Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country

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Submitted by zk on May 12, 2017 - 6:41am

For a long time I've been saying that the right-wing media is destroying our country. This is what I'm talking about:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/poli...

Republican voters, being human and therefore credulous and gullible, believe whatever they hear on Fox Propaganda (and Breitbart and the rest of the right-wing media). They support republicans and con man don no matter what they do, because Fox Propaganda tells them republicans and con man don are doing a great job no matter what they do.

As I've said before, I don't think right-wing voters are more credulous than left-wing voters or anybody else. The difference is that there is a massive industry dedicated to right-wing propaganda.

Sure, the left has some propaganda available. But there are big differences between what's available on the left and what's available on the right. Mainly Fox Propaganda, but there is a lot more. Fox Propaganda is propaganda masquerading as real, hard, actual news. And it's the go-to "news" outlet of tens of millions of Americans. The left has nothing like that. Many conservatives will tell you that all of the mainstream media is left-wing propaganda. This is because they believe whatever they hear on Fox Propaganda, which has been peddling that idea since the day they come on the air. And now, you have Breitbart and a thousand other "news" websites, all of which create an alternate universe where a right winger can find all the sources he needs to validate what he's hearing on Fox Propaganda. Many of them have moved past Fox Propaganda and now have Breitbart and similarly virulent right-wing propaganda sites as their go-to "news" outlet. They never want or see a need to read the New York Times or the Washington Post. Why would they read actual news when they have available to them thousands of places that make them feel great about themselves and their ideas? Somewhere where everyone agrees with them?

So now we have a president with fascist tendencies, and a congress afraid to stand up to him, because it will hurt them with their base, because their base loves con man don, and they can's see con man don for what he is because they're watching Fox Propaganda, which is telling them how great he's doing. He's in the process of eliminating governmental checks on his power. There's a good chance he'll succeed, because nobody wants to stand up to him, because that would be an unpopular move with republican voters, who think he's doing a great job because they watch Fox Propaganda.

What happens when you have a fascist president with greatly reduced checks on his power? Unfortunately, I think we're about to find out. And we have right-wing media to thank.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 4, 2017 - 3:52pm.

Flu, what i do I irrelevant.

Is Harvard selecting any student they want any different from you tutoring a student of your own choosing? Should the government be involved in the selection process? If so, why?

Remember, your answer will affect more than Harvard.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 4:00pm.

harvey wrote:

Nah, I let my asian wife handle disciplining the kids.

(Did I say that right?)

Doesn't matter. Now that I know you have an Asian wife you can say whatever you want. We call that the Race Card, similar to Street Cred... sort of.

millennial wrote:
The reason I call you out is because of statements like this.

"Like I said. If you really care about the disadvantaged, you would stop talking theory, and start volunteering. But I am guessing like many that talk about affirmative action and the disadvantaged, very few actual bother to lift a finger to do the real things that would make a difference."

[Lecture omitted for brevity]

No that was meant for flu. He wrote that.

harvey wrote:

So tell us, guardian of cultural sensitivity: Do you know when Americans stopped using the term "oriental" ..)

Honestly not sure, and really doesn't matter at this point. It's a term that many Asian Americans have a problem with and don't like to be called. I've heard oriental refers to things like rugs that originate from the orient. But like I said it's not the point. It's disrespectful.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 4:10pm.

[quote=harvey

Lighten up kid, and have a laugh:[/quote]

Trust me, I know how to lighten up. Just don't tolerate when people intentionally say racially ignorant things, unless of course they are Asian. Then they get the race card.

Submitted by harvey on August 4, 2017 - 4:19pm.

millennial wrote:
Just don't tolerate when people intentionally say racially ignorant things, unless of course they are Asian. Then they get the race card.

Uh, that doesn't really make sense. Was that a joke?

The Chappelle show may have been a little before your time, so I'll give you a pass.

But I'm sure you are constantly writing to record companies, addressing the constant use of the "N" word in song lyrics.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 4:28pm.

harvey wrote:
But I'm sure you are constantly writing to record companies, addressing the constant use of the "N" word in song lyrics.

Depends. If it's Garth Brooks I probably wouldn't be the only one. If it's Dre he get a pass. Heard he has an unlimited supply of cards.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 4:35pm.

harvey wrote:

The Chappelle show may have been a little before your time, so I'll give you a pass

Damn you watch Dave Chappelle and have an Asian wife? Nice now you can pretty much say any culturally insensitive thing you please.

Submitted by flu on August 4, 2017 - 4:59pm.

millennial wrote:
flu wrote:
The irony. Look in the mirror dude. You are part of the problem.

No people like you are the problem. You use rationale like "I help kids at my son's school" as support to an argument. Give me a break. Finally you agreed that the only reason is for ME, ME, ME. I think that's where we differ in opinion. This is not a Trump thing, or left or right thing, it's a selfish thing. Maybe it's a difference in culture, or the way we were brought up. It's OK, there are many many more people that feel and act the way you do.

Whatever dude. Like I said, enjoy the next 4 years. Congratulations on contributing to it. Things don't happen out of the blue. And, so long as you guys make your position a zero game for someone that doesn't fit your protected class, this sort of backlash will continue. Beyond just 4 years.

The problem is people like you polarize the issue completely your way or no way. In your mind and Brian's mind, if you don't embrace the all encompassing far left doctrine of everything that comes out of the progressive camp, you must be a a trumptard.

Well guess what? That puts people into choosing between picking the lesser of two evils in their particular situation. You far left progressives are going to cost the election for all the folks in the middle, because you ignore all the people that would be willing to compromise, because for you..it's all or nothing. You don't think it's a big deal because you don't mind others getting screwed over as long as it doesn't affect you. Fairness? Who needs that!

And conveniently absent. Brian after turning yet another thread into a progressive very everyone else slapfest.

All talk, no action. And if math and science and education is so easy as you state, clearly there's no need for affirmative action make up for the differences. Maybe just maybe there aren't people as smart and capable as you that think everything is so easy.

BtW. Affirmative action is illegal in CA. As it should be. Imagine that the most liberal state, and it's illegal.

But I have to admit, running into people like you talk about affirmative action does make me slightly less tolerant each time. Which is why up until recently I tried to ignore this thread. Again, and you are surprised middle America chose Trump?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 4, 2017 - 5:03pm.

Flu, i said good for you that Jeff Seasions is doing what you want. I don't think that his motivations are same as yours, but I guess the ends justify the means.

I just ask for some intellectual honesty. Why should the government get involved in the policies of a Harvard, a private organization?

Submitted by flu on August 4, 2017 - 5:12pm.

Whatever. If you progressives want to (incorrectly) label me as being narrow minded or whatever simply because I am against institutional discrimination (affirmative action), so be it. I guess given that we have the biggest bigot in office, I can't be worse than our presidential role model for the next 4 years. Maybe even 8, if you progressives keep it up... Then everyone loses!!!! Yee haw!!!!!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 4, 2017 - 5:21pm.

Flu, prop 209, the california ban on affirmation action does not affect Stanford. It has the same history as prop 187 during the Pete Wilson era, basically a deplorable racist, anti-immigrant time in California. Maybe you don't care about context as long as you get what you want.

Now, tell me again why the Federal government should get in the business of running private universities? I may well agree with you.

Submitted by harvey on August 4, 2017 - 5:32pm.

millennial wrote:
harvey wrote:

The Chappelle show may have been a little before your time, so I'll give you a pass

Damn you watch Dave Chappelle and have an Asian wife? Nice now you can pretty much say any culturally insensitive thing you please.

Hey, I like to laugh and I think now you are trying to be funny here, but maybe we just aren't connecting.

But it seems you aren't entirely joking.

Do you actually believe that there are different standards for ignorant speech based on the race of the speaker?

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 5:35pm.

flu wrote:
Whatever. If you progressives want to (incorrectly) label me as being narrow minded or whatever simply because I am against institutional discrimination (affirmative action), so be it. I guess given that we have the biggest bigot in office, I can't be worse than our presidential role model for the next 4 years. Maybe even 8, if you progressives keep it up... Then everyone loses!!!! Yee haw!!!!!

Dude now who's calling me overly sensitive. I totally agree with the removal of affirmative action. Affirmative action was created a while ago because the student body of public universities did not represent the makeup of the people that funded them, or the people they were supposed to serve (surrounding areas were composed primarily of a discriminated class). They created affirmative action (which I believe was necessary) to help those that were underprivileged. Obviously this no longer holds true and that is why it is not needed. This being said, all I'm saying is that admittance to top highly selective schools should continue to look at things outside of just test scores, which should also take into account an applicants socioeconomic well-being. Public universities, unlike private universities need to continue to serve a function that is beneficial to the public.

Although the definition of this may not be agreeable to both you, your son, and his friends; or for Trump; or for the richest who are much more able to control this. Personally I feel that the nation as a whole would be much better if people from all socioeconomic classes, and all backgrounds are represented in power. In order for this to happen, we need to make sure that public universities continue to serve this purpose.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 5:50pm.

flu wrote:
Whatever. If you progressives want to (incorrectly) label me as being narrow minded or whatever simply because I am against institutional discrimination (affirmative action), so be it. I guess given that we have the biggest bigot in office, I can't be worse than our presidential role model for the next 4 years. Maybe even 8, if you progressives keep it up... Then everyone loses!!!! Yee haw!!!!!

Dude now who's calling me overly sensitive. I totally agree with the removal of affirmative action. Affirmative action was created a while ago because the student body of public universities did not represent the makeup of the people that funded them, or the people they were supposed to serve (surrounding areas were composed primarily of a discriminated class). They created affirmative action (which I believe was necessary) to help those that were underprivileged. Obviously this no longer holds true and that is why it is not needed. This being said, all I'm saying is that admittance to top highly selective schools should continue to look at things outside of just test scores, which should also take into account an applicants socioeconomic well-being. Public universities, unlike private universities need to continue to serve a function that is beneficial to the public.

Although the definition of this may not be agreeable to both you, your son, and his friends; or for Trump; or for the richest who create admittance standards.

Personally I feel that the nation as a whole would be much better if people from all socioeconomic classes, and all backgrounds are represented in power. In order for this to happen, we need to make sure that public universities continue to serve this purpose.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 5:42pm.

harvey wrote:

Damn you watch Dave Chappelle and have an Asian wife? Nice now you can pretty much say any culturally insensitive thing you please.

Hey, I like to laugh and I think now you are trying to be funny here, but maybe we just aren't connecting.

But it seems you aren't entirely joking.

Do you actually believe that there are different standards for ignorant speech based on the race of the speaker?[/quote]

Of course I do. That's part of the Asian-American experience. Do you know why Dave Chapelle stopped his show after getting a lucrative contract with Comedy Central? It's cause he noticed that one time a white guy laughed a little too hard at his jokes. Communication is derived from context, intent and speaker. For instance, would it be different if your boss called you a dumb ass instead? Of course it would! You need to understand that for all intents and purposes historically minorities do not hold power in this country; whites do. From this perspective if another one of your coworkers calls you a dumb ass while drinking a few beers, it comes off a lot differently.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 5:43pm.

harvey wrote:

Damn you watch Dave Chappelle and have an Asian wife? Nice now you can pretty much say any culturally insensitive thing you please.

Hey, I like to laugh and I think now you are trying to be funny here, but maybe we just aren't connecting.

But it seems you aren't entirely joking.

Do you actually believe that there are different standards for ignorant speech based on the race of the speaker?[/quote]

Of course I do. That's part of the Asian-American experience. Do you know why Dave Chapelle stopped his show after getting a lucrative contract with Comedy Central? It's cause he noticed that one time a white guy laughed a little too hard at his jokes. Communication is derived from context, intent and speaker. For instance, would it be different if your boss called you a dumb ass instead? Of course it would! You need to understand that for all intents and purposes historically minorities do not hold power in this country; whites do. From this perspective if another one of your coworkers calls you a dumb ass while drinking a few beers, it comes off a lot differently.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 5:45pm.

harvey wrote:

Do you actually believe that there are different standards for ignorant speech based on the race of the speaker?

Of course I do. That's part of the Asian-American experience. Do you know why Dave Chapelle stopped his show after getting a lucrative contract with Comedy Central? It's cause he noticed that one time a white guy laughed a little too hard at his jokes. Communication is derived from context, intent and speaker. For instance, would it be different if your boss called you a dumb ass instead? Of course it would! You need to understand that for all intents and purposes, historically minorities do not hold power in this country; whites do. From this perspective if another one of your coworkers calls you a dumb ass while drinking a few beers, it comes off a lot differently.

Submitted by harvey on August 4, 2017 - 5:44pm.

Well that was gibberish.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 5:49pm.

harvey wrote:
Well that was gibberish.

Exactly, I don't think you are capable of understanding. Nothing against you, it's just something you need to experience.

Submitted by harvey on August 4, 2017 - 5:56pm.

Yes, it's about experience.

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 6:00pm.

harvey wrote:
Yes, it's about experience.

Uh oh here comes the age pass...i'm talking about the asian-american experience. Not gray hair experience.

Trust me it exists if you don't believe me, just google it.

Here is the definition from some e-mails on CNN.com.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/10/asian.h...

Submitted by harvey on August 4, 2017 - 6:02pm.

That is so stupid that you just killed the comedy in this thread.

Tell us more about the mean streets of suburban Detroit.

Where did you roll, Rochester Hills?

Submitted by millennial on August 4, 2017 - 6:23pm.

harvey wrote:
That is so stupid that you just killed the comedy in this thread.

Tell us more about the mean streets of suburban Detroit.

Where did you roll, Rochester Hills?

You're correct. Spending time trying to enlighten someone as dim-witted as you is a complete and utter waste of my time.

Submitted by flu on August 4, 2017 - 7:13pm.

Millennial, you incorrectly assumed I was getting on a high horse, by getting on a high horse yourself. And then you went off on the deep end.

Brian has a habit of posting extreme left leaning gibberish about how everyone else "should" solve social problems. I was merely asking when he was doing towards contributing to that. I don't give a rats ass how much I am or am not helping. because it was never my soapbox to suggest we "should go out of our way for the greater social good" to do anything like this...nor was I suggesting anything I do makes a difference. My only point is if people (like brian really feel this is problem that needs to be solved), there's little things he could do that would be constructive than taking opportunity away from other people, which is basically what a failed biased system like affirmative action does. If you read more into that, that's your choice and you're entitled to your opinion. I don't give a hoot.

Submitted by harvey on August 4, 2017 - 8:10pm.

millennial wrote:
Trust me it exists if you don't believe me, just google it.

We could have some fun with that one, but I'm heading out for dinner.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 4, 2017 - 8:23pm.

Flu, I think we should have good policies that lift up people and improve aggregate wealth.

Legacy and preferential admissions are a lot more unfair and higher in numbers.
Admitting C level Trump to Upenn is a lot worse than admitting B affirmative action Tanisha. You're barking up the wrong tree if you want pure academic merit.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 5, 2017 - 2:19pm.

So another Fox News star is a pervert. Oh well, so much for family values.

Submitted by flu on August 5, 2017 - 4:08pm.

http://almostblack.com/the-book/

"Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam, older brother of actress Mindy Kaling, committed racial fraud to get into medical school. Yet he did not admit his crimes until after the statute of limitations had long expired. Now Chokal-Ingam is going full frontal with his book Almost Black: The True Story of How I Got into Medical School by Pretending to Be Black.

17 years ago, Chokal-Ingam was a slacker and party animal who barely scraped by in college with a pitifully low 3.1 GPA. Yet like any Indian kid, becoming a doctor was his do-or-die dream. In between fun and games, Chokal-Ingam somehow reached the conclusion that affirmative action was his golden ticket to getting into medical school.

In Almost Black, Chokal-Ingam tells the story of how he scammed his way into medical school by exploiting affirmative action. He shaved his head, trimmed his long Indian eyelashes, embraced his black-sounding middle name Jojo, joined the Organization of Black Students, and checked the box marked “BLACK” on his med school applications. To his immense gratification, Chokal-Ingam hoodwinked 11 American medical schools into interviewing him and miraculously got waitlisted at the country’s third and fourth best medical schools.

While Chokal-Ingam obviously benefited from pretending to be black, he also experienced the trials and tribulations of being an African American. Fellow students ran away from him, cops harassed him, and store clerks accused him of shoplifting. The 22-year-old frat boy never expected that his college prank would turn into a social experiment that unveils harsh realities about racism in this country.

“I lied about my race to get into medical school,” said Vijay Jojo Chokal-Ingam. “But if you deny that affirmative action is racism, then you are a bigger liar than I will ever be.”

Submitted by sdduuuude on August 5, 2017 - 6:12pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Flu, I think we should have good policies that lift up people and improve aggregate wealth.

Who is "we" ?

Ivy league colleges are not public organizations. They should be able to admit or deny whomever they want for any reason without the gubmint telling them what to do.

The mindset of both liberals and conservatives is that they feel they have the right to use government to force everyone to behave the way they want them to behave. It is a basic assumption of both sides that I simply can't understand.

The entire country seems to have lost their minds in this regard - note FlyerInHi's comment that he thinks "we should have good policies that lift up people and improve aggregate wealth" as if "we" have the right to decide how Harvard chooses their students.

Arguing over whether or not affirmative action is effective is useless when the whole idea of telling a private institution how to manage their affairs is unethical.

Why not let each school do what they want and let the chips fall where they may ?

Submitted by sdduuuude on August 5, 2017 - 6:26pm.

flu wrote:

And lastly..Brian, people like you are exactly why Donald Trump won. A lot of people hate people like you that tries to create and "solve problems" by with easy "solutions", yet ineffective solutions that screw someone else over on the process and doesn't really solve the real issue, besides pandering to the least informed minorities that buy into your "solutions" that don't work. It's no different that.trimp pandering to the illinformed middle America.

And because of that, all of us have to put up with Trump for the next 4 years definitely and possibly 8 if you keep up shoveling the bullshit from the waco extreme far left.

Wow. Well said. It isn't the right-wing media that is ruining the country, it is because the left is so far out-of control that Trump and the Fox maniacs emerged.

The Republicans jumped the shark when Bush ended free markets to save free markets.

The Democrats jumped the shark when they lost to Trump.

Seems the time is right for a third party to me.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 5, 2017 - 8:26pm.

sdduuuude wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
Flu, I think we should have good policies that lift up people and improve aggregate wealth.

Who is "we" ?

Ivy league colleges are not public organizations. They should be able to admit or deny whomever they want for any reason without the gubmint telling them what to do.

The mindset of both liberals and conservatives is that they feel they have the right to use government to force everyone to behave the way they want them to behave. It is a basic assumption of both sides that I simply can't understand.

The entire country seems to have lost their minds in this regard - note FlyerInHi's comment that he thinks "we should have good policies that lift up people and improve aggregate wealth" as if "we" have the right to decide how Harvard chooses their students.

Arguing over whether or not affirmative action is effective is useless when the whole idea of telling a private institution how to manage their affairs is unethical.

Why not let each school do what they want and let the chips fall where they may ?

That's not what Flu is saying. Flu wants to force Harvard to admit more Asians on merit. He declined to provide his philosophical argument. Flu is not in agreement with your conservative reasoning. In this case, Flu wants to use the government to force private schools to change their policies. Lots of contradictions here.

I'm indifferent how the Ivy League admit their students. I simply feel that Trump supporters via Jeff Sessions are barking up the wrong tree; and the unintended consequences will be to their detriment.

BTW, the university of Michigan, a top public school just undid affirmative action. In 20 years, the ratios will be like UC San Diego. I guarantee you that it will not be kids of middle American Trumo supporters going there. Buy some real estate to rent to Asian students. Ann Arbor is a solid investment. You heard it from me first.

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