I’m in principle against the I’m in principle against the ban, but all for it at the same time. The country I’m going to this summer has iPads selling for 1.5 to 2x the US price, yet there’s no problem with availability of Samsung devices. Take one tablet, come back with another 🙂
Coronita
July 2, 2012 @
10:53 PM
spdrun wrote:I’m in principle [quote=spdrun]I’m in principle against the ban, but all for it at the same time. The country I’m going to this summer has iPads selling for 1.5 to 2x the US price, yet there’s no problem with availability of Samsung devices. Take one tablet, come back with another :)[/quote]
Funny you should ask. Now that Google is going to standardize on the Xoom and Nexus7, and samsung is slow in updating the 10.1 to even Ice Cream Sandwich, let alone hopeful for a timely update to Jellybean (though the CyanogenMod group has an ICS port)…I
I actually have it running CyanogenMod ICS and I have the USB adapter that I bought but never used to allow one to hook up a USB device too it. But it’s sitting there collecting dust….and probably I’m ready to give it to my 1st grader kid so she can play angry birds and cut the rope or farm/bakery/zoo/xyz story..
Oh, education games…maybe that too…
I kinda want to trade it for a Motorola Xoom, just because Google is going to support the Xoom more so.
UCGal
July 3, 2012 @
8:32 AM
I’m an android person. But I’m an android person. But then again – I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.
It’s about being able to get apps… even if some of them are flakey. In the pc world, you know you’d occasionally get the blue-screen-of-death… but you had a lot more apps – a lot more affordable, than if you ran in the sanitized world of Apple.
Same with Android… You get the occasional force close – but there are more apps – and they’re cheap or free… And as the install base picks up – there will be even more.
Ipad is for people who want a perfect world. I’m willing to live with some rough edges to get more power, more freedom, and to save money.
Disclaimer. I love my xoom. As of this week we’ll be a 3 xoom household. My husband uses his to take building plans/drawings to customer meetings – much easier than hauling hard copies or a laptop… he can pull up the pdf’s and share the info. My eldest got excellent grades and talked us into getting him his own (refurbished, employee discounted) wifi xoom.
I feel like gollum and the ring with my xoom. I call it my pressssshhhhusssss. LOL
sdduuuude
July 3, 2012 @
9:24 AM
UCGal wrote:I was a pc person [quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.
CDMA ENG
July 3, 2012 @
10:30 AM
sdduuuude wrote:UCGal wrote:I [quote=sdduuuude][quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.[/quote]
And seperated by a canyon.
Perfect summary UCGal.
CE
UCGal
July 3, 2012 @
2:12 PM
sdduuuude wrote:UCGal wrote:I [quote=sdduuuude][quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.[/quote]
I was the better looking one.
(anyone who’s met me knows I’m kidding.)
CDMA ENG
July 3, 2012 @
4:06 PM
UCGal wrote:sdduuuude [quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.[/quote]
I was the better looking one.
(anyone who’s met me knows I’m kidding.)[/quote]
Well I have seen SDDuuuude… You HAVE to be the better looking one! 😛
CE
The-Shoveler
July 3, 2012 @
9:28 AM
Really seriously, maybe the Really seriously, maybe the birds would not be so angry if you shared your jellybeans , and Ice-cream sandwich . Careful that “Cyano” can have serious reactions if it is ingested or even makes contact with skin.
And yes everyone should take their kids to the see a farm and the zoo.
Also I love our x-room too But we call it the xxx-room.
Did I mention I work on a Laptop (my pressssshhhhusssss)
OK sarcasm off , Just kidding.
ucodegen
July 3, 2012 @
2:10 PM
This Samsung Tablet/iPad war This Samsung Tablet/iPad war looks awfully familiar.. much like the war between Microsoft and Apple on who invented windows, which was decided when the REAL inventor finally stood up.. Xerox PARC. Turns out that both Gates and Jobs had a visit to Xerox PARC place. PARC is also responsible for Ethernet(original thick coax), Email(earliest versions), GUI interfaces, much of the work with Mouse based UIs.
Apple patented the appearance of the iPad device. The only problem with patenting ‘appearance’, is if there is public presentation/viewing/availability of a similar device with a very similar interface.. it voids the patent under prior art. Most early Sci-Fi movies had something like a tablet to replace the current ‘clip-board of papers’. GRiD Computing also made a tablet more than 10 years prior to Apple’s iPad (GRiDPAD – 1989). Of course with late 80’s tech, it wasn’t as thin. There was also the Compaq Concerto(1992) – LCDs were expensive, electronics not as compact – so the screen didn’t fill the top surface as much.
This leaves it back to thin, rounded corners and the single button interface in terms of Apple’s patent items.
Thin has already been presented prior. It is not an enforceable patent item.
The problem with a ’rounded corners’ patent is that all corners are rounded to some degree (otherwise they would be sharp as a knife) and Apple didn’t call out the radius and range of radii that the patent covers. They tried to get too general. Writing patents can be tricky – want to be general enough that it covers near variants, but not so general that it can’t be enforceable because of similarity to prior art.
Single button interface. This may be the point that Apple has the most chance with. The problem is that no other table is using that single button interface.
As such, I view it along the same lines as the Windows wars. As for iPhone; take a look at the iPAQ. The iPAQ was not made by Apple. It was made by Compaq/HP. It also had a PCMCIA slot, which Vanu Bose used to build a radio transceiver card for APCO-P25 Trunking radio – aka Police and Fire service Radio (Public Service Radio). The APCO-P25 format has the ability to also make phone calls and transfer/receive data. The similarity of name also makes me wonder about Apple actually poaching the ‘iXXXX’ name sequences, because they weren’t the first.
–sorry for any typos in advance.. I am in a hurry, gotta run.
saiine
July 3, 2012 @
6:00 PM
Ban?
I must be missing Ban?
I must be missing something here. Surely seven Pigs do not actually believe these devices should be banned?!
The more varieties there are of any specific technology, the better it is for consumers! How is this competition any different than a Mac vs PC?
equalizer
July 4, 2012 @
3:47 PM
I know Pat Atty who just I know Pat Atty who just started job at Apple. I was complaining about these obvious patents such as express lane at supermarkets. He said if Ralphs patented Express lane than no one else should have them. Most judges are very sympathetic to this nonsense, except for great judge Posner on appeals court who told apple/mot to get the heck out of his courtroom with prejudice. Too bad he couldn’t ban them from all USA courtrooms for a year.
Btw typing on WiFi Android ph
one at 30000 ft
njtosd
July 4, 2012 @
10:46 PM
equalizer wrote: Most judges [quote=equalizer] Most judges are very sympathetic to this nonsense, except for great judge Posner on appeals court who told apple/mot to get the heck out of his courtroom with prejudice. Too bad he couldn’t ban them from all USA courtrooms for a year.
[/quote]
Re: Posners decision – it’s very specific to this case. In particular, he found a lack of proof of damages, in other words, bad lawyering. According to one article, he use the phrase “too late” three times in his opinion (i.e. too late to prove damages at that point in the proceedings, etc.). Also, Posner was sitting by designation as a trial court judge (an appeal will go straight to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in DC, which hears all patent appeals). The parties will be entitled to an appeal as a matter of right – interesting position for Posner to be in . . .
Can’t understand your reference to “nonsense” – the U.S. patent system is not perfect but has spurred enormous innovation in our country. The ones who don’t like it are usually the ones who identify more with the infringer than the innovator.
njtosd
July 4, 2012 @
6:48 PM
The German courts reached the The German courts reached the same conclusion banning the Samsung Galaxy last year (see: http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE78400L20110905) based on a utility model (very similar to a U.S. Design Patent). In the U.S. case, there was definitely an element of bad lawyering – the judge held up the two devices (Samsung tablet and IPad) and counsel for Samsung couldn’t tell them apart . . . .
Design is big business these days – and design cases are much easier to prove than infringement of a utility patent (especially in highly technical fields). I think this is going to become a much more common occurrence.
njtosd
July 10, 2012 @
2:02 PM
“U.K. Judge Deems iPad Cooler
“U.K. Judge Deems iPad Cooler than Galaxy Tab”
” . . .a British judge has helped the South Korean electronics giant ward off legal attacks from U.S. rival Apple by saying their tablet devices aren’t that similar and can’t be mistaken for each other.
One reason: Samsung’s Galaxy Tab devices “are not as cool” as the Apple’s iPad .
In what may be the first time a court attached an objective definition of cool, Judge Colin Birss of the England and Wales Patents County Court wrote that the rivals are easily distinguishable by inquiring eyes.
‘Extreme Simplicity’
“The informed user’s overall impression of each of the Samsung Galaxy Tablets is the following: From the front they belong to the family which includes the Apple design,” said Birss according to reports. “But the Samsung products are very thin, almost insubstantial members of that family with unusual details on the back. They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design. They are not as cool. The overall impression produced is different.”
July 2, 2012 @ 10:28 PM
I’m in principle against the
I’m in principle against the ban, but all for it at the same time. The country I’m going to this summer has iPads selling for 1.5 to 2x the US price, yet there’s no problem with availability of Samsung devices. Take one tablet, come back with another 🙂
July 2, 2012 @ 10:53 PM
spdrun wrote:I’m in principle
[quote=spdrun]I’m in principle against the ban, but all for it at the same time. The country I’m going to this summer has iPads selling for 1.5 to 2x the US price, yet there’s no problem with availability of Samsung devices. Take one tablet, come back with another :)[/quote]
Funny you should ask. Now that Google is going to standardize on the Xoom and Nexus7, and samsung is slow in updating the 10.1 to even Ice Cream Sandwich, let alone hopeful for a timely update to Jellybean (though the CyanogenMod group has an ICS port)…I
I actually have it running CyanogenMod ICS and I have the USB adapter that I bought but never used to allow one to hook up a USB device too it. But it’s sitting there collecting dust….and probably I’m ready to give it to my 1st grader kid so she can play angry birds and cut the rope or farm/bakery/zoo/xyz story..
Oh, education games…maybe that too…
I kinda want to trade it for a Motorola Xoom, just because Google is going to support the Xoom more so.
July 3, 2012 @ 8:32 AM
I’m an android person. But
I’m an android person. But then again – I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.
It’s about being able to get apps… even if some of them are flakey. In the pc world, you know you’d occasionally get the blue-screen-of-death… but you had a lot more apps – a lot more affordable, than if you ran in the sanitized world of Apple.
Same with Android… You get the occasional force close – but there are more apps – and they’re cheap or free… And as the install base picks up – there will be even more.
Ipad is for people who want a perfect world. I’m willing to live with some rough edges to get more power, more freedom, and to save money.
Disclaimer. I love my xoom. As of this week we’ll be a 3 xoom household. My husband uses his to take building plans/drawings to customer meetings – much easier than hauling hard copies or a laptop… he can pull up the pdf’s and share the info. My eldest got excellent grades and talked us into getting him his own (refurbished, employee discounted) wifi xoom.
I feel like gollum and the ring with my xoom. I call it my pressssshhhhusssss. LOL
July 3, 2012 @ 9:24 AM
UCGal wrote:I was a pc person
[quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.
July 3, 2012 @ 10:30 AM
sdduuuude wrote:UCGal wrote:I
[quote=sdduuuude][quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.[/quote]
And seperated by a canyon.
Perfect summary UCGal.
CE
July 3, 2012 @ 2:12 PM
sdduuuude wrote:UCGal wrote:I
[quote=sdduuuude][quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.[/quote]
I was the better looking one.
(anyone who’s met me knows I’m kidding.)
July 3, 2012 @ 4:06 PM
UCGal wrote:sdduuuude
[quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=UCGal]I was a pc person in the PC vs MAC wars of the 90’s.[/quote]
Sometimes I think you were my twin sister, separated at birth.[/quote]
I was the better looking one.
(anyone who’s met me knows I’m kidding.)[/quote]
Well I have seen SDDuuuude… You HAVE to be the better looking one! 😛
CE
July 3, 2012 @ 9:28 AM
Really seriously, maybe the
Really seriously, maybe the birds would not be so angry if you shared your jellybeans , and Ice-cream sandwich . Careful that “Cyano” can have serious reactions if it is ingested or even makes contact with skin.
And yes everyone should take their kids to the see a farm and the zoo.
Also I love our x-room too But we call it the xxx-room.
Did I mention I work on a Laptop (my pressssshhhhusssss)
OK sarcasm off , Just kidding.
July 3, 2012 @ 2:10 PM
This Samsung Tablet/iPad war
This Samsung Tablet/iPad war looks awfully familiar.. much like the war between Microsoft and Apple on who invented windows, which was decided when the REAL inventor finally stood up.. Xerox PARC. Turns out that both Gates and Jobs had a visit to Xerox PARC place. PARC is also responsible for Ethernet(original thick coax), Email(earliest versions), GUI interfaces, much of the work with Mouse based UIs.
Apple patented the appearance of the iPad device. The only problem with patenting ‘appearance’, is if there is public presentation/viewing/availability of a similar device with a very similar interface.. it voids the patent under prior art. Most early Sci-Fi movies had something like a tablet to replace the current ‘clip-board of papers’. GRiD Computing also made a tablet more than 10 years prior to Apple’s iPad (GRiDPAD – 1989). Of course with late 80’s tech, it wasn’t as thin. There was also the Compaq Concerto(1992) – LCDs were expensive, electronics not as compact – so the screen didn’t fill the top surface as much.
This leaves it back to thin, rounded corners and the single button interface in terms of Apple’s patent items.
As such, I view it along the same lines as the Windows wars. As for iPhone; take a look at the iPAQ. The iPAQ was not made by Apple. It was made by Compaq/HP. It also had a PCMCIA slot, which Vanu Bose used to build a radio transceiver card for APCO-P25 Trunking radio – aka Police and Fire service Radio (Public Service Radio). The APCO-P25 format has the ability to also make phone calls and transfer/receive data. The similarity of name also makes me wonder about Apple actually poaching the ‘iXXXX’ name sequences, because they weren’t the first.
PARC = Palo Alto Research Center.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PARC_%28company%29
Prior art can be a *****!!
–sorry for any typos in advance.. I am in a hurry, gotta run.
July 3, 2012 @ 6:00 PM
Ban?
I must be missing
Ban?
I must be missing something here. Surely seven Pigs do not actually believe these devices should be banned?!
The more varieties there are of any specific technology, the better it is for consumers! How is this competition any different than a Mac vs PC?
July 4, 2012 @ 3:47 PM
I know Pat Atty who just
I know Pat Atty who just started job at Apple. I was complaining about these obvious patents such as express lane at supermarkets. He said if Ralphs patented Express lane than no one else should have them. Most judges are very sympathetic to this nonsense, except for great judge Posner on appeals court who told apple/mot to get the heck out of his courtroom with prejudice. Too bad he couldn’t ban them from all USA courtrooms for a year.
Btw typing on WiFi Android ph
one at 30000 ft
July 4, 2012 @ 10:46 PM
equalizer wrote: Most judges
[quote=equalizer] Most judges are very sympathetic to this nonsense, except for great judge Posner on appeals court who told apple/mot to get the heck out of his courtroom with prejudice. Too bad he couldn’t ban them from all USA courtrooms for a year.
[/quote]
Re: Posners decision – it’s very specific to this case. In particular, he found a lack of proof of damages, in other words, bad lawyering. According to one article, he use the phrase “too late” three times in his opinion (i.e. too late to prove damages at that point in the proceedings, etc.). Also, Posner was sitting by designation as a trial court judge (an appeal will go straight to the Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in DC, which hears all patent appeals). The parties will be entitled to an appeal as a matter of right – interesting position for Posner to be in . . .
Can’t understand your reference to “nonsense” – the U.S. patent system is not perfect but has spurred enormous innovation in our country. The ones who don’t like it are usually the ones who identify more with the infringer than the innovator.
July 4, 2012 @ 6:48 PM
The German courts reached the
The German courts reached the same conclusion banning the Samsung Galaxy last year (see: http://ca.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idCATRE78400L20110905) based on a utility model (very similar to a U.S. Design Patent). In the U.S. case, there was definitely an element of bad lawyering – the judge held up the two devices (Samsung tablet and IPad) and counsel for Samsung couldn’t tell them apart . . . .
Design is big business these days – and design cases are much easier to prove than infringement of a utility patent (especially in highly technical fields). I think this is going to become a much more common occurrence.
July 10, 2012 @ 2:02 PM
“U.K. Judge Deems iPad Cooler
“U.K. Judge Deems iPad Cooler than Galaxy Tab”
” . . .a British judge has helped the South Korean electronics giant ward off legal attacks from U.S. rival Apple by saying their tablet devices aren’t that similar and can’t be mistaken for each other.
One reason: Samsung’s Galaxy Tab devices “are not as cool” as the Apple’s iPad .
In what may be the first time a court attached an objective definition of cool, Judge Colin Birss of the England and Wales Patents County Court wrote that the rivals are easily distinguishable by inquiring eyes.
‘Extreme Simplicity’
“The informed user’s overall impression of each of the Samsung Galaxy Tablets is the following: From the front they belong to the family which includes the Apple design,” said Birss according to reports. “But the Samsung products are very thin, almost insubstantial members of that family with unusual details on the back. They do not have the same understated and extreme simplicity which is possessed by the Apple design. They are not as cool. The overall impression produced is different.”
http://www.sci-tech-today.com/news/iPad-Ruled-Cooler-than-Galaxy-Tab/story.xhtml?story_id=021002KET6R0
August 24, 2012 @ 9:48 PM
The verdicts are in (Korea
The verdicts are in (Korea and US). It looks like Apple did better than Samsung this week.