OT. PC is in Rush is out

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Submitted by briansd1 on October 13, 2009 - 1:52pm

That should get conservatives all riled-up.

Rush Limbaugh's bid to buy the St. Louis Rams ran into opposition within the NFL on Tuesday. Colts owner Jim Irsay vowed to vote against him, and commissioner Roger Goodell said the conservative commentator's "divisive" comments would not be tolerated from any NFL insider.

"I, myself, couldn't even consider voting for him," Irsay said at an owners meetings. "When there are comments that have been made that are inappropriate, incendiary and insensitive ... our words do damage, and it's something that we don't need."

"Divisive comments are not what the NFL is all about," commissioner Roger Goodell said. "I would not want to see those kind of comments from people who are in a responsible position in the NFL."

Prominent blacks are already lining up against Limbaugh, including the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. NFL Players Association head DeMaurice Smith, who also is black, urged players to speak out against Limbaugh's bid, and several have already said they would not play for his team.

But Irsay is the first owner who has stated unequivocally he would reject Limbaugh if it comes up for a vote. Prospective owners must be approved by 24 of the league's 32 teams.

Irsay said at first that he would consult with people he respected, such as defensive lineman Dwight Freeney, coach Jim Caldwell and former coach Tony Dungy, all of whom are black. But later, the owner said he did not need to get anyone else's input before rejecting someone who made a habit of "demonizing individuals."

"I met Rush only once. He seemed like a nice guy to me and all those kind of things," Irsay said. "It's bigger than the NFL. As a nation, and as a world, we've got to watch our words and our thoughts. They can do damage."

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2...

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on October 14, 2009 - 11:05am.

Wow I can't wait for this to play out.

Fun stuff indeed. If they reject him it could give him ammo/bumper music/silly jingles for years to come. Imagine all the dittoheads sending letters to the owners that vote no.

This one will be fun. Frankly I don't care if the owners don't approve him, it's their little club, let them pick and choose. Just be ready to answer questions about why you are such a PC wuss.

Apparently his words hurt people more than thought of the slit throats of used up pit bulls.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 14, 2009 - 3:03pm.

I actually want Rush to get his NFL franchise.

We'll see how he manages that franchise with all the calls for boycott that he'll deal with everyday.

Perhaps Rush knows that he won't get the franchise so he's just setting himself up to be denied.

Then, he'll have all the outrage that he needs to fuel the fire of his listeners for years.

The NFL culture is interesting. It's a "Kansan" past time but Blacks are coming to dominate the sport. So "Kansans" won't have any choice but to cheer on Black players as they root for their teams.

I believe that Blacks will eventually dominate all sports that require speed and power. Blacks don't play tennis much now, but give it a couple decades and will see Black athletes dominate the sport.

The social conservatives better watch out.... After the public schools and rap, football and sports will be co-opting the hearts and minds of their kids. Perhaps country music will remain safe for a while (but even that is being co-opted by the top 40 pop).

Submitted by patb on October 14, 2009 - 3:06pm.

briansd1 wrote:
I actually want Rush to get his NFL franchise.

We'll see how he manages that franchise with all the calls for boycott that he'll deal with everyday.

.

Frankly I'd just like to watch him lose money all day long.

Limbaugh has not been able to manage anything other then his mouth
for his lifetime. So, give him a complicated organization and
watch him annoy all the back office people, interfere with the
managers and coaches and piss off the players.

If he can't recruit good talent, the fans will lose interest and he can
become disliked and lose games.

Frankly the other owners should vote for him because he'll make
talent cheaper.

Submitted by FormerSanDiegan on October 14, 2009 - 4:24pm.

What do you mean by "Kansan" ?

Have you ever any significant time in Kansas ?

Some of the Best BBQ and Blues comes from the KC area which includes, you guessed it, Kansas City Kansas (KCK).

BBQ and the Blues were dominated by blacks also.

Submitted by Hobie on October 14, 2009 - 5:16pm.

mmm BBQ !!!

Rush is a sharp guy. Do you really think he will involved in the day to day operations? Doubt it. It's for bragging rights and investment only. And I'm sure a little slap to ESPN.

Plus, he will bring a lot of new fans to his team and all the publicity ( look what is happening now! ) will swell viewers thus creating a large advertising base.

Smart like a fox.

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on October 14, 2009 - 7:44pm.

Looks like this is dead, too bad. I wanted to see a dick like Irsay have to take stand.

Brian do you or did you play any sports that are power/fast-twitch dominated? You'd be surprised with today's weight training, and advanced plyometrics there are some damn athletic white boys out there. My son watched Brandon Chillar work out all summer and he can freakin' move. Hell he is half East-Indian. You don't play OLB in the league if don't have some fast-twitch my friend.

I am sure Allan sees the same trend. Don't get me wrong the teams will still be majority black, I just don't think it's going to get much worse.

As far as the Rush thing I wish it would have played out a little more. I'd love to see some rich cats having to sweat a little and take sides...

Submitted by briansd1 on October 14, 2009 - 8:35pm.

Cardiff, I'm embarrassed to admit that I played wussy sports such as skiing, snowboarding, surfing, tennis, horseback riding. I thought that golf was boring. I even tried car racing but I sucked at it. I couldn't excel even at the autocross. But I can still ski any black diamond slope out there.

To be honest, I never liked team sports such as football and basketball with too many rules where you have to depend on your team mates. Plus I was too small to compete. Never liked beer much so that takes the social aspects of watching out of it.

Tennis is still an "elite" sport because there are no tennis courts in the inner city and tennis is an expensive culture (clothes, shoes, club, etc...).

I have no doubt that blacks will eventually dominate tennis. The Williams sisters are a good example.

Yeah, too bad that Rush was not even considered.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 14, 2009 - 9:36pm.

Cardiff: You're right and I have to laugh at those people that still cling to the Black versus White (Brian, that would be you) notions of football.

Speak with any sports physiologist or kinesiologist and actually educate yourself. Then watch some HS, college and pro ball and note the changing nature of the sport (from "run first" half a generation ago to "pass first to set the run" now). The move towards spread and open offenses (Texas Tech, Boise State) and multiple LB and DB defenses (West Virginia and The U) has fundamentally changed the sport and the athletes that play it.

It's interesting you didn't play football. I hear a lot of people mouthing off about their "understanding" of that sport and they generally don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Hey, CB, on another note: Do you know anything about running/speed coach Dan Basket? He hails from Carlsbad and is supposedly well regarded. My 11yo son, who plays OT and DE, is signed up in his speed and agility class (and, hey, he's a white boy!).

Submitted by briansd1 on October 14, 2009 - 11:53pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

It's interesting you didn't play football. I hear a lot of people mouthing off about their "understanding" of that sport and they generally don't have a clue what they're talking about.

That's true. I admit that I don't have much of a clue about football.

I'm just saying that sports and pop culture usually win the hearts and minds of young Americans. That's not necessarily in keeping with the family values that are dear to conservatives.

I also wonder if Rush listeners will be less fervent football fans after he rants about the PC NFL on his show. I'm thinking that in the end, if people have to choose between Rush and football, football will win.

I'm just looking at this as a sociological interest.

I don't pretend to understand the sport of football. That would be almost a full-time job.

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on October 15, 2009 - 9:04am.

Allen our kids (meaning the school) all workout with Doug Hix and crew. Brandon Chillar (from Carlsbad High) is one of his clients and thus why the kids all saw him working out all summer. If you go to his Wikipedia page you'll see his measureables which are pretty damn good for a white/east Indian boy. On a 6'3" 240+ frame a 36 inch vertical (translates to power Brian).

The thing to remember about NFL guys Brian is that they are athletic freaks of nature. Not your normal human being. Everything they do is faster than just about anyone else. The only way Chillar can get to the edge to stop the outside sweep with a running back who's likely a sub 11.0 100M dash is with speed. If anything I see more fast white kids than I've seen in a long time. His 40 time is listed at 4.71 on a frame that is pretty good sized, and there are running backs that size and weight probably running in the 4.4-4.5 range.

Tennis on the other hand does not require athletic freaks. You must have technique to the nth degree to compete at high levels. Athleticism won't hurt you, it will only help, but it's not the determining factor whether a player makes it to the top. Much like baseball, at the end of the day, it's really about how well you can hit a moving target. Baseball they like prospects to be about a 7.0 in the 60 yard dash, which is above average but not blazing, and the really fast guys are down in the 6.3-6.4 range, while some 1B/P types who can rake can be above 7.0. As an aside I consider myself to be extremely knowledgeable about the baseball swing, and I use a Rafael Nadal clip with some of my hitters to show them how to thrust from the back hip.

Nothing wrong with the sports you played, because it's likely kept you more active. I was a strictly baseball/basketball/football type kid and when the glory was gone I kind of let myself go (after military anyway). So your sports were good too, I just want you to be aware that the color thing is overblown. The Williams sisters have been on the scene for what seems like 10 years, where are the new kids?

Oops got side-tracked Allen. I do not know the guy you are asking about, Dan Basket and google isn't helping. I actually live in Carlsbad now. I've been thinking of taking my kids to the guy at Athlete's Edge (Vista/Carlsbad area) for some "technique", as both seem to have a poor lean as they sprint. I am fine with Doug Hix crew for the strength and agility, but I think mine could stand a couple of individual lessons (maybe 3-4) on better mechanics. Not something my far arse can demonstrate. I can't find anything by that name online, but I'd be interested if you use him on how good he is.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 15, 2009 - 9:56am.

Cardiff: I've also noticed that kids are bigger now, too, in addition to being faster.

Back when I played (1979 - 1983), I maxed out at 5'11" and 215 and was considered big for a middle linebacker. Our biggest guy was our left tackle on O and he went 6'3" and 270, which was very big for the position at that time.

The kid playing Mike backer now at my HS is 6'2" and 247 and is stupid FAST. I went up there to hang out with some buddies and watch a rivalry game and this kid (who is all of 16 and playing first string varsity) was just bringing the hat and play after play. They were using him on man-to-man coverage for the slot receiver and he was holding his own.

Back in my day, if I had to pass cover anyone other than a fullback or the tight end, I was friggin' doomed.

Different sport now and the amount of resources, from one-on-one coaching to Xbox 360 and Madden 10, have completely changed the game. Bigger, faster and stronger rules the day.

I'll look into Hix. This Basket dude has worked with quite a few of the pros, including Leinart, so I was curious if you'd heard of him.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 15, 2009 - 10:01am.

briansd1 wrote:
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

It's interesting you didn't play football. I hear a lot of people mouthing off about their "understanding" of that sport and they generally don't have a clue what they're talking about.

That's true. I admit that I don't have much of a clue about football.

I'm just saying that sports and pop culture usually win the hearts and minds of young Americans. That's not necessarily in keeping with the family values that are dear to conservatives.

I also wonder if Rush listeners will be less fervent football fans after he rants about the PC NFL on his show. I'm thinking that in the end, if people have to choose between Rush and football, football will win.

I'm just looking at this as a sociological interest.

I don't pretend to understand the sport of football. That would be almost a full-time job.

Brian: I would be interested in your take on the NFL being a plantation style organization.

The TE at my HS went on to play three years of pro ball (two with the Falcons and one with the 49ers) and his three year career equals the average NFL career (the joke being that NFL stands for "Not For Long"). From HS through pros, he's had no less than 17 separate surgeries and on everything from his ankles to his neck. Its been said that, in the NFL, there's "stars" and "parts" (he was the "parts").

So, keeping that in mind, Brian, and juxtaposing the ownership (largely white) with the players (mostly black), what's your take on that? You said you were interested in the sociological aspects of football, well, this is about as "sociological" as it gets, right?

Submitted by patb on October 15, 2009 - 3:28pm.

Hobie wrote:
mmm BBQ !!!

Rush is a sharp guy. Do you really think he will involved in the day to day operations? Doubt it. It's for bragging rights and investment only. And I'm sure a little slap to ESPN.

Plus, he will bring a lot of new fans to his team and all the publicity ( look what is happening now! ) will swell viewers thus creating a large advertising base.

Smart like a fox.

Rushis an idiot. That he's been allowed to climb into the power positions
of the GOP says what poor strategists they are

Look, if he wants a team, I am all in favor. See if he can make St Louis
a national brand like Dallas or SF or Chicago.

Frankly I think he'd demoralize the team.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 15, 2009 - 4:30pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

Brian: I would be interested in your take on the NFL being a plantation style organization.

Interesting. I've have to think about this a little. But he's what comes immediately to mind.

The players make quite a bit of money. But they can be "parts" as you say.

I guess, it's much better to be a well-paid slave than a slave that's not paid at all.

Those who save their money and manage it well can buy freedom for the whole village -- something like the sacrifice of one for the benefit of all.

Ball players can easily get the hot blonde (real or fake) models that even the regular white boys can't touch. Guess who's coming to dinner?

Sports and entertainment celebrities are the new cream of the crop. I can picture a Black person like Arnold Schwarzenegger marrying into an elite American family.

I think that sports is good. It brings people together. The more the better.

The military is also good. When people work together they build trust and respect and become friends. I see so many interracial couples these days, of which one is in the military.

I've noticed that at Walmart (yes I shop there but don't tell anyone) and Frys, Best Buy and the major shopping centers.

Working class Blacks and Whites have a lot in common. Too bad race divides them.

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on October 15, 2009 - 5:51pm.

Hix lists all his NFL clients on his site.

Here is a sample:
http://www.playfast.net/pfa_clients/nfl_...

I imagine most of these guys you can't go wrong.

Yes my 9th grade son is 5'11" 170, and I remember freshman football being 5'7" 130. Also my shoe size was maybe 9 (now 12) and he is already 12. I grew to be 6'0" in HS, and about 6'1" now, so I hope he is on the same program. Chicks dig the longball. One guy said a rule of thumb is a boy is 6-8 inches taller than mom, I hope it holds out since the wife is 5'10". Heck 4-5 more inches would be good and that's what I grew after 9th grade.

Amazing the quality of athlete around here on the youth level.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 15, 2009 - 6:31pm.

Cardiff: Chicks dated the QBs, but partied with the linebackers.

I coached a Spring 8 football team in AYF, prior to going back to Pop Warner for fall ball and saw some amazing speed and in 7th and 8th graders (I also saw 8th graders who were 6' and had full beards, which was also friggin' amazing).

Like you say, football is a sport that features some true freaks of nature, athletically, and they're only getting bigger, stronger and faster.

Not being immodest, but I was recruited to play Catholic school ball and largely because I could deliver the mail, but the hits I see now make me wince. Some of these DBs, especially the safeties, are like guided missiles and play with the hitting ability of linebackers.

Submitted by CardiffBaseball on October 15, 2009 - 7:53pm.

Allen the two big Catholic schools in my neck of the woods were powerhouses. The best one was Youngstown Cardinal Mooney. Just as an example Mooney grads are currently head coach of:

Oklahoma Sooners
Nebraska Cornhuskers
Arizona Wildcats

Of course two are brothers, (Stoops) but not bad for a small school. Numerous state titles, and of course even today Ohio is a football factory so if you win state you are doing something good. I see Cathedral Catholic being absolutely sick in the coming years. Drawing from the population bases up I-5, I-15 and along 56 in north county, they will just be loaded.

By the way some other big time college coaches from the NE Ohio are Tressel at Ohio State, Les Miles at LSU and that guy Urban Meyer who is doing ok at Florida. Football is big.... Hell Josh McDaniels from Denver his dad was the head coach at Warren Harding for all the years my wife taught in the schools there. Guy was a legend went from Canton Mckinley, to Warren Harding and finally to Massilon all well regarded HS programs. Josh is what 33?

Why so many great coaches from there?

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 15, 2009 - 8:36pm.

CB: Catholic schools throughout the country play "program" football (essentially all built on the old Knute Rockne Notre Dame program). Plus, they recruit like crazy (example being Maurice Jones-Drew playing for De LaSalle up in Concord).

I happen to know Sean Doyle at Cathedral, and he is following the De LaSalle and Mater Dei model/program (Fallbrook's varsity coach is a Mater Dei alum) to the letter.

I remember Moeller HS when I was a kid and in HS (at that time, Moeller was the only HS to ever be featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated). I heard a story about an Anheuser-Busch district manager in St. Louis who wanted his kid to play for Moeller. Augie Busch (big-time Catholic) bought the family house in St. Louis, moved the family to Cincy so the kid could play at Moeller (he went on to Notre Dame after Moeller) and then moved them back to St. Louis after he graduated.

The truly successful programs are just that: Programs. Built to consistently win and they don't rely solely on talent. We went 52-3-1 over four seasons, including three CCS championships (NorCal's version of CIF) and we were NOT the most talented group of athletes. We were incredibly disciplined and well coached and we didn't make mistakes (we went a three game period without a single defensive penalty). We also started every season with three sets of uniforms: Home, Away and Playoff. No shit. Call it arrogance, but we knew from the jump what was expected of us and played accordingly.

I watched Cincinnati - University of South Florida play tonight and the difference between the two teams was striking. One played disciplined, controlled football (Cincy) and the other played strictly on the back of their talent. Which team won? You guessed it: Cincy.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on October 16, 2009 - 1:12pm.

LIAR LIAR

HuffPo, Rick Sanchez retract phony Limbaugh quotes

No harm in admitting the lie now that his NFL bid’s dead. First, via the Standard, comes this belated HuffPo postscript to a post that’s three years old:

"Editor’s Note: An earlier version of this post contained quotes attributed to Rush Limbaugh, which Limbaugh has since denied making. As is our policy when a fact in a blog post is called into question, we gave its author 24 hours to substantiate the quote. Since he has not been able to do so, the quotes have been deleted from the post.'

"And now here’s Sanchez, kinda sorta apologizing — on Twitter — for airing the bogus slavery quote on his show earlier this week: i’ve know rush. in person,i like him. his rhetoric,however is inexcusably divisive. he’s right tho. we didn’t confirm quote. our bad."

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/15/hu...

"Thanks to an intrepid blogger with the tag Trapdoc posting a letter to Mark Steyn, the search for the Wikipedia Libelist responsible for damaging posts to the Rush Limbaugh account has been narrowed to the IP address of a New York City law firm: The quotes were added by a user with the IP address of 69.64.213.146. This address has been used mostly to make changes to the article about Rush, but also Karl Rove, Sean Hannity,.. James Dobson and Sara Palin from 2005 until earlier this year."

"While others have noted this in various forums, no one seems to have made the connection that this IP address is used as a gateway by the law firm Patterson Belknap Webb & Tyler LLP (see here, for example) that all users from that IP address come from the pbwt.com domain.)"

"Update: it is possible the IP has addressed has been spoofed, or that another firm has access to it. There can be no presumption that Patterson Belknap is the source at this point."
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009...

Submitted by briansd1 on October 16, 2009 - 1:42pm.

Zeitgeist wrote:

HuffPo, Rick Sanchez retract phony Limbaugh quotes

Are you saying that there as a left wing conspiracy to deny Rush an NFL team?

I honestly wish he had been allowed to buy.

I'm bummed out. Rush's opponents should have held their guns for a while.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 16, 2009 - 2:05pm.

briansd1 wrote:
Zeitgeist wrote:

HuffPo, Rick Sanchez retract phony Limbaugh quotes

Are you saying that there as a left wing conspiracy to deny Rush an NFL team?

I honestly wish he had been allowed to buy.

I'm bummed out. Rush's opponents should have held their guns for a while.

Brian: Your notion that left wingers don't "play dirty" like the right wingers is a fallacy and has been proven as such consistently throughout this year.

Whether its categorizing average Americans as "Nazis" or "un-American" for voicing opinions contrary to the Administration or the Democrats, or the willingness to engage in a vicious smear campaign (and ascribing remarks to Limbaugh that he never made); we're now seeing the Left in all its glory.

The only good news is that we're finally seeing the end of the racist meme being played out. Average folks are realizing what a cowardly and underhanded tactic calling racism on someone is.

Poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have been pulling this shit for years. Its despicable, but whites are too afraid to say anything because the charge is so lethal.

And for someone like Jim Irsay, who has engaged in plantation style business for years, to call Rush a racist, is laughable in the extreme.

Hey, Jim, why don't you take some of your millions and help some of your former players out of poverty and medical misery? What a fucking tool.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on October 16, 2009 - 2:17pm.

Brian,
Those were quotes. Unlike you I cite references. You just pull stuff out of your ass. I did not say anything about a conspiracy. I wish Rich would kick you for making crap up all the time and trying to start fights. At least most of the other left of center folks are honest. You are an extremely dishonest jerk. Gandalf has a different belief system than I do and was very passionate about it, but he never resorted to the kind of treachery you do. Why don't you spread your hatred somewhere else?

Submitted by briansd1 on October 16, 2009 - 2:41pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

Brian: Your notion that left wingers don't "play dirty" like the right wingers is a fallacy and has been proven as such consistently throughout this year.

I didn't say that. I said that progressives were not as good as conservatives in playing hardball.

Progressives are only now getting the hang of make-your-blood-boil politics. Bill Moyers claims to be that but he's hardly, IMO.

When you're a day-dreaming hippy intellectual (as many of the right like to disparage liberals) you can't really match the hard one-liners of the right.

I actually give a lot credit to the conservatives for being able to rally the masses around hot button issues, like gay marriage, defense, terrorism, abortion, reverse discrimination, etc... That's very smart of them.

Conservatives claim that NPR/PBS is liberal media. Compare the tone of NPR/PBS to Fox and tell me which is more intellectually honest.

I've always told liberals that if they can't stand the heat they should stay out of the kitchen.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 16, 2009 - 2:38pm.

Zeitgeist wrote:
Brian,
Those were quotes. Unlike you I cite references.

What the point or regurgitating what the conservative blogs are saying if you don't give some added value?

It seems like you're just spamming to drive traffic to those sites.

At least give it some commentary. That's what a blog format is for.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on October 16, 2009 - 2:43pm.

What's the point of you lying and misquoting. Did you go to public school?

Submitted by briansd1 on October 16, 2009 - 2:47pm.

I don't lie, I interpret.

I went to both private and public schools.

What's your beef with public schools?

Submitted by Zeitgeist on October 16, 2009 - 2:54pm.

My beef is they are run by people who interpret history rather than factually report it. Go back and read some of Allan's questions to you and point out where you answered any of them. Usually you resort to name calling and Bush blaming and changing the subject. You are a one trick pony. I do not care whether Rush is a minority owner or not. What would be said about a liberal that was denied ownership of anything in this country on the basis of his political views? That is the point of this you discussion. It is about a person's right to speak their mind even if it is offensive. Some of our forefather's died for that right. Your ignorance is disgusting and only matched by your lack of balance.

I would rather fight with Gandalf and have him call me obscene names than have your "interpretation." It is just a fancy way of lying.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 16, 2009 - 3:27pm.

Zeitgeist wrote:
My beef is they are run by people who interpret history rather than factually report it. Go back and read some of Allan's questions to you and point out where you answered any of them.

If you don't interpret history and learn from it, then what do you with it?

I don't pose questions to Allan. And I wouldn't expect him to answer my all my questions even if I did. This is not middle school where someone is the teacher and gets to assign the homework.

I did answer some of Allan's questions (the plantation business question for example).

Zeitgeist, if anyone should banned from Piggington it is you for constantly spamming with links to other sites without offering context and relevance.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on October 16, 2009 - 6:42pm.

Don't go to the link. I put them there as a reference, like a footnote, in case anyone wants to see the entire article.

Submitted by briansd1 on October 16, 2009 - 7:13pm.

Zeitgeist, consistently posting links to obscure sites without comments to make the links relevant to the discussion thread is spam.

It would be like spamming advertising to drive traffic to the sites in question -- sites that people don't know to go to on their own.

It seems like you're relentlessly trying to generate traffic from Piggington to the linked sites.

If one links to a major news outlet then everyone knows that it's a reference to current events.

If one links to youtube, then people know that it's a funny video or something like that.

Zeitgeist, what you do is different. You are the only one who regularly spams to conservative opinion blogs.

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