OT: Predictions for 2016 Presidential Election

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Submitted by svelte on December 11, 2015 - 7:41am

I apologize in advance for bringing up the topic (it is sure to be over-discussed next year!), but now is a good time to make predictions.

The primaries start in just a few weeks and bring clarity to who will be the final candidates.

So now is the opportune time to make predictions: who will be the final, post-convention candidate selections for US President of the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, and any other party you which to mention?

Bonus points for specifying who their running mate will be!

Submitted by harvey on November 18, 2016 - 9:36am.

When we follow TG's reasoning to its logical conclusion:

Submitted by bearishgurl on November 18, 2016 - 11:17am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
what benefits an individual may harm society. how else can we kill people.

repeal helmet laws.
legalize heroin.
give tax refunds by check or double that value in cartons of cigs
need more ideas...

I'm highly sensitive to and allergic to cigarette smoke. I can't even stand to stay in a "non-smoking" room in a hotel which allows smoking on the premises because the smoke invariably comes through the air conditioning ducts. It's disgusting to me, will adversely affect my sinuses and I won't be able to sleep. I won't go into restaurants in flyover states which still have "smoking sections" because (like casinos) they just don't "work."

If TG's idea was put into practice in all 50 states, I would probably have to move out of the country (or to an isolated area with a low population where the housing is far apart). I can't even stand to pass someone on the sidewalk smoking. If I see someone ahead of me smoking on the sidewalk, I take a deep breath and then take short exhales out of my mouth until I run past them. If they are smoking cigars, I immediately attempt to cross the street, even if I have to "jaywalk" or cross half of the street at a time (until oncoming traffic passes).

Allowing smoking in public is a violation of citizens' rights to breathe clean air (as clean as possible in some cities). Allowing smoking in one's rental unit means the LL better take a HUGE security deposit because they're going to need it upon move-out to mitigate the permutation of smoke odor in everything in the unit (even if no carpet or drapes exist). If they don't clean it up properly after move-out, they're going to have a hard time getting a future tenant who is decent. In some apt/condo/coop complexes with units on multiple floors, one tenant's smoke can easily enter another tenant's unit thru the shared HVAC ducts.

I think all smoke products (incl "snuff") should be taxed the hell out of and the money diverted to health insurance carriers because I am paying in spades in my obamacare premium for my "brethren" to indulge in tobacco products, alcohol and drugs to their hearts content (or did for decade(s) in their lives and are "clean" now ... doesn't matter) so they can have an "affordable" healthplan in spite of their (present or former) "lifestyle choices." My health premiums have been $5500 to $7000 more every year under the ACA than they were before the ACA became law and my paltry "subsidy" does not even come close to fully compensating me for that, nor do my subsidy increases year to year even represent 10% of the rate hikes I have been receiving every year beginning 1/1/15. The ACA is unfair and actually penalizes people who take personal responsibility for their health because it is priced on age, NOT the state of one's health. I am so happy that the law will be repealed in 2017!

CO (and I think UT) doesn't have any helmet laws and the result isn't pretty, especially for young MC drivers and especially in the mountains. It is the young, inexperienced and daring drivers who are "killed off" by not wearing helmets, NOT the 65 year-old highly-experienced driver on his or her Honda Goldwing or Harley (with sidebags) touring the country. The latter group has seen a lot in their lifetimes and they wear helmets 100% of the time, no matter what the weather is or the laws are in the state they are riding in. I have 3 close relatives who were gravely injured (even one who lost a leg at age 18 and one who lost his life at age 19) in MC accidents. One was 60 years old and had been riding (always with a helmet) since he was 18. He had over $125K in lost pay due to his accident injuries and was hit by an uninsured motorist in a large panel van while on his way to work on a busy surface street. ALL of these people were wearing good helmets. MC riding is dangerous enough even while wearing a helmet. Deciding not to wear one (especially while riding on the freeway or on mountain roads) is suicidal, IMO.

Submitted by harvey on November 18, 2016 - 11:25am.

bearishgurl wrote:
If TG's idea was put into practice in all 50 states, I would probably have to move out of the country ...

TG for president!

Let's Make America Great Again, again!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 18, 2016 - 12:34pm.

The death rates in middle America are going up.
Give tnem more meth, OxyContin, booze. alcohol, guns. That should take care of it.
Oh, higher speed limits too. I'm all for dismantling Federal mandates.

Submitted by njtosd on November 18, 2016 - 12:41pm.

temeculaguy wrote:

This might sound crazy but all these nanny state laws are going to drive up costs for social security, medicare and other retirement expenses that workers subsidize. There's no argument that they work, but the costs of people living longer are going to be our greatest challenges in the future. I shouldn't say this as a man in striking distance of his 50th birthday but the system benefits from shorter lifespans. Youth is finite, the amount of years the young are a drain on the economy is fairly constant. Death keeps moving further out to the point that working life is nearing parity with retirement life. That is going to be a problem. Mark my words, you know I'll bump and quote this prediction in 20 years.

This is a well known tendency and a big issue for the UK NHS, where it was found that those who follow a healthy lifestyle generate, on average, $417,000 in healthcare costs over the course of their lifetimes, whereas smokers and obese people cost $371,000 and $326,000 respectively (in 2008 dollars): http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health...

So the recent rationing of health care in the UK based on obesity and smoking (using elective surgery as a carrot on a stick) seems somewhat counterproductive economically:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/...

Really the cheapest thing would be to just kill everyone.

Submitted by bearishgurl on November 18, 2016 - 2:01pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
The death rates in middle America are going up.
Give tnem more meth, OxyContin, booze. alcohol, guns. That should take care of it.
Oh, higher speed limits too. I'm all for dismantling Federal mandates.
UT had a speed limit on its interstates of 85 mph for over 12 years and had to lower it to 80 mph because their (mostly out-of-state) motorists were burning up their tires and having blowouts on their straightaways on their many 100+ degree days. When approaching cities and towns, it has now been reduced to 75 mph where speed traps are always present on the overpasses :=0

Oh, I and I'm acquainted with plenty of "alcoholics" right here in SD County. There is no need to hit the road to find them ... they're all over the place.

And NV (FIH's "home state") is teeming with alcoholics ... everywhere. And local Clark County Trump campaign volunteers told me when I was there the weekend before last that they are glad their kids are grown because the public schools suck there .... everywhere. Apparently, meth (and even heroin) is for sale in all of them (secondary schools). Some of these people were SoCal transplants and regret moving there ... but cannot afford to move back now.

Submitted by spdrun on November 18, 2016 - 2:35pm.

Utah was never 85 mph. They went from 75 to 80 mph in the past few years and are actually looking at speed limit increases.

Texas is the only state that allows 85 mph.

Submitted by bearishgurl on November 18, 2016 - 2:43pm.

spdrun wrote:
Utah was never 85 mph. They went from 75 to 80 mph in the past few years and are actually looking at speed limit increases.

Texas is the only state that allows 85 mph.

Until about fall of 2013, it was 85 mph on I-70 in southern UT.

Submitted by bearishgurl on November 18, 2016 - 2:45pm.

bearishgurl wrote:
spdrun wrote:
Utah was never 85 mph. They went from 75 to 80 mph in the past few years and are actually looking at speed limit increases . . .

Until about fall of 2013, it was 85 mph on I-70 in southern UT.

Submitted by spdrun on November 18, 2016 - 2:47pm.

Cite?

Submitted by bearishgurl on November 18, 2016 - 2:48pm.

spdrun wrote:
. . . Texas is the only state that allows 85 mph.
Well, shades of Ozona and the giant, wayward tumbleweed! :=] It's been awhile since I've been on that route and what I remember of it was a lot of senior citizen female drivers (ALL Texans) driving 100 mph all by themselves in their YUGE American luxury sedans, lol .....

Submitted by bearishgurl on November 18, 2016 - 2:49pm.

spdrun wrote:
Cite?
You are welcome to pm me for it if you want to know :=0

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 20, 2016 - 9:08pm.

The SNL sketch was really funny. I will need good comedy in the next 4 years.

https://youtu.be/SHG0ezLiVGc

Submitted by livinincali on November 21, 2016 - 1:16pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
The SNL sketch was really funny. I will need good comedy in the next 4 years.

https://youtu.be/SHG0ezLiVGc

Well at least the comedians will be able to make fun of the president again. Obama was sort of off limits because you were clearly a racist if you made fun of him.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 21, 2016 - 1:21pm.

obama is just such a nice thoughtful guy. was reading an interview he did with a novelist talking about the importance of reading novels in developping as a human. dude is just a good human. i like him as a guy.

people who truly actually tead or value reading get bonus points from me

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 21, 2016 - 1:42pm.

obama is just such a nice thoughtful guy. was reading an interview he did with a novelist talking about the importance of reading novels in developping as a human. dude is just a good human. i like him as a guy.

people who truly actually tead or value reading get bonus points from me

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