OT: So who's going to get an iphone 3gs???

Submitted by Coronita on June 19, 2009 - 6:31pm
Yes, definitely.
41% (18 votes)
No, way. It's called a recession
27% (12 votes)
No, way... I'd rather get one of the new Palm, Crackberries, etc and breakup the apple monopoly
32% (14 votes)
Total votes: 44
Submitted by Eugene on June 19, 2009 - 7:18pm.

I'll get one when AT&T gets realistic about its data+voice rates. I don't talk on the phone that much and I refuse to pay $70/month to use that shiny toy.

Also, if I had to choose a smartphone now, I'd get T-Mobile G1, which has all the important features of iPhone 3GS (from Google Maps with street view and realtime traffic, to 3 MP camera, to GPS with digital focus) and can be had for $98 with a $55/month data+voice plan.

Submitted by mwtosd on June 19, 2009 - 7:45pm.

I'd love to get one, but it is too bad it is on AT&T.

Submitted by Coronita on June 19, 2009 - 9:03pm.

Allan,

You'll appreciate this blast from the past celebrity...
Heh heh

http://valleywag.gawker.com/5297277/the-...


The Woz Cuts iPhone Line

Steve Jobs is famous for possessing a "reality distortion field" that bends people to his will. But today he's got nothing on his Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak, who talked shoppers into letting him jump an iPhone line.

To finagle a spot in line on the day of the new iPhone 3G S's release would be impressive enough; to do so in the heart of Silicon Valley, where new gadgets are especially coveted, implies Wozniak has grown his skills of persuasion to Jobsian heights. From a shopper in the MacRumors forums:

I arrived at 3:50am and Mr. Woz was chopping it up with the manager at Apple. Then around 4:30am he politely asked everyone in line if he could be the 1st to get his iPhone at the store and everyone said yes.

Of course, while Wozniak was talking people out of the precious spots in line, Jobs was collecting their money. The Apple CEO always manages to come out on top.

3:50am.....Yup, no recession in geekdom here....

I would have at least requested Woz to stick around and autograph my 3gs.

Submitted by temeculaguy on June 19, 2009 - 9:47pm.

I can't live without my iphone 3g, not sure when i'll upgrade but eventually I will just for the voice controlled ipod music so i can jog and change songs without looking at it or fiddling with it. It is amazing how once you have one, you can't go back to your blackberry. Eugene, I think you have the costs wrong, each iphone only adds $30 to whatever plan you are already on, that's the unlimited data/internet fee. I already had att, with a blackberry so it cost me the same, but if it cost more, I'd do it and just save money elsewhere, if I had to choose, my home phone or cable t.v. or hbo or good wine or eating out would all go before my iphone, it might be a toss up with health insurance vs the iphone. I resisted for a year, but once you are infected, once you get into the apps, it's over, you can't go back, it's like going back to dial up. I have it rigged into my car, pop it in and it replaces my old sirius radio with pandora radio for free, monitors traffic, replaces a garmin, it will broadcast you tube over your big screen tv, is a portable dvr, the voicemail features are more like e-mails, no more listening through and pressing some number to skip or delete, I can go on and on, it isn't a little better, it is on an entirely different level because it is so simple to use, you don;t even need the manual.

I still think that apple should try to buy GM or chrysler and make an icar

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on June 19, 2009 - 9:50pm.

FLU: The Woz! Yeah, man, that is a blast from the past. I remember him from my days as a lowly peon at Apple, scrubbing PC boards for the II series (circa 1982).

Back when housing was affordable in Cupertino and Mountain View, the 49ers were just getting good, dinosaurs roamed the earth (mainframe makers like Amdahl) and Cisco, SUN, Google and Yahoo weren't even little spermatozoa yet.

Ah, the good old days.

Submitted by Coronita on June 19, 2009 - 10:00pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
FLU: The Woz! Yeah, man, that is a blast from the past. I remember him from my days as a lowly peon at Apple, scrubbing PC boards for the II series (circa 1982).

Back when housing was affordable in Cupertino and Mountain View, the 49ers were just getting good, dinosaurs roamed the earth (mainframe makers like Amdahl) and Cisco, SUN, Google and Yahoo weren't even little spermatozoa yet.

Ah, the good old days.

you should have seen woz on dancing with stars :)

Lol....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2xYbWNz0Xk

...and on the Price is Right...Lol...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/17...

Submitted by Coronita on June 19, 2009 - 10:13pm.

Funny you should mention Amdahl...One of my companies I use to run a development group leased out a space from the old Amdahl building. Some network dude found a lot of Amdahl logos behind the some of the walls. I believe though this was post Fujitsu acquired them. Amdahl unfortunately made some bad business decisions. They got picked clean in their demise...By Fujitsu from hardware ,and a few then startup EAI vendors from software.

Oracle buying Sun is the worst thing that can happen for Sun and for the software community.

Submitted by Eugene on June 19, 2009 - 10:13pm.

Quote:
. Eugene, I think you have the costs wrong, each iphone only adds $30 to whatever plan you are already on, that's the unlimited data/internet fee.

AT&T voice plans are expensive to begin with. I have prepaid T-Mobile, 10c/minute. If I talk two hours a month, that's $12/month. The cheapest AT&T voice plan is $40/month. They have pay-as-you-go plans too, but those are a lot more expensive than T-Mobile. Besides, their prepaid plans are not compatible with promotional iPhone pricing. If I want a pay-as-you-go plan with iPhone, I'll have to pay full price, which is $600 for a 16 GB model.

Submitted by afx114 on June 19, 2009 - 10:16pm.

I will be purchasing a 3Gs as soon as my subsidy qualifies me for the $299 price for the 32GB as opposed to $599.

Submitted by Coronita on June 19, 2009 - 10:16pm.

Eugene wrote:
I'll get one when AT&T gets realistic about its data+voice rates. I don't talk on the phone that much and I refuse to pay $70/month to use that shiny toy.

Also, if I had to choose a smartphone now, I'd get T-Mobile G1, which has all the important features of iPhone 3GS (from Google Maps with street view and realtime traffic, to 3 MP camera, to GPS with digital focus) and can be had for $98 with a $55/month data+voice plan.

You know, I'm glad to hear that. Because my small investment in the Android platform is/will be paying off :)

Submitted by Doofrat on June 19, 2009 - 11:31pm.

Verizon's great, and I hate AT&T and former SBC with a passion that is unmatched.... but after seeing my co-worker's iPhones, I'm switching the day my Verizon contract runs out.

Submitted by MicroGravity on June 20, 2009 - 9:52pm.

The Verizon network is so much better than AT&T, but my iphone is sweet--even more so with the latest software upgrade.

I guess it's a little like driving a really nice convertible on a crappy road (network) or driving your Civic on a really nice road.
I'll take the convertible.

Submitted by briansd1 on June 22, 2009 - 1:39pm.

1) Hate to say it but most Americans are stupid when it comes to phones. They don't even know what a SIM card is.

That's because in USA, the phone carriers want to control content and handsets. Aboard, people just buy any device then put in a SIM card from any carrier.

2) I just upgraded my iPhone 3G to 3.0 software and jailbroke it for Cydia, Installo.us, and tethering (very cool BTW).

I'll get the 3GS when it can be jailbroken.

The iPhone is best jailbroken and unlocked.

3) I would would never use a service from Verizon or Sprint unless they start using sim cards that allow the user to switch handset.

4) AT&T is cheaper than T-Mobile if you use the phone a lot. The Unity Plan allows unlimited calling to any AT&T line (mobile or land-line).

Rollover minutes allows you to accumulate minutes so that you never have to worry about going over your allocation.

If you ditch the land-line, it's worthwhile. I don't have a land-line at all.

5) I like AT&T because they have 3G. Edge on T-Mobile is slooooow.

6) If you have AT&T DSL or wireless, you get free wifi at Starbucks, McDonalds, and at hotels and airports where Wayport is provided.

Submitted by briansd1 on June 22, 2009 - 1:42pm.

MicroGravity wrote:
The Verizon network is so much better than AT&T, but my iphone is sweet--even more so with the latest software upgrade.

I guess it's a little like driving a really nice convertible on a crappy road (network) or driving your Civic on a really nice road.
I'll take the convertible.

I travel on both coasts and Texas; and I never have problems with AT&T. Granted, I hardly go to rural America.

I get dropped calls on top of the hill on the 52 into Santee and sometimes up the I5 past Camp Pendleton to Orange County.

At my friend's house in Tustin near the mountains, there is no AT&T coverage, only faint Verizon coverage.

At my other friend's in Alpine, on top of a hill, near the back country, there is only AT&T coverage. (I think that T-mobile has roaming agreement with AT&T when they bought part of old Cingular network).

Where in San Diego did you have problems with AT&T?

Submitted by an on June 22, 2009 - 1:54pm.

MicroGravity wrote:
The Verizon network is so much better than AT&T, but my iphone is sweet--even more so with the latest software upgrade.

I guess it's a little like driving a really nice convertible on a crappy road (network) or driving your Civic on a really nice road.
I'll take the convertible.


It's more like driving a 911 Turbo on the Autobahn vs an Enzo in LA. I'd take a 911 Turbo on the Autobahn.

Sound quality w/ CDMA has always been and will always be better than GSM. AT&T is horrible in western Mira Mesa for the longest time and and is still bad. Verizon on the other hand is great here. I have the original iPhone because work paid for it. It has its advantages and disadvantages. It's not the Jesus phone by any mean.

Submitted by briansd1 on June 22, 2009 - 2:21pm.

AN wrote:

Sound quality w/ CDMA has always been and will always be better than GSM.

That, I disagree with. Verizon sound tinny to me.

3G, however, is CDMA and not TDMA.

Submitted by briansd1 on June 22, 2009 - 2:22pm.

AN wrote:
I have the original iPhone because work paid for it. It has its advantages and disadvantages. It's not the Jesus phone by any mean.

If not the iPhone, which one is the best PDA/phone in your view?

Submitted by afx114 on June 22, 2009 - 2:32pm.

I've found that AT&T's 3G is better in rural areas than it is in urban areas. I live in uptown SD and I've never had a problem with coverage, but on a trip to downtown LA my coverage was HORRIBLE. The best signal I've ever had was camping in the middle of the desert near Joshua Tree. This is the complete opposite of what you'd expect, but I have a feeling AT&T hasn't figured out saturation issues. The more people in an area that are using 3G, the less bandwidth there is to share across all of them. It's similar to the way cable internet works -- if all of your neighbors are running bit-torrent and downloading hi-def pr0n, your own connection will suffer.

A buddy of mine who is knowledgeable says the following:

AT&T operates on a 30% load rate meaning their network can only support roughly 30% of their number of customers on a full load.. its the worst in the business, but they are changing that pretty rapidly as they are the fastest growing network hardware wise right now.

Submitted by an on June 22, 2009 - 3:02pm.

briansd1 wrote:

That, I disagree with. Verizon sound tinny to me.

3G, however, is CDMA and not TDMA.


Sound quality/clarity is not the same as volume. With the same volume, the voice clarity on CDMA is better than GSM. 3G is used specifically for data, not voice. AT&T 3G is using WCDMA and Verizon's 3G is using CDMA2000. They're similar but not the same. They're also used for transferring data as I said earlier. TDMA was AT&T's 1G network. GSM is their 2G and 2.5G network.

briansd1 wrote:

If not the iPhone, which one is the best PDA/phone in your view?

Personally, if I have to spend my own money, then it'll be what ever is free w/ 2 year contract. But if I must have the latest and greatest right at this moment, I'd pick the phone that best meet my needs on Verizon network. But if you're specifically talking only about smart phone w/out caring about carriers, then it's a toss up between 3Gs and Palm Pre. Over 3G network, Pre is faster, over WiFi, 3Gs is faster for surfing the net. So, it depends on Sprint vs ATT signal in your area.

Submitted by mwtosd on June 22, 2009 - 3:47pm.

I am really hoping that Apple will allow the iPhone on other networks. I do think they were not very happy with AT&T not being ready for MMS and tethering. In their announcement at the WWDC they mentioned MMS would be coming later this summer/later this year. There was no mention of tethering with AT&T but available immediately in 20 other countries.

Apple also issued a $30 iTunes gift card to users that had problems updating to the new iPhone OS 3.0 because of overwhelming AT&T's network. I hope these issues will push Apple get rid of the exclusivity with AT&T.

Submitted by an on June 22, 2009 - 3:54pm.

mwtosd wrote:
I am really hoping that Apple will allow the iPhone on other networks. I do think they were not very happy with AT&T not being ready for MMS and tethering. In their announcement at the WWDC they mentioned MMS would be coming later this summer/later this year. There was no mention of tethering with AT&T but available immediately in 20 other countries.

Apple also issued a $30 iTunes gift card to users that had problems updating to the new iPhone OS 3.0 because of overwhelming AT&T's network. I hope these issues will push Apple get rid of the exclusivity with AT&T.


Apple came to VZW first but they turned them down because Apple wanted too much control. That's why Apple end up being on AT&T. I don't know if VZW would change their mind now. If VZW still don't want iPhone w/ all if its baggage, then Apple don't really have a choice but stick w/ AT&T.

Submitted by Coronita on June 22, 2009 - 4:18pm.

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Submitted by an on June 22, 2009 - 4:49pm.

flu wrote:

Trust me. Apple taking control of the app distribution was a good thing. If you ever tried to build an app on a mobile phone you would know first hand about the bureaucracy that some of these mobile carriers throw at you to get certified...It's probably one of the main reasons why you won't find too many individual app contributions on any other network except maybe T-mobile with the G-phone(s).

FLU, you won't get any disagreement from me about this. I was just stating the fact that VZW rejected Apple's offer and unless they changed their tune, they'll probably reject again if Apple continue to want to have all of those control. That's just how VZW work. I've been working in the telecom space for many years, so I know what a pain it is for the whole carrier acceptance phase. You don't have to preach to the choir.

Submitted by afx114 on June 23, 2009 - 12:10am.

Charlie Rose just asked the Verizon CEO about the iPhone coming to Verizon and he said, "it was Apple's decision" because they decided to scale quickly and globally on GSM. The iPhone has "stimulated the category" and put smart phones on the map. Longer term (aka 4G), Apple will have to make another decision on which networks Apple wants to build their device to work with. He also says that even though manufacturers might start on an exclusive network, they almost all eventually expand to the others.

Submitted by mwtosd on June 23, 2009 - 11:34am.

AN wrote:

Apple came to VZW first but they turned them down because Apple wanted too much control. That's why Apple end up being on AT&T. I don't know if VZW would change their mind now. If VZW still don't want iPhone w/ all if its baggage, then Apple don't really have a choice but stick w/ AT&T.

I do think it was excellent idea for Apple to have such control over the software and what programs it runs. The cell phone companies in the past always controlled the software and it was always difficult to use and not practical. With Apple having such control over the software and the phone - look at what it did, it has revolutionized the smart phone market. (Same for building computers and writing the MacOS X - which run to seamlessly and do not have all the compatibility problems from PCs and Windows).

From what I have read, it was true about Verizon but also AT&T was willing to allow Apple a share in the revenue from the monthly cell phone bill and thus agreed to exclusivity for the iPhone.

I do feel in 2010 or 2011 the iPhone will run on 4G and will expand beyond AT&T.

Submitted by Coronita on June 23, 2009 - 12:07pm.

mwtosd wrote:
AN wrote:

Apple came to VZW first but they turned them down because Apple wanted too much control. That's why Apple end up being on AT&T. I don't know if VZW would change their mind now. If VZW still don't want iPhone w/ all if its baggage, then Apple don't really have a choice but stick w/ AT&T.

I do think it was excellent idea for Apple to have such control over the software and what programs it runs. The cell phone companies in the past always controlled the software and it was always difficult to use and not practical. With Apple having such control over the software and the phone - look at what it did, it has revolutionized the smart phone market. (Same for building computers and writing the MacOS X - which run to seamlessly and do not have all the compatibility problems from PCs and Windows).

From what I have read, it was true about Verizon but also AT&T was willing to allow Apple a share in the revenue from the monthly cell phone bill and thus agreed to exclusivity for the iPhone.

I do feel in 2010 or 2011 the iPhone will run on 4G and will expand beyond AT&T.

Still trying to figure out why oh why apple chose Objective-C out of all things for their platform.

Friend: "FLU do you know any foreign languages?"

FLU: "Sure: Java, C++, C, Perl, Tcl/TK, Ruby, PL/SQL, and now Objective C."

My head is spinning. Damn tech companies. They keep finding more creative ways to keep people employed.

Submitted by afx114 on June 23, 2009 - 12:11pm.

With most computer languages if you know one you know them all. It's just the vocabulary that changes.

Submitted by an on June 23, 2009 - 12:47pm.

afx114 wrote:
With most computer languages if you know one you know them all. It's just the vocabulary that changes.

Yes and no. It really depends on what language you know and what you're trying to learn. It's easier for a C developer to switch over to Java than a Java developer to switch over to C. It's even worse if you have to learn assembly. But once you're talking strictly about object oriented, then I agree with you. Dealing with pointers in C would make most Java developers' head spin.

Regarding 4G, most carriers are going LTE, so VZW, ATT and T-Mobile will all be using the same tech. The only one that's not going w/ LTE is Sprint. They're going w/ WiMax.

Of course the CEO of VZW would say it was Apple's decision to go w/ ATT. They won't admit publicly they passed up on a hot product.

regarding Windows/PC vs Mac/OSX, I'll take a customized easily upgradable PC over a Mac any day.

Submitted by ibjames on June 23, 2009 - 4:53pm.

mwtosd wrote:
I'd love to get one, but it is too bad it is on AT&T.

same here

Submitted by ibjames on June 23, 2009 - 5:09pm.

AN wrote:
mwtosd wrote:
I am really hoping that Apple will allow the iPhone on other networks. I do think they were not very happy with AT&T not being ready for MMS and tethering. In their announcement at the WWDC they mentioned MMS would be coming later this summer/later this year. There was no mention of tethering with AT&T but available immediately in 20 other countries.

Apple also issued a $30 iTunes gift card to users that had problems updating to the new iPhone OS 3.0 because of overwhelming AT&T's network. I hope these issues will push Apple get rid of the exclusivity with AT&T.


Apple came to VZW first but they turned them down because Apple wanted too much control. That's why Apple end up being on AT&T. I don't know if VZW would change their mind now. If VZW still don't want iPhone w/ all if its baggage, then Apple don't really have a choice but stick w/ AT&T.

verizon would be an idiot if they still turned them down, I'm hoping that apple some day has a QCOM chip in it ;)

Submitted by an on June 23, 2009 - 5:19pm.

ibjames wrote:

verizon would be an idiot if they still turned them down, I'm hoping that apple some day has a QCOM chip in it ;)

Totally agree, but VZW did many stupid things before, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'll turn APPL down again if the term stays the same. Example of them making stupid decision would be, even when everyone is bitching about the VZW UI, they still going full steam w/ it. It was and still is one of the worse UI design ever. They also give OEM very little room for interpretation of their UI.

Submitted by briansd1 on July 1, 2009 - 11:40pm.

For those looking for "free" applications here is the link.

You will need appsync (from Cydia) on the iPhone to sync to iPhone with iTunes.

http://appulo.us/appdb/

Submitted by equalizer on July 2, 2009 - 12:00am.

AN wrote:
ibjames wrote:

verizon would be an idiot if they still turned them down, I'm hoping that apple some day has a QCOM chip in it ;)

Totally agree, but VZW did many stupid things before, so it wouldn't surprise me if they'll turn APPL down again if the term stays the same. Example of them making stupid decision would be, even when everyone is bitching about the VZW UI, they still going full steam w/ it. It was and still is one of the worse UI design ever. They also give OEM very little room for interpretation of their UI.

VZW policies are bad for customers, but generally good for their bottom line. People believe the best network slogan even with lame phones. They have been grabbing market share for a long time. Verizon Wireless' retail (non-wholesale) gross customer additions (excluding customers acquired in the Alltel acquisition) were strong, up 32.5 percent over the prior year. On a pro forma basis, retail gross customer additions were up 4.3 percent. Verizon Wireless had 86.6 million customers at the end of the quarter, an increase of 28.8 percent year over year. This includes 13.2 million net total customer additions, after conforming adjustments, from the Alltel acquisition.

Service ARPU decreased 0.3 percent from the similar period a year ago, to US $50.74 . Total data ARPU grew by 20.8 percent to US $14.16 . On a pro forma basis, service ARPU increased 1.1 percent, and total data ARPU increased 25.2 percent.

27th April 2009
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/37196...

Submitted by propertysearcha... on July 2, 2009 - 7:46am.

I will be going from my $30.00 T-mobile plan but it will be worth every penny. My husband has had his i-phone for 6 months and slowly but surely I have realized I can't live with out one. They are convenient and amazing!

Submitted by Doofrat on July 2, 2009 - 9:54am.

So you're telling me the crappy interface on the Razor is Verizon's doing?!? And they're keeping it?!?!?!?!?

Submitted by Coronita on July 2, 2009 - 10:13am.

doofrat wrote:
So you're telling me the crappy interface on the Razor is Verizon's doing?!? And they're keeping it?!?!?!?!?

ummm.. yes, verizon has their own spec when it comes to user interfaces. In fact they keep changing it.

Submitted by an on July 2, 2009 - 10:21am.

flu wrote:
doofrat wrote:
So you're telling me the crappy interface on the Razor is Verizon's doing?!? And they're keeping it?!?!?!?!?

ummm.. yes, verizon has their own spec when it comes to user interfaces. In fact they keep changing it.


Yep, and they're the most hardcore of all carriers. OEM DO NOT have much of any room for interpretation regarding the UI. I have an iPhone right now, but it's a company phone, so I don't have much say. If I get a choice, I'd pick the Storm or any other smart phone on VZW network in a heart beat.

Submitted by briansd1 on July 2, 2009 - 10:30am.

Verizon is the most "evil" (if you think of evil in the Microsoft monopoly sense). They try to control content and handsets.

Never subscribe to a phone service where you don't have the option to change handset at will just by moving the SIM card to a new phone.

Submitted by an on July 2, 2009 - 10:57am.

briansd1 wrote:
Never subscribe to a phone service where you don't have the option to change handset at will just by moving the SIM card to a new phone.


That has nothing to do w/ VZW. It has everything to do w/ CDMA vs GSM. Don't worry though, they all will be on LTE when 4-G start rolling out, except for Sprint, who will be using WiMax instead.

Submitted by briansd1 on July 2, 2009 - 11:20am.

AN, we are talking consumer choice here.

How would you like to be required to buy your computer from your Internet Service Provider and be required to have the ISP activate your computer on their network?

------------
Back in 2003/2004:

Another interesting bit. It is a misconception that CDMA phones are not SIM-based. In China, it is mandatory for CDMA phones to be SIM-based and there are around 3.7 million subscribers using SIM-based CDMA phones.
http://voicendata.ciol.com/content/cdma/...

China Unicom plans to officially launch its dual mode handset on August 5, a senior official with China Unicom''s Comprehensive Department surnamed Tang told Interfax.

According to Tang, China Unicom has already ordered over 400,000 GSM/CDMA handsets from Motorola, Samsung and LG. These handsets, designed for high-end consumers, will be promoted nationwide under the carrier''s new "World Wind" brand. The dual mode mobile service will be marketed as a way to provide GSM subscribers exclusive access to China Unicom''s U-Max CDMA value-added services platform, as well as allowing for global roaming on both GSM and CDMA networks.

http://www.cn-c114.net/576/a285462.html

Submitted by Coronita on July 2, 2009 - 11:26am.

AN wrote:
briansd1 wrote:
Never subscribe to a phone service where you don't have the option to change handset at will just by moving the SIM card to a new phone.


That has nothing to do w/ VZW. It has everything to do w/ CDMA vs GSM. Don't worry though, they all will be on LTE when 4-G start rolling out, except for Sprint, who will be using WiMax instead.

I thought Sprint killed WiMax.

Submitted by an on July 2, 2009 - 11:28am.

flu wrote:
AN wrote:
briansd1 wrote:
Never subscribe to a phone service where you don't have the option to change handset at will just by moving the SIM card to a new phone.


That has nothing to do w/ VZW. It has everything to do w/ CDMA vs GSM. Don't worry though, they all will be on LTE when 4-G start rolling out, except for Sprint, who will be using WiMax instead.

I thought Sprint killed WiMax.


Nope, they already launched in some market.

Submitted by briansd1 on July 6, 2009 - 7:38pm.

They can already jailbreak and unlock the iPhone 3GS. I guess the secret will be out soon.

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/search/3gs+un...

If you are on T-Mobile and want to use the iPhone you can easily purchase a second-hand phone on ebay or Craigslist.

I am an AT&T customer but I like the fact that if I travel overseas, I can use any SIM card I want. Plus I can use alternatives to the Apple App Store.

http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/12690891...

My suspicion is that Apple wants the secret out. AT&T is subsidizing the iPhone and Apple only cares about sales.

Regardless, the cat and mouse game is kinda fun. It's a challenge, if anything.

Submitted by afx114 on July 6, 2009 - 7:48pm.

briansd1 wrote:
AT&T is subsidizing the iPhone and Apple only cares about sales.

Not only that, but AT&T is crippling the functionality of Apple's device (eg, MMS & tethering, two technologies the phone supports but AT&T does not). There were a couple of subtle digs at AT&T at WWDC.

Submitted by briansd1 on July 6, 2009 - 8:08pm.

I don't use MMS, but I have tethering working on my iPhone. It's pretty fast on AT&T 3G. Convenient when you're at the airport without wifi trying to make a last minute hotel reservation.

I have not tested tethering in motion (like on the train) yet.

Submitted by sdduuuude on July 6, 2009 - 10:09pm.

I had to abstain from voting as the option "buy another $15 phone from ebay" is not on the list.

Submitted by sdduuuude on July 6, 2009 - 10:15pm.

P.S. AMPS RULES !

Submitted by Eugene on July 7, 2009 - 3:03am.

Theoretically speaking, if I were to get an unlocked iPhone and a non-AT&T internet plan, would that result in lesser functionality than if I paid honest $70/month + tax to AT&T?

Also, is there a really good reason to shoot for 16 GB instead of 8?

Submitted by Coronita on July 7, 2009 - 6:55am.

sdduuuude wrote:
I had to abstain from voting as the option "buy another $15 phone from ebay" is not on the list.

I know you're probably kidding, but why dont you just get a free phone every 2 years from the provider.

Ha hah. You want an AMPS phone, I got an entire bucket full of them (including the ones that look like bricks)...Amps though I think is shut down in U.S....I think that's why some customers of onstar were pissed, because some of their older cars had onstar running on amps and it no longer works and the manufacterer don't have a solution to convert them...
http://www.onstar.com/us_english/jsp/exp...

Submitted by afx114 on July 7, 2009 - 9:34am.

Eugene wrote:
Also, is there a really good reason to shoot for 16 GB instead of 8?

When you have a 120GB library of music in your iTunes like me, even 32GB is a pittance. Get the larger storage if:

- You have a large iTunes library and want to take more of your music with you.
- You travel a lot and would like to watch movies on your device.
- You get the 3GS and foresee yourself taking lots of video.

If none of those are true, the larger storage is probably not worth it.