OT: Ebola - Global Pandemic?

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Submitted by paramount on July 31, 2014 - 11:51am

Time to run down to home depot to pick up some masks/respirators?

Time to close the borders?

A repeat of the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1917-1918 only deadlier?

Or pure hysteria?

http://youtu.be/JnQVUf775VE

Ebola 2014

Submitted by bearishgurl on October 18, 2014 - 4:48pm.

blogstar wrote:
Someone spoofed South Western College on Ebola.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/oct/...

all wrote:
flu wrote:
My concern is... People in this country aren't taking it seriously enough...And it's the arrogance that I'm worried about....

I thought communiques from the county school districts and bearishgurl's college campus being quarantined/evacuated is overreaction.

zk, SWC never has been and is not "my" campus. I've taken several evening classes there (more than 20 yrs ago) but my kids have never attended classes there. They went directly to university after HS.

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Submitted by zk on October 19, 2014 - 7:23am.

bearishgurl wrote:

all wrote:

I thought communiques from the county school districts and bearishgurl's college campus being quarantined/evacuated is overreaction.

zk, SWC never has been and is not "my" campus. I've taken several evening classes there (more than 20 yrs ago) but my kids have never attended classes there. They went directly to university after HS.

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"all" is not me. Not sure where he/she got the idea that that's your campus.

Good info on the other thread about colleges, bg. Thanks.

Submitted by outtamojo on October 19, 2014 - 2:56pm.

outtamojo wrote:
zk wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
According to Yahoo article, nurse who caught it knew full well she was treating Ebola patient and was wearing the full protective outfit.
I work in healthcare and I knew all along how these bulletins and special protocols work. They send you emails and maybe let you put on the gear a few times and then make you sign a piece of paper saying you were trained but nothing preps you for the real thing. There is only one good teacher and that is experience, which we dont have in good supply.
They will try to blame it on the poor
worker but in my view the pencil pushers as they always do failed to take into account the practical aspect of a learning curve.
They need to set up a team able to travel to care for stateside Ebola patients so they can get the necessary experience. They need to set up rooms for the team to live so they self quarantine.
The range in talent between the best and the worst healthcare workers is such that if you send in the worst you are just sending them in to die.
Hug your healthcare worker today for they risk their own lives and that of their families everyday.

Good points and good ideas, mojo. I like the traveling team idea.

I imagine that the story of the Texas healthcare worker will be similar to the Spain healthcare worker. Made a small mistake and paid for it tragically. Not to put the blame on her. Like you said, without experience in dealing with these things, it would be very difficult to make zero mistakes.

A care team from the military sounds ideal - they are already on duty and I bet they get way more training than your average hospital worker.
http://www.naturalnews.com/047226_Ebola_...
That Frieden guy needs to resign.

They are reading my posts :)
"Military Preps Ebola team...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/19/health/us-...

Submitted by bearishgurl on October 19, 2014 - 3:38pm.

zk wrote:
bearishgurl wrote:

all wrote:

I thought communiques from the county school districts and bearishgurl's college campus being quarantined/evacuated is overreaction.

zk, SWC never has been and is not "my" campus. I've taken several evening classes there (more than 20 yrs ago) but my kids have never attended classes there. They went directly to university after HS.

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"all" is not me. Not sure where he/she got the idea that that's your campus.

Good info on the other thread about colleges, bg. Thanks.

Sorry zk, I now see that it is another one of craptcha's (misguided) comments. Just because someone lives in a particular community college district or CC attendance area doesn't mean he, she or their family has ever taken any classes there.

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Submitted by zk on October 22, 2014 - 12:31pm.

Interesting article about the overreaction to ebola.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/opinio...

Submitted by moneymaker on October 24, 2014 - 9:05am.

moneymaker wrote:
So there is a journalist headed to Nebraska Sunday night, now all we need is CA and NY and we will be ready for full scale pandemic. The media will be reporting Monday that the pandemic has doubled in a little more than a week, the markets will fall and hysteria will prevail. I hope the journalist, Ashoka Mukpo, can be saved for his sake and ours.

Ok just CA now, who will it be?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 24, 2014 - 9:23am.

zk wrote:
Interesting article about the overreaction to ebola.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/21/opinio...

That was a very good article.

Some people watch the news and think that world is collapsing around them. For example they think that Greece is hellish, but it's still a beautiful country where life goes on. Iceland experienced a worse financial collapse, but it's not in the news much so few ever mention Iceland.

The world is safer than ever, but people experience hyper security neurosis that many politicians encourage and exploit.

Submitted by outtamojo on October 24, 2014 - 9:29am.

I would be comforted if they can manage to treat the NY doctor w/out infecting any other healthcare workers.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 24, 2014 - 9:42am.

Who exactly is "they"?

We have a decentralized, disparate, private health care system. But a few cases of ebola, and we want the government to swoop-in and instantly control the whole situation.

It seems me like an opportunity not to be wasted.

Submitted by outtamojo on October 24, 2014 - 9:52am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Who exactly is "they"?

We have a decentralized, disparate, private health care system. But a few cases of ebola, and we want the government to swoop-in and instantly control the whole situation.

It seems me like an opportunity not to be wasted.

Political nutjobs please stay away. This is, or should be, all about safe handling of ebola cases and not getting anyone killed due to inadequate processes.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 24, 2014 - 10:03am.

Of course, but safe handling is a learning process, especially in a disparate system where there is no central command and control.

It's unfair and inefficient to expect hospitals that have never handled ebola before to be 100% prepared. Nor do we want them to be. The costs to be prepared all the time, 100% of time for all outbreak possibilities, would be astronomical and would take away from precious resources to care for day to day health issues.

The frenzy over this is so irrational.

Submitted by Coronita on October 24, 2014 - 10:09am.

Nina Pham is cured... That's good news.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/ebo...

Also Vinson seems to be almost there too...

Good news.

Submitted by outtamojo on October 24, 2014 - 10:36am.

flu wrote:
Nina Pham is cured... That's good news.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/ebo...

Also Vinson seems to be almost there too...

Good news.

Yes, very good news. Less frightening to know that 1rst world medical care can make this level of virus less of a death sentence.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on October 24, 2014 - 11:04am.

If you can get into one of the 4 or 5 hospitals set-up to handle this type of thing.

I still say we get 150 cases at the same time I will really start to worry.

Submitted by UCGal on October 24, 2014 - 11:21am.

For those looking for good news.

No one who wasn't a health care worker directly involved in the care of Duncan was infected. Even his fiance and son. Apparently he was cleaning up after himself before he went to the hospital, so they weren't exposed, directly, to his bodily fluids.

All of the other cases in the US, with the exception of the camera man, were health care workers who'd been in west Africa. Duncan wasn't a health care worker - but was exposed helping a pregnant neighbor, apparently unaware she had ebola, and not just complications from her pregnancy.

The doctor in NY did not expose an entire ER while showing symptoms. NYC and the doctor seemed to handle it well. The bowling alley was visited before he showed symptoms.

To date - no one from the flight that Vinson took has shown symptoms.

You may now return to your previously scheduled panic.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on October 24, 2014 - 11:26am.

Government in charge of Ebola

outtamojo wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
Who exactly is "they"?

We have a decentralized, disparate, private health care system. But a few cases of ebola, and we want the government to swoop-in and instantly control the whole situation.

It seems me like an opportunity not to be wasted.

Political nutjobs please stay away. This is, or should be, all about safe handling of ebola cases and not getting anyone killed due to inadequate processes.

Submitted by NotCranky on October 24, 2014 - 11:28am.

outtamojo wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
Who exactly is "they"?

We have a decentralized, disparate, private health care system. But a few cases of ebola, and we want the government to swoop-in and instantly control the whole situation.

It seems me like an opportunity not to be wasted.

Political nutjobs please stay away. This is, or should be, all about safe handling of ebola cases and not getting anyone killed due to inadequate processes.


Not much different than the Ferguson case , Brian, not at all.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 24, 2014 - 11:55am.

Blogstar wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
Who exactly is "they"?

We have a decentralized, disparate, private health care system. But a few cases of ebola, and we want the government to swoop-in and instantly control the whole situation.

It seems me like an opportunity not to be wasted.

Political nutjobs please stay away. This is, or should be, all about safe handling of ebola cases and not getting anyone killed due to inadequate processes.


Not much different than the Ferguson case , Brian, not at all.

Yes, I can definitely see your point. Same but different. The devil's in the details.

Submitted by NotCranky on October 24, 2014 - 12:00pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Blogstar wrote:
outtamojo wrote:
FlyerInHi wrote:
Who exactly is "they"?

We have a decentralized, disparate, private health care system. But a few cases of ebola, and we want the government to swoop-in and instantly control the whole situation.

It seems me like an opportunity not to be wasted.

Political nutjobs please stay away. This is, or should be, all about safe handling of ebola cases and not getting anyone killed due to inadequate processes.


Not much different than the Ferguson case , Brian, not at all.

Yes, I can definitely see your point. Same but different. The devil's in the details.


You know I was with you until you added that bit about devils and details. Both are serious matters though.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 24, 2014 - 12:31pm.

Ebola is all about science. All the medical and scientific experts I've heard said that we've handled Ebola very well so far, with some mistake we've learned from.

Submitted by NotCranky on October 24, 2014 - 12:35pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
Ebola is all about science. All the medical and scientific experts I've heard said that we've handled Ebola very well so far, with some mistake we've learned from.

O.k very unlike Ferguson then.

Submitted by ltsddd on October 24, 2014 - 2:16pm.

outtamojo wrote:
flu wrote:
Nina Pham is cured... That's good news.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/24/health/ebo...

Also Vinson seems to be almost there too...

Good news.

Yes, very good news. Less frightening to know that 1rst world medical care can make this level of virus less of a death sentence.

Is she really cured and ebola-free? Or is she now a carrier of the virus that still can be transmitted to others (a la HIV)?

Submitted by moneymaker on October 24, 2014 - 4:10pm.

Yes I'm surprised somebody can be "cured" so quickly. Too bad that is not true with AIDS. I was surprised to see the president hug her, just a little curious about the before and after scenario.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 24, 2014 - 5:00pm.

Maybe the hug is part of a conspiracy.

Submitted by Aecetia on October 24, 2014 - 9:41pm.

"The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/opinio...

Submitted by zk on October 24, 2014 - 9:59pm.

Aecetia wrote:
"The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/opinion/what-were-afraid-to-say-about-ebola.html?_r=0

A lame and disappointing article. Just another fear monger with incomplete and incorrect information. He's afraid that ebola could go airborne. But no human virus has ever changed its mode of transmission:

http://online.wsj.com/articles/scientist...

And the Canadian researchers did not prove that ebola "could be transmitted by the respiratory route from pigs to monkeys."

http://healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/a...

Nevermind the sensational title of the above link. Read the article.

Submitted by zk on January 20, 2015 - 8:13pm.

Exactly

Submitted by no_such_reality on January 20, 2015 - 8:45pm.

I'll go on out on a limb and say that measles, once eradicated in the USA will kill more people in the States than ebola.

Submitted by CA renter on January 21, 2015 - 12:48am.

zk wrote:
Exactly

That's a pretty good one. :)

Submitted by njtosd on January 21, 2015 - 9:56am.

Aecetia wrote:
"The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/opinion/what-were-afraid-to-say-about-ebola.html?_r=0

It seems as though people are always concerned about evolution in terms of mode of transmission. So far, it hasn't been known to happen.

" We know the virus is mutating. Could it adapt in a way that makes it airborne?

It’s highly unlikely. It would be unusual for a virus to transform in a way that changes its mode of infection. Of the 23 known viruses that cause serious disease in man, none are known to have mutated in ways that changed how they infect humans. Of course, we only know about a small portion of the existing viruses."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottgottlie...

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