Gandalf: You know, it’s odd. Gandalf: You know, it’s odd. A few days back, I was musing that I hadn’t seen anything from you in a while. Now I’m thinking that I coulda gone a while longer.
You think I don’t know that the Raiders are gonna have a wretched season?
Did you see what Peyton did to the Steelers? The rest of the AFC West is gonna have a wretched season, too.
Rich Toscano
September 15, 2012 @
4:40 PM
Here’s what I don’t get. I Here’s what I don’t get. I am fully aware that I could not do anything these guys do.
– If I tried to catch an NFL qb’s pass, the football would pass right through my dainty fingers and lodge itself in my shattered sternum.
– Any attempt on my part to tackle any of these guys would end with me begging for the sweet release of death as I sprayed geysers of blood all over the perfectly nice astroturf.
– If I were to try to long snap, I would probably miss the kicker 9 out of 10 times.
But here’s the thing: the ball would go in the air. It would fly over the kicker’s head, or maybe 2 yards to the left… but it would get airborne.
So I am not trying to be a jerk here, I honestly don’t understand… how did the ball not even get airborne? How does it just roll on the ground — twice?
Perhaps one of you more football-savvy gents can help me understand. Again, not trying to bag on this poor guy (a local, no less) any more than has happened already. Just trying to understand the mechanics at work.
Allan from Fallbrook
September 15, 2012 @
5:43 PM
Rich: Long snapping is Rich: Long snapping is actually an art and really good long snappers are worth their weight in gold in the NFL (as became painfully apparent when Oakland’s first stringer, Condo, went out after sustaining a blow to the back of the head and his replacement immediately stank up the joint).
Remember, the punter is a full 10 to 15 yards behind the line of s scrimmage, versus 5 to 7 for a QB in shotgun or 4 to 5 for a QB in pistol formation. Add to that distance the difficulty of getting the ball right about waist high on the punter, so that he can position the ball properly for the punt
All in all, a thoroughly thankless job and one few players can do really well, which was also on gruesome display in Monday night’s game.
Boy, I remember when the Raiders were the masters of Monday night. Of course, I also remember ABBA.
SD Realtor
September 15, 2012 @
9:49 PM
Allan I was thinking of you Allan I was thinking of you the entire game.
Rich you gotta remember that you have to snap the ball and you have gap responsibilities to help one of the gaurds out. Then you have to remember your lane assigment based on the direction of the kick.
Last year the Chargers had two blocked punts by the Raiders so this was some sort of odd poetic justice. I will say that the punt that the Chargers blocked as opposed to the two bad snaps actually was a good snap. Someone didn’t cover up a lane….
All in all the Raiders lost the game more then the Chargers won the game due to special teams, a few offsides calls, and some off the wall play calling. Oakland controlled the first have with the exception of a long pass to Meachem. They should have had many more points on the board.
Rivers didn’t turn the ball over nor did the Bolts fumble. The defense was okay but in the first half was fairly weak. They had a good third quarter though.
Niners look tough this year. Unfortunately I think the ponies are gonna roll through the afc west unless peyton gets hurt.
outtamojo
September 16, 2012 @
12:36 AM
This long snapping fiasco This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.
Allan from Fallbrook
September 16, 2012 @
10:31 AM
outtamojo wrote:This long [quote=outtamojo]This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.[/quote]
Oakland should be starting Pryor anyway. That geriatric Carson just ain’t gettin’ it done.
outtamojo
September 16, 2012 @
1:09 PM
Allan from Fallbrook [quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=outtamojo]This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.[/quote]
Oakland should be starting Pryor anyway. That geriatric Carson just ain’t gettin’ it done.[/quote]
After this latest debacle in Miami, I am inclined to agree. Screw the passing yards, could not get it done on 3rd down.Trade Palmer for a bag of peanuts and find out if Pryor can win in the NFL.
Allan from Fallbrook
September 16, 2012 @
1:36 PM
outtamojo wrote:Allan from [quote=outtamojo][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=outtamojo]This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.[/quote]
Oakland should be starting Pryor anyway. That geriatric Carson just ain’t gettin’ it done.[/quote]
After this latest debacle in Miami, I am inclined to agree. Screw the passing yards, could not get it done on 3rd down.Trade Palmer for a bag of peanuts and find out if Pryor can win in the NFL.[/quote]
I think I’m going to join Gandalf and become a Niners fan. Losing to the friggin ‘Phins, are you kidding me?
scaredyclassic
September 16, 2012 @
3:04 PM
i cant think of a way to i cant think of a way to politicize this. if briansd1 were here i bet he could. use a fumble metaphor or something…
gandalf
September 15, 2012 @
5:07 PM
Heh, heh… Wassup AFF? I’m a Heh, heh… Wassup AFF? I’m a troll. I knew I’d getcha with that one. 😉
What the heck though? I couldn’t believe Raider special teams last week. For the first time ever, I actually felt bad for a football team. Raiders, no less!
Oh, also… We moved to NorCal. Yeah, no kidding. Last year. It’s cool up here. Living in the mountains, working in the valley. Go Niners! I’m on the bandwagon. Harbaugh was at USD there for a while.
Went to an A’s game last month, they demolished the Anaheim (not LA) Angels, awesome time. Oakland’s a gritty place. Bay Area has been cool.
Allan from Fallbrook
September 15, 2012 @
5:21 PM
gandalf wrote:Heh, heh… [quote=gandalf]Heh, heh… Wassup AFF? I’m a troll. I knew I’d getcha with that one. 😉
What the heck though? I couldn’t believe Raider special teams last week. For the first time ever, I actually felt bad for a football team. Raiders, no less!
Oh, also… We moved to NorCal. Yeah, no kidding. Last year. It’s cool up here. Living in the mountains, working in the valley. Go Niners! I’m on the bandwagon. Harbaugh was at USD there for a while.
Went to an A’s game last month, they demolished the Anaheim (not LA) Angels, awesome time. Oakland’s a gritty place. Bay Area has been cool.[/quote]
Gandalf: It’s interesting, but I know a lot of Niners fans who are also A’s fans, too. I refuse to support the AL until they do away with the Godless and communistic DH rule.
Yeah, Jim Harbaugh is the real deal. We brought a Fallbrook Pop Warner team to scrimmage a Temecula PW team when he was head coach at USD. He took the time to meet with all the little guys and had his players come out after the game and meet and talk to them as well. Very inspiring cat and very much an ambassador of the game.
Niners are the real deal. They put a serious beat down on the Pack and at Lambeau. Thanks for reminding me what an epically crappy season the Raiders will have.
Couldn’t we argue about politics instead? I’d absolutely LOVE to hear what you think about Mittens!
NotCranky
September 15, 2012 @
5:25 PM
Best post in months….sorry, Best post in months….sorry, squat250.
gandalf
September 16, 2012 @
3:17 PM
Watching football, grilling Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.
Allan from Fallbrook
September 16, 2012 @
3:45 PM
gandalf wrote:Watching [quote=gandalf]Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.[/quote]
Gandalf: There’s a crisp five dollar bill with your name on it, if you spill a beer on the Dolphins chick.
Watched the Cardinal put a hurt on the University of Spoiled Children yesterday. USC’s starting center is a freshman and he just got victimized all game long. You can see what the loss of those scholarships wrought. Still a lot of nasty left over from the Harbaugh era in Palo Alto.
desmond
September 18, 2012 @
1:29 PM
gandalf wrote:Watching [quote=gandalf]Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.[/quote]
Wow is this a threadjack! Going from a really bad team (Raiders) and then to a really good team (Stanford). Lets keep rubbing it in and stay with the really bad Raiders……
Allan from Fallbrook
September 18, 2012 @
1:52 PM
desmond wrote:gandalf [quote=desmond][quote=gandalf]Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.[/quote]
Wow is this a threadjack! Going from a really bad team (Raiders) and then to a really good team (Stanford). Lets keep rubbing it in and stay with the really bad Raiders……[/quote]
Desmond: The problem is this: The Raiders have transcended really bad and went directly to “unbelievably shitty”. I’d be surprised if they win a single game this year, without making sweeping changes. Miami is both hapless and inept and Oakland gave up 35 points to them and made Reggie Bush look like he was back at USC.
outtamojo
September 19, 2012 @
12:04 AM
Just an FYI, the ‘fins have Just an FYI, the ‘fins have not allowed >100 yards rushing for 16 straight games.
Perhaps they were bombed into submission but I didn’t bother to check that stat.
gandalf
September 23, 2012 @
5:01 PM
Are you kidding? Is anybody Are you kidding? Is anybody watching this?
Janikowski, about to win it for Oakland…
Veritas
September 23, 2012 @
6:43 PM
I am sure AFF was watching I am sure AFF was watching and cheering loudly.
SD Realtor
September 23, 2012 @
6:45 PM
Fantastic win for the raiders Fantastic win for the raiders today. They could have rolled over and let this one go but they hung in and played tough. Palmer looked pretty damn good today.
outtamojo
September 23, 2012 @
9:33 PM
Will the real Raider team Will the real Raider team please stand up?
SD Realtor
September 23, 2012 @
9:47 PM
Allan where are you?
That was Allan where are you?
That was the real Raider team. You never know what you will get on any given Sunday…
gandalf
September 24, 2012 @
8:43 PM
Heyward-Bey released from Heyward-Bey released from hospital today wih neck strain. Bad hit going up for a catch in the end zone.
Allan from Fallbrook
September 25, 2012 @
4:20 PM
outtamojo wrote:Will the real [quote=outtamojo]Will the real Raider team please stand up?[/quote]
I’m still stunned by the outcome of that game. Carson Palmer looked outstanding, the defense made stops when they needed to and that porcine drunk Janikowski nails the game winner.
Go figure.
outtamojo
October 1, 2012 @
12:42 AM
Will the real Raider team Will the real Raider team please sit back down…
That defense is 5 or 6 players away from being able to stop a good college offense on 3rd down.
SD Realtor
October 1, 2012 @
7:50 AM
Don’t sell Denver short. So Don’t sell Denver short. So far they had played the two best teams in football and in each game were much closer then the final score indicated.
Denver played crappy against and still managed a comeback at Atlanta. The Bolts got the crap beat out of them by Atlanta at home.
When the Bolts play Denver I would be pretty wary.
*************************************
I do agree with you about the Raiders though. It must be really hard to be a Raider fan with the roller coaster ride of never knowing what the hell you will get week to week.
Coronita
September 24, 2012 @
8:50 PM
You know the difference You know the difference between the niners and the raiders?
When the niner’s lose, the fans riot…
When the raiders lose, the fans riot….And when they win, they riot… Hell, they’ll riot for any reasons, just give them any excuses…That’s why they belong in L.A…..They should have changed their names to the L.A. Riots.
As for the Chargers, they’re no charge left in the team dudes… They should change their name to…
San Diego Viagra… Hell, they sure play like a bunch of old farts with ED. Had tickets to the game…Thank God work kept me away..That was ugly.
September 15, 2012 @ 3:01 PM
Gandalf: You know, it’s odd.
Gandalf: You know, it’s odd. A few days back, I was musing that I hadn’t seen anything from you in a while. Now I’m thinking that I coulda gone a while longer.
You think I don’t know that the Raiders are gonna have a wretched season?
Did you see what Peyton did to the Steelers? The rest of the AFC West is gonna have a wretched season, too.
September 15, 2012 @ 4:40 PM
Here’s what I don’t get. I
Here’s what I don’t get. I am fully aware that I could not do anything these guys do.
– If I tried to catch an NFL qb’s pass, the football would pass right through my dainty fingers and lodge itself in my shattered sternum.
– Any attempt on my part to tackle any of these guys would end with me begging for the sweet release of death as I sprayed geysers of blood all over the perfectly nice astroturf.
– If I were to try to long snap, I would probably miss the kicker 9 out of 10 times.
But here’s the thing: the ball would go in the air. It would fly over the kicker’s head, or maybe 2 yards to the left… but it would get airborne.
So I am not trying to be a jerk here, I honestly don’t understand… how did the ball not even get airborne? How does it just roll on the ground — twice?
Perhaps one of you more football-savvy gents can help me understand. Again, not trying to bag on this poor guy (a local, no less) any more than has happened already. Just trying to understand the mechanics at work.
September 15, 2012 @ 5:43 PM
Rich: Long snapping is
Rich: Long snapping is actually an art and really good long snappers are worth their weight in gold in the NFL (as became painfully apparent when Oakland’s first stringer, Condo, went out after sustaining a blow to the back of the head and his replacement immediately stank up the joint).
Remember, the punter is a full 10 to 15 yards behind the line of s scrimmage, versus 5 to 7 for a QB in shotgun or 4 to 5 for a QB in pistol formation. Add to that distance the difficulty of getting the ball right about waist high on the punter, so that he can position the ball properly for the punt
All in all, a thoroughly thankless job and one few players can do really well, which was also on gruesome display in Monday night’s game.
Boy, I remember when the Raiders were the masters of Monday night. Of course, I also remember ABBA.
September 15, 2012 @ 9:49 PM
Allan I was thinking of you
Allan I was thinking of you the entire game.
Rich you gotta remember that you have to snap the ball and you have gap responsibilities to help one of the gaurds out. Then you have to remember your lane assigment based on the direction of the kick.
Last year the Chargers had two blocked punts by the Raiders so this was some sort of odd poetic justice. I will say that the punt that the Chargers blocked as opposed to the two bad snaps actually was a good snap. Someone didn’t cover up a lane….
All in all the Raiders lost the game more then the Chargers won the game due to special teams, a few offsides calls, and some off the wall play calling. Oakland controlled the first have with the exception of a long pass to Meachem. They should have had many more points on the board.
Rivers didn’t turn the ball over nor did the Bolts fumble. The defense was okay but in the first half was fairly weak. They had a good third quarter though.
Niners look tough this year. Unfortunately I think the ponies are gonna roll through the afc west unless peyton gets hurt.
September 16, 2012 @ 12:36 AM
This long snapping fiasco
This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.
September 16, 2012 @ 10:31 AM
outtamojo wrote:This long
[quote=outtamojo]This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.[/quote]
Oakland should be starting Pryor anyway. That geriatric Carson just ain’t gettin’ it done.
September 16, 2012 @ 1:09 PM
Allan from Fallbrook
[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=outtamojo]This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.[/quote]
Oakland should be starting Pryor anyway. That geriatric Carson just ain’t gettin’ it done.[/quote]
After this latest debacle in Miami, I am inclined to agree. Screw the passing yards, could not get it done on 3rd down.Trade Palmer for a bag of peanuts and find out if Pryor can win in the NFL.
September 16, 2012 @ 1:36 PM
outtamojo wrote:Allan from
[quote=outtamojo][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=outtamojo]This long snapping fiasco starts up again they need to put T. Pryor back to punt or run for his life instead of Lechler.[/quote]
Oakland should be starting Pryor anyway. That geriatric Carson just ain’t gettin’ it done.[/quote]
After this latest debacle in Miami, I am inclined to agree. Screw the passing yards, could not get it done on 3rd down.Trade Palmer for a bag of peanuts and find out if Pryor can win in the NFL.[/quote]
I think I’m going to join Gandalf and become a Niners fan. Losing to the friggin ‘Phins, are you kidding me?
September 16, 2012 @ 3:04 PM
i cant think of a way to
i cant think of a way to politicize this. if briansd1 were here i bet he could. use a fumble metaphor or something…
September 15, 2012 @ 5:07 PM
Heh, heh… Wassup AFF? I’m a
Heh, heh… Wassup AFF? I’m a troll. I knew I’d getcha with that one. 😉
What the heck though? I couldn’t believe Raider special teams last week. For the first time ever, I actually felt bad for a football team. Raiders, no less!
Oh, also… We moved to NorCal. Yeah, no kidding. Last year. It’s cool up here. Living in the mountains, working in the valley. Go Niners! I’m on the bandwagon. Harbaugh was at USD there for a while.
Went to an A’s game last month, they demolished the Anaheim (not LA) Angels, awesome time. Oakland’s a gritty place. Bay Area has been cool.
September 15, 2012 @ 5:21 PM
gandalf wrote:Heh, heh…
[quote=gandalf]Heh, heh… Wassup AFF? I’m a troll. I knew I’d getcha with that one. 😉
What the heck though? I couldn’t believe Raider special teams last week. For the first time ever, I actually felt bad for a football team. Raiders, no less!
Oh, also… We moved to NorCal. Yeah, no kidding. Last year. It’s cool up here. Living in the mountains, working in the valley. Go Niners! I’m on the bandwagon. Harbaugh was at USD there for a while.
Went to an A’s game last month, they demolished the Anaheim (not LA) Angels, awesome time. Oakland’s a gritty place. Bay Area has been cool.[/quote]
Gandalf: It’s interesting, but I know a lot of Niners fans who are also A’s fans, too. I refuse to support the AL until they do away with the Godless and communistic DH rule.
Yeah, Jim Harbaugh is the real deal. We brought a Fallbrook Pop Warner team to scrimmage a Temecula PW team when he was head coach at USD. He took the time to meet with all the little guys and had his players come out after the game and meet and talk to them as well. Very inspiring cat and very much an ambassador of the game.
Niners are the real deal. They put a serious beat down on the Pack and at Lambeau. Thanks for reminding me what an epically crappy season the Raiders will have.
Couldn’t we argue about politics instead? I’d absolutely LOVE to hear what you think about Mittens!
September 15, 2012 @ 5:25 PM
Best post in months….sorry,
Best post in months….sorry, squat250.
September 16, 2012 @ 3:17 PM
Watching football, grilling
Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.
September 16, 2012 @ 3:45 PM
gandalf wrote:Watching
[quote=gandalf]Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.[/quote]
Gandalf: There’s a crisp five dollar bill with your name on it, if you spill a beer on the Dolphins chick.
Watched the Cardinal put a hurt on the University of Spoiled Children yesterday. USC’s starting center is a freshman and he just got victimized all game long. You can see what the loss of those scholarships wrought. Still a lot of nasty left over from the Harbaugh era in Palo Alto.
September 18, 2012 @ 1:29 PM
gandalf wrote:Watching
[quote=gandalf]Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.[/quote]
Wow is this a threadjack! Going from a really bad team (Raiders) and then to a really good team (Stanford). Lets keep rubbing it in and stay with the really bad Raiders……
September 18, 2012 @ 1:52 PM
desmond wrote:gandalf
[quote=desmond][quote=gandalf]Watching football, grilling some chicken, couple of beers. One of the girls here is a diehard Flippers fan. She’s flying high right now, just saw the Dolphins win a game.
BTW, anybody see Stanford crush USC yesterday? Wow. Holy cow their defense is good, just ferocious. USC QB Barkley must be hurting today. Some of those hits, he got smashed. Stanford has a very good team this year.[/quote]
Wow is this a threadjack! Going from a really bad team (Raiders) and then to a really good team (Stanford). Lets keep rubbing it in and stay with the really bad Raiders……[/quote]
Desmond: The problem is this: The Raiders have transcended really bad and went directly to “unbelievably shitty”. I’d be surprised if they win a single game this year, without making sweeping changes. Miami is both hapless and inept and Oakland gave up 35 points to them and made Reggie Bush look like he was back at USC.
September 19, 2012 @ 12:04 AM
Just an FYI, the ‘fins have
Just an FYI, the ‘fins have not allowed >100 yards rushing for 16 straight games.
Perhaps they were bombed into submission but I didn’t bother to check that stat.
September 23, 2012 @ 5:01 PM
Are you kidding? Is anybody
Are you kidding? Is anybody watching this?
Janikowski, about to win it for Oakland…
September 23, 2012 @ 6:43 PM
I am sure AFF was watching
I am sure AFF was watching and cheering loudly.
September 23, 2012 @ 6:45 PM
Fantastic win for the raiders
Fantastic win for the raiders today. They could have rolled over and let this one go but they hung in and played tough. Palmer looked pretty damn good today.
September 23, 2012 @ 9:33 PM
Will the real Raider team
Will the real Raider team please stand up?
September 23, 2012 @ 9:47 PM
Allan where are you?
That was
Allan where are you?
That was the real Raider team. You never know what you will get on any given Sunday…
September 24, 2012 @ 8:43 PM
Heyward-Bey released from
Heyward-Bey released from hospital today wih neck strain. Bad hit going up for a catch in the end zone.
September 25, 2012 @ 4:20 PM
outtamojo wrote:Will the real
[quote=outtamojo]Will the real Raider team please stand up?[/quote]
I’m still stunned by the outcome of that game. Carson Palmer looked outstanding, the defense made stops when they needed to and that porcine drunk Janikowski nails the game winner.
Go figure.
October 1, 2012 @ 12:42 AM
Will the real Raider team
Will the real Raider team please sit back down…
That defense is 5 or 6 players away from being able to stop a good college offense on 3rd down.
October 1, 2012 @ 7:50 AM
Don’t sell Denver short. So
Don’t sell Denver short. So far they had played the two best teams in football and in each game were much closer then the final score indicated.
Denver played crappy against and still managed a comeback at Atlanta. The Bolts got the crap beat out of them by Atlanta at home.
When the Bolts play Denver I would be pretty wary.
*************************************
I do agree with you about the Raiders though. It must be really hard to be a Raider fan with the roller coaster ride of never knowing what the hell you will get week to week.
September 24, 2012 @ 8:50 PM
You know the difference
You know the difference between the niners and the raiders?
When the niner’s lose, the fans riot…
When the raiders lose, the fans riot….And when they win, they riot… Hell, they’ll riot for any reasons, just give them any excuses…That’s why they belong in L.A…..They should have changed their names to the L.A. Riots.
As for the Chargers, they’re no charge left in the team dudes… They should change their name to…
San Diego Viagra… Hell, they sure play like a bunch of old farts with ED. Had tickets to the game…Thank God work kept me away..That was ugly.