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Submitted by jpinpb on April 2, 2010 - 10:22am

So b/c the universe is plotting against me or Mercury maybe is retrograde, I may need to get a new car and want some feedback. First some history.

I had/have a 2001 Audi TT convertible that I really LOVED. I really pampered and babied that car, changing oil regularly, maintaining, waxing, etc. It was in pristine condition. Just recently had new tires put on, about 4k in wear. Two months ago I made the last payment and got my pink slip.

Sunday night I'm coming back from Trader Joe's in PB. I'm on Garnet eastbound and as I approach Haines, though the light is green, traffic is backed up. So as to not block the intersection, in case the light turns red, I wait. I'm slightly over the crosswalk, but the intersection remains clear. I worry the light is going to turn red. As I look up to make sure the light is still green (which it was) I see the Ford F 150 hauling ass in my rear view mirror.

So in the 1.5 second of perception/reaction time, all I thought was "What is this guy doing? Why is he going so fast? Isn't he going to slow down?"

And I start to say, "He's not going to..........."
Before I can get the word "stop" out of my mouth, he slams into us. I close my eyes like you would if you're watching a scary scene in a movie. My head gets whacked hard against the headrest. My head was pounding and my ears were ringing.

Next thing I know, we're being propelled through the intersection and I'm looking at the rear of the car on the other side of the intersection getting very close. I press my right foot down to stop. That's when I realize my foot is no longer on the brake. The impact jarred my foot off the brake. I press on the brake again and try to turn the steering wheel at the same time. The steering wheel seems hard to turn. Car must have died. I barely brush against the rear right bumper w/the left front of my car.

The guy wasn't drunk, surprisingly. I was taken to E.R. w/a concussion. A cop that interviewed me suspected maybe the other driver was texting. Anyway, no herniated disk, so I just have a I'm suffering from soft tissue pain.

My dilemma now is my Audi may be totalled. So now I may have to get a new car. I'm not sure what I'll get out of the Audi, so I may be looking at car payments again. I could just scream.

I'm not sure I want to get a new car. That new car smell would be nice, but hardly worth the depreciation once I drive off the lot. For the money, I could get another certified pre-owned. Just not sure what to get. I went to check out the Camaro SS and am tempted.

Any ideas? Thanks

Submitted by werewolf34 on April 2, 2010 - 10:32am.

First, that sucks.

Good news
1) You're alive

Bad news
1) Your insurance company will give you 'fair value' for your TT. Chances are repairs > value of the car so it will be totalled and written off with you receiving a check. Bad news is a 2001 TT isn't worth enough to put you into a new car. Check NADA, Edmunds and KBB and be prepared to fight with the insurance company over value of your car.

I am not the guy who rushes to sue somebody but I would strongly consider it at this point. You'll likely have to dig into your pockets for another car at no fault of your own.

I would caution you to be rational. Camaro SS is not a rational car. Also given what happened get something used with good crash scores. Good luck

Submitted by sdrealtor on April 2, 2010 - 10:35am.

If you want to stay in the same genre the new BMW Z4 has the sexiest lines on the road. If I didnt have 2 kids I would be driving one already.

Submitted by Coronita on April 2, 2010 - 11:01am.

jpinpb,

Sorry sorry to hear about this. Especially when it happens to be a TT. Like others have said, you are very lucky you aren't hurt badly. Score 1 for audi safety. For a 2001 Audi TT with the 225hp motor, you're probably looking at about $15k payout, give or take $2k. If you've done any recent repairs, take those receipts with you.

Is your car pretty much stock, or did you put any aftermarket upgrades? If you have any upgrades, custom sound system, larger turbo/engine upgrades/etc, now would probably be a good time to take those out before your car gets totalled.

As far as your next car..Not so sure about the Camaro...I'd prefer to wait and get a 2011 mustang 5.0 when they come out. The jury is still out on Camaro reliability (not enough data) whileas Mustangs have been though a few years of iteration.

http://www.autoblog.com/2010/03/16/2011-...

412 hp/ 26mpg highway...Probably better gas mileage than your tt....

Audi reliability has taken a turn for the worse in the more recent models. Bimmers aren't fairing much better either, nor are Mercedes, or anything german for that matter.

Submitted by meadandale on April 2, 2010 - 10:52am.

werewolf34 wrote:

Bad news
1) Your insurance company will give you 'fair value' for your TT. Chances are repairs > value of the car so it will be totalled and written off with you receiving a check. Bad news is a 2001 TT isn't worth enough to put you into a new car. Check NADA, Edmunds and KBB and be prepared to fight with the insurance company over value of your car.

This isn't always the case. I had the exact same thing happen to me about 10 years ago. Traffic up in LA went from 60 to 0 in about 100 yards. I had stopped and looked in my mirror and the guy behind me was barreling down. Nailed me from behind doing 20+ MPH.

At that time I had 10 year old Acura Vigor and still owed quite a bit of money on it (more than it was worth). I told the insurance company of the guy who hit me "I don't care what you think my car is worth, your insured caused the accident and you need to make me whole.". They spent over $10k fixing my car--way more than it was worth.

Submitted by SD Realtor on April 2, 2010 - 10:57am.

jp hope you are okay and sorry to hear about the car. hang in there.

Submitted by paramount on April 2, 2010 - 11:29am.

The other driver is obviously a moron; at any rate as for a new car I would stick with what is reliable and will last: Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mazda - basically anything Japan or Korea based.

BMW's are great driving machines, but the maintenance and repair costs - as I understand - will suck you dry.

If I were looking for a good performing car, with a reasonable price and great reliability I think there is only one choice:

2010 Mazda Speed3 (mid 20's at the most...)

0-60 in about 6 seconds
14 second 1/4 mile
Excellent interiors
Out handles a 370Z and Porsche Cayan
Strong safety ratings

This is what Edmunds has to say:

Stellar handling, near-perfect steering, excellent seats, high-quality cabin trim, a few unexpected high-end features.

Submitted by IForget on April 2, 2010 - 12:18pm.

Stick with Audi and go with the A5 coupe. It's one sweet ride.

Submitted by briansd1 on April 2, 2010 - 12:19pm.

Very sorry to hear about your accident. Glad that you're OK.

Value for the money?

Get a used BWM 5 Series. They depreciate a lot relative to brand new price so you get to enjoy someone else's depreciation.

People who drive BMWs tend to baby them and not put too many miles on them. A used M5 is a good deal I believe. So would be 7 series but those cars are too big in my opinion.

Japanese cars are reliable but used cars are costly (relative to new price).

I don't recommend new cars. They are a waste of money.

You just need to know how to look at cars and avoid the weasels (You know who they are. I won't say anything otherwise, I'll be called a racist and a bigot). Make sure the title matches the name of the seller.

Try to buy a car from a nice neighborhood... Some of those sellers are dreaming and asking pie-in-the-sky (because they don't really need to sell)... but other sellers just want to get more than trade-in. If you have patience you'll find a good car... Or you just might luck out right off the bat.

Never buy a used American car.

Submitted by jpinpb on April 2, 2010 - 12:22pm.

Thanks, everyone, for your thoughts. I'm over the shock and disbelief and panic of him not stopping. I'm very sore and stiff. This is more than a hassle and inconvenience. When I tried to move the Audi to the curb, I was dragging the muffler. The whole rear was pushed down. I'm thinking undercarriage and frame got damaged. Not even sure if the convertible top will function properly. I suppose you can fix anything nowadays if you want to spend the money, but I'm thinking it'll never be the same. Pretty sure it's totaled. I figured I'm going to be out of pocket on this. I just don't know what to get next.

Submitted by svelte on April 2, 2010 - 12:31pm.

jpinpb wrote:

I just don't know what to get next.

It would help if you told us what is important to you in your next car...

Price?
Style?
Speed?
Safety?
MPG? (how many MPG do you want?)
How many seats?
How many doors?
Auto or stick?
How big?
Another convert or hard top?

My wife has a major, major crush on the new Dodge Challenger SRT8 (thanks, NCIS!!!) so it may be in our garage soon.

Me, I'm pushing for a Jaguar XF.

Submitted by jpinpb on April 2, 2010 - 12:43pm.

Price - something reasonable - I know, that's relative. My preference is not go over 30k.

Style - The Camaro SS w/RS package, I'm looking at 37k, but I can get a fleet wholesale price and could pick it up for maybe 31k. But I'm not totally sold on it. I had a '68 Camaro back in the day. A new Camaro is a nice retro nostalgia car and I hear great things about it, but I don't need a muscle car. At the same time, I don't want a boring, conservative car. I would like something sporty.

Speed - I don't need a race car, but I would like something that will move if I need to.

MPG - something that will not suck down the dead dinos. Surprisingly, the Camaro gets decent mileage.

Seats - I had the two-seater TT and that's fine by me. No kids and unless I'm winning a few million in the lottery, not planning on IVF or anything crazy. No kids planned. Two-seater is not a problem. Don't plan on chauffeuring anyone around.

Doors - 2 or 4 is fine.

Definitely manual.

Size - not looking for a Hummer. Even after the accident, I still like small.

Another convertible would be great. Figure I'll be settling for a sunrooof.

I thought about the Challenger, too. I think I'm partial to the Camaro. I also thought about a Mustang, since I used to have one of those, too. I drove that thing into the ground back in the day when I never took care of cars. That oil would get as thick as pea soup. I vouch they they are built tough.

I also hear that in 2011 I will be able to get a Fiat Abarth here in the U.S. and that seems like something fun.

I also wouldn't mind getting another TT, but I think that'll be out of my practical budget.

Submitted by paramount on April 2, 2010 - 1:15pm.

Not to jack the thread, but I just bought a Sienna XLE AWD and it is absolutely awesome IMO. Blows away my Expedition in every category.

I took it up to Big Bear two weeks ago, and the power on tap seemed endless, regardless of the grade.

Handling nothing short of impressive.

And as a bonus, in a pinch I think I could live in it for a while.

Submitted by GoUSC on April 2, 2010 - 1:25pm.

My 2005 BMW X5 was t-boned on Turqoise St in Pacific Beach this week. 17 year old driving his mom's minivan pulled out of a gas station without looking and BAM. I want that car to be totalled. The rear suspension, rear quarter panel, bumper, door, etc. ALL have to be replaced. The car will never be the same and if I ever try to sell it I will never get what a non-accident car will be worth. My advice to you is to push as hard as you can to have the car totalled and go buy something else. I will be replacing mine with another X5 if it does get totalled. Once you drive a German car nothing compares in driving feel...nothing.

Submitted by jpinpb on April 2, 2010 - 1:34pm.

Any thoughts on a R32 Golf?

Submitted by briansd1 on April 2, 2010 - 1:42pm.

jpinpb wrote:

Definitely manual.

Congratulations for driving stick. Few women can drive stick.

Submitted by svelte on April 2, 2010 - 1:45pm.

jpinpb wrote:

I also hear that in 2011 I will be able to get a Fiat Abarth here in the U.S. and that seems like something fun.

I also wouldn't mind getting another TT, but I think that'll be out of my practical budget.

Wow, my kinda woman...knows a lot about cars and likes fun ones! lol

Can't go wrong with a Camaro SS...I love'em too. I saw my first one in downtown SF last August and my tongue's been out ever since.

I too am awaiting the return of Fiats to our shores...Alfas are coming back, too!

But since you're in a pinch right now, here are the things that you could buy today (though the Camaro is a grand idea and I don't discourage that choice at all):

- Volkwagen CC (these things are gorgeous in black or silver! And I'm not a VW guy...your Golf R32 idea is great also)
- 2009-2011 BMW Z4 (not a big BMW guy, but this is sharp)
- Mustang/Camaro/Challenger (love'em all)
- 2010 Vette GS (base vette cost with Z06 looks...drool!)
- Nissan 370Z vert w/manual (I like these)
- Volvo C30 (I know, it's a boring Volvo...but in right color and at right angles, it's a beauty)
- Mini (problem: everyone and their dog has one now)

I know some of those are outside your price parameters, but if you're like me you'll end up blowing through your target anyway when you sign on the dotted line. :-)

If you could hold out until Sept or so, the 2011 Mustang V6 gets more HP than my wifes 3 yo Mustang V8 and gets 31 MPG to boot! It is supposed to be a screamer...

If you can hold out TWO years, the 2012 Tesla S looks to be a standout...

Whatever you get, I'd love to hear about it...

Submitted by werewolf34 on April 2, 2010 - 1:49pm.

Repair central...Same for a GTI but it is a bucket of fun

Submitted by jpinpb on April 2, 2010 - 2:00pm.

briansd1 wrote:

Congratulations for driving stick. Few women can drive stick.

No way would I get an automatic. In fact, when I got the TT it was not intentional. I was looking for a turbo beetle at Miramar Audi/VW and they only had auto. Then they tried to sell me a convertible bug and I didn't want it b/c it looked like an abberation of a beetle. They had the TT convertible right next to the bug convertible and I said, "If I want a convertible, I just as soon get a TT." Half kidding. The guy said it was a certified pre-owned and they would give me a deal. Once I test drove it, that was it for me.

So a friend said to check for a certified pre-owned Boxster S, like 2005/2006. Would be a little over my 30k limit. Any thoughts?

Submitted by Coronita on April 2, 2010 - 2:02pm.

Just about every VAG (VW/Audi) with an FSI engine most likely is going to need a lot of T&C...Also, VW/Audi are one of the most expensive cars to maintain at when you get into high mileage because of high labor costs (parts are cheap). The issue is most moderate work requires removal of the front end (bumper, radiator in lock position,etc). This includes belts, alternator, timing belts. The traverse mounted engines are the worst.

Submitted by DataAgent on April 2, 2010 - 2:05pm.

My weekend car is a C6 Corvette. You can get a babied 2-3 year old Corvette for low 30s. Used Corvettes hold their value pretty good too.

Atomic Orange is my favorite color:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct...

Submitted by Coronita on April 2, 2010 - 2:08pm.

jpinpb wrote:
briansd1 wrote:

Congratulations for driving stick. Few women can drive stick.

No way would I get an automatic. In fact, when I got the TT it was not intentional. I was looking for a turbo beetle at Miramar Audi/VW and they only had auto. Then they tried to sell me a convertible bug and I didn't want it b/c it looked like an abberation of a beetle. They had the TT convertible right next to the bug convertible and I said, "If I want a convertible, I just as soon get a TT." Half kidding. The guy said it was a certified pre-owned and they would give me a deal. Once I test drove it, that was it for me.

So a friend said to check for a certified pre-owned Boxster S, like 2005/2006. Would be a little over my 30k limit. Any thoughts?

Porsches are reliable. But, maintanence isn't cheap.

Submitted by Coronita on April 2, 2010 - 2:14pm.

jpinpb wrote:
Any thoughts on a R32 Golf?

If you don't mind the size. How about Mini cooper s convertible? Or for more, the john cooper works edition.

If you can find a deal. Lotus Elise...Decent reliability considering the engine is from Toyota.

Submitted by svelte on April 2, 2010 - 2:14pm.

DataAgent wrote:
My weekend car is a C6 Corvette. You can get a babied 2-3 year old Corvette for low 30s. Used Corvettes hold their value pretty good too.

Atomic Orange is my favorite color:

You are so right about that color. I pass one every day and it is awesome.

Submitted by jpinpb on April 2, 2010 - 2:16pm.

You guys are great. Thanks for your input. This is going to be tough. Nothing wrong w/any of the cars mentioned. How do I go from an Audi TT to another car? This is such a bummer. I know in the scheme of life, this is nothing and I am grateful to be alive, that we had our seat belts and weren't ejected through the windshield. But getting another car is a little of a dilemma.

Submitted by svelte on April 2, 2010 - 2:16pm.

jpinpb wrote:

So a friend said to check for a certified pre-owned Boxster S, like 2005/2006. Would be a little over my 30k limit. Any thoughts?

As I recall, all work must be done from underneath which will drive up maintenance/repair costs.

Submitted by Coronita on April 2, 2010 - 2:18pm.

svelte wrote:
jpinpb wrote:

So a friend said to check for a certified pre-owned Boxster S, like 2005/2006. Would be a little over my 30k limit. Any thoughts?

As I recall, all work must be done from underneath which will drive up maintenance/repair costs.

Yup. Actually, some routine stuff just needs to be done underneath with the engine being lowered. But most other moderate work requires the engine to be lowered....

Labor costs is the suck in maintanance in the U.S.

Submitted by 8bitnintendo on April 2, 2010 - 2:20pm.

paramount wrote:

If I were looking for a good performing car, with a reasonable price and great reliability I think there is only one choice:

2010 Mazda Speed3 (mid 20's at the most...)


+1 on the MS3, I have a 2008 and I absolutely love it. It doesn't get great gas mileage though (especially the way I drive.) Around 25 mpg highway, 17-18 mpg city... of premium gas.

Submitted by Coronita on April 2, 2010 - 2:22pm.

Hey, I thought of another two if you don't mind the styling.

2005-06
Subaru WRX :)

Though, you might feel it's a step down in the interior ammenties. Your issue is going to be Audi has one of the best interiors, and just about everything else is going to look subpar.

Submitted by DataAgent on April 2, 2010 - 2:31pm.

svelte wrote:
DataAgent wrote:
My weekend car is a C6 Corvette. You can get a babied 2-3 year old Corvette for low 30s. Used Corvettes hold their value pretty good too.

Atomic Orange is my favorite color:

You are so right about that color. I pass one every day and it is awesome.

GM dropped Atomic Orange in 2010. In 2011 they will be using Inferno Orange. The same orange on the current Camaro.

I just can't imagine a C6 Corvette in this color:
http://www.gwjamaica.com/wp-content/gall...

Submitted by jpinpb on April 2, 2010 - 2:34pm.

flu wrote:
Hey, I thought of another two if you don't mind the styling.

2005-06
Subaru WRX :)

Well, heck. I might as well get an Evo ;)

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