Right-Wing Media are Destroying Our Country

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Submitted by zk on May 12, 2017 - 6:41am

For a long time I've been saying that the right-wing media is destroying our country. This is what I'm talking about:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/poli...

Republican voters, being human and therefore credulous and gullible, believe whatever they hear on Fox Propaganda (and Breitbart and the rest of the right-wing media). They support republicans and con man don no matter what they do, because Fox Propaganda tells them republicans and con man don are doing a great job no matter what they do.

As I've said before, I don't think right-wing voters are more credulous than left-wing voters or anybody else. The difference is that there is a massive industry dedicated to right-wing propaganda.

Sure, the left has some propaganda available. But there are big differences between what's available on the left and what's available on the right. Mainly Fox Propaganda, but there is a lot more. Fox Propaganda is propaganda masquerading as real, hard, actual news. And it's the go-to "news" outlet of tens of millions of Americans. The left has nothing like that. Many conservatives will tell you that all of the mainstream media is left-wing propaganda. This is because they believe whatever they hear on Fox Propaganda, which has been peddling that idea since the day they come on the air. And now, you have Breitbart and a thousand other "news" websites, all of which create an alternate universe where a right winger can find all the sources he needs to validate what he's hearing on Fox Propaganda. Many of them have moved past Fox Propaganda and now have Breitbart and similarly virulent right-wing propaganda sites as their go-to "news" outlet. They never want or see a need to read the New York Times or the Washington Post. Why would they read actual news when they have available to them thousands of places that make them feel great about themselves and their ideas? Somewhere where everyone agrees with them?

So now we have a president with fascist tendencies, and a congress afraid to stand up to him, because it will hurt them with their base, because their base loves con man don, and they can's see con man don for what he is because they're watching Fox Propaganda, which is telling them how great he's doing. He's in the process of eliminating governmental checks on his power. There's a good chance he'll succeed, because nobody wants to stand up to him, because that would be an unpopular move with republican voters, who think he's doing a great job because they watch Fox Propaganda.

What happens when you have a fascist president with greatly reduced checks on his power? Unfortunately, I think we're about to find out. And we have right-wing media to thank.

Submitted by zk on March 31, 2018 - 10:47pm.

Ralph Peters explains, more in-depth, why he left fox propaganda:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/w...

...as word spread that I would not unswervingly support President Trump and, worse, that I believed an investigation into Russian interference was essential to our national security, I was excluded from segments that touched on Vladimir Putin’s possible influence on an American president, his campaign or his administration.

Absolutely disgusting. And the brainwashed fools still don't understand.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 1, 2018 - 10:34am.

zk wrote:

Absolutely disgusting. And the brainwashed fools still don't understand.

Don’t blame the guns. Blame the people who use the guns.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on April 19, 2018 - 4:41pm.

So 96% of the Inquirer’s readership supports Trump.
That just confirms what we always knew about Trumpistas.
It’s no wonder they support 20th century steel and coal. I don’t see them having enough intelligence to work 21st century jobs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...

Don’t blame the press for making money. Blame the people who don’t have critical thinking. Let’s not enable those people and absolve them of responsibility.

Submitted by zk on May 10, 2018 - 4:17pm.

Prediction:

If gas prices spike due to unrest in the Middle East, right-wing media will somehow conclude that it's liberals' fault, and the brainwashed rabble that partake of right-wing media will fall for every word of it.

It makes me wonder how obvious their lying has to be before these idiots figure it out.

Submitted by zk on May 10, 2018 - 5:12pm.

These idiots are convinced that Mueller's investigation is unfair.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...

This country is losing its respect for the rule of law, and we have right-wing media to thank for that.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 10, 2018 - 11:27pm.

Zk, I'm glad you them idiot because that's what they are.

I watch Fox sometimes just do fun. Yesterday, I watched Laura Ingraham. She was trying to exonerate Michael Cohen for taking all the Russian money. Pretty hilarious.

Submitted by zk on May 27, 2018 - 7:39am.

Standard right-wing propaganda operation.

"Spygate: How Right-Wing Media Creates a Conspiracy Theory Out of Thin Air"

https://www.gq.com/story/spygate-conspir...

Submitted by svelte on May 29, 2018 - 4:08pm.

Lol @ roseanne

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2018 - 9:34am.

svelte wrote:
Lol @ roseanne

I think the roseanne situation illustrates just how ensconced in their alternate reality these propaganda-brainwashed nutjobs are. They really think that it's reality, and they don't understand that people in real reality see them as profoundly ignorant. I mean, if their "reality" was real, why would anybody be upset when they tweeted about what, in their world, is true?

In their "reality," comparing black people to apes is de rigueur. Believing in wacky conspiracy theories is normal. These things aren't questioned in their "reality," they're applauded. How many times do you think roseanne has seen a tweet or an article in the right-wing nut-o-sphere that was vile and racist and yet was ignored by the mainstream (because it was from some nobody) and was met with nothing but support from similar-minded people? She probably thought, "yeah, this will get some LOLs and some retweets, just like I always see these things get." Not understanding that there is a real world out there that she is a part of and where these things don't fly.

When roseanne's character on the show was a trump supporter, that caused a lot of conversation and an increase in viewership. But it didn't really come with any condemnation. And why would it? You can vote for whoever you want. But I think she misunderstood this lack of condemnation for her being a trump supporter for a lack of condemnation for being the other things that frequently come with being a trump supporter. Like being ignorant and a racist and a conspiracy theorist and being ensconced in an alternate reality.

These people don't just think they're normal, they think they're righteous and strong. And the reason that they think they're righteous and strong is that, in their alternate reality, they are. And the reason that, in their alternate reality, they're righteous and strong is brainwashing by right-wing media.

And that's part of the reason why right-wing propaganda has such a strong hold on them and why they're so reluctant to let go of their support for trump. For them to let go of their alternate reality, they have to go from being righteous and strong to admitting that they have no strength and are of low virtue and that they've been ignorant all this time. That's quite a fall to take. Right-wing propagandists have them right where they want them, and they're not letting go without a fight.

Submitted by cvmom on May 30, 2018 - 9:57am.

zk wrote:
svelte wrote:
Lol @ roseanne

I think the roseanne situation illustrates just how ensconced in their alternate reality these propaganda-brainwashed nutjobs are. They really think that it's reality, and they don't understand that people in real reality see them as profoundly ignorant. I mean, if their "reality" was real, why would anybody be upset when they tweeted about what, in their world, is true?

In their "reality," comparing black people to apes is de rigueur. Believing in wacky conspiracy theories is normal. These things aren't questioned in their "reality," they're applauded. How many times do you think roseanne has seen a tweet or an article in the right-wing nut-o-sphere that was vile and racist and yet was ignored by the mainstream (because it was from some nobody) and was met with nothing but support from similar-minded people? She probably thought, "yeah, this will get some LOLs and some retweets, just like I always see these things get." Not understanding that there is a real world out there that she is a part of and where these things don't fly.

When roseanne's character on the show was a trump supporter, that caused a lot of conversation and an increase in viewership. But it didn't really come with any condemnation. And why would it? You can vote for whoever you want. But I think she misunderstood this lack of condemnation for her being a trump supporter for a lack of condemnation for being the other things that frequently come with being a trump supporter. Like being ignorant and a racist and a conspiracy theorist and being ensconced in an alternate reality.

These people don't just think they're normal, they think they're righteous and strong. And the reason that they think they're righteous and strong is that, in their alternate reality, they are. And the reason that, in their alternate reality, they're righteous and strong is brainwashing by right-wing media.

And that's part of the reason why right-wing propaganda has such a strong hold on them and why they're so reluctant to let go of their support for trump. For them to let go of their alternate reality, they have to go from being righteous and strong to admitting that they have no strength and are of low virtue and that they've been ignorant all this time. That's quite a fall to take. Right-wing propagandists have them right where they want them, and they're not letting go without a fight.

Great post

Submitted by NeetaT on May 30, 2018 - 10:01am.

My TV stays on FOX News. I tried watching MSNBC, but I could not take it. I guess I am a "right wing" advocate with maybe a few liberal views that I am wiling to give up for lower taxes, a genocide campaign against MS-13, pushing car-jackers into oncoming traffic, and getting rid of economy killing regulations.

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2018 - 10:23am.

NeetaT wrote:
My TV stays on FOX News. I tried watching MSNBC, but I could not take it. I guess I am a "right wing" advocate with maybe a few liberal views that I am wiling to give up for lower taxes, a genocide campaign against MS-13, pushing car-jackers into oncoming traffic, and getting rid of economy killing regulations.

Well, there's certainly nothing wrong with having conservative views. Of course, genocide is horrific. But that's another debate.

The problem is that Fox "news" isn't giving you an accurate picture of what's happening in the world. Are you ok with that? If so, why?

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2018 - 10:33am.

NeetaT wrote:
My TV stays on FOX News. I tried watching MSNBC, but I could not take it.

There are other options.

I can't watch MSNBC either. I can't really watch any television news. They spend so much time and energy throwing emotion at you. I just want to say, "Jesus, calm down. Just the facts, please."

Try reading the New York Times and the Washington Post.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 30, 2018 - 11:02am.

zk wrote:

Try reading the New York Times and the Washington Post.

And some foreign news outlets.

I'm a liberal but I actually like to read economic columns by Robert Samuelson.
If you are a real conservative and want to understand markets, you have to read economists. They deal in therory a lot, and are ivory tower, so conservatives don't like them nowadays. But they are scientists and study the markets.

I think the USA is prosperous because our politicians once listened to economists (Obama did). China is now run by economists and PhD engineers who advise the leadership. Their system is generating a lot of wealth because they got rid of the revolution peasants and elevated educated people. In the USA, we are enabling the pitchfork peasants.

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2018 - 11:13am.

FlyerInHi wrote:

And some foreign news outlets.

Concur. I read Guardian and BBC a lot. I'm looking for good non-British sources.

Submitted by zk on May 30, 2018 - 1:32pm.

NeetaT wrote:
My TV stays on FOX News. I tried watching MSNBC, but I could not take it. I guess I am a "right wing" advocate with maybe a few liberal views that I am wiling to give up for lower taxes, a genocide campaign against MS-13, pushing car-jackers into oncoming traffic, and getting rid of economy killing regulations.

Do you see the possibility that some of the views you hold might be based on lies? Lies that fox news is telling you?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on May 30, 2018 - 2:03pm.

zk wrote:
svelte wrote:
Lol @ roseanne

I think the roseanne situation illustrates just how ensconced in their alternate reality these propaganda-brainwashed nutjobs are. They really think that it's reality, and they don't understand that people in real reality see them as profoundly ignorant. I mean, if their "reality" was real, why would anybody be upset when they tweeted about what, in their world, is true?

In their "reality," comparing black people to apes is de rigueur. Believing in wacky conspiracy theories is normal. These things aren't questioned in their "reality," they're applauded. How many times do you think roseanne has seen a tweet or an article in the right-wing nut-o-sphere that was vile and racist and yet was ignored by the mainstream (because it was from some nobody) and was met with nothing but support from similar-minded people? She probably thought, "yeah, this will get some LOLs and some retweets, just like I always see these things get." Not understanding that there is a real world out there that she is a part of and where these things don't fly.

When roseanne's character on the show was a trump supporter, that caused a lot of conversation and an increase in viewership. But it didn't really come with any condemnation. And why would it? You can vote for whoever you want. But I think she misunderstood this lack of condemnation for her being a trump supporter for a lack of condemnation for being the other things that frequently come with being a trump supporter. Like being ignorant and a racist and a conspiracy theorist and being ensconced in an alternate reality.

These people don't just think they're normal, they think they're righteous and strong. And the reason that they think they're righteous and strong is that, in their alternate reality, they are. And the reason that, in their alternate reality, they're righteous and strong is brainwashing by right-wing media.

And that's part of the reason why right-wing propaganda has such a strong hold on them and why they're so reluctant to let go of their support for trump. For them to let go of their alternate reality, they have to go from being righteous and strong to admitting that they have no strength and are of low virtue and that they've been ignorant all this time. That's quite a fall to take. Right-wing propagandists have them right where they want them, and they're not letting go without a fight.

Great post.

Don't worry, people who think they are righteous and strong but misinformed will lose on opportunities, in the aggregate. They will be economically and culturally poorer. They will have their comeuppance.

The hypocrisy among the right wing is that they always said that private citizens and companies should be able to do whatever they like. Well, ABC is a private company. End of discussion.

Submitted by svelte on May 30, 2018 - 4:14pm.

I have difficulty in finding a news source that isn't very biased left or right.

This may sound strange, but I think mailonline.com does a decent job. One day they'll be bashing the right, the next day they'll bash the left. Same thing with support. Just never know what they'll agree with.

Another plus: a lot of times they'll have the full and deeper scoop on a US news story than US news outlets, and much sooner! I have no idea how they manage that...

But any time I'm frustrated that US news sites don't have enough details early enough, I hit mailonline.com and there is the whole story. It's bizarre.

Submitted by zk on May 31, 2018 - 5:17pm.

zk wrote:
NeetaT wrote:
My TV stays on FOX News. I tried watching MSNBC, but I could not take it. I guess I am a "right wing" advocate with maybe a few liberal views that I am wiling to give up for lower taxes, a genocide campaign against MS-13, pushing car-jackers into oncoming traffic, and getting rid of economy killing regulations.

Do you see the possibility that some of the views you hold might be based on lies? Lies that fox news is telling you?

I never get an answer to this question.

Submitted by svelte on June 1, 2018 - 8:08am.

I don't think Mr. "Grab'em by the pu**y" has any right to call for someone to be fired for saying "feckless c*nt".

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 3, 2018 - 11:38pm.

Robert Samuelson writes fair economics column, imo.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...

I was talking to a contractor earlier. Trump voter. Not fanatic but still Trump voter.

The right wing media does make people stupid by riling them up. For example, Trump voters hear him scream trade deficits, unfair, no reciprocity, blah blah. They get all worked up. They don't understand that the status of the dollar as a reserve currency naturally results in structural deficits. It also gives us more purchasing power and a higher standard of living. ugh... it's hopeless.

Submitted by zk on June 14, 2018 - 9:15am.

Trump actually said that the people of North Korea love kim jong un.

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if trump actually is that ignorant.

The people of North Korea love kim jong un in the same way that the people in The Twilight Zone love that kid who can wish them into the cornfield. "It's good that you killed your uncle and your brother. It's good that we're all dirt poor. It's good that you put my mother and sister in a torture camp. We love you, kimmy!"

And the ones who have fallen for the state propaganda... well, that's exactly what trump wants for himself. He wants to be "loved" by a country that either fears him or has been brainwashed to think he's great. That's why he attacks actual, reliable news media and props up fox news.

How do you think fox propaganda will report this?

How many Americans will now actually believe this because their only sources of "news" are fox, breitbart, limbaugh, etc. And those sources will somehow spin it into trump somehow not being either outrageously ignorant or a liar.

trump also said that his relationship with other G7 leaders is a 10. Jesus Christ. The same people who believe that North Koreans love kim jong un probably also believe that trump's relationships with Trudeau, Merkel, Macron et al. are a 10. Brainwashed fools.

It's dangerous and it's pathetic and it's disgusting. And it's ruining our country, because these idiots vote based on their alternate reality.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on June 14, 2018 - 12:04pm.

zk wrote:

It's dangerous and it's pathetic and it's disgusting. And it's ruining our country, because these idiots vote based on their alternate reality.

I'm glad you're calling them out.

But, we, as a country, have enabled the deplorables. We coddled them; and we waited too long to call a spade a spade. Shame on us.

I was talking to a new friend, a Jewish neighbor whose parents fled the holocaust. Hiltler didn't come to power on his own. A whole society enabled him within and outside of Germany.

What gets me is that Trump is selling prosperity. However, the best way to build wealth is to have an open, tolerant and free society full of immigrants and open to trade.

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