Ross Perot and money

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Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 10, 2019 - 2:08pm

Ross Perot just died. ..
I guess his economic predictions were all wrong.

On the highway to Vegas there is one dude with a Ross Perot REVOLUTION billboard on his property.

Submitted by spdrun on July 10, 2019 - 2:16pm.

Were they? Or did blue-collar alienation and rage about being left out of the global economy bring us Trump and Brexit?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 11, 2019 - 9:49am.

spdrun wrote:
Were they? Or did blue-collar alienation and rage about being left out of the global economy bring us Trump and Brexit?

I don’t think the answer to populism is to cater to it.

Blue collar populists were not left out. They just didn’t do proportionally as well as the rich or the new middle class in China. Tech did very well because there is now a global market place. In fact, US internet companies did the best because, with little friction, they can reach across borders into new markets. Shareholders did very well.

Economic liberalism worked extremely well and we now know that Ross Perot’s policies of austerity would have been bad.

Submitted by Hobie on July 11, 2019 - 2:04pm.

Brian, you really should be cheering Perot. Because of him, we got Bill Clinton. In part, because some of his social views were too progressive (prolife, progay) in a time when that was not popular.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 11, 2019 - 3:48pm.

According to most articles I read, Clinton would have won anyway.

On social issues such as gay equality, why not just have it early than later? Getting it over with would have saved the country all the fighting and it would have made a positive difference to millions of people. It was not even something that cost money. On the contrary, gays are a big market that contributes the economy -- win win for everybody. I recently bought a fabulous Nate Berkus sofa at living spaces. Such a quality product at a bargain price.

Submitted by temeculaguy on July 12, 2019 - 12:15am.

You've never been so wrong and it hurts to read your misguided musings. To help you understand, Bernie liked him, look up the story of Bernie Sanders' sword which was a gift from Ross. I fondly remember my Perot bumper sticker and I remember reading the book "on the wings of eagles." You want someone to care about the worker and the working class, you won't find better.

In other news, Millennials are moving to the suburbs.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/07/08/mi...

Nobody is biking to work, nobody uses mass transit and every year fewer do. We waste 70% of transit funds on mass transit for 3.5% of the population that use it. Soy Boys are becoming the bain of our society and the democrats will lose on policy to probably the most offensive president ever because they didn't learn anything from 2016. Pelosi is doing the right thing to try and silence the progressives because they are a liability. Oh and the deportations of the provisional voters starts Sunday!

Have I hurt your feelings enough, good, you deserved it this time.

I don't hate Brian but he made me say those things because of his revisionist history about a great American patriot. You do not know Ross, so shut up and sit the hell down. If you or I were 10% of the man that Ross was I would be proud, I will leave this planet without accomplishing a fraction of what he did for others, as will you. That is the reason for the diatribe and the rant, because you have no respect for people who are better than you and you should. Now burn your Che Guevera T shirt and go get a Perot T shirt.

Submitted by temeculaguy on July 12, 2019 - 12:23am.

https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Eagles-Insp...

https://www.amazon.com/Perot-President-E...

https://www.amazon.com/Ross-Perot-Forgot...

You'll be a hit at parties, the ultimate independant. Today he would win, had he won in 1992, we would have no national debt and you wouldn't know where Iraq or Afghanistan are on a map.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 12, 2019 - 6:23am.

temeculaguy wrote:
You've never been so wrong and it hurts to read your misguided musings. To help you understand, Bernie liked him, look up the story of Bernie Sanders' sword which was a gift from Ross. I fondly remember my Perot bumper sticker and I remember reading the book "on the wings of eagles." You want someone to care about the worker and the working class, you won't find better.

In other news, Millennials are moving to the suburbs.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/07/08/mi...

Nobody is biking to work, nobody uses mass transit and every year fewer do. We waste 70% of transit funds on mass transit for 3.5% of the population that use it. Soy Boys are becoming the bain of our society and the democrats will lose on policy to probably the most offensive president ever because they didn't learn anything from 2016. Pelosi is doing the right thing to try and silence the progressives because they are a liability. Oh and the deportations of the provisional voters starts Sunday!

Have I hurt your feelings enough, good, you deserved it this time.

I don't hate Brian but he made me say those things because of his revisionist history about a great American patriot. You do not know Ross, so shut up and sit the hell down. If you or I were 10% of the man that Ross was I would be proud, I will leave this planet without accomplishing a fraction of what he did for others, as will you. That is the reason for the diatribe and the rant, because you have no respect for people who are better than you and you should. Now burn your Che Guevera T shirt and go get a Perot T shirt.

soy boy?

ugh. right wing radio offensive language.

https://medium.com/@natzlily28/the-term-...

people function in the system we have. would way more people ride bikes if it were perceived as safer? yeah.

would they prefer not to commute an hour a day each way? yeah.

but its a car, military, commute, oil, obese culture.

the choices are limited by the structure in place

as for economic austerity would individuals be way better off if they didnt drive a car for a few years? yeah

https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/...

mrmoneymustache for president!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 12, 2019 - 6:27am.

can things change?

yeah. my parents said weed would never be legal in my lifetime vack during a college days discussion.

now my moms doc is recommending it for pain. society will change when it becomes ridiculous not to ...

my memory was all wrong tho. weed has to be the most boring substance ever.

lately i prefer the michelada. low alcohol, good for the prostate, soyfree. true, its provably a nafta inspired conspiracy to get americans to buy more tecate, but jeez, its delicious.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on July 12, 2019 - 7:14am.

a really amazing high: deep breathing and sun salutations in yoga class.

wow. powerful rush. heads all buzzing.

yet probably seen as a soyboy feminine type activity.

i liked this podcsdt on why men refuse to do yoga

https://slate.com/human-interest/2019/06...

When Terrell Starr started doing yoga in his 30s, it opened up his mind to new possibilities of what his body could do—not to mention what he could do as a man. He realized he’d been restricting himself not only physically but mentally because of what he’d learned growing up. This week on Man Up, he talks with Aymann about yoga, therapy, and breaking free of social limits.

but for those who love jesus, beware of deep breathing, weird m9vement and emptying the mind. christians maybe should avoid yoga...

https://www.cbn.com/health/fitness/bagby...

Submitted by spdrun on July 12, 2019 - 11:14am.

Temeculaguy: you seem bitter. Come to NYC, Boston, SF, or DC, plenty of people use public transit, and it could use improvement in the US. Not as many people bike to work in the US as in (say) Amsterdam, but it doesn't mean that nobody rides.

If by "soyboys" you mean weaklings, who's the weakling? The person who mostly walks, bikes, or takes transit to work, or the person who sits in a comfy car for 2.5 hours a day while munching on a supersize happy meal?

Submitted by The-Shoveler on July 12, 2019 - 1:57pm.

temeculaguy wrote:

Nobody is biking to work, nobody uses mass transit and every year fewer do. We waste 70% of transit funds on mass transit for 3.5% of the population

My Wife's friends she grew up with in Shanghai all have two or three cars (and have moved to newly built suburbs).

Costco is opening a new (first in china) store in the burbs of Shanghai with a large parking lot.

Submitted by svelte on July 12, 2019 - 3:48pm.

temeculaguy wrote:
You want someone to care about the worker and the working class, you won't find better.
.

Would have to disagree.

There was a point in my life I lived in the Sacramento area and was struggling. EDS (Perot's company) wanted to hire me to manage a data center there.

They sent me the contract to sign. The pay was poor and there was a clause stating that if I quit within the first year, I would owe the company $3x, two years $2x, and 3 years $1x. Can't remember what x was but it was a significant part of the salary.

I passed on that offer and shortly thereafter got a great offer doing software development in San Diego. The rest is history. Thank goodness I passed on Ross.

Submitted by spdrun on July 12, 2019 - 4:53pm.

^^^

Wouldn't the solution be to get yourself fired? It's not quitting if you come to work every day with a bad case of diarrhea and soiled pants. If they try to collect the money, sue them under disability laws :D

Submitted by temeculaguy on July 12, 2019 - 8:11pm.

Insults hurtled were meant for the person knocking one of my heroes. Heard the soy boy comment from John and Ken mentioning their trips to whole foods and seeing skinny guys afraid of gluten and lamenting that if WW2 were today, we'd lose. But totally beside the point and yet an unintended consequence of my poor choice of ways to illustrate the irony of Brian criticizing Perot.

Let's look at his resume. Boy scout to Eagle Scout in 13 months and recipient of the DESA award.

Junior college to the Naval Academy (not an easy route) and while there he was a brigade commander and one of the few people that helped establich the honor code in the academy.

My favorite accomplishment was when two of his employees were take hostage in Iran, he paid for and attended their rescue mission by hiring retired special forces veterans. Now that is how a leader of company should treat their employees, he sent them there and he got them back.

Lastly I liked his ideas, he didn't fit into either party, he was a social liberal and fiscal conservative, a belief system without a party that I still cling to. He was pro choice, believed in federal support for planned parenthood, stricter gun control( but not total gun control and a ban on assault weapons, supported gay rights and more aids research (in 1992 in Texas he was on his own island). He was a fiscal hawk and only supported raising taxes if spending was cut as well with all proceeds going to the debt. He was against NAFTA as he felt jobs would be lost to Mexico and he din't like foreign wars.

The man has been dead for a short time, he was a good person, and our two party system prevents some of these good people from standing a chance.

Submitted by spdrun on July 12, 2019 - 8:31pm.

Ross Perot wasn't a social liberal. He said he'd cordon off sections of cities and search house-to-house for drugs, then give everyone in possession long sentences (even for marijuana). He wanted to increase police's ability to do warrantless searches and wiretaps. He claimed to not want to hire drinkers.

He was moderately authoritarian socially even for his time. Thankfully, he didn't win, and I'm certainly not mourning him.

Submitted by temeculaguy on July 13, 2019 - 12:39am.

And you left out that he said drug treatment should be free and available to all.

Sometimes I wonder why I even try sometimes, you win, my heroes are bad, yours are good. But I will mourn mine. I don't need company, carry on, I hope you get the government you deserve.

Submitted by spdrun on July 13, 2019 - 8:19am.

Treatment is good, but not all users are a problem. Drug treatment should be available, but recreational use should also not be criminalized.

And what about his idea of cordoning off parts of US cities, kicking down doors, and searching house-to-house. Is that acceptable or Constitutional in your book?

Submitted by flu on July 13, 2019 - 1:42pm.

temeculaguy wrote:
And you left out that he said drug treatment should be free and available to all.

Sometimes I wonder why I even try sometimes, you win, my heroes are bad, yours are good. But I will mourn mine. I don't need company, carry on, I hope you get the government you deserve.

We lost two guys I really like....

Ross Perot and John McCain.

I never thought I'd say this.. But Nancy Pelosi isn't as bad as I use to think...100x better than AOC fringes....

I don't know. I think the Democrat party is on the verge of a breakup and splintering. And that might be a great thing.

I'm hoping a lot of a moderates bailout on this party and a lot of moderates that bailed out of the republican party can find something the rally under and leave this extremes on the both side once and for all. AOC, Warren, Bernie, Harris, can keep the old democrat party...But they might as well change the party name to the American Socialist Party at that point....I think both parties really stopped representing most americans once the extreme wackos started taking over.

Submitted by spdrun on July 13, 2019 - 6:04pm.

Because ideas that work everywhere else in the world, like cheap/free public postsecondary education, infrastructure spending vs military waste, and universal (or nearly so) healthcare are too good for Americans. LOL!

McCain was a warmongering little prick. Not mourning him either.

Submitted by svelte on July 13, 2019 - 10:08pm.

flu wrote:

I'm hoping a lot of a moderates bailout on this party and a lot of moderates that bailed out of the republican party can find something the rally under and leave this extremes on the both side once and for all. AOC, Warren, Bernie, Harris, can keep the old democrat party...But they might as well change the party name to the American Socialist Party at that point....I think both parties really stopped representing most americans once the extreme wackos started taking over.

I would agree with that. We need a new party. Neither the Dems or the Reps are anything close to my flavor or most of my friend's flavor. Extremists in both of those parties.

And both of those parties are throwing out the moderates. That's why the number of folks registering as undeclared are growing. I've been that way since I started to vote. Glad to see many are joining me.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 13, 2019 - 11:15pm.

Ross Perot economics was wacko. He commits the fallacy of paradox of thrift.

Perot was a military type prick. We would have had an American version of apartheid had he been elected. He redneck followers would get treatment for drugs addiction but others would live in cordoned off cities.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 13, 2019 - 11:31pm.

flu wrote:

I don't know. I think the Democrat party is on the verge of a breakup and splintering. And that might be a great thing.

I'm hoping a lot of a moderates bailout on this party and a lot of moderates that bailed out of the republican party can find something the rally under and leave this extremes on the both side once and for all. AOC, Warren, Bernie, Harris, can keep the old democrat party...But they might as well change the party name to the American Socialist Party at that point....I think both parties really stopped representing most americans once the extreme wackos started taking over.

Really flu? You need to read some Descartes and think logically.

Remember supply and demand? Republicans like to say that Democrats want “free stuff”. And democratic leaders like Bernie and AOC promise to deliver “free stuff”. Highly rational demand and supply. Nothing wacko about that.

Republicans are all about nationalism, nativism, badass military adventurism, etc... Except for the rich, Republican voters get no economic return. I’m talking about the wacko Trump supporters in the dying industrial towns and rural areas.

Submitted by Hobie on July 14, 2019 - 4:21am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Republicans are all about nationalism, nativism, badass military adventurism, etc...

You left out: Manspreading.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 14, 2019 - 10:23am.

temeculaguy wrote:
Insults hurtled were meant for the person knocking one of my heroes. Heard the soy boy comment from John and Ken mentioning their trips to whole foods and seeing skinny guys afraid of gluten and lamenting that if WW2 were today, we'd lose. But totally beside the point and yet an unintended consequence of my poor choice of ways to illustrate the irony of Brian criticizing Perot.

I had no idea who John and Ken were. But google was my friend. I never listen to AM radio.
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/john-and-...

I’m a proud to be a soy boy or a girly man. I’m in better shape than my college friends have turned into fat asses with back pain and on prescription meds. I can do physical labor all day. Those guys have stagnated and haven’t grown intellectually.

The American notion of manhood is so fucked up and low-class — people eating BBQ and stuffing their faces with junk food, like the Carl’s Jr. commercial. Do people really aspire to this?

During July 4th holiday, I had the chance to meet Rear Admiral Larry Chambers who commanded the USS Midway. He’s modest and well spoken and intellectual. 90yo man who still walks 3 miles a day. Those are the real men who win wars and keep us from stupid wars. There is no need to be badass, the Trump way.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 14, 2019 - 10:37am.

scaredyclassic wrote:

soy boy?

ugh. right wing radio offensive language.

https://medium.com/@natzlily28/the-term-...

people function in the system we have. would way more people ride bikes if it were perceived as safer? yeah.

would they prefer not to commute an hour a day each way? yeah.

but its a car, military, commute, oil, obese culture.

the choices are limited by the structure in place

as for economic austerity would individuals be way better off if they didnt drive a car for a few years? yeah

https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/04/...

mrmoneymustache for president!

I’m not offended by soy boy. It think it’s funny that “real men” like to use childish nicknames. They are the ones oh so fragile and easily offended by perceived disrespect of their less than ideal lifestyles. They fail to realize the very notion of conservatism implies social disapprobation as a means to foster civilized behavior. Conservatism also implies self control and rigor. If science says eating hot dogs is bad, then, duh, stop eating fucking hot dogs! What’s wrong with shopping at Whole Foods? Capitalists should celebrate people who earn the money to shop there.

Scaredy, you bike from Temecula to San Diego. I don’t see any “real American” doing that.

Submitted by flu on July 15, 2019 - 11:00am.

Get out the China Pom Poms, Briansd.... lol...

As you always say Briansd, isn't China great or what!!!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/...


"Former national security adviser Susan Rice condemned a Chinese diplomat as "a racist disgrace" following incendiary tweets by the envoy.

In an apparent attempt to deflect international criticism of China's mass detention of Muslims and other religious minorities in the Xinjiang province, Lijian Zhao wrote a series of tweets this weekend that were seemingly meant to highlight flaws in the United States, including racism, gun violence and income inequality. Zhao referenced a joint statement signed by 22 countries last week in condemnation of China's moves in Xinjiang, where up to two million people have reportedly been detained in the camps and subjected to torture and forced re-education. He also mentioned a separate joint statement from 37 countries -- many of which with their own shaky human rights records -- which commended China for its "remarkable achievements in the field of human rights." He called this letter a "big slap on the face of US &its western cohorts."
In two of those tweets -- which have since been deleted -- the deputy chief of mission in Islamabad wrote that if "you're in Washington, D.C., you know the white never go" to the southeastern part of the city "because it's an area for the black & Latin."

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 15, 2019 - 11:23am.

A junior diplomat posted to a shithole country.

And what did Trump tweet recently?

Submitted by flu on July 15, 2019 - 11:54am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
A junior diplomat posted to a shithole country.

And what did Trump tweet recently?

Ah, so then you are ok with this in China..Basically, admitting Trump and China pretty much feel and act the same way.......And you are a racist, as I previously suspected.... Thanks for confirming it....

It's ok. It's been proven progressives can be racists too.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 15, 2019 - 11:51am.

about nicknames... i don't mind being soyboy.

Chihuahua, that's what I'll call Ross Perot. his small frame, short hair and high pitched bark remind me of a chihuahua. Since Perot hated Spanish and wanted English at the official language, a Mexican nickname fits him very well. Chihuahua it is!

Submitted by flu on July 15, 2019 - 12:00pm.

Hey Brian. How do you feel about Muslims and Uighur in Xinjiang? Pretty Trumpish of the Chinese government, right? Isn't the government in China great or what??? Pom-poms cheer... Go Brian Go!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...

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