebiking...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on February 21, 2019 - 12:07pm.

I hope the invisible hand of the free market works out for the rural folks. I know they have the grit and determination to succeed.

While metropolitan America surges forward, rural areas continue to be riven by an onslaught of demographic decline, loss of manufacturing jobs, rising poverty, opioid abuse, blight, insufficient capital, anemic investment, poor infrastructure and an abysmally low participation rate in the global digital economy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on March 4, 2019 - 8:08pm.

Finally, the city of San Diego is allowing development without parking. About time.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/C...

Submitted by The-Shoveler on March 5, 2019 - 7:45am.

Thank god my neighborhood has enough parking LOL.

I know of Condo HOA's so freaked out about parking they have even owners cars towed if they forget to have their parking tags displayed.

Next step is to make it illegal to park anywhere near the complex just to make it a complete PITA.

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