OT: Thief broke into our offices....

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Submitted by Coronita on February 24, 2012 - 9:24pm

We have pictures, we have 5-6 phone numbers of the numbers he called,

We've been waiting for 3 hrs for the cops to show up...

Why does it take so long????????????????

Submitted by Coronita on February 24, 2012 - 9:52pm.

Grrrr...

Submitted by an on February 24, 2012 - 11:12pm.

They're too busy giving tickets to people talking on the phone while driving :).

Submitted by CA renter on February 25, 2012 - 1:46am.

AN wrote:
They're too busy giving tickets to people talking on the phone while driving :).

Or too busy standing around and watching families, regular working folk, and homeless people with signs at OSD gatherings. Funny how they're never "too late" or "too understaffed" for stuff like that.

Sorry to hear about the theft, flu. Hope they get them and put them away for a long time. Criminals suck!

Submitted by Coronita on February 25, 2012 - 1:59am.

Well, they showed up. I guess they're understaffed. Nice folks.. I hope they get the dude.

Submitted by ocrenter on February 25, 2012 - 7:55am.

Are you serious? Someone is actually retarded enough to use a stolen phone to call all of his buddies and family? Should get a Darwin award for this.

Submitted by Coronita on February 25, 2012 - 8:32am.

ocrenter wrote:
Are you serious? Someone is actually retarded enough to use a stolen phone to call all of his buddies and family? Should get a Darwin award for this.

yes, I'm serious. But what's going to be more retarded is IF the police still can't get him... Which I think is a distinct possibility (although I hope I'm wrong). But after talking to the police, there are a lot of if's and but's that led me to worry.

This really should be an easy case, because we got pictures/videos, we got phone numbers 5-6 of whom he called, we even know the nicknames of the people he called because we dialed the numbers with *67 and got pretty much all his friend's voicemails..But you just watch. This guy probably will slip away....

Moral of the story...We live in a pro+criminal state where it pays to be a criminal. Good honest people/entities rarely make it out of the court system winning...

Thank you "liberal" california... Oh yeah, and trying to get hold of customer service on the cell provider to get the last call histories was fun too. Since the the people at the overseas call centers were as useful as a trying to talk to pre-recorded message. One thing is sure. When I'm done, I'm dropping t-mobile for good. Just because the overseas call centers suck... Never have an issue with verizon...

Really folks, if you ever get stuff stolen from you. Even if you have a lot of proof, the only way the perp is going to get caught and arrested is if you take the matters into your own hands and try to find the guy yourself.

The police are probably too busy with higher profile issues probably and the way our rules/regulations are, you can't easily access the data you need through traditional means... We've already escalated this issue, because of what was on the phones and laptops, so it's not just a petty theft at this point....Still, my gut feeling is it's going to take forever (if at all) before we see any progress. I hope I'm wrong.

Submitted by blake on February 25, 2012 - 8:31am.

Maybe he was just innocently walking along and your office got in his way. So, it's your fault.

Submitted by Coronita on February 25, 2012 - 8:36am.

blake wrote:
Maybe he was just innocently walking along and your office got in his way. So, it's your fault.

Yeah, and the office lock was just too easy to pick, so obviously it was the lock's fault too... Despite the fact we got him picking the lock too.

Submitted by Coronita on February 25, 2012 - 8:59am.

BTW: if any of you know how to do a reverse image lookup on facebook or myspace, let me know. I'm going to try to find this asshole myself and turn the info over to the PI.

I already tried google image and tineye... Any other suggestions?

I got the numbers and tried to reverse lookup those. I have some info on them, but most of them are cell phones....

The dude is a young dude by the way.

Wish I had a friend that was a cop at this point...It's not the equipment itself that I care about. I want the hard drive back because it had a lot of work that will take forever to recover. Timing is so critical..

Submitted by ocrenter on February 25, 2012 - 9:49am.

flu wrote:
ocrenter wrote:
Are you serious? Someone is actually retarded enough to use a stolen phone to call all of his buddies and family? Should get a Darwin award for this.

yes, I'm serious. But what's going to be more retarded is IF the police still can't get him... Which I think is a distinct possibility (although I hope I'm wrong). But after talking to the police, there are a lot of if's and but's that led me to worry.

This really should be an easy case, because we got pictures/videos, we got phone numbers 5-6 of whom he called, we even know the nicknames of the people he called because we dialed the numbers with *67 and got pretty much all his friend's voicemails..But you just watch. This guy probably will slip away....

Moral of the story...We live in a pro+criminal state where it pays to be a criminal. Good honest people/entities rarely make it out of the court system winning...

Thank you "liberal" california... Oh yeah, and trying to get hold of customer service on the cell provider to get the last call histories was fun too. Since the the people at the overseas call centers were as useful as a trying to talk to pre-recorded message. One thing is sure. When I'm done, I'm dropping t-mobile for good. Just because the overseas call centers suck... Never have an issue with verizon...

Really folks, if you ever get stuff stolen from you. Even if you have a lot of proof, the only way the perp is going to get caught and arrested is if you take the matters into your own hands and try to find the guy yourself.

The police are probably too busy with higher profile issues probably and the way our rules/regulations are, you can't easily access the data you need through traditional means... We've already escalated this issue, because of what was on the phones and laptops, so it's not just a petty theft at this point....Still, my gut feeling is it's going to take forever (if at all) before we see any progress. I hope I'm wrong.

You might be right. Unfortunately, the police will prioritize. They may simply feel this case did not have the monetary worth to spend manpower on. You have enough proof to catch the guy, agree about the PI. Maybe find out from the police if you do all of the leg work, would they at least have the decency to go arrest the guy.

Submitted by LuckyInOC on February 25, 2012 - 5:10pm.

Tell the police you were working on a program for the law enforcement pension fund and your hard drive had everyone's information on it. You will have more than enough help.

Lucky In OC

Submitted by paramount on February 25, 2012 - 7:34pm.

flu wrote:
I want the hard drive back because it had a lot of work that will take forever to recover. Timing is so critical..

No backups at all?

Submitted by kcal09 on February 25, 2012 - 9:26pm.

I would post the pictures you have online. I did the same and they caught the guy thanks a pigg who recognized the burglar.
See:
http://piggington.com/picture_of_burglar
http://piggington.com/burglar_identified

Submitted by Coronita on February 25, 2012 - 10:16pm.

kcal09 wrote:
I would post the pictures you have online. I did the same and they caught the guy thanks a pigg who recognized the burglar.
See:
http://piggington.com/picture_of_burglar
http://piggington.com/burglar_identified

I can't. The pictures are not my property, but belong to the company. The company is prohibiting me from doing this.

Submitted by ucodegen on February 26, 2012 - 3:38pm.

flu wrote:
One thing is sure. When I'm done, I'm dropping t-mobile for good. Just because the overseas call centers suck... Never have an issue with verizon...
If they are cells, and you have not disabled the phones, add "family locator" to the phone. There is a 1 month 'trial' period, during which the 'target' phone is not even notified. Then you can 'locate' the phone, sometimes down to an accuracy better than 15 meter radius.

PS: Nothing has to be 'installed' on the 'target' phones ahead of time. Is uses the control band and tower locating capability augmented by the phone's GPS if available. I've tested 'tracking' with the 'target' phones GPS turned off.

Submitted by ucodegen on February 26, 2012 - 3:25pm.

flu wrote:
I can't. The pictures are not my property, but belong to the company. The company is prohibiting me from doing this.
Are the phones your property?.. because the "family locator" can be added if they are.

Submitted by kcal09 on February 26, 2012 - 3:48pm.

Once you are able to get the names of the called people police will be able to interrogate them and find the thief. If they refuse you can hire a private eye to do the investigation.

Submitted by CDMA ENG on February 26, 2012 - 4:50pm.

The tracking won't be that accurate...

I would try to find the area in which the guy was calling from and then go look for you hard drive at the closet pawn shop to those calls.

CE

Submitted by ucodegen on February 26, 2012 - 4:56pm.

CDMA ENG wrote:
The tracking won't be that accurate...

I would try to find the area in which the guy was calling from and then go look for you hard drive at the closet pawn shop to those calls.

CE

Funny, because I tested it(real long story here). It uses the onboard GPS chips on the phone if available, otherwise the accuracy drops. Without GPS, it was about a 100meter radius or a bit more. Also depends upon whether the person is inside or outside.. phone in back pocket when sitting down.. or on hip when walking.

Half decent GPS receivers will get you within a 15meter radius when in open sky without any problems... and there are multiple manufacturers of single chip receivers.

Submitted by Coronita on February 26, 2012 - 4:56pm.

Unfortunately, the phones had my personal sim card BUT they were running a custom build without android market on them... In other words, not able to push custom software on it. Otherwise, this would have been easy.

I do know the numbers of that the dude called. And to make sure that the person really did call...He called the two people and talked for 4-6 minutes. The person(s) at the other end called him back and talked for another 8-10 minutes.

All the phone numbers he called and called him were mobile numbers...So I guess whoever his/her friends were are now an accessory to a crime???

Submitted by ucodegen on February 26, 2012 - 5:00pm.

flu wrote:
Unfortunately, the phones had my personal sim card BUT they were running a custom build without android market on them... In other words, not able to push custom software on it. Otherwise, this would have been easy.
You don't need Android market for it. The 'target' phone I tested was not a smart phone. It was an old Samsung that has GPRS. So long as the phone obeys the standard phone protocols.. it should be locatable. No push needed.

The locator was commanded from a smart phone though.. but that is the one you would have to 'locate' them with.

Submitted by Coronita on February 26, 2012 - 5:03pm.

You did give me a great idea. We have the IMEI, and we can report that stolen....

Imho, this really should be fairly easy to get the guy...

The company has pictures/video of this guy, and it's really clear. We have video of him breaking an entry. We have plenty of witnesses saying the dude was in the offices.

On one of the phones he stole from me, it had my personal sim card, which he made 5-6 calls from and received 5-6 calls from during the time....

This is as good as a it's going to get to catch the guy...short of the guy wearing a shirt saying his full name and address...I'm just wondering if the cops are going to nab him or is this going to be too petty to deal with...

It's really frustrating if they don't.

Submitted by ucodegen on February 26, 2012 - 5:04pm.

flu wrote:
You did give me a great idea. We have the IMEI, and we can report that stolen....

I wouldn't use it to block the phone until you've tried locating. For "family locator" to work, the target phone does not have to be a smart phone or have Android on it.

Submitted by Coronita on February 26, 2012 - 5:06pm.

Both phones I'm sure have long grown dead. Dude didn't grab the chargers and having either of those smartphones he stole last more than a day would be a miracle :)

The sim card I blocked, not the IMEI yet. I needed to have the sim card blocked and reissued so I can gain access to my call history, from which I found the numbers he dialed... Idiot...

Submitted by ucodegen on February 26, 2012 - 6:25pm.

flu wrote:
Both phones I'm sure have long grown dead. Dude didn't grab the chargers and having either of those smartphones he stole last more than a day would be a miracle :)

The sim card I blocked, not the IMEI yet.


Humm.. ok. Since the Simcard is now blocked.. no chance to use the 'locator' service. It is useful to keep in mind for the future. The moment it is stolen, if you have another phone (smart phone that isn't stolen) on the same plan, just enable "family locator" on the account (works on Sprint, T-Mobile) and you can then even display to the police where the phones are located. If you have online account management, you don't even have to call "India tech support." From what I remember, all it took was adding it to the smart phone on the same account that is in your possession (pref Android) via market, and then an acknowledge on your online account. If all the phones are stolen but you have the account info and are the person on the account, just add another smart phone and immediately start "family locator". The viewer interface for the "family locator" is on the smart phone, but it will track other types of phones than smart phones.

I assume that the police know of the numbers he dialed..??

PS: Took me a little digging, but the phone that was the "target" in the "family locator" "test" is similar to a Samsung C170.

Just thought of something. You might be able to get call history from online account management for those phones....

Submitted by earlyretirement on February 28, 2012 - 10:43pm.

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. Frustrating dealing with these types of things.

Just an idea and I'm not sure how valuable the stuff stolen is but you might want to try calling those numbers (his buddies) and offer a cash award for information leading to you getting your stuff back. Typically thugs like this don't keep good company and I'm sure they would probably turn on their "friend" if a significant cash amount is involved. Just an idea...

Submitted by Diego Mamani on March 5, 2012 - 1:03pm.

FLU, any news?

Submitted by jstoesz on March 5, 2012 - 3:27pm.

I had my car stolen in a nice residential neighborhood outside of vegas over thanksgiving, we were climbing in Red Rock Canyon. They stole thousands of dollars of camping and climbing gear, including my wife’s purse and checkbook.

Couple weeks later I get a call from a check casher place, asking if I wrote so and so a check. I told them I did not, and the employee told me they would hold their ID until the police could arrive. When the police arrived, the criminal was gone, but they had her ID and current address. They said they were going to arrest her and ask her where the check came from. She was a felon by the way. Well, to date they still have not attempted to arrest her. Even though they have her on camera and know her home address. Fact is, they don’t care about petty theft.

Police were very nice and answered their phones and stuff, but at the end of the day, they just don’t care. You get the feeling they are just pretending to do something.

Submitted by Coronita on March 5, 2012 - 4:31pm.

Diego Mamani wrote:
FLU, any news?

nope. Told ya! Crime does pay.,

Submitted by ocrenter on March 5, 2012 - 5:55pm.

Realistically, most of their work these days is paperwork. They probably have an algorithm based on value of the loss. FLU's whole hard disc full of work equals $50 value of the hard drive, which equals the 15 minutes spend on the filing of report. The paperwork has become more important than the actual police work.

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