OT: Asian lives matter too

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Submitted by Coronita on August 6, 2016 - 2:14pm

Things would have gone very different if there was no surveillance video.

And of course the sister in the car was a NYPD agent trying to cover the entire thing up....

Nice.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post...

Granted, the person who killed this man wasn't NYPD, had there not been surveillance, I'm sure the sister would have gotten her brother off .

I think it's time we put high def videos on every street corner, every cop car, body cam every police officer.

I'm willing to give up a little privacy on public streets for it.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 6, 2016 - 2:24pm.

i never experience road rage. i think of other cars as meteors, unthinking blobs in lifes video game.

Submitted by svelte on August 6, 2016 - 3:46pm.

flu wrote:

I think it's time we put high def videos on every street corner, every cop car, body cam every police officer.

I'm willing to give up a little privacy on public streets for it.

I don't think any of us have a right to privacy in public - that's the difference between "private" and "public". !!

So I'm with you on this one...

Submitted by svelte on August 6, 2016 - 3:47pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
i never experience road rage. i think of other cars as meteors, unthinking blobs in lifes video game.

I'm gonna borrow this...

Great idea scaredy.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 7, 2016 - 9:32am.

svelte wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
i never experience road rage. i think of other cars as meteors, unthinking blobs in lifes video game.

I'm gonna borrow this...

Great idea scaredy.

Me too.
That's very zen. I don't have road rage either. I'm very courteous and yield a lot these days. If first at the stop light, i would move to the middle lane to let people turn right on red.

Submitted by spdrun on August 7, 2016 - 3:09pm.

To be clear, the guy's sister wasn't an actual cop, she was a school safety agent. Basically a cross between a meter maid and a mall cop.

Submitted by spdrun on August 7, 2016 - 3:16pm.

I don't think any of us have a right to privacy in public - that's the difference between "private" and "public". !!

I think GOVERNMENT surveillance in public should be restricted. Strict time limits on retention of footage and especially audio, punishable by serious prison time or even public hangin' if violated.

There IS an expectation of privacy in public -- e.g. no one expects a conversation on a park bench to be recorded and retained forever. Sadly, most Americans don't live in cities, so they don't see the need for privacy in the public domain.

On the other hand, government officials themselves should have no expectation of privacy whilst on the job. Get a job with that much power, sign away your rights.

Submitted by Hatfield on August 7, 2016 - 3:43pm.

spdrun wrote:
Sadly, most Americans don't live in cities, so they don't see the need for privacy in the public domain.

I didn't quite follow this one part or see how it fits in. But in fact, more than 80% of Americans live in cities (census-defined urban areas): http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-citie...

Submitted by spdrun on August 7, 2016 - 3:52pm.

Census-defined urban areas don't mean dense cities, they can mean suburbs or even small towns. People in larger cities spend more time in public -- on the subway, in parks, etc, and have conversations there. Many of them don't want the local piggery recording all private conversations in open air.

That's what the Soviets tried to do in the bad old days...

Submitted by no_such_reality on August 7, 2016 - 3:59pm.

spdrun wrote:
To be clear, the guy's sister wasn't an actual cop, she was a school safety agent. Basically a cross between a meter maid and a mall cop.

A meter maid is still a cop.

The position is still recruited and run through the NYPD department of school safety.

Try to f--- with one, from a legal stand point I'm sure you'll find out the State considers them police.

Submitted by spdrun on August 7, 2016 - 4:24pm.

Well, they're not armed and don't have general policing powers, so one can get away with being pretty crude to them so long as no physical violence is used.

I've used unprintable invective against the driver of a van full of "NYPD Traffic" people (aka meter maids), which cut me off while cycling. Legally or physically, they couldn't do a damn thing about it.

I actually regret it a bit, but I didn't at the time since the driver came close to causing me to hit the van.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 7, 2016 - 4:57pm.

spdrun wrote:
Census-defined urban areas don't mean dense cities, they can mean suburbs or even small towns. People in larger cities spend more time in public -- on the subway, in parks, etc, and have conversations there. Many of them don't want the local piggery recording all private conversations in open air.

That's what the Soviets tried to do in the bad old days...

I agree that there should be laws as to how long recording can be retained and used.

But electronic surveillance is here to stay and that will deter crime. Not far in the future, light bulbs will double as surveillance devices.

When iOS 10 comes out, people will be shopping for new devices to monitor and automate their homes. Car should have 360 surveillance cameras that record on a loop to allow investigation of crashes.

Eventually, big data will allow real time sharing of data to anticipate events.

I find all this fascinating. Most people leave the mobile phone wifi turned on and it tries to connect as it moves along. That can allow allow security people to monitor suspicious activities based on traffic patterns.

Submitted by spdrun on August 7, 2016 - 5:08pm.

Personally, I hope that North Korea will explode a few EMP nukes above CONUS well before we get to the point of light bulbs spying on people, frying 90% of unshielded electronics. Setting technology back fifty years would be a laudable goal in that case.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on August 8, 2016 - 12:21am.

spdrun wrote:
Personally, I hope that North Korea will explode a few EMP nukes above CONUS well before we get to the point of light bulbs spying on people, frying 90% of unshielded electronics. Setting technology back fifty years would be a laudable goal in that case.

Newt Gingrich warned about that
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2011/12/12/us/...

Submitted by Myriad on August 8, 2016 - 1:31am.

spdrun wrote:
Personally, I hope that North Korea will explode a few EMP nukes above CONUS well before we get to the point of light bulbs spying on people, frying 90% of unshielded electronics. Setting technology back fifty years would be a laudable goal in that case.

There's definitely some other people in this forum that would be excited for this to happen...

Submitted by scaredyclassic on August 8, 2016 - 6:47am.

FlyerInHi wrote:
svelte wrote:
scaredyclassic wrote:
i never experience road rage. i think of other cars as meteors, unthinking blobs in lifes video game.

I'm gonna borrow this...

Great idea scaredy.

Me too.
That's very zen. I don't have road rage either. I'm very courteous and yield a lot these days. If first at the stop light, i would move to the middle lane to let people turn right on red.

i didnt make this up, i read it somewhere. but it always stuck with me. depersonalizing other cars seems useful in terms of managing emotion. i had a friend who really used to get angry at everyone on the road, everything was a personal affront.

it once got him in a bit of trouble. this type of thinking is not helpful toward the aim of driving, which is basically to move your vehicle across space without it occupying the same coordinates as any other vehicle at the same time. its more of a math problem than an interpersonal thing.

Submitted by moneymaker on August 11, 2016 - 7:35am.

When you consider the average person out there it is kinda scary driving. 38 years of driving with no major (injury) accidents to me is just dumb luck on my part. Anytime you are driving down an undivided road you are at the mercy of a stranger going the other way. I try not to think about that reality though, otherwise I would be scared to drive.

Submitted by ltsddd on August 11, 2016 - 7:12pm.

scaredyclassic wrote:
i had a friend who really used to get angry at everyone on the road, everything was a personal affront.

I can't stand those effing prius drivers.

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