"Republican Scott Brown could save us"

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Submitted by NeetaT on January 9, 2010 - 3:56pm

"The bill's future is further complicated by a scheduled Jan. 19 election in Massachusetts. Some polls show Democrat Martha Coakley in a closer-than-expected race against Republican Scott Brown and an independent contender. The winner will replace Sen. Paul Kirk, who became the 60th member of the Democratic caucus when he was named to his seat as successor to the late Sen. Edward M. Kennedy.

A Republican upset would deprive Democrats of their 60th vote."

What are the chances? Please tell me he has a good chance.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 9, 2010 - 5:07pm.

Neeta: The simple fact that we're even discussing a Republican having a chance in a Massachusetts election should tell you something significant.

I can't recall seeing this many politicians, of both parties, hitting the exits.

While some, like Dodd, were expected; others, like Dorgan, were a surprise.

2010 elections should be veddy interesting.

Submitted by patientrenter on January 9, 2010 - 5:31pm.

NeetaT wrote:
...What are the chances? Please tell me he has a good chance.

The probability is 2%. No, wait, it's 1%. No, it's 2%....

I'd say the odds are low, NeetaT. (It's Massachusetts, ya know.) If you need some decimal points on the probability, I'll think about it some more.

Submitted by patb on January 9, 2010 - 6:05pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
Neeta: The simple fact that we're even discussing a Republican having a chance in a Massachusetts election should tell you something significant.

I can't recall seeing this many politicians, of both parties, hitting the exits.

While some, like Dodd, were expected; others, like Dorgan, were a surprise.

2010 elections should be veddy interesting.

be careful, the press loves a horse race.

Coakley is running a shit campaign.

Rahm is certainly doing a great job of demobilizing
the democratic base.

even if Brown wins, the house could pass the senate bill and that's it.

or Reid could grow a pair and stick a health care bill on top of funding for the troops.

Submitted by briansd1 on January 9, 2010 - 6:50pm.

Yes, the press loves a horse race.

But with unemployment high, the voters want Democratic ideas, not less.

We'll see... Those who predicted a neck-and-neck presidential election were proven wrong.

It's funny but some commentators are saying that Larry Reid's seat is at risk because of the negro dialect comment. That might work to his advantage when the real Americans in Nevada come out and vote.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 9, 2010 - 6:53pm.

patb wrote:
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
Neeta: The simple fact that we're even discussing a Republican having a chance in a Massachusetts election should tell you something significant.

I can't recall seeing this many politicians, of both parties, hitting the exits.

While some, like Dodd, were expected; others, like Dorgan, were a surprise.

2010 elections should be veddy interesting.

be careful, the press loves a horse race.

Coakley is running a shit campaign.

Rahm is certainly doing a great job of demobilizing
the democratic base.

even if Brown wins, the house could pass the senate bill and that's it.

or Reid could grow a pair and stick a health care bill on top of funding for the troops.

Pat: What strikes me is the complete cluelessness of both Democrats and Republicans.

Rahm might be doing a great job of demobilizing the Dem base, but the Republicans are matching him, stroke for stroke, when it comes to a lack of qualified candidates, unifying ideology, or even basic understanding of what the American public is seeking.

I listen to complete clowns like Limbaugh and Palin and Steele and realize that they are as out to lunch as the Dems are.

In a truly weird way, we may have moved into a post-partisan age, but only because both parties have shown themselves incapable of leadership.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 9, 2010 - 7:00pm.

briansd1 wrote:

But with unemployment high, the voters want Democratic ideas, not less.

Brian: Wait a minute, weren't you the guy that said ideas and ideals weren't important, but pragmatism was? You know, in response to the contention that Obama hasn't followed through on quite a few of his campaign promises, especially those dealing with the preservation of our civil liberties.

With unemployment high, the voters want JOBS. Screw ideas. Ideas don't put food on the table or pay the bills. Unless and until the Dems figure out the job problem, they're foursquare in the voter's sights. You're seeing this now, with the rapidity of Obama's slide in popularity. Whether its right or wrong, people are now holding him responsible for the state of the economy.

Submitted by sd_matt on January 9, 2010 - 8:11pm.

I wonder why Rush and Hannity are continuing to paint Obama as an ideologue when he is first and foremost a bankster crony.

Are they trying to prevent us from seeing the pattern lest we apply our lessons to the Repubs too? Either way it is indoctrination radio. It kills me that audiences give their ears to these pieces of crap and not more to people like Bill Handel.

Just thinking.

Submitted by patientrenter on January 9, 2010 - 9:32pm.

sd_matt wrote:
I wonder why Rush and Hannity are continuing to paint Obama as an ideologue when he is first and foremost a bankster crony.

Are they trying to prevent us from seeing the pattern lest we apply our lessons to the Repubs too?....

Bingo.

Submitted by poorgradstudent on January 9, 2010 - 9:53pm.

Brown's chances are greater than zero and a lot worse than 50-50.

I'd put his odds at somewhere from 5-10% right now. In an ordinary election a Republican would have zero chance of winning. But special elections about about turnout even more so than normal elections. Bad weather can discourage middle of the road voters. I guess we'll see what happens.

Submitted by afx114 on January 9, 2010 - 10:18pm.

Incumbents not seeking re-election:
House - GOP: 14 / Dem: 10
Senate - GOP: 6 / Dem: 2

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Who again are dropping like flies?

Submitted by Aecetia on January 9, 2010 - 11:23pm.

Rats abandoning the sinking ship of state. (Both parties).

Submitted by Ricechex on January 10, 2010 - 12:13am.

Allan, please stop bullying Brian. He does not get it.

Submitted by Arraya on January 10, 2010 - 11:05am.

sd_matt wrote:
I wonder why Rush and Hannity are continuing to paint Obama as an ideologue when he is first and foremost a bankster crony.

Are they trying to prevent us from seeing the pattern lest we apply our lessons to the Repubs too? Either way it is indoctrination radio. It kills me that audiences give their ears to these pieces of crap and not more to people like Bill Handel.

Just thinking.

Corporate cronyism, as a negative, does not play well with the GOP base. Because, really, that is the platform they usually run on. Fighting for the rights of the poor downtrodden multi-nationals who have been victimized by super powerful environmentalist and union lobbies.

If anybody should be pissed about Obama, it's the progressives because he is as "BAU" as you can get. Really, to the right of Nixon, when you think about it. Americans in their superficiality are easily tricked by words. Obama's flowery populist talk has much of the left feeling good and the right thinking that he is leading "green" factory worker revolts.

Really, if there is one factor that gives Obama so much support. It's the asinine talking points coming out of right wing radio.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on January 10, 2010 - 11:12am.

Ricechex wrote:
Allan, please stop bullying Brian. He does not get it.

Ricechex: I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. I think he gets it quite well, actually, but is unwilling to be intellectually or philosophically honest.

He'll freely accuse others of hypocrisy and bigotry, while practicing it himself. He seeks cover with words like "pragmatism" and "reality", but then throws out how Democratic "ideas" and "ideals" are meaningful, but never explains what those ideas and ideals are, or how they will be achieved.

I get sick and tired of Leftists tying up that tired old post-structuralist nonsense with a term that does have considerable meaning and resonance, like "liberal". Think Daniel Patrick Moynihan versus Teddy Kennedy. One was a truly liberal thinker and possessed of a social conscience and the other was a fat, drunk philanderer who rode the family name into oblivion.

Submitted by poorgradstudent on January 10, 2010 - 6:13pm.

afx114 wrote:
Incumbents not seeking re-election:
House - GOP: 14 / Dem: 10
Senate - GOP: 6 / Dem: 2

src

Who again are dropping like flies?


Senate:
Retiring Dems: Dodd (CT) Kaufman (DE) (Appointed when Joe Biden took over as VP) Burris (IL) (Appointed to Obama's vacant seat) Kirk (MA) (Appointed to temporarily fill Ted Kennedy's seat) and Dorgan (ND). I can see the arguement that only 2 Democrats who actually won an election are not seeking re-election.

Republicans: LeMieux (FL) (Appointed) Brownback (KS) (Supports term limits) Bunning (KY) Bond (MO) Gregg (NH) Voinovich (OH)

So, to split hairs, you can either put your counts at GOP: 5 DEM: 2 or GOP: 6 DEM: 5.

Submitted by Aecetia on January 10, 2010 - 6:25pm.

Right on Allan: Ted was a wastrel.

Submitted by sd_matt on January 10, 2010 - 7:20pm.

I'm inclined to say that Rush and Hannity will kill their credibility in the long run while giving rise to comparatively (and let me reemphasize the word comparatively) reasonable Glen Beck.

Or am I overestimating the listeners?

Submitted by NeetaT on January 20, 2010 - 12:42am.

We did it!!!!! I now feel optimistic about the future!

Submitted by Zeitgeist on January 22, 2010 - 1:55pm.

It is about HEALTH CARE MORON AND IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID. START LISTENING TO THE VOTERS!

"White House Senior Adviser David Axelrod incorrectly claimed that Republican Scott Brown "didn’t run one ad on health care in the entire campaign" against Democrat Martha Coakley. In fact, a Brown campaign TV spot attacking health care legislation ran heavily in the days before Tuesday’s Senate election in Massachusetts."

"During the interview, Axelrod said that he didn’t feel the election was about 'that one particular issue' and that 'there is a tendency in this town … to overblow things, even beyond their importance. Nevertheless, the administration gets the message sent by the outcome in Massachusetts.'"

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/axelrod...

Submitted by CA renter on January 22, 2010 - 4:06pm.

Zeitgeist wrote:
It is about HEALTH CARE MORON AND IT IS THE ECONOMY STUPID. START LISTENING TO THE VOTERS!

"White House Senior Adviser David Axelrod incorrectly claimed that Republican Scott Brown "didn’t run one ad on health care in the entire campaign" against Democrat Martha Coakley. In fact, a Brown campaign TV spot attacking health care legislation ran heavily in the days before Tuesday’s Senate election in Massachusetts."

"During the interview, Axelrod said that he didn’t feel the election was about 'that one particular issue' and that 'there is a tendency in this town … to overblow things, even beyond their importance. Nevertheless, the administration gets the message sent by the outcome in Massachusetts.'"

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/axelrod-wrong-on-health-care-ads-claim/

Zeit,

Those are Republican talking points. Right-wing republicans never would have voted for Kennedy, and those are not the votes that were lost.

From my perspective as a fairly left-leaning voter, the voters in MA were letting the Dems know that they are not happy about the way the bailouts are going. The bankers/capitalists have pillaged this country, promoting the offshoring of jobs and magnifying the wealth disparity exponentially. THIS is what the Democratic voters were trying to convey. We need to move away from letting the REIC run this country, and we need JOBS and legislation that will support MIDDLE-CLASS WORKERS.

BTW, you are aware that Kennedy was a staunch supporter of health care reform, right? The voters did not turn on the Dem party because of health care reform (though many are/were opposed to the insurance company give-away that is the current legislation). They want to see a stronger middle class and they want JOBS.

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