Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country

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Submitted by zk on May 12, 2017 - 6:41am

For a long time I've been saying that the right-wing media is destroying our country. This is what I'm talking about:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/poli...

Republican voters, being human and therefore credulous and gullible, believe whatever they hear on Fox Propaganda (and Breitbart and the rest of the right-wing media). They support republicans and con man don no matter what they do, because Fox Propaganda tells them republicans and con man don are doing a great job no matter what they do.

As I've said before, I don't think right-wing voters are more credulous than left-wing voters or anybody else. The difference is that there is a massive industry dedicated to right-wing propaganda.

Sure, the left has some propaganda available. But there are big differences between what's available on the left and what's available on the right. Mainly Fox Propaganda, but there is a lot more. Fox Propaganda is propaganda masquerading as real, hard, actual news. And it's the go-to "news" outlet of tens of millions of Americans. The left has nothing like that. Many conservatives will tell you that all of the mainstream media is left-wing propaganda. This is because they believe whatever they hear on Fox Propaganda, which has been peddling that idea since the day they come on the air. And now, you have Breitbart and a thousand other "news" websites, all of which create an alternate universe where a right winger can find all the sources he needs to validate what he's hearing on Fox Propaganda. Many of them have moved past Fox Propaganda and now have Breitbart and similarly virulent right-wing propaganda sites as their go-to "news" outlet. They never want or see a need to read the New York Times or the Washington Post. Why would they read actual news when they have available to them thousands of places that make them feel great about themselves and their ideas? Somewhere where everyone agrees with them?

So now we have a president with fascist tendencies, and a congress afraid to stand up to him, because it will hurt them with their base, because their base loves con man don, and they can's see con man don for what he is because they're watching Fox Propaganda, which is telling them how great he's doing. He's in the process of eliminating governmental checks on his power. There's a good chance he'll succeed, because nobody wants to stand up to him, because that would be an unpopular move with republican voters, who think he's doing a great job because they watch Fox Propaganda.

What happens when you have a fascist president with greatly reduced checks on his power? Unfortunately, I think we're about to find out. And we have right-wing media to thank.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 6, 2017 - 7:23am.

outtamojo wrote:
Coworkers says she was watching fox news and they said some kid got accepted to Stanford just for writing BLM on essay. She totally believed it, she being college educated also.

i thik that one might be true

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen...

Submitted by SK in CV on June 6, 2017 - 7:43am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
Coworkers says she was watching fox news and they said some kid got accepted to Stanford just for writing BLM on essay. She totally believed it, she being college educated also.

i thik that one might be true

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-accepted-stanford-after-writing-blacklivesmatter-100-times-application-n742586

I think you're promoting fake news there scaredy. The article is pretty clear, the kid did not get accepted to Stanford "just for writing BLM on [an] essay". His 'writing BLM" may have had nothing to do with his acceptance, and it wasn't an essay.

A more appropriate claim would be that Fox News may have taken a tiny piece of the story and turned into a central part, in order to enrage their viewers. Which is exactly what Fox News has been doing for decades, leading to postings on RE blogs claiming "Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country".

Submitted by scaredyclassic on June 6, 2017 - 9:48am.

SK in CV wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
Coworkers says she was watching fox news and they said some kid got accepted to Stanford just for writing BLM on essay. She totally believed it, she being college educated also.

i thik that one might be true

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-accepted-stanford-after-writing-blacklivesmatter-100-times-application-n742586

I think you're promoting fake news there scaredy. The article is pretty clear, the kid did not get accepted to Stanford "just for writing BLM on [an] essay". His 'writing BLM" may have had nothing to do with his acceptance, and it wasn't an essay.

A more appropriate claim would be that Fox News may have taken a tiny piece of the story and turned into a central part, in order to enrage their viewers. Which is exactly what Fox News has been doing for decades, leading to postings on RE blogs claiming "Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country".

wait. it was his college app essay.

its kind of a lame essay.

i looked at the foxnews article. seems similar to nbc. doesnt claim this is why he was admitted just describes essay and his surprise it worked.

doesnt claim he was otherwise unqualified. just that this was his essay

maybe essays dont matter. or maybe it was good and i just missed it.

conceptual art?

i just find the essay not persuasive or moving. but, reasonable minds can differ. also not sure it is technically an essay.

stanford app calls for an essay. pretty specific about what they want.

http://admission.stanford.edu/applicatio...

essays are loosely defined historically but im not persuaded this qualifies as an essay.

i suppose even a blank sheet could be an essay... a statement on minimalism in a consumerist society.

still, i like to see some more style in writing.

maybe the whole event in not newsworthy. just designed to stir up racial animus?

i think id disagree with that. i think its an interesting story. foxnews readers might be more inclined to infer he wasnt qualified but theres no info on that. clearly the kids smart. he knew his audience and persuaded them.

perhsps interestingly, the kids a rich bangladeshi muslim and grew up in the rather upperclass enclave of princeton nj. attends princeton day school [tuition is 33,430/yr for hs there!]. his website...

https://www.ziadtheactivist.com/about

very very smart kid.

kind of funny, somehow. ormaybe sad.

i listened to macolm gladwells higher ed podcasts on college admissions unsuvcessful attempts to recruit smart underprivileged kids... dudes brilliant, engaging and makes unexpected connections and intellectual leaps. much deeper than ziad the activist. altho not fair, ziads just a kid

http://www.openculture.com/2016/08/malco...

Submitted by outtamojo on June 6, 2017 - 10:26am.

SK in CV wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
Coworkers says she was watching fox news and they said some kid got accepted to Stanford just for writing BLM on essay. She totally believed it, she being college educated also.

i thik that one might be true

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-accepted-stanford-after-writing-blacklivesmatter-100-times-application-n742586

I think you're promoting fake news there scaredy. The article is pretty clear, the kid did not get accepted to Stanford "just for writing BLM on [an] essay". His 'writing BLM" may have had nothing to do with his acceptance, and it wasn't an essay.

A more appropriate claim would be that Fox News may have taken a tiny piece of the story and turned into a central part, in order to enrage their viewers. Which is exactly what Fox News has been doing for decades, leading to postings on RE blogs claiming "Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country".

You said it ten times better than I did. Feeling I got from coworker was that writing BLM was the ONLY thing that got him into Stanford. She then went on to say don't let your kids to Berkeley they will turn them into kooks.
All sad really, as I have known this person for 26 years now and she was in the beginning all kindness and compassion, now all I sense is anger in her. I blame fox news, they know their audience and how to persuade THEM.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 6, 2017 - 10:54am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
Coworkers says she was watching fox news and they said some kid got accepted to Stanford just for writing BLM on essay. She totally believed it, she being college educated also.

i thik that one might be true

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen...

The funny thing is that Stanford is a private institution.
I think right wingers feel that private organizations should be able to do what they wish including discriminate however they f'ing choose.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 6, 2017 - 11:16am.

outtamojo wrote:

Feeling I got from coworker was that writing BLM was the ONLY thing that got him into Stanford. She then went on to say don't let your kids to Berkeley they will turn them into kooks.
All sad really, as I have known this person for 26 years now and she was in the beginning all kindness and compassion, now all I sense is anger in her. I blame fox news, they know their audience and how to persuade THEM.

Did you ever meet the husband?
My experience is that right-wing women have right wing husbands. It's the loyalty thing.
Fox News got to your woman colleague through her husband.

Sad to say but right-wing women don't believe in equal lib. They happily submit to their husbands, husbands who are too insecure to have self-sufficient wives.

Ha, don't let your kids go to Berkeley! More likely, her kids aren't smart enough to get in.

The bitterness and insecuty cause people to seize on ah ha news to prove that they are being screwed by minorities and elitists who favor furiners over real Americans. It's easier to think this way than to improve themselves. Fox News feeds them the news so that everyday they can go "ah ha, see, see they are screwing us of what is rightfully ours."

Submitted by outtamojo on June 6, 2017 - 1:22pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
outtamojo wrote:

Feeling I got from coworker was that writing BLM was the ONLY thing that got him into Stanford. She then went on to say don't let your kids to Berkeley they will turn them into kooks.
All sad really, as I have known this person for 26 years now and she was in the beginning all kindness and compassion, now all I sense is anger in her. I blame fox news, they know their audience and how to persuade THEM.

Did you ever meet the husband?
My experience is that right-wing women have right wing husbands. It's the loyalty thing.
Fox News got to your woman colleague through her husband.

Sad to say but right-wing women don't believe in equal lib. They happily submit to their husbands, husbands who are too insecure to have self-sufficient wives.

Ha, don't let your kids go to Berkeley! More likely, her kids aren't smart enough to get in.

The bitterness and insecuty cause people to seize on ah ha news to prove that they are being screwed by minorities and elitists who favor furiners over real Americans. It's easier to think this way than to improve themselves. Fox News feeds them the news so that everyday they can go "ah ha, see, see they are screwing us of what is rightfully ours."

They got their hooks into her not thru her hubby but with their diatribes about religious freedom and persecution of christians.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 8, 2017 - 12:52pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
SK in CV wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
Coworkers says she was watching fox news and they said some kid got accepted to Stanford just for writing BLM on essay. She totally believed it, she being college educated also.

i thik that one might be true

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/teen-accepted-stanford-after-writing-blacklivesmatter-100-times-application-n742586

I think you're promoting fake news there scaredy. The article is pretty clear, the kid did not get accepted to Stanford "just for writing BLM on [an] essay". His 'writing BLM" may have had nothing to do with his acceptance, and it wasn't an essay.

A more appropriate claim would be that Fox News may have taken a tiny piece of the story and turned into a central part, in order to enrage their viewers. Which is exactly what Fox News has been doing for decades, leading to postings on RE blogs claiming "Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country".

wait. it was his college app essay.

its kind of a lame essay.

i looked at the foxnews article. seems similar to nbc. doesnt claim this is why he was admitted just describes essay and his surprise it worked.

doesnt claim he was otherwise unqualified. just that this was his essay

maybe essays dont matter. or maybe it was good and i just missed it.

conceptual art?

i just find the essay not persuasive or moving. but, reasonable minds can differ. also not sure it is technically an essay.

stanford app calls for an essay. pretty specific about what they want.

http://admission.stanford.edu/applicatio...

essays are loosely defined historically but im not persuaded this qualifies as an essay.

i suppose even a blank sheet could be an essay... a statement on minimalism in a consumerist society.

still, i like to see some more style in writing.

maybe the whole event in not newsworthy. just designed to stir up racial animus?

i think id disagree with that. i think its an interesting story. foxnews readers might be more inclined to infer he wasnt qualified but theres no info on that. clearly the kids smart. he knew his audience and persuaded them.

perhsps interestingly, the kids a rich bangladeshi muslim and grew up in the rather upperclass enclave of princeton nj. attends princeton day school [tuition is 33,430/yr for hs there!]. his website...

https://www.ziadtheactivist.com/about

very very smart kid.

kind of funny, somehow. ormaybe sad.

i listened to macolm gladwells higher ed podcasts on college admissions unsuvcessful attempts to recruit smart underprivileged kids... dudes brilliant, engaging and makes unexpected connections and intellectual leaps. much deeper than ziad the activist. altho not fair, ziads just a kid

http://www.openculture.com/2016/08/malco...

Scaredy, I love your take on things.... The kid is very smart for sure. He was accepted to Yale and Princeton in addition to Standford.

I would be interested in your take on why racial animus would be stirred among Fox viewers.

Aren't those private schools like "private clubs" that should be able to act at their pleasure. At least that's what conservatives normally believe; and that would make the facts that the student is muslim and wrote BLM totally irrelevant. Should a private school be able to admit a Christian student who writes "America First"?

Submitted by harvey on June 27, 2017 - 1:03pm.

Just when it seemed we've reached the limits of irony:

Trump golf clubs displaying fake Time magazine cover

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-r...

Submitted by ocrenter on June 30, 2017 - 6:51am.

harvey wrote:
Just when it seemed we've reached the limits of irony:

Trump golf clubs displaying fake Time magazine cover

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/339694-trump-golf-clubs-displaying-fake-time-magazine-cover

But 38% of America doesn't see the irony. They see this as just another attack on their president.

And these 38% are "more American" then you and I because their votes are weighted more.

Submitted by harvey on June 30, 2017 - 11:16am.

When I was 10 years old I had a fake Sports Illustrated cover with me in my little leauge baseball uniform.

Submitted by no_such_reality on June 30, 2017 - 4:08pm.

ocrenter wrote:

But 38% of America doesn't see the irony. They see this as just another attack on their president.
.

I don't know what they see. I get the irony, but really, this is just non-story. That's the problem. Bang, bang, bang, beat the trite drum.

I get it, he's vain, a bully, fake newsies and for ___ sake can someone on his staff please slap the twitter feed out of his hand.

The media is harping on it, all the left leaning facebook groups and jumping and howling, but it's just trite crap.

Yes, IMO he's shaping up to be a miserable President and even worse representation of humanity, but frankly the way his opponents behave is leaving little assurance that they'll be any better other than they won't be a 70+ year old apparent bigot. It'd just be a different more PC tyranny.

Submitted by harvey on June 30, 2017 - 4:23pm.

no_such_reality wrote:
Yes, IMO he's shaping up to be a miserable President and even worse representation of humanity, but frankly the way his opponents behave is leaving little assurance that they'll be any better other than they won't be a 70+ year old apparent bigot. It'd just be a different more PC tyranny.

Yes, another one of your false equivalence claims comparing the most powerful person on earth with whatever posts show up on your facebook feed.

It's hilarious how it all goes right over your head.

And it's sad that it's exactly how this clown got elected.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 30, 2017 - 4:54pm.

Harvey, it's called what-about-ism. The president of the USA can point to whoever common else and say "what about him". The base in West Virginia accepts that. No wonder they are the most opiod addicted place in the country.

Submitted by harvey on June 30, 2017 - 5:38pm.

One day last week there were several key developments in the health care legislation that would impact the health and finances of tens of millions of Americans.

On that same day the top headline on FoxNews.com was about the Obama family's "lavish vacations."

But remember that "the media" that is "just as bad" as Trump is not the multibillion dollar NewsCorp - It's the people that chose to poke fun at the absurd irony in Trump's ridiculously childish (and even a bit creepy) fake magazine cover.

Yep, both sides are the same.

Submitted by zk on June 30, 2017 - 6:11pm.

Nestled in this story

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...

about republicans being in danger of becoming the party of putin is this little nugget:

Behind their neglect are changing Republican voter opinions, which are becoming alarmingly more pro-Russian. According to a Morning Consult-Politico poll conducted in May, 49 percent of Republican voters consider Russia to be either an ally or friendly. Only 12 percent consider it an enemy. In 2015, only 12 percent of Republicans held a favorable view of Russian President Vladimir Putin, according to Gallup. As of February, that figure had jumped to 32 percent.

Honestly, does anybody think those numbers would be like that if it weren't for fox propaganda? Does anyone think that if Hillary played the same cards that con man don has played regarding Russia that fox propaganda would've reported it the same? And that those numbers would look like that?

Right wingers are being taken for a ride, and they have no idea.

Submitted by ocrenter on June 30, 2017 - 7:05pm.

Interesting how with a couple of tweets no one is talking about the failed hugely unpopular senate health care bill any more.

The guy's timing is impeccable.

Submitted by SK in CV on June 30, 2017 - 7:26pm.

ocrenter wrote:
Interesting how with a couple of tweets no one is talking about the failed hugely unpopular senate health care bill any more.

The guy's timing is impeccable.

Except Trump. He tweeted about it this morning. McConnell had already sent the Senate home for recess Thursday morning.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 30, 2017 - 8:30pm.

Zk, watch Oliver Stone's Putin interviews. The hinterland American is very much the same as the hinterland Russian. Uneducated, nationalistic, substance addicted.

Submitted by ocrenter on June 30, 2017 - 9:22pm.

SK in CV wrote:
ocrenter wrote:
Interesting how with a couple of tweets no one is talking about the failed hugely unpopular senate health care bill any more.

The guy's timing is impeccable.

Except Trump. He tweeted about it this morning. McConnell had already sent the Senate home for recess Thursday morning.

True. Except he just called for complete repel first, another reversal of prior position, a reversal that would leave 32 million uninsured.

How many Americans heard that story today in the middle of his little cyber bullying stunt?

Submitted by SK in CV on June 30, 2017 - 9:51pm.

ocrenter wrote:

True. Except he just called for complete repel first, another reversal of prior position, a reversal that would leave 32 million uninsured.

How many Americans heard that story today in the middle of his little cyber bullying stunt?

Cable news covered it a bit. I was watching somebody this afternoon, and they had a GOP consultant on, who complained a bit that the media covered the wrong things. Then she was asked what the WH actually wanted in a health care bill. Her response? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The WH has no policies. But whatever it is, it's good. The best.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 1, 2017 - 10:47am.

no_such_reality wrote:

It'd just be a different more PC tyranny.

I wonder what PC tyranny is.

Isn't PC another word for polite, educated, sophisticated, civilized?

I don't think that in a civilized society we can let all the basest human instincts ooze out all over the place. I remember going to church when little, and it's pretty PC there. You have to dress your best and act your best.

Submitted by harvey on July 1, 2017 - 11:22am.

Top headline on FoxNews.com at the time of this posting:

'WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE?' Trump slams states refusing to comply with voter information

And of course there's a Trump tweet:

Numerous states are refusing to give information to the very distinguished VOTER FRAUD PANEL. What are they trying to hide?

From the article:

White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Friday blasted the decision by some governors and secretaries of state not to comply.

"I think that that's mostly about a political stunt," she told reporters at a White House briefing.

Yes, she actually used the term "political stunt."

But there is some wisdom offered from Mississippi:

They can go jump in the Gulf of Mexico, and Mississippi is a great state to launch from. … Mississippi residents should celebrate Independence Day and our state's right to protect the privacy of our citizens by conducting our own electoral processes."

How long before Trump tweets that he's "proven" voter fraud?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 1, 2017 - 3:36pm.

Voter fraud is part of the narrative. The Trump base likes to blame others for their loss of status. They think that the establishment is conspiring with minorities and immigrants to take America away from them.

Rather than getting off their asses pulling themselves up by the bootstraps, they like blame others.

Submitted by zk on July 1, 2017 - 8:17pm.

no_such_reality wrote:

I don't know what they see. I get the irony, but really, this is just non-story. That's the problem. Bang, bang, bang, beat the trite drum.

I get it, he's vain, a bully, fake newsies and for ___ sake can someone on his staff please slap the twitter feed out of his hand.

The media is harping on it, all the left leaning facebook groups and jumping and howling, but it's just trite crap.

Yes, IMO he's shaping up to be a miserable President and even worse representation of humanity, but frankly the way his opponents behave is leaving little assurance that they'll be any better other than they won't be a 70+ year old apparent bigot. It'd just be a different more PC tyranny.

First of all, to say that it's a non-story is to be willing to ignore further evidence that our president has flawed character, and to be willing to overlook his astounding hypocrisy. That kind of willful ignorance belongs in North Korea. Is it the scandal of the century? No. Is it a story? Of course it is.

But there's also this: Left-leaning facebook groups are jumping and howling. Not the NYT or WAPO. They reported it in a straightforward manner, and WAPO connected it to President Dunning-Kruger's long-established pattern of exaggerating his own merits. If Clinton were president and she pulled this stunt, it would be fox propaganda that would be jumping and howling. It would be the scandal of the century. And they sure as hell wouldn't have ended their article with this, as they did with their article on president dipshit:

Ironically, though, Donald Trump has appeared on 14 bona fide Time magazine covers since 1989.

People think that fox propaganda is news. That's the problem. That's how we ended up with president snowflake, crying every time somebody tells the truth about him. And that's how we're going to end up poorer, sicker, weaker, and with less standing in the world. People believing the bullshit they hear on fox propaganda and voting based on what they've been manipulated and disinformed to believe.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 1, 2017 - 10:37pm.

zk wrote:

And that's how we're going to end up poorer, sicker, weaker, and with less standing in the world. People believing the bullshit they hear on fox propaganda and voting based on what they've been manipulated and disinformed to believe.

That's pretty much why I have given up being American. I'm now a world citizen and care not so much about Americans but more about people worldwide who want to improve themselves.

ZK, the Tima magazine cover is hyperbolic artistic license. I think I'm describing it in a liberal elitist manner. I don't watch Fox.... wonder how did they defended it in a down to earth manner for real Americans.

Submitted by zk on July 8, 2017 - 10:56am.

It's even worse than I thought. Conservative ownership influencing local news. Here's Jon Oliver's piece on it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvtNyOzGogc

So it looks like many local news outlets, and not just the ones in president pinocchio country, are getting biased news.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 12, 2017 - 9:10am.

ZK, i think we are a country of very smart people at the top, but mostly populated by dumb people. That wasn't a problem in decades past because the world population was uneducated. It's a problem now because China has more middle class than we have people. Then India, then Latin America, then Africa.

We keep our people dumb at our own peril. Absent government intervention, pure economics and pure meritocracy require that smart people live better than dumber ones. Simple as that.

Submitted by zk on July 12, 2017 - 12:34pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
ZK, i think we are a country of very smart people at the top, but mostly populated by dumb people. That wasn't a problem in decades past because the world population was uneducated. It's a problem now because China has more middle class than we have people. Then India, then Latin America, then Africa.

We keep our people dumb at our own peril. Absent government intervention, pure economics and pure meritocracy require that smart people live better than dumber ones. Simple as that.

When you say "smart" and "dumb," I'm deducing that you mean "educated" and "uneducated."

If I'm wrong about that, you can disregard the rest of this post.

So how do you propose to educate the uneducated? If your past statements are any indication, you'd like to just leave them behind. That doesn't work, in my opinion, for a couple reasons. Number one, we end up paying tons of money to support them, and our economy is worse off. Number two, they vote.

And which uneducated do you mean? While there are lot of uneducated rubes supporting Pinocchio L'orange and the craven republican congressmen who won't stand up to him, there are plenty of college-educated people who have been manipulated into believing what fox propaganda is selling. So just a college education doesn't necessarily work.

How do you get a college-educated, intelligent person who swallows fox propaganda whole to come around to seeing that it's propaganda? How do you get an uneducated but intelligent person to come around? How do you get an unintelligent person to come around?

I don't know the answers to these questions. I'm not sure there are viable answers to these questions. I'm not sure the lack of answers to those questions won't lead to the end of the American position of leadership in the world, and to the end of American prosperity.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on July 12, 2017 - 5:54pm.

ZK, here's the answer:

You are the typical bleeding heart liberal. Too kind, too soft.

You're blaming the right wing media for ruining the country. Why not blame the people who consume the media. Don't they bear responsibility? After all, they themselves would agree that the individuals are to blame for their behavior.

As we have seen at the G20, American leadeship is already declining.

Yeah, prosperity will continue for smart people, not so much for dumb people. Dumb people need government intervention the most and that certainly is not forthcoming.

No need to waste energy on irredeemables anymore. Let the chips fall where they may.

At this point, I believe that the nation state is a 20th century anachronism. We don't need to feel affinity to Americans citizens who don't want to educate themselves. We should look worldwide to help people rise from poverty, people who then dedicate themselves to educating their kids. That's the future.

ZK, I agree with you, American leadership and prosperity will continue in some context. We just need to welcome new Americans who share our values. But America being number 1 at everything, for everyone is a myth of the past that Trump voters are still desperately hanging on to while they simultaneously ruin it.

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