Ot. History of conspiracy theories in america

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 1, 2020 - 1:07pm

Been noticing a lot of books on the histor and psychology of conspiracy theories.

Im not sure if thats a topic im deeply interested in or totally uninterested in.

Its definitely relevant.

Theres so little we know to be true. Question authority, dont question authority...as we meditate, we come to see the empty nature of our thoughts.

The mind is a giant garbage can.

Submitted by XBoxBoy on November 1, 2020 - 5:51pm.

I read this book:

"Fantasyland: How America Went Haywire: A 500 Year History." by Kurt Andersen

https://www.amazon.com/Fantasyland-Ameri...

and found it very enlightening. Note that it was published in 2017 so doesn't cover any of the more recent beliefs. As I recall it mentions Trump a little, but way more ink is spilled covering the history of crazy in America. (Of which we have a very long involved history.) Bottom line, I highly recommend it.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on November 1, 2020 - 5:59pm.

Its oddly comforting to know we have always been batshit crazy

Submitted by svelte on November 8, 2020 - 8:49pm.

XBoxBoy wrote:
Bottom line, I highly recommend it.

Ok. I ordered it on your recommendation. hardcover for under ten bucks, can't go wrong I guess.

Submitted by Coronita on November 8, 2020 - 9:52pm.

You know the scary part is there are people that actually believe there is a conspiracy in education to teach people the earth is round.

I shit you not. There is such a thing called the Flat Earth Society who literally believe the earth is flat. And the scary/pathetic thing is there appears to be over 200k believers.

https://m.facebook.com/FlatEarthToday/

Submitted by Coronita on November 8, 2020 - 9:59pm.

And there are people that believe NASA's moon landing is a hollywood hoax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landi...

steve curry use to be one of them...

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/10/d...

Submitted by svelte on November 9, 2020 - 3:00pm.

That book must have a Democratic slant because now Amazon is presenting me with a laundry-list of Democratic-leaning books to buy!

Submitted by XBoxBoy on November 10, 2020 - 4:08pm.

svelte wrote:
That book must have a Democratic slant because now Amazon is presenting me with a laundry-list of Democratic-leaning books to buy!

When I read it in 2017, (maybe 2018) I didn't notice much democratic slant. But like any author, he's got opinions, and as I recall they lean a bit left. I remember the book not so much about current politics but instead about what people have thought throughout the history of this country. Many of the people who first came from Europe thought there would be gold in abundance, (but instead most of them starved to death - Jamestown) many believed in witches. (can you say Salem?) And throughout our history, Americans have had way more of a tendency to believe stuff that most people find completely crazy. ie, John Smith and the Golden Tablets from God. (Mormonism) When talking about current beliefs I was particularly surprised by a lot of the statistics he quotes about how Americans compare to other developed nations. We seem particularly prone to fantastical beliefs.

More than I see this book as leftist, I would say it is likely to offend the far right. All those QAnon'ers are likely to recognize themselves a bit too much.

Hope you enjoy.
XBoxBoy

Submitted by svelte on November 10, 2020 - 4:13pm.

Thanks XBox.

Reminds me of the Cardiff Giant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_Giant

Submitted by barnaby33 on November 10, 2020 - 5:03pm.

Unless it's a conspiracy!

Submitted by ocrenter on November 10, 2020 - 8:04pm.

FYI, already had a handful of cases where an office visit where a patient started to explore a conspiracy theory with me and the visit ended with the said patient heading to the pharmacy for an anti-depressant.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/conspiracy...

Submitted by svelte on November 10, 2020 - 8:51pm.

ocrenter wrote:
FYI, already had a handful of cases where an office visit where a patient started to explore a conspiracy theory with me and the visit ended with the said patient heading to the pharmacy for an anti-depressant.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/conspiracy-theory-disorder-understanding-why-people-believe/

Wow! One of those face-to-palm moments! Article makes so much sense why folks with those traits are more likely to believe in conspiracies.

Very enlightening, thanks OC.

Moments like this make me feel very dumb.

Submitted by ocrenter on November 11, 2020 - 7:57am.

svelte wrote:
ocrenter wrote:
FYI, already had a handful of cases where an office visit where a patient started to explore a conspiracy theory with me and the visit ended with the said patient heading to the pharmacy for an anti-depressant.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/conspiracy-theory-disorder-understanding-why-people-believe/

Wow! One of those face-to-palm moments! Article makes so much sense why folks with those traits are more likely to believe in conspiracies.

Very enlightening, thanks OC.

Moments like this make me feel very dumb.

Thanks.

I especially enjoyed this quote:

“Narcissism is positively associated with paranoid thinking, as narcissists are perceiving the actions of others intentionally targeted against themselves. [… Also,] conspiracies are appealing to people who lack confidence and excess self-promotional characteristics, such as self-esteem.”

Fits the current occupant of the WH to a T. Got his start with Birtherism, ending with massive multi-state million plus election fraud. Would not expect anything less.

Btw, the first patient took me a few visits. He first came in talking about Andrew Yang being a Chinese plant. Second visit was on to 5G. By the 3rd visit he was talking about Bill Gates, that’s when I put him on meds. The rest after him came much easier, single visit and directly on to medication.

Submitted by sdrealtor on November 11, 2020 - 9:47am.

:)

Submitted by Coronita on November 11, 2020 - 2:32pm.

Well shoot, if there's a conspiracy, I'm going to move to another country, like this guy...Hawaii...

hawaiihawaii

Submitted by ocrenter on November 11, 2020 - 8:47pm.

Hawaii... such an interesting country.

This country of brown and yellow people speak such good English. They are so trusting too, I’ve never gotten my passport checked when I land. And they really love the US and UK, I see the American and British flags everywhere?!

Submitted by svelte on November 11, 2020 - 9:51pm.

We stayed at a nice place in Honolulu that had all the pictures hung way too low on the walls. We scratched our head about that the first day.

Then we noticed most of their clientele was Japanese. Mystery solved!

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