Ot. Skin cancer, hats and keffiyehs.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 1, 2021 - 7:39pm

It's so dang sunny in so cal. I haven't had any skin cancer yet but I'm definitely concerned.

The best hats I've found are Tilley hats. I have a few. Really expensive but washable and high quality.

I've also recently taken to wearing Palestinian made keffiyehs, the Hamas headwear, but made in the last Palestinian factory. No Chinese knockoffs

Hirbawi is the name. So awesome.

I had been very pro Israel up until a few weeks ago when I had a sudden epiphany and am now pro Palestine, which led me to hirbawi, which is why I now often look like an afghan rebel.

If you have other sun precaution gear that's good, let me know

Submitted by Coronita on September 2, 2021 - 6:49am.

For hiking, I just wear those large straw hats that me look like I'm a asian farmer. They are cheap, and when they break, it's easy to replace, especially if you're hiking and the wind carries it away.It environmentally friendly, since it's made out of biodegradable straws. And you're providing jobs and a market to some person who made it.

My sig other does the Asian thing and carries an umbrella. Personally, I think it looks way too FOB-ish to carry an umbrella when it's sunny and not raining, but then again I've seen more and more people do this. Fun fact: you aren't suppose to keep your umbrella open if a horse passes you on a trail. it spooks them out. Found this out on a trail around 92130 where it's shared with horses.

The problem with an umbrella is it's bulky and it's not convenient if you are hiking because it ties up at least one hand.....Also, if you're hiking in a slot canyons like I was in Utah (where we got lost, ran out of water, and was in the middle of a flash flood thunderstorm and almost ended up on the 6 oclock missing people's news..), umbrellas are really cumbersome in tight spaces and don't work well if you need two hands to climb out of the slot canyons quickly. Also umbrella break way too easily. You know they make these $3 dollar store umbrellas and they make these really expensive large umbrellas that are $20-40... Guess what? They all last about the same time. I've never gotten good mileage out of any umbrella, cheap or more expensive. Things snag, and break and jam.. So just get a cheap umbrella from the dollar store... There was this super-duper deluxe one that I got from Home Depot with a gift card that was like $35... It broke after 2 uses. My $3 dollar store special lasted for like 6 months.

For my sig other, I offered to get one of these umbrella hats, but sig other said hell no...

umbrella hatumbrella hat

https://www.amazon.com/KINGSOO-Umbrella-...

I don't understand why..this clearly effective thing that is more functional than form.. But oh well, not my call.

Besides hiking and beach, the trouble I have is in the car with the convertible with a top down. If you have the top down longer than 1/2 hour, it can get pretty toasty if you don't wear a hat.I haven't found a good solution beyond a baseball cap.. If I'm doing 93+mph, a baseball cap is the only thing that really will stay on your head. Anything larger than that will just fly off from the draft. That happened to me. My huge beat up straw hat flew right off my head, and ended up on on the windshield of this big ass truck with a trumpie bumper sticker and really pissed him off that it obstructed his visibility for a split second. Oops, my bad....I swear, I didn't mean for that to happen.... I don't see what he was pissed about. If I was driving my x5, it could have been my truck nuts that flew off my trailer hitch and that would have been a lot worse and caused real damage...... Anyway, you could tighten the drawstring really tight, but then the drag on the hat would pull your chin and make it really uncomfortable. Fortunately, I haven't really gotten sun burned while driving, since my drives are usually less than 1 hours each time. And on a sunny day, I won't lie though. With the top down, I leave the AC on full blasting in my face. It just works better that way... The same way that if the top is down during a cold day, the heater is on max too. MPG is negligibly effected...

If you're really concerned about getting burned and drive a lot, you should consider tinting your car, even the front windows and windshield. If you do a lot of driving, you are getting a bit of sun through the driver and passenger window particularly if you are one of the people that like to rest your arm on the door sill.

Technically, it's illegal to put any darkening tint on the windshield and driver and passenger side front door. SDPD doesn't really care (unless you are a menace) since so many of their cops off duty drive cars tinted. CHP, on the other hand, hate tints, and if you get pulled over by the CHP, roll down your windows immediately. You could also just get a clear tint, that blocks the UV, like I do. I hate tinted driver, passenger windows.

Also, despite what any tint installer says, the tint film will eventually go bad and start to peel. 10-15-20 years later. You'll need to get them replaced. The rear window could be tricky to remove because the rear glass usually has the rear defroster lines on the glass and once you put a tint on top of that, it's kinda tricky to pull the tint off without destroying the defroster lines on the glass. For most americans, this isn't an issue because they don't keep their cars that long, and they often spend upgrades on their cars they don't even own (lease)... But hey, that's ok too. Whatever floats people's boat.

Also, have you considered just wearing a mask? I mean, with the pandemic, people won't even think you are weird and a good face mask does cover a good portion of the skin on your face.

I think I went full circle on this one...from straw hats, to umbrellas, to umbrella hats, to baseball caps, to convertibles tops, to truck nuts on an suv, to window tints, cops, and finally wearing a mask during a pandemic.

Did I miss anything?

Submitted by sdrealtor on September 2, 2021 - 7:14am.

avoid sun and get annual check by dermatologist. High spf lotion. I use it all the time. My dad passed from melanoma

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 2, 2021 - 7:54am.

Keffiyeh is perfect convertible solution.

Umbrella is awesome!!!

Submitted by Coronita on September 2, 2021 - 8:23am.

sdrealtor wrote:
avoid sun and get annual check by dermatologist. High spf lotion. I use it all the time. My dad passed from melanoma

There's a misconception about SPF rating on sunscreen. There's a point above SPF50 where the extra SPF is marginal benefit at most. There's very little difference between SPF50 versus anything higher. Companies charge a lot more for very marginal performance benefits and misleads people into thinking a higher SPF means they can be exposed to the sun a lot longer. Not true

https://www.businessinsider.com/do-high-...
https://www.ewg.org/sunscreen/report/wha...

The difference between SPF 50 versus say SPF 100 is around 1% difference in protection. And even companies that claim they are SPF100, in real tests dont actually measure up to SPF100, that margin of error. Also, the protection is only as good as how well you apply it and reapply after...

SPF 15 sunscreens filter out about 93% of UVB rays, while SPF 30 sunscreens filter out about 97%, SPF 50 sunscreens about 98%, and SPF 100 about 99%.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 2, 2021 - 8:33am.

I despise sunscreen. I'd prefer to wrap myself in a keffiyeh and hat, wear long sleeves and pants and maybe carry an umbrella at all times.

I just feel like a greasy baking piece of meat with sunscreen.

Great deals on the Tilley ltm6 at rei right now. Straw hats just don't feel as light or comfy or ventilated on the head as the Tilley
Ltm6. I'm very curious to try the ltm8 too .

I do sometimes wear my mask on the bike. It is very functional but more annoying w heavy breathing. Not a bad solution tho I prefer the looseness of the keffiyeh

Submitted by Coronita on September 2, 2021 - 8:35am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
I despise sunscreen. I'd prefer to wrap myself in a keffiyeh and hat, wear long sleeves and pants.

I just feel like a greasy baking piece of meat with sunscreen.

Great deals on the Tilley ltm6 at rei right now.

I hate sunscreen too. But I use it when I hike when a hat won't cover.. Mainly arms legs neck ears.

The worst was putting sunscreen on your face and then wearing a helmet...

I was at a race event and while I was outside, I forgot and made the mistake of putting on sunscreen on my face. Then when it was my run group's turn, I put my helmet on. While I was on course for a practice lap, the damn sunscreen mixed with sweat started to ooze from my forehead and dripped into my eyes. That sunscreen burned like a motherf***r...And I had to finish the rest of the course with like one eye shut.. Fortunately, it was only a practice lap that and not a timed/competition lap. That would have sucked. Oh well, it wasn't the weirdest thing that happened on course, and it certainly won't be the last. There was one time a seagullgot in the way of my was going to smack into my windshield...I had to drive off course to avoid the seagull....

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 2, 2021 - 8:36am.

Ah, I also have sun gloves

I think it's key to have extra gear in the car, around the house, so one doesn't forget or get caught in a situation where you're out more than u expected.

Submitted by Coronita on September 2, 2021 - 8:39am.

Fun fact. If you want to prevent glasses/goggles/helmets from fogging, don't buy one of those anti-fog sprays. That thing stings if it gets in your eyes too.

A easier solution is use J&J no-more-tear body wash or shampoo. Light coating will prevent helmets goggles from fogging and if it runs, it won't sting if it gets in your eyes. Works well too if you wear a mask for the pandemic and your sunglasses/regular glasses fog up

Submitted by flyer on September 2, 2021 - 12:34pm.

These are all great suggestions. Definitely some I hadn't thought of. We're out all of the time too, with golf, tennis, beach, hiking, running, boating, etc. Water, sand, and snow increase sun exposure due to the reflected light, so you have to be extra careful in those settings. Definitely dermo every year.

Submitted by sdrealtor on September 2, 2021 - 1:28pm.

I use 30 and at most 50. I like the spray on. It is not cost effective but fast easy and not sticky or greasy at all

Submitted by Coronita on September 2, 2021 - 2:02pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
I use 30 and at most 50. I like the spray on. It is not cost effective but fast easy and not sticky or greasy at all

the spray on is great for arms and legs not so great for face.

Watch out for the recalls on some sprays. some ended up being carcinogen...Oh the irony...

the one I like are the sunblock sticks that are like rollon deodorant.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 2, 2021 - 5:01pm.

I would like to purchase a traditional Bedouin robe, but not ez to find. The bedouins know about desert life

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2012...

Submitted by sdrealtor on September 2, 2021 - 8:21pm.

Coronita wrote:
sdrealtor wrote:
I use 30 and at most 50. I like the spray on. It is not cost effective but fast easy and not sticky or greasy at all

the spray on is great for arms and legs not so great for face.

Watch out for the recalls on some sprays. some ended up being carcinogen...Oh the irony...

the one I like are the sunblock sticks that are like rollon deodorant.

spray on hand, rub on face :)

Submitted by Coronita on September 2, 2021 - 10:00pm.

sdrealtor wrote:
Coronita wrote:
sdrealtor wrote:
I use 30 and at most 50. I like the spray on. It is not cost effective but fast easy and not sticky or greasy at all

the spray on is great for arms and legs not so great for face.

Watch out for the recalls on some sprays. some ended up being carcinogen...Oh the irony...

the one I like are the sunblock sticks that are like rollon deodorant.

spray on hand, rub on face :)

But then you're defeating the purpose of an aerosol designed and optimized for quick and ease of us, at the expense of actual sun block content...

It's like spray paint in the rattle can. You pay a lot for a very tiny amount of paint that is pressurized so that it's easier to coat something quickly without needing to use a brush....You wouldn't take the spray can, spray it into a cup, and then get out a brush and brush it in something you wanted to paint....if you were gonna do that, you'd just buy a pint of the paint in a normal can, which costs less and provides a lot more...

hey that gives me an idea. Maybe sell sunblock that's extremely liquidity so that it can be sprayed with a spray gun or air compressor so to a user, it would be like taking a shower. You could setup a booth at the entrance to a hiking excursion, and charge like $1-2 for it.

Submitted by Coronita on September 3, 2021 - 11:06pm.
Submitted by phaster on September 8, 2021 - 12:57pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
It's so dang sunny in so cal. I haven't had any skin cancer yet but I'm definitely concerned.

The best hats I've found are Tilley hats. I have a few. Really expensive but washable and high quality.

I've also recently taken to wearing Palestinian made keffiyehs, the Hamas headwear, but made in the last Palestinian factory. No Chinese knockoffs

Hirbawi is the name. So awesome.

I had been very pro Israel up until a few weeks ago when I had a sudden epiphany and am now pro Palestine, which led me to hirbawi, which is why I now often look like an afghan rebel.

If you have other sun precaution gear that's good, let me know

since I use to enjoy hikes in interesting hot regions here in North America (i.e. Death Valley, the grand canyon, down in baja, etc.) as well as abroad,... learned long ago that Arab head covers were indeed very practical

if you're cloth head covers, you might find this interesting

https://www.rothco.com/category/tactical...

(I have a few myself)

PS something to consider chemical sunscreens aren't that good for the environment

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/news/sunsc...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on September 8, 2021 - 5:24pm.

phaster wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
It's so dang sunny in so cal. I haven't had any skin cancer yet but I'm definitely concerned.

The best hats I've found are Tilley hats. I have a few. Really expensive but washable and high quality.

I've also recently taken to wearing Palestinian made keffiyehs, the Hamas headwear, but made in the last Palestinian factory. No Chinese knockoffs

Hirbawi is the name. So awesome.

I had been very pro Israel up until a few weeks ago when I had a sudden epiphany and am now pro Palestine, which led me to hirbawi, which is why I now often look like an afghan rebel.

If you have other sun precaution gear that's good, let me know

since I use to enjoy hikes in interesting hot regions here in North America (i.e. Death Valley, the grand canyon, down in baja, etc.) as well as abroad,... learned long ago that Arab head covers were indeed very practical

if you're cloth head covers, you might find this interesting

https://www.rothco.com/category/tactical...

(I have a few myself)

PS something to consider chemical sunscreens aren't that good for the environment

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/news/sunscreen-corals.html

No on the rothco. Imitations. Buy only original Palestinian head wraps from hirbawi factory in Palestine. Last keffiyeh factory in palestine. Not ripoffs.

Submitted by svelte on September 13, 2021 - 8:27pm.

I'm on the verge of changing my entire look. What once worked is now boring. I've been trying baseball caps and they are a nice change, but not quite me. Plus when we go out, a third of the males have them on...not exactly unique though I seek out unusual ones.

I like this guys look. Might change the glasses a bit. Plus I am much much paler than him. Still might work though. Or I could end up looking like where's waldo. nah, I've gained too much weight for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC4BXKsVEsw

re: skin cancer. I've heard from many that often it takes decades between excessive overexposure and skin cancer. I'm probably low risk then as I didn't get a whole lot of sun in my younger days. Lived in humid locals and was too much of a computer and book nerd. Plus I tended to be a night owl. On the plus side, my skin hasn't turned to leather yet.

Submitted by sdduuuude on October 2, 2021 - 2:44pm.

I think most people overuse and misuse sunscreen. I blame marketing. They have led you to believe that you need it all the time and have developed sort of an addiction/reliance to it.

I lived the first 21 years of my life in Tucson and almost never used it. I was in the sun all the time and never wore a hat. I grew up with the understanding that skin cancer is much more common in people that have had one or two very bad sunburns than in people who are exposed to the sun alot. I did have one bad sunburn ( at altitude, not in Arizona ).

I don't use it in the winter at all and my philosophy is to use sunscreen pre-summer if I am going to be out for a long time but the goal is always to develop a tan because melanin is your body's way of protecting your skin from the sun. So I manage my sunscreen use such that I get enough sun to tan but not burn. Late in the Summer, I should be tan enough to spend a couple of hours in the sun without getting burned.

I have blonde hair but am able to develop a tan. For those who just don't tan and you need to / want to be outdoors in the sun, then sunscreen is the only way to go.

There are people who use sunscreen because they have fair skin but the reason they have fair skin is because they use sunscreen all the time.

Submitted by flyer on October 2, 2021 - 6:55pm.

Both my wife and I are fair, she's blonde and I have dark hair. We both have blue eyes, so we've always been prime candidates.

No matter how busy we are otherwise, we still always spend a lot of time outside, and have always taken extreme precautions to make sure we aren't damaging or aging our skin, and yet, we've both had a skin cancer on our legs. We think the overexposure may have happened when we were in HI for an extended period of time, and may not have paid as much attention as we should. Thankfully, it wasn't Melanoma.

Both of us were Stage 0, (another good reason for seeing the Dermo every year, if you're prone) and we've both had Mohs surgery at Scripps, with no recurrence.

If you're outside much, or cancer is in your family, or you see anything unusual on your skin--surprisingly skin cancer is not just brown or black, it can be pink, red, purple, etc.--be sure to see your Dermo.

Submitted by gzz on October 5, 2021 - 5:03pm.

Flyer, most skin damage leading to cancer happens in childhood, even though the cancer is decades later.

One very bad sunburn from an unprotected 4 hours in direct sun increases risk far more than a year of light tanning.

Many cosmetics increase risk of sunburn. The two most common offenders are alpha hydroxy acid and salicylic acid. Anything that exfoliates too, as the outer dead layer of skin protects the rest from burn.

The FDA has a suggested warning on photosensitizing cosmetics but does not require it. One of my public interest lawsuits involved such a product and I learned a huge amount about skin cancer and sunburn, but confidentiality means I cannot name it or discuss details.

Almost all whites will have many skin cancers by old age, but the immune system usually catches and destroys the cancers before they are ever detected. An illustration of this is people with damaged immune systems from AIDS get Karposi’s sarcoma, a viral induced skin (and elsewhere) cancer that a healthy immune system is easily able to destroy.

Conversely over avoiding the sun causes depression, sleep disorders, and immune system dysfunction. It also prevents the light tanning that protects the skin and makes the very unhealthy peeling sunburns more likely.

Submitted by flyer on October 6, 2021 - 10:10pm.

Sounds like an an interesting lawsuit. Son #1 is also an attorney--loves it.

Yes, everyone in our families have spent a lot of time outside all of our lives, but wouldn't change any of it--too many wonderful things to experience. We both still look younger than we are, so I guess some of our efforts paid off, and the we'll keep seeing the Dermo on a regular basis.

Submitted by phaster on October 27, 2021 - 8:50am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
phaster wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
It's so dang sunny in so cal. I haven't had any skin cancer yet but I'm definitely concerned.

The best hats I've found are Tilley hats. I have a few. Really expensive but washable and high quality.

I've also recently taken to wearing Palestinian made keffiyehs, the Hamas headwear, but made in the last Palestinian factory. No Chinese knockoffs

Hirbawi is the name. So awesome.

I had been very pro Israel up until a few weeks ago when I had a sudden epiphany and am now pro Palestine, which led me to hirbawi, which is why I now often look like an afghan rebel.

If you have other sun precaution gear that's good, let me know

since I use to enjoy hikes in interesting hot regions here in North America (i.e. Death Valley, the grand canyon, down in baja, etc.) as well as abroad,... learned long ago that Arab head covers were indeed very practical

if you're cloth head covers, you might find this interesting

https://www.rothco.com/category/tactical...

(I have a few myself)

PS something to consider chemical sunscreens aren't that good for the environment

https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/news/sunscreen-corals.html

No on the rothco. Imitations. Buy only original Palestinian head wraps from hirbawi factory in Palestine. Last keffiyeh factory in palestine. Not ripoffs.

thanks for the tip,... found their website

https://www.hirbawi.ps

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