OT: Windows 10 on ARM... Gamechanger or hype?

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Submitted by Coronita on December 7, 2016 - 11:47pm

Seems like this time, it's the real deal, not a stripped down version of RT..

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows...

Also, seems like there's a demo version running on Qualcomm Snapdragon 820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_GlGglbu1U

This appears to be a full fledge Windows 10 ARM version running, not a stripped down Windows RT.

Mobile phone or tablets with enough processing power these days to run a full Windows 10...

Intel maybe in big trouble...

Submitted by an on December 8, 2016 - 12:25am.

Totally agree. This is a big hit to Intel and big boon for QCOM.

Photoshop runs pretty well in the demo on just the 820. The animation is pretty smooth too. This should be exciting to see it evolve over the next 2-5 years. I think it's a game changer. Especially for companies. Why buy your employee a laptop/desktop and a phone when you can just buy them a phone and just have a monitor/keyboard/mouse at every cubicle.

Submitted by NotCranky on December 8, 2016 - 7:49am.

AN wrote:
Totally agree. This is a big hit to Intel and big boon for QCOM.

Photoshop runs pretty well in the demo on just the 820. The animation is pretty smooth too. This should be exciting to see it evolve over the next 2-5 years. I think it's a game changer. Especially for companies. Why buy your employee a laptop/desktop and a phone when you can just buy them a phone and just have a monitor/keyboard/mouse at every cubicle.

That's amazing. I might not replace my home PC next time I need one if I can do that. Does that make sense ?

Submitted by Coronita on December 8, 2016 - 9:13am.

It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I'm thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS....
At least for tablets/laptops. If that's the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?

Submitted by spdrun on December 8, 2016 - 9:46am.

Laptop is one thing, phone is another. Find me a phone with 16GB RAM, swappable battery, and 1TB storage to avoid cloudfucking my data. No? I'll stick with my Thinkpad.

I'd consider an ARM notebook provided you can still turn the spyware in Win 10 off.

Submitted by an on December 8, 2016 - 9:55am.

NotCranky wrote:
AN wrote:
Totally agree. This is a big hit to Intel and big boon for QCOM.

Photoshop runs pretty well in the demo on just the 820. The animation is pretty smooth too. This should be exciting to see it evolve over the next 2-5 years. I think it's a game changer. Especially for companies. Why buy your employee a laptop/desktop and a phone when you can just buy them a phone and just have a monitor/keyboard/mouse at every cubicle.

That's amazing. I might not replace my home PC next time I need one if I can do that. Does that make sense ?

That's the holy grail, but I don't expect it to be mostly there until late next year or even early 2018 when MSFT release the Redstone release 4 or 5. They only demo laptop running on ARM. They have continuum for phone and the rumor is that for x86 apps, it'll run only in Continuum mode on big screen with keyboard/mouse, since x86 apps weren't designed to be touchable and on a small screen.

The Snapdragon 835 releasing early 2017 is supposed to be 25%+ faster than the previous version as well as being a lot more power efficient. So by late 2017 early 2018, QCOM will release their next version chip which should be even more powerful and more power efficient.

Submitted by an on December 8, 2016 - 9:56am.

spdrun wrote:
Laptop is one thing, phone is another. Find me a phone with 16GB RAM, swappable battery, and 1TB storage to avoid cloudfucking my data. No? I'll stick with my Thinkpad.

I'd consider an ARM notebook provided you can still turn the spyware in Win 10 off.

You're not their target audience. So, it's not for you.

Submitted by an on December 8, 2016 - 9:58am.

flu wrote:
It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I'm thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS....
At least for tablets/laptops. If that's the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?

I don't know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven't seen anything like this from Apple. They're heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.

Submitted by Coronita on December 8, 2016 - 10:15am.

AN wrote:
flu wrote:
It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I'm thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS....
At least for tablets/laptops. If that's the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?

I don't know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven't seen anything like this from Apple. They're heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.

Perhaps....

There was this suggesting that Sierra might support their ARM A11 Hurricane processor...

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/30/...

I don't think from an app developer, there's too much difference in the API's between iOS and those in OSX (where the later is a more restrictive set).

Submitted by an on December 8, 2016 - 10:24am.

flu wrote:
AN wrote:
flu wrote:
It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I'm thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS....
At least for tablets/laptops. If that's the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?

I don't know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven't seen anything like this from Apple. They're heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.

Perhaps....

There was this suggesting that Sierra might support their ARM A11 Hurricane processor...

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/30/...

I don't think from an app developer, there's too much difference in the API's between iOS and those in OSX (where the later is a more restrictive set).


I'm not sure if the APIs are at parity, especially when you're talking about UI API. Then there's also the fact that iOS app does not scale well because the API set is designed by a phone size screen. That's why you don't have as nearly as many iPad apps as iPhone apps, because it's not easy to just create another view for larger screen. So, the app developers would have to update their app if Apple allow iOS app submission into OSX. Microsoft have been working on OneCore with one set of API for a few years now. So, I'm sure if it's as easy as you think it is. Especially when you have to worry about backward compatibility.

Submitted by Coronita on December 8, 2016 - 10:42am.

AN wrote:
flu wrote:
AN wrote:
flu wrote:
It would be nice to throw a phone/tablet/laptop into one thing.

The other thing that will be interesting to see is what apple does. I'm thinking maybe they can run the full OSX on ARM now too and not have a separate iOS....
At least for tablets/laptops. If that's the case, would Apple drop x86 from their desktop too?

I don't know if Apple is even attempting this, because their iOS market is IMHO much stronger than their OSX market. So, it would be dumb to drop iOS. Which is why you haven't seen anything like this from Apple. They're heading down the patch of the two OS being aware of each other instead of combining into one.

Perhaps....

There was this suggesting that Sierra might support their ARM A11 Hurricane processor...

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2016/09/30/...

I don't think from an app developer, there's too much difference in the API's between iOS and those in OSX (where the later is a more restrictive set).


I'm not sure if the APIs are at parity, especially when you're talking about UI API. Then there's also the fact that iOS app does not scale well because the API set is designed by a phone size screen. That's why you don't have as nearly as many iPad apps as iPhone apps, because it's not easy to just create another view for larger screen. So, the app developers would have to update their app if Apple allow iOS app submission into OSX. Microsoft have been working on OneCore with one set of API for a few years now. So, I'm sure if it's as easy as you think it is. Especially when you have to worry about backward compatibility.

Good point...

Submitted by no_such_reality on December 10, 2016 - 9:16am.

Hmm, cast to TV for monitor. Bluetooth wireless key board and mouse at the desk and a NAS on the home network.

Bye bye $150 laptop, hello $1000 phablet-comp.

Submitted by spdrun on December 10, 2016 - 9:53am.

Haha. Casting is great if you like display lag. Pretend you're using a 1990s-era LCD panel where the pointer disappeared if you moved it too fast.

Submitted by Coronita on February 9, 2017 - 7:39am.

Intel might be in trouble for another reason too.... AMD....if these leaked prices are true...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleathe...

benchmark says the processors are comparable. Price looks 50-70% cheaper than Intel comparables. we'll find out in a few weeks.

Submitted by an on February 9, 2017 - 10:50am.

Yay for competition. Looking forward to all of these new chips powering new devices.

Submitted by Coronita on February 9, 2017 - 11:27am.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-lineup-pri...

That's gotta hurt (intel)

As if those figures aren’t mind boggling enough, this chip is listed at less than $320. Which comes in at one fourth the cost of its Intel rival, which regularly retails for over $1100. To put the enormity of this into perspective, you would practically be able build an entire high-end gaming machine around the Ryzen 1700 for the same money that would cost you just to get an i7 6900K chip on its own.

AMD’s highest performing Ryzen CPU, the 1800X will retail for less than $499. A piece of information we made public nearly three months ago in our exclusive Ryzen report. So we know that much hasn’t changed since November. What was a bit of a surprise however is the fact that AMD’s 8 core flagship will boost to a whopping 4.0Ghz right out of the box despite a frugal 95W TDP.

Submitted by Coronita on February 27, 2017 - 7:38am.

It's almost March 2nd when AMD's Ryzen officially debuts, and AMD Ryzen 1800x preorders from some etailers are already sold out....Overclocked $500 processor performing better than $1000+ Intel product... That's gotta hurt...

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryz...

The AMD Ryzen hype train can't be stopped. Not long after the upcoming CPUs reached the top of Amazon's best sellers list, the 1800X has apparently started to sell out at some retailers, including Amazon itself. But fear not--some retailers still have the 1800X and its siblings available for pre-order.
AMD opened pre-orders for the Ryzen lineup just a couple of days ago. Yet the 1800X is currently unavailable from Amazon, which doesn't know when it will start to sell the product again, and Newegg says it's out of stock. Both still have the 1700 and 1700X in stock, at least for now. That doesn't help the Ryzen hopeful looking for the 1800X, though, so where are they supposed to spend their hard-earned cash on the high-end CPU?

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