ot. best real estate market for end times.

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Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 6, 2015 - 10:40pm

given that we are going to roast our planet, where is the next hot, or rather cooler market going to be? where should one be buying real estate to plan for catclysmic collapse of coastal systems?

canada?

alaska?

somethwere with water, some food, distance from huamns.

is there money to be made selling such packages to survivalist minded people?

i ahve a feeling the superwealthy have already set up good escape plans in remote outposts.

how long before the well to do but not rich start buying up property with water and habitable temperatures?

is this any more ridiculous than spending a lot of money to put ina bomb shelter in the 50s?

Submitted by spdrun on August 6, 2015 - 11:04pm.

Vermont. Liberal firearms laws (read: essentially no laws other than Federal), sparse population (but not so sparse they can't work communally) relatively cheap land up north, proximity to a national border, relatively hard-working and civilized inhabitants.

Submitted by Coronita on August 7, 2015 - 2:16am.

I'm still planning my emergency escape route to Vancouver BC, in case we ever have a direct conflict with China, and our government decides that want to throw a bunch of us chinese americans into concentration camps, despite me having nothing to do with China....

maybe I'll resume my real estate search now that the USD => CAN is much better than it was before....

Submitted by The-Shoveler on August 7, 2015 - 6:26am.

I think SoCal is the best place to ride out the end times.

Not an expert but I think the warmer it gets the wetter it will get in SoCal also I think they said the gulf stream would shut down and that would actually cause the more northern latitudes to freeze over.

But I am still on the fence about the whole warming thing and think it may be being blown way out of proportion.

I was hearing that if you charted the parts-per-million over the last 60 million years or so we are still quite below average.

I should have added SoCal 300 or so feet above sea level.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 7, 2015 - 7:15am.

i kind of feel like southern cal is a decent bet for the remainder of my life. but change could come fast

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 7, 2015 - 7:59am.

flu wrote:

maybe I'll resume my real estate search now that the USD => CAN is much better than it was before....

Good idea. Canada sounds like about enter recession.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 7, 2015 - 8:16am.

The US mainland has too many guns.
If there is collapse of order, you don't wan't to be within easy access of hungry marauders with guns (unless you are wealthy enough to afford a militia).

A mountainous tropical island out do the way is best. Have a veggie garden, raise some chicken and rabbit. You can be self-sustaining while the crazies fight over the big land masses. A solar and wind power house with a rain water collection system. Accessible only by boat.

I think that's why Larry Ellison owns a Hawaiian island.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 7, 2015 - 8:15am.

scaredyclassic wrote:

is this any more ridiculous than spending a lot of money to put ina bomb shelter in the 50s?

Not ridiculous. If it happens, you'll be the one laughing "I told you so"

Submitted by livinincali on August 7, 2015 - 9:31am.

Still buying into that global warming garbage. Notice how they've changed the marketing approach from global warming to climate change because the dire warming they were predicting doesn't seem to be coming to fruition. I don't see a whole lot of warming in these temperatures. Maybe you could make a case for a couples tenths of degree C in the past 30 years.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 7, 2015 - 10:35am.

Livin', you're wrong about the terminology.
Climate change is a term favored by skeptics.

When growing up I always heard "global warming"; and that was when caring for the environment was weird. I remember when catalytic converters and unleaded fuel were seen as destroying the economy. That was when LA had smog alerts several times per week.

"Climate change" happened around the late 1990 when the establishment started to come to terms with the issue.

Republican political strategist Frank Luntz in a controversial memo advising conservative politicians on communicating about the environment:

It’s time for us to start talking about “climate change” instead of global warming and “conservation” instead of preservation.

“Climate change” is less frightening than “global warming”. As one focus group participant noted, climate change “sounds like you’re going from Pittsburgh to Fort Lauderdale.” While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge.
http://m.motherjones.com/files/LuntzRese...

Submitted by Coronita on August 7, 2015 - 10:28am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
flu wrote:

maybe I'll resume my real estate search now that the USD => CAN is much better than it was before....

Good idea. Canada sounds like about enter recession.

Holy crap. I didn't know that 1 USD is now 1.31 CAN. I still remember when it was at parity.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on August 7, 2015 - 10:44am.

It's 1.35 Australian Dollar.

Time to look down under LOL.

the CAN and AUS dollars were actually above the USD at one point.

Just goes to show you what happens when China slows down.

there are some who say we are about to repeat the 1997 Asia crash.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 7, 2015 - 11:31am.

Flu,
Until 9/11, canada and usa were pretty much one country, at least as far as Canadians were concerned. Easy to come here for holidays, etc... And in the days before AC, Americans had summer homes in Canada.

My Canadian friends who bought at the bottom in USA are now looking to unload much higher to buy in Canada at their next bottom.

If you like Vancouver, by all means, start looking. And get ready to pounce if Canada goes into recession. If China's growth slows down a lot, then Canada's prices might get negatively affected.

Unfortunately for me, I have no interest in Canada because it's too far. Don't even want to holiday there for any extented periods. Australia is way too far. I'd rather have an apartment in southern France. Maybe when the euro is only Germany, haha.

Submitted by FormerSanDiegan on August 7, 2015 - 1:17pm.

I'm no climate expert, but it ;ooks to me like it's about 0.4 degrees Celsius (about 0.7 degrees Fahrenheit) over this period.

Temp trends

livinincali wrote:
Still buying into that global warming garbage. Notice how they've changed the marketing approach from global warming to climate change because the dire warming they were predicting doesn't seem to be coming to fruition. I don't see a whole lot of warming in these temperatures. Maybe you could make a case for a couples tenths of degree C in the past 30 years.

Submitted by moneymaker on August 7, 2015 - 1:40pm.

I concur about 300 ft. or higher, personally I'm at 460 ft.
All the talk about oceans rising yet I've been going to the ocean now for over 45 years and it still looks the same to me so I don't think the threat is imminent.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on August 7, 2015 - 2:19pm.

Yep me too, Ocean still looks the same as it did 50 years ago.

There were bad storms, long heat waves and bad droughts in the 60's and 70's, people used to freeze to death back east all the time.

Submitted by flyer on August 7, 2015 - 4:24pm.

Will stick with SoCal near the beach until the end, with a touch of here and there around the globe now and then.

Submitted by ltsddd on August 8, 2015 - 8:51am.

flu wrote:
I'm still planning my emergency escape route to Vancouver BC, in case we ever have a direct conflict with China, and our government decides that want to throw a bunch of us chinese americans into concentration camps, despite me having nothing to do with China....

maybe I'll resume my real estate search now that the USD => CAN is much better than it was before....

If I had to relocate, Vancouver would be my choice by a big margin. Clean, safe, great public parks and public transportation is second to none. During the summer, there's still day light late into the evening (9:30 p.m.). Another thing, I notice the people there are generally very fit.

Submitted by Coronita on August 8, 2015 - 9:26am.

ltsdd wrote:
flu wrote:
I'm still planning my emergency escape route to Vancouver BC, in case we ever have a direct conflict with China, and our government decides that want to throw a bunch of us chinese americans into concentration camps, despite me having nothing to do with China....

maybe I'll resume my real estate search now that the USD => CAN is much better than it was before....

If I had to relocate, Vancouver would be my choice by a big margin. Clean, safe, great public parks and public transportation is second to none. During the summer, there's still day light late into the evening (9:30 p.m.). Another thing, I notice the people there are generally very fit.

Unfortunately, it's still out of my price range....:(

http://www.rew.ca/properties/V1134100/ph...

This home makes RSF look like a bargain! But that would be an awesome home.

I think that price is quoted in CAN, so with a 1.31:1 exchange rate, that would be only $2.76 million USD. Now, if I could only find $2.76 million in my seat cushions....Why can't I be one of those rich chinese buyers that shows up at the open house and pays cash :(

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 8, 2015 - 10:00am.

Vancouver doesn't have many high paying professional jobs as compared to cost of living. To learn cooking, I watch the Hot Thai Kitchen YouTube channel. the host is in Vancouver broadcasting from a high rise apartment.

As far as I can tell, the Chinese still don't buy trophy properties like the Russians in the top cities.
This fairly high level Chinese bought in Loomis. Why Loomis of all places?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/04/world/...

Submitted by ltsddd on August 8, 2015 - 11:05am.

Richmond is where you'll find the most Chinese.

Submitted by ltsddd on August 8, 2015 - 11:13am.

flu wrote:
ltsdd wrote:
flu wrote:
I'm still planning my emergency escape route to Vancouver BC, in case we ever have a direct conflict with China, and our government decides that want to throw a bunch of us chinese americans into concentration camps, despite me having nothing to do with China....

maybe I'll resume my real estate search now that the USD => CAN is much better than it was before....

If I had to relocate, Vancouver would be my choice by a big margin. Clean, safe, great public parks and public transportation is second to none. During the summer, there's still day light late into the evening (9:30 p.m.). Another thing, I notice the people there are generally very fit.

Unfortunately, it's still out of my price range....:(

http://www.rew.ca/properties/V1134100/ph...

This home makes RSF look like a bargain! But that would be an awesome home.

I think that price is quoted in CAN, so with a 1.31:1 exchange rate, that would be only $2.76 million USD. Now, if I could only find $2.76 million in my seat cushions....Why can't I be one of those rich chinese buyers that shows up at the open house and pays cash :(

There are less expensive alternatives in Richmond - a 10-15 minutes Skytrain ride to downtown Vancouver.

http://www.rew.ca/properties/V1136338/12...

...but you're right, real estate is generally more expensive than san diego's. This one makes san diego looks like a rock bottom bargain:

http://www.rew.ca/properties/V1136058/79...

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 8, 2015 - 12:50pm.

There are lots of Chinese in Toronto also.
So if you're Chinese, is Vancouver or Toronto better?
What about as a food city?

Submitted by paramount on August 8, 2015 - 12:54pm.

spdrun wrote:
Vermont. Liberal firearms laws (read: essentially no laws other than Federal), sparse population (but not so sparse they can't work communally) relatively cheap land up north, proximity to a national border, relatively hard-working and civilized inhabitants.

Interesting comment. I don't see a lot of what I would call civility in urban/suburban areas of California.

What I see in California is a lot of desperation; people desperate for jobs, money, water, affordable housing and the list goes on and on.

Too many people, too much scarcity and desperation.

As a result of the desperation, people become less civil. They cheat, steal, lie, bully -> you name it you'll find it overwhelmingly in California.

It does seem New England is more civil than California,. but then again I'd say the bar is pretty low.

Submitted by poorgradstudent on August 10, 2015 - 11:17am.

Minnesota.

Good economy, plenty of agriculture, nice people. The worst part about Minnesota are the winters. Although extreme heat in the summer could be rough, modest changes in temperature that made Minnesota more like Iowa could actually improve the agricultural climate.

Any of the Canadian cities except Vancouver (which will be underwater) coudl be nice too.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 15, 2015 - 6:49pm.

In end of times, are nice people still nice when they're hungry?

Submitted by NotCranky on August 15, 2015 - 7:35pm.

This potential disaster sounds really likely. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/0...

Submitted by Jazzman on August 19, 2015 - 11:09pm.

You can actually buy bomb shelters on the cheap at the moment, and I don't think the rich are any more savvy about remote outposts than anyone else. There is no 'better' place to go (if you exclude the universe). The best place to be is a mindset of prevention and preparedness.

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