OT: Buh-bye, Chargers, don't let the door...

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Submitted by spdrun on May 23, 2015 - 10:33pm

That's right. Don't let the door hit them on their steroid-addled butts as they go north to L.A..

Better than spending a half billion $ of public money on a new stadium for a team that's mediocre at best. San Diego will do fine as far as tourism, with or without a "hand-egg" team.

Qualcomm does the job for soccer (real football) and university games. What more is needed?

Submitted by flu on May 23, 2015 - 11:13pm.

It will be torn down for high end high density housing owned by the likes of kilroy and owner occupied housing. The land is too valuable to remain as is.

What impact that does to housing there. Don't know.

It would also impact Porsche CCA, BMW CCA, NASA CCA, since they would all need to find new places. Perhaps an airport base or Miramar? Can't run them at the DelMarFairgrounds unless the event wants to pay the neighbors for relocation room and board during the event days as normally is the case...

Submitted by spdrun on May 23, 2015 - 11:53pm.

Plenty of stadia exist on valuable land. Besides, there are environmental issues due to the tank farm near the stadium leaking underground (which may or may not have been remediated). As long as Qualcomm Stadium isn't touched, they can be largely ignored.

I'm sure Citi Field in NYC plus the tennis stadium stand on more expensive land, notwithstanding proximity to LGA airport.

Let's hope the Chargers go fuck off to Hell Ay, and any plans to redevelop Qualcomm are stalled for a while.

Submitted by AN on May 24, 2015 - 12:47am.

As long as they're tearing down the current QCOM stadium and rebuild something, that all I want. If it's a new stadium that the task force proposed, that sounds great. Else, if they leave, I hope they tear it down and build a high density mixed use development to tie into with the Civita development, I'd be all for that too. Especially if they keep the river park they have planned with the stadium.

Submitted by spdrun on May 24, 2015 - 7:17am.

Why do you give a shit what happens to the stadium? It's a decent stadium for soccer and university games with a parking lot for events. Why not keep it, whether professional football plays there or not?

Submitted by AN on May 24, 2015 - 7:57am.

spdrun wrote:
Why do you give a shit what happens to the stadium? It's a decent stadium for soccer and university games with a parking lot for events. Why not keep it, whether professional football plays there or not?

Because I don't watch soccer or university sports. So I don't want my tax dollar going to maintaining that POS. However, I would use the river park they build or the retail that they build.

Submitted by mike92104 on May 24, 2015 - 4:36pm.

If we're going to spend money, it should be on the convention center expansion. That ACTUALLY brings in money to SD.

Submitted by spdrun on May 24, 2015 - 10:13pm.

^^^

Agreed.

Submitted by Doofrat on May 27, 2015 - 9:17am.

But, but, the stadium will draw so many more people, we'll need more hot dog vendors and stadium sweepers. That'll bring in at least $150 billion dollars or something. And my tattoos, I got Bolts on both arms, what am I going to do about that?!?

Submitted by enron_by_the_sea on May 27, 2015 - 3:31pm.

The powers that run the city have already made a deal in the smoke filled room. There will be chargers stadium built (whether it makes sense or not.). There will not be any public vote.

The only thing remaining is to now make a show of tough negotiations with chargers and sell the deal down the throat of San Diegans.

Get on with the plan ...

Submitted by Doofrat on May 27, 2015 - 3:43pm.

They are of course staying. At least I'll get my $10 from my co-worker I made a bet with about this, that'll make a tiny dent in the cost to me to build a new stadium.

Submitted by paramount on October 24, 2015 - 11:40am.

Looks like the Chargers are making it official: they are leaving San Diego.

Chargers to File Relocation Paperwork Ahead of Potential Los Angeles Move

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news...

Submitted by spdrun on October 24, 2015 - 11:47am.

Good riddance. It's a shame San Diego is playing along with their extortion, though.

Submitted by ltsdd on October 24, 2015 - 12:31pm.

spdrun wrote:
Good riddance. It's a shame San Diego is playing along with their extortion, though.

+1. Don't care much for the Chargers' owners. Their plan all along was to squeeze that piece of valuable land from the city.....as for putting in more high-density housing, man, that stretch along Friars is very, very congested as it is.

Submitted by spdrun on October 24, 2015 - 12:45pm.

I wonder, with proximity to Mexico, if there would be a market for another team that plays REAL football.

Submitted by all on October 26, 2015 - 9:23am.

spdrun wrote:
I wonder, with proximity to Mexico, if there would be a market for another team that plays REAL football.

Chivas has the lowest attendance in MLS and that is the club that was supposed to capitalize on proximity to Mexico. It would make more sense to have Club Tijuana play some of their games in San Diego.
On the other hand SD Sockers attendance is good, more than 50% of what Chivas generates and there are some decent clubs (Surf, Sharks, Carlsbad) north of 8, so there might be some potential for MLS franchise.

Submitted by deadzone on October 26, 2015 - 9:53am.

San Diego is not even on the radar for MLS expansion. It is the same problem as Chargers, there is not an adequate stadium here.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on October 26, 2015 - 3:47pm.

paramount wrote:
Looks like the Chargers are making it official: they are leaving San Diego.

I hope this ends up being true. I'm so sick of their extortion and even more disgusted by our leaders. (yeah Faulkner I'm looking at you) It's downright embarrassing the way city council and the mayor threw all negotiation leverage out the window and started making wild proposals with tons of tax dollars when they thought the chargers might actually leave.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is at all settled that the chargers will leave town. If the NFL owners say no, (and they will say no to at least one of the teams that wants to move to LA) then the chargers can't leave San Diego. (In which case all us taxpayers better get out the Ky)

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 26, 2015 - 4:48pm.

If the owners sat no to a move, then can't the city also say no to a stadium? The Chargers wouldn't have any more leverage. But I agree that the local politicians will likely play nice.

I am actually for squeezing NYC type density into the mission valley parcel to make the project pay for itself and more.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on October 26, 2015 - 8:49pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
If the owners say no to a move, then can't the city also say no to a stadium?

They could, but as you point out, the local politicians clearly lack the cajones to go that route.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I am actually for squeezing NYC type density into the mission valley parcel to make the project pay for itself and more.

If the project would actually pay for itself, and make the city a profit, then developers would pay for the stadium themselves and keep the profits. But of course talk of how a stadium with development pays for itself is just BS. It completely ignores the costs that come with new neighborhoods, and developments.

Submitted by moneymaker on October 29, 2015 - 6:00pm.

Interesting how it's the worst teams that are talking about moving, and also believe they deserve a new stadium. I say show them the money. If the chargers go to LA and have to compete for fans with another team they will most likely lose money.

Submitted by Reality on October 29, 2015 - 7:33pm.

NFL teams don't lose money.

Submitted by Reality on October 29, 2015 - 7:37pm.

XBoxBoy wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
If the owners say no to a move, then can't the city also say no to a stadium?

They could, but as you point out, the local politicians clearly lack the cajones to go that route.

They've said no for 14 years.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on October 30, 2015 - 6:43am.

Reality wrote:
XBoxBoy wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
If the owners say no to a move, then can't the city also say no to a stadium?

They could, but as you point out, the local politicians clearly lack the cajones to go that route.

They've said no for 14 years.

Yes, they've said no for 14 years, but if you've been paying attention for the last six months or so they've totally changed their tune to, "Don't go we'll give you anything you want!"

Submitted by Reality on October 30, 2015 - 6:18pm.

XBoxBoy wrote:
Reality wrote:
XBoxBoy wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
If the owners say no to a move, then can't the city also say no to a stadium?

They could, but as you point out, the local politicians clearly lack the cajones to go that route.

They've said no for 14 years.

Yes, they've said no for 14 years, but if you've been paying attention for the last six months or so they've totally changed their tune to, "Don't go we'll give you anything you want!"

Actually I have been paying attention but the question involved the NFL saying no to a move to LA. That would change things.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on November 5, 2015 - 10:19pm.

Apparently our illustrious Mayor Faulconer has been on the road meeting with NFL team owners to try and convince them to have the Chargers stay in San Diego.

On Sept. 30th he was in Boston meeting with Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots, and then went to NYC to meet with New York Giants owner John Mara. On Oct. 1st Faulconer met with NFL commissioner Rodger Goodell and then went to Charlotte, North Carolina, to confer with Jerry Richardson, owner of the Carolina Panthers.

And if that wasn't enough, he's got another meeting with the NFL committee that will decide who relocates to LA on Nov. 11th.

One can only imagine what giveaways Mayor Faulconer promised in these meetings!

Submitted by NotCranky on January 12, 2017 - 12:00pm.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18458...

I doubt it's over. This story never ends.

Submitted by gzz on January 12, 2017 - 3:22pm.

Put Qualcomm up for sale for the highest and best use, which is probably housing. Use the money to cut taxes.

The only other use I'd support is luring a major tech firm to move their HQ here.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on January 12, 2017 - 4:27pm.

The NFL has been struggling lately (too much stuff to do on the interweb LOL).

Anyway if you live in far north county the drive is about the same either way.

Submitted by svelte on January 13, 2017 - 4:03pm.

As far as I'm concerned, the Chargers and the NFL brought this on themselves, and I'm proud of the region's citizens for not caving to demands of rich businessmen - "give us what we want or we're leaving".

I can even tell you the moment when public opinion turned, because it was the moment when my opinion shifted.

In the late 90s the Chargers and the NFL pushed San Diego to expand the stadium. Either expand it, the NFL said, or we'll move the 1998 Super Bowl. So we as a city caved, added 10,000 seats, gave the Chargers a Sweetheart Deal and got on with life. We felt like we'd been raped, but we kept our chin up and soldiered on. Adding insult to injury was the name change to Qualcomm that was needed to seal the deal.

Then, just 6 short years later, the NFL was back with their hand out. Just six years! Build us a new stadium, they said, or you'll never get another Super Bowl.

That was it. My opinion shifted, as did that of many other people. The cement was barely cured from their last demand, and their hand was in our pocket yet again - it was clear they weren't going to be satisfied until they had every last cent we owned.

To our credit we gave them the one finger salute and have continued to do so.

Please leave our fair city. We don't need your kind around here.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on January 14, 2017 - 11:26am.

The-Shoveler wrote:
The NFL has been struggling lately (too much stuff to do on the interweb LOL).

yes. I read an article that the move might hurt the NFL. The LA market is large, but maybe not for 2 teams.

I think that young people today are less loyal to a sports team than their elders. Too many other entertainment options, and a fragmented media market is not that good for the NFL.

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