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Submitted by SD Realtor on October 12, 2012 - 10:24pm

Not surprising. The ATF employee who blew the whistle on Fast and Furious was fired in a parking lot at Dennys after 25 years of service. What a great country.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlic...

Submitted by bearishgurl on October 12, 2012 - 10:44pm.

I see a qui-tam suit in the making ... :=D

Submitted by spdrun on October 13, 2012 - 8:58am.

Talk about a classless and nasty way of treating someone who had your agency's best interests in mind. Hope he wins a few hundred grand in a lawsuit.

Submitted by SD Realtor on October 13, 2012 - 6:39pm.

Could not agree more. A career guy gets the boot in a parking lot for a fiasco that went all the way up the ladder. Meanwhile with the exception of a few fall stooges, everyone else up the ladder slithers away unscathed.

Submitted by Huckleberry on October 14, 2012 - 9:39am.

Yea, if this isn't the furthest thing from "change" and "hope", I don't know what is...

Submitted by spdrun on October 14, 2012 - 10:40am.

Because Obama personally ordered the ATF agent fired. Yeah.

Submitted by Huckleberry on October 14, 2012 - 12:37pm.

spdrun wrote:
Because Obama personally ordered the ATF agent fired. Yeah.

Thanks for confirming...

Submitted by spdrun on October 14, 2012 - 12:42pm.

Se habla snarkasm?

Submitted by SD Realtor on October 14, 2012 - 2:37pm.

Noo Obama did not... at least I doubt it. However it is his guy Eric Holder who oversaw it (it being the entire organization) ... and then gave some bs story about knowing about it or not knowing about it (Fast and Furious) ...

Is Obama responsible personally for the fiasco in Libya and the ensuing cover up attempt? Maybe or maybe not... but these are all his people. The fact that his administration couldn't get the story straight, trying to pawn off a terrorist attack on a you tube video... I mean really... If your gonna stick it in my -sss at least give me a reach around.

I guess in the end if he did not personally do it he should not be held culpable in any way.

Submitted by paramount on October 14, 2012 - 2:41pm.

I'm trying to recall where I read a few weeks ago an article highlighting the great risks in becoming a whistle blower.

For all I know it was an article commissioned by the elite.

Oh yah, here it is (there are others - Diana Rehm show comes to mind):

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/your-m...

Here's the thing: The United States is a mild to moderate fascist police state, so these sorts of things (whistle blower being fired) don't surprise me.

In the big picture though, the ATF should be abolished, we don't need this agency.

Submitted by Barrack Obama on October 14, 2012 - 3:11pm.

Huckleberry wrote:
Yea, if this isn't the furthest thing from "change" and "hope", I don't know what is...

That was 4 years ago... I'm telling people to look forward now...

So please... Look forward...

Submitted by Mitt Romney on October 14, 2012 - 3:12pm.

Barrack Obama wrote:
Huckleberry wrote:
Yea, if this isn't the furthest thing from "change" and "hope", I don't know what is...

That was 4 years ago... I'm telling people to look forward now...

So please... Look forward...

...Yeah, because if you look back, you'll see how fvcked up you were...

Submitted by Barrack Obama on October 14, 2012 - 3:14pm.

Mitt Romney wrote:
Barrack Obama wrote:
Huckleberry wrote:
Yea, if this isn't the furthest thing from "change" and "hope", I don't know what is...

That was 4 years ago... I'm telling people to look forward now...

So please... Look forward...

...Yeah, because if you look back, you'll see how fvcked up you were...

Yeah, but at least when I look back at my taxes, I don't crap in my Depends garment like you do... Hey asshole, pay your fair share of taxes.

Submitted by Ron Paul on October 14, 2012 - 3:20pm.

Barrack Obama wrote:
Mitt Romney wrote:
Barrack Obama wrote:
Huckleberry wrote:
Yea, if this isn't the furthest thing from "change" and "hope", I don't know what is...

That was 4 years ago... I'm telling people to look forward now...

So please... Look forward...

...Yeah, because if you look back, you'll see how fvcked up you were...

Yeah, but at least when I look back at my taxes, I don't crap in my Depends garment like you do... Hey asshole, pay your fair share of taxes.

Children, children... Can't we all get along?

The obvious solution is that let the state decide, because it's not in the Constitution.

Submitted by paramount on October 14, 2012 - 3:26pm.

Ron Paul wrote:

The obvious solution is that let the state decide, because it's not in the Constitution.

Oh no, your mistaken Sybil, letting states decide IS the Constitution.

Submitted by bearishgurl on October 14, 2012 - 6:55pm.

Just checking in ... carry on :-D

Submitted by paramount on October 15, 2012 - 11:02pm.

Seriously though, how many people actually drink and smoke while shooting a gun? We don't need the ATF.

Submitted by Huckleberry on October 18, 2012 - 7:50am.

SD Realtor wrote:
Noo Obama did not... at least I doubt it. However it is his guy Eric Holder who oversaw it (it being the entire organization) ... and then gave some bs story about knowing about it or not knowing about it (Fast and Furious) ...

Is Obama responsible personally for the fiasco in Libya and the ensuing cover up attempt? Maybe or maybe not... but these are all his people. The fact that his administration couldn't get the story straight, trying to pawn off a terrorist attack on a you tube video... I mean really... If your gonna stick it in my -sss at least give me a reach around.

I guess in the end if he did not personally do it he should not be held culpable in any way.

spdrun, this is for you too...

This article hammers home my point about Obama (and his policies) and his administration being the drivers of this behavior and these sorts of acts.

There just IS NO disputing it!

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-10...

Submitted by no_such_reality on October 18, 2012 - 8:42am.

SD Realtor wrote:

I guess in the end if he did not personally do it he should not be held culpable in any way.

Whether it's the Government or Corporations, the disconnect between leadership and the actions their organizations take needs to be abolished.

We've largely completely absolved leadership of responsibility for leading and the results the action taken by their organization.

For example, Scott's Miracle-Gro recently got slapped with a $12.5 million dollar fine. For what? Well, in a nutshell, poisoning bird seed.

They treated their bird seed with highly toxic insecticides that are toxic up the food chain. Even worse, it still took six months after employees started complaining to stop sales. The product was sold for 2+ years.

I've said it before during the illegal labor issue, Corporate and Government leaders need to go to jail when their organizations do things like this.

As for Holder, I'm not saying jail time for the schmucky firing, but let's stop the plausible deniability stuff and get back to holding leadership responsible when their orgs are schmucks.

Submitted by Aecetia on December 18, 2012 - 2:09pm.

"WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – A gun found at the scene of a shootout between a Mexican drug cartel and soldiers where a beauty queen died was part of the botched “Fast and Furious” operation, CBS News reports.
Authorities had said that Maria Susana Flores Gamez was likely used as a human shield and that an automatic rifle had been found near her body after the Nov. 23 shootout."

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/12/1...

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