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Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 18, 2014 - 7:49am

could it happen here

will it?

Submitted by NotCranky on August 18, 2014 - 8:27am.

Explain what you think is happening or happened there first.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 18, 2014 - 8:33am.

Not sure.

Probably my inability to clearly articulate the narrative is part of the scariest of what's happening.

Submitted by Coronita on August 18, 2014 - 9:15am.

No, because we aren't L.A.

Submitted by NotCranky on August 18, 2014 - 9:15am.

I don't think it is highly likely that San Diego has areas with this specific kind of potential. The area formerly called "Southeast San Diego" maybe. Whites in El Cajon , Lakeside and Santee...maybe if a meth lab got shot up? Or lifted pick-up trucks were outlawed?

Submitted by Coronita on August 18, 2014 - 9:17am.

Blogstar wrote:
Explain what you think is happening or happened there first.

A trigger happy cop shoots a young adult 6 times to death...

Some people upset about it protest...

A bunch of unrelated hooligans find an excuse to riot and loot stores that had nothing to do with the shooting...

Reminds me of the L.A. riots.

Submitted by Coronita on August 18, 2014 - 9:19am.

I think there's a great chance of rioting if they redraw school district lines in carmel valley :(

Submitted by NotCranky on August 18, 2014 - 9:20am.

Depending on how thing unfolded I am not sure the guy was trigger happy. Could be though. I wouldn't assume that.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 18, 2014 - 9:21am.

Ferguson has some cheap foreclosures listed on zillow. This might be a good time to buy there since there is literally blood in the streets.

Submitted by NotCranky on August 18, 2014 - 9:22am.

flu wrote:
I think there's a great chance of rioting if they redraw school district lines in carmel valley :(

I am pretty scared when I drive my American made cars up there that I will be attacked.

Submitted by Coronita on August 18, 2014 - 9:42am.

Blogstar wrote:
flu wrote:
I think there's a great chance of rioting if they redraw school district lines in carmel valley :(

I am pretty scared when I drive my American made cars up there that I will be attacked.

Lol....

Submitted by Coronita on August 18, 2014 - 9:42am.

scaredyclassic wrote:
Ferguson has some cheap foreclosures listed on zillow. This might be a good time to buy there since there is literally blood in the streets.

I'm sure there are great deals in Detroit too :)

Submitted by NotCranky on August 18, 2014 - 9:49am.

No one would have been shot, or even killed, if the cop didn't have a gun.

Also, Why are Benjamin Crump and Sharpton not disbarred as lawyers. Their behavior seems like it really shouldn't fit that profession.

Submitted by Hobie on August 18, 2014 - 10:09am.

Be interesting when toxicology report is out and if cop had a Taser.

Submitted by NotCranky on August 18, 2014 - 10:14am.

Racial imbalance is really bad on the police force and local gov.

The whole thing is embarrassing to a lot of groups of people. The riots and looting should be embarrassing and most likely some "southern" traditions are underneath the system ...even if this is a good cop or not.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 18, 2014 - 3:24pm.

There are probably not many good jobs in furguson.

I see local government as corrupt institutions handing out patronage jobs in the southern tradition. The residents are right to be upset.

Submitted by flyer on August 18, 2014 - 3:34pm.

flu wrote:
I think there's a great chance of rioting if they redraw school district lines in carmel valley :(

What's happening in Ferguson is sad, and I hope there is some resolution soon. I don't think there will be any easy answers.

To flu's point concerning something like this happening in San Diego. Even though it might seem improbable, it's probably true that the only time an issue would reach that level of protest here would be if it concerned school districting, etc.

Along those lines--I'm still amazed there aren't more "protests" from recent college grads (or their parents) when they find out 90% of them aren't getting the jobs they want when they graduate.

Submitted by Hobie on August 18, 2014 - 4:07pm.

With fewer jobs available, it makes staying in school longer seem ok. And not complaining about impacted classes forcing students to spend an extra year or two on what should be a 4 year program.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on August 18, 2014 - 4:18pm.

flyer wrote:
flu wrote:
I think there's a great chance of rioting if they redraw school district lines in carmel valley :(

What's happening in Ferguson is sad, and I hope there is some resolution soon. I don't think there will be any easy answers.

To flu's point concerning something like this happening in San Diego. Even though it might seem improbable, it's probably true that the only time an issue would reach that level of protest here would be if it concerned school districting, etc.

Along those lines--I'm still amazed there aren't more "protests" from recent college grads (or their parents) when they find out 90% of them aren't getting the jobs they want when they graduate.

School redistricting will soon be a moot point, seriously how long do you think it will be before all these general ed courses will all be standardized computer generated courses and all schools in SoCal will be require to teach exactly the same computer generated course for every class.
To get something special you will need to go private, but they will probably make them use the same standard as well LOL.

Both my niece and nephew were very disappointed that they had to take PV Jobs after earning a Master’s in computer science. They did not seem to understand you need to get your foot in the door and get some experience, oh well maybe they will be happier when they get their PHD’s LOL.

Submitted by spdrun on August 18, 2014 - 4:32pm.

^^^

The teacher makes and breaks the course as much as the material itself. A kum-puker can't inspire and push students like a good teacher can.

Also, there are plenty of factors beyond core courses. Extracurriculars. Safety/location of the school building. Etc.

Submitted by spdrun on August 18, 2014 - 4:33pm.

^^^

Shoveler, you say some pretty interesting and smart things, but this one takes the cake for boneheadedness, sorry to say.

The teacher makes and breaks the course as much as the material itself. A kum-puker can't inspire and push students like a good teacher can.

Also, there are plenty of factors beyond core courses. Extracurriculars. Safety/location of the school building. Etc.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on August 18, 2014 - 4:44pm.

OK I will concede the point that a school in a not so good area will still be a substandard school as far as environment, activities etc...
But the difference between a great school and an OK school today will become almost nil soon.
It will be more about neighborhoods that school districts IMO.

Besides I have seen some very exceptional students come from the worse schools in L.A.
It's a lot more about the student than the school IMO.

Submitted by spdrun on August 18, 2014 - 4:53pm.

People have been saying that ever since Guttenberg invented the printing press. Obtaining the course/reading materials isn't the tricky part.

I may add that a computer simulation is a really shit substitute for things like:
(1) theatre coaching
(2) chemistry/physics/electronics labs
(3) dissections in biology (at least when I went to HS a decade and a half ago, foetal pig was mandatory).
(4) real-time discussions and debates between students, moderated by an excellent teacher

Submitted by The-Shoveler on August 18, 2014 - 4:52pm.

If you take a C student and move them to CV it’s not going to automatically make him/her an A student.
He/she has to want it.

Submitted by spdrun on August 18, 2014 - 4:55pm.

^^^ Of course, but being surrounded with good teachers and bright, driven students will inspire him/her to want it more than some computer program.

Submitted by Coronita on August 18, 2014 - 6:10pm.

I'm sorry I hijacked this thread and talked about schools. When we should be talking about how effective the looters are looting Ferguson...

Anyone else notice that right when the riots started, that people were saying that the police using tear gas/riot gear/etc was being too aggressive..Then after a brief lull of calm, the rioters/looters returned and the police temporarily just stood by and did nothing...

You think that was deliberate?

Submitted by SK in CV on August 18, 2014 - 6:32pm.

The-Shoveler wrote:
If you take a C student and move them to CV it’s not going to automatically make him/her an A student.
He/she has to want it.

Probably not. But if you put that C student into the CV household with two other kids that get all A's, those C's will improve. School performance is partly about the kids. It's partly about the teachers. But it's mostly about their home environment. How crowded back-to-school night is, is a better predictor of school performance than the economic status of the community.

Submitted by flyer on August 18, 2014 - 7:34pm.

I agree that school performance is greatly influenced by home environment as well as other factors, but, from what we've seen with friends who have recent graduates, even when all of the elements are optimum, the success rate in the "real world" seems to be far less than one might expect.

More than ever before in society, kids are being told that if they do everything "by the book," and jump through all of the hoops in school, they will be automatically be successful in life. IMO, there just seems to be a huge disconnect somewhere, based upon "real world" results.

Submitted by no_such_reality on August 18, 2014 - 7:55pm.

The-Shoveler wrote:
If you take a C student and move them to CV it’s not going to automatically make him/her an A student.
He/she has to want it.

No, like Irvine, his or her parents have to want it to keep up with the rest of the parents in paying for the tutors, SAT prep and kimono (okay I'm not going to correct that autocorrect) courses

Irvine schools test great but the reality is the majority of the school is actually privately taught even in public school since they have such a heavy tutoring and prep camp load

As for ferguson it's coming. The militarization of police has one end. When you're a hammer everything looks like a nail. The police are militarized and you are an enemy combatant. The Department of Education has it's own SWAT teams.

Just ask Kelly Thomas

Submitted by spdrun on August 18, 2014 - 8:13pm.

What the HELL was the jury thinking in the Thomas case? I can see the cops being acquitted of culpable murder, but manslaughter (i.e. reckless disregard for human life) and excessive force under color of law seemed to be provable.

Submitted by CA renter on August 18, 2014 - 10:46pm.

flu wrote:
I'm sorry I hijacked this thread and talked about schools. When we should be talking about how effective the looters are looting Ferguson...

Anyone else notice that right when the riots started, that people were saying that the police using tear gas/riot gear/etc was being too aggressive..Then after a brief lull of calm, the rioters/looters returned and the police temporarily just stood by and did nothing...

You think that was deliberate?

Of course it's deliberate. They've giving them what they asked for. What else should people expect.

And the cop didn't shoot some innocent kid who was just walking down the street. That "kid" was 6'4" and 290+ pounds, had just robbed a store, then disobeyed a police officer's request to get out of the middle of the street (and I get the grey area there), then slammed the car door on the cop when he was trying to exit the patrol car, and got into a physical altercation with the cop where he (supposedly) was trying to wrestle the gun away from the cop.

And cops don't know if a person is unarmed. The best way to prove it is to listen to the cops and settle any disputes at the police station. Sue the hell out of them afterward if they violated your rights, etc. But do NOT get into a heated, physical fight with a cop.

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