OT: Anonymous NYT op-ed

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Submitted by zk on September 6, 2018 - 8:56am

The anonymous op-ed that was published yesterday in the New York Times seems to be being taken at face value.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opini...

Most of the commentary about it centers on who might have written it or whether the person who wrote it is a coward or a hero or whether this person would more effectively help our country by identifying himself and resigning or whether the 25th amendment should be invoked. Or a few other things.

But I have yet to see any reporting or commentary that asks the question, "is the purpose of this commentary really to let us know there are adults in the room and that there is a resistance?"

I don't think that's the purpose of it. At least not with the stated motivation of protecting our country from trump.

I think it's pretty obvious that almost everyone around the president has known for quite some time (probably since before the election) that he is dangerously inadequate for the job. And, being cowardly or selfish or both, they have been pretending he's fine (or even a great leader) so that they could keep him in power (not just actually keep him as president, but keep him in a position of real power). That way they can keep giving their donors tax cuts and get their conservative judges and keep republicans in power in general.

With the blue wave looking bigger and bigger, they can see the end of that road. If democrats take the house, trump won't get anything done the rest of his presidency. Partly because he won't have a congressional majority and partly because of all the investigations that will ensue.

They're also no doubt aware that there's a very good chance that Mueller's report will contain information so damaging that, if it becomes public, at least 2/3 of the senate will be forced to vote to remove trump to avoid going down in history as the most cowardly, partisan, selfish, horrible-for-the-country politicians in the history of this great country (if they aren't going down as such already).

So they're looking for a way to extend their power past this November. Because, as it stands right now, that's the end for them. For a long time. As more and more information about trump's incredible incompetence and ignorance and corruptness and foolishness and childishness and laziness and vindictiveness and selfishness and (oh, I could go on) comes to light, republicans know that they'll be looked at as pathetic, cowardly, ridiculous enablers of this fool. And people won't trust (nor vote for) republicans for a long, long time.

How do they get out of that predicament? Why, they just claim that they knew trump was a dangerous fool all along and only kept him in office because "no one wanted to precipitate a constitutional crisis." (More cowardly and disingenuous words have rarely been written.)

What I think they're really hoping for is to turn back the blue wave in one of two ways: One, to mitigate the concerns about trump held by (semi-) reasonable republican voters and independents and other potential republican voters. Or two, to push congress (or the cabinet) to act on removing trump now.

If the blue wave happens, they're screwed no matter what happens to trump. But if they can convince voters that they're not enabling trump but, rather, heroically protecting our nation, they figure maybe they can prevent the blue wave. And maybe, while they're at it, they can get pence in there. Then they would have at least 2 more years of power and maybe 6 years or even more.

Sure, it's a desperate gamble. But this is a desperate time for them. And the payoff could be massive.

Don't fall for it. Republicans ARE, in fact, dangerous enablers of a dangerous, corrupt, ignorant fool. And voting republican this November will keep this country on this dangerous path.

Submitted by The-Shoveler on September 25, 2018 - 7:58am.

Most people vote their pocket book IMO.

Consumer confidence index surges to 18-year high

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/consumer-...

Submitted by zk on September 25, 2018 - 8:22am.

flu wrote:
....so....

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/24/politics/...

if there is a large blue wave coming, how come, as reported by CNN, the gallop poll is saying GOP holds a 45% favorability rating and Democrats hold a 44%?

The democrats (from what I've read) need to hold the 194 house seats they have and flip 24 republican seats to gain a majority in the house. I would call that a blue wave.

If you don't think that's going to happen (democrats gaining a majority in the house), and you want to lay a thousand dollars on your prediction, pm me.

Submitted by Coronita on September 25, 2018 - 8:41am.

I consider a blue wave would mean a slaughtering of the GOP in both the House and Senate. I don't doubt the House might change, and that's probably a good thing since we would have some checks and balances back in the federal government. But I don't see a complete democrat landslide either. Maybe we mean different things by "wave"....

By that definition, we might have a purple "wave" run through California with the Democrats losing a supermajority, especially with a lot of the independents frustrated with things here....that too would be a good thing, because again we would have some system of checks and balances.

Submitted by outtamojo on September 25, 2018 - 8:46am.

If anything kills the blue wave it will be overconfidence and staying home because all the polls say it's in the bag.

Submitted by zk on September 25, 2018 - 1:36pm.

outtamojo wrote:
If anything kills the blue wave it will be overconfidence and staying home because all the polls say it's in the bag.

I agree. That's also part of the 2016 story.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 25, 2018 - 1:38pm.

outtamojo wrote:
If anything kills the blue wave it will be overconfidence and staying home because all the polls say it's in the bag.

So true. Democrats are not good at turnout even though they always win the popular vote. Our political system is rigged towards giving more representation to retrograde rural values.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 25, 2018 - 1:40pm.

There should be a pink wave. If not, women still have a long way to go.

Submitted by Coronita on September 25, 2018 - 2:40pm.

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Submitted by FlyerInHi on September 26, 2018 - 12:58pm.

The blue wave I'd like to see is Texas.
After Texas turns blue all the rich states will be blue and the poor states red. As it is, all the rich metros are blue already. That should tell us something.

Plus Beto is cool, positive and inspirational.

Submitted by Coronita on October 6, 2018 - 4:42pm.

so how will this outcome affect the blue wave?

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 8, 2018 - 11:07am.

Pink wave. 50 yo suburban men are getting less sex.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 8, 2018 - 8:05pm.

I predict Heidi Heitkamp loses and Beto wins in Texas. We will see the continuing reorder of politics based on rural vs urban. As the big city suburbs become more urban, they will turn blue.

Submitted by zk on October 8, 2018 - 11:00pm.

FlyerInHi wrote:
I predict Heidi Heitkamp loses and Beto wins in Texas. We will see the continuing reorder of politics based on rural vs urban. As the big city suburbs become more urban, they will turn blue.

I'd be very surprised if Beto wins. Ecstatic, but surprised. I'll be canvassing for him in Austin later this month while I visit my sister there. Go Beto!

Submitted by scaredyclassic on October 9, 2018 - 7:02am.

its astonishing to me that people only vote when riled up.

maybe you should lose the vote if not used for a period of time.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on October 9, 2018 - 10:28am.

zk wrote:

I'd be very surprised if Beto wins. Ecstatic, but surprised. I'll be canvassing for him in Austin later this month while I visit my sister there. Go Beto!

To me Beto is young and aspirational. He’s cool and positive and embodies the best values of America. Ted Cruz is the angry, cruel America.

What puzzles me is if Trump’s economy is so good, why are there so many angry Republicans?

Submitted by zk on November 5, 2018 - 10:45am.

flu wrote:
you really think there is a massive blue wave?

Stats say that when then economy is humming along, incumbent party stays in control.

My confidence in any kind of blue wave, even a small one, is waning. And it's got nothing to do with the economy.

Many intelligent and (I had previously thought) reasonable people I know are actually truly afraid of the migrant caravan and immigrants in general (and will therefore be voting republican). Not in a, "they're taking our jobs and we're spending money on their welfare" way, which would be ignorant and stupid enough all by itself. But in a much more visceral, fearful of physical violence way. Which, when you consider the actual amount of danger they pose (especially compared to the many dangers that are actually out there), is unfathomably ridiculous.

It really is hard to believe that people are that stupid. But clearly they are.

I guess it really shouldn't be that hard to believe, though. Kinda my bad for ever thinking otherwise. In truth, we're just animals whose brains are wired for discerning threats to our immediate physical survival, and not for discerning the larger truth or truth in general or any specific truth in particular. That may have been an advantage in the natural world. But now that we've built a civilization, it seems to me that it's a shortcoming.

It seems to me that a bigger, more important movement than the movements for equality for women, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. would be a movement that acknowledges that shortcoming and teaches people how to recognize when that shortcoming is causing them to see as "the truth" something that is not the truth. I think that if people could see when that shortcoming is causing them to not think clearly, then there's a good chance we wouldn't even need those other movements.

Not that there's a chance in hell that such a movement will ever happen. And it probably wouldn't work anyway (because people are idiots). In reality, it's just a silly dream of mine.

Submitted by gromit on November 5, 2018 - 2:38pm.

zk wrote:
flu wrote:
you really think there is a massive blue wave?

Stats say that when then economy is humming along, incumbent party stays in control.

My confidence in any kind of blue wave, even a small one, is waning. And it's got nothing to do with the economy.

Many intelligent and (I had previously thought) reasonable people I know are actually truly afraid of the migrant caravan and immigrants in general (and will therefore be voting republican). Not in a, "they're taking our jobs and we're spending money on their welfare" way, which would be ignorant and stupid enough all by itself. But in a much more visceral, fearful of physical violence way. Which, when you consider the actual amount of danger they pose (especially compared to the many dangers that are actually out there), is unfathomably ridiculous.

It really is hard to believe that people are that stupid. But clearly they are.

I guess it really shouldn't be that hard to believe, though. Kinda my bad for ever thinking otherwise. In truth, we're just animals whose brains are wired for discerning threats to our immediate physical survival, and not for discerning the larger truth or truth in general or any specific truth in particular. That may have been an advantage in the natural world. But now that we've built a civilization, it seems to me that it's a shortcoming.

It seems to me that a bigger, more important movement than the movements for equality for women, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. would be a movement that acknowledges that shortcoming and teaches people how to recognize when that shortcoming is causing them to see as "the truth" something that is not the truth. I think that if people could see when that shortcoming is causing them to not think clearly, then there's a good chance we wouldn't even need those other movements.

Not that there's a chance in hell that such a movement will ever happen. And it probably wouldn't work anyway (because people are idiots). In reality, it's just a silly dream of mine.

There has been such a movement. It's pretty old, and actually fairly popular. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism

:)

Submitted by outtamojo on November 5, 2018 - 8:12pm.

Yes people are idiots- especially the bible thumping idol worshippers for whom indivisible with liberty and justice for all mean nothing. If I were a kid again I would take a knee in class.

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 6, 2018 - 9:15am.

outtamojo wrote:
Yes people are idiots- especially the bible thumping idol worshippers for whom indivisible with liberty and justice for all mean nothing. If I were a kid again I would take a knee in class.

So true!

Submitted by FlyerInHi on November 6, 2018 - 9:23am.

zk wrote:

Many intelligent and (I had previously thought) reasonable people I know are actually truly afraid of the migrant caravan and immigrants in general (and will therefore be voting republican). Not in a, "they're taking our jobs and we're spending money on their welfare" way, which would be ignorant and stupid enough all by itself. But in a much more visceral, fearful of physical violence way. Which, when you consider the actual amount of danger they pose (especially compared to the many dangers that are actually out there), is unfathomably ridiculous.

It really is hard to believe that people are that stupid. But clearly they are.

I guess it really shouldn't be that hard to believe, though. Kinda my bad for ever thinking otherwise. In truth, we're just animals whose brains are wired for discerning threats to our immediate physical survival, and not for discerning the larger truth or truth in general or any specific truth in particular. That may have been an advantage in the natural world. But now that we've built a civilization, it seems to me that it's a shortcoming.

Good point. The caravan are people who deserve compassion. I would welcome them with open arms.

What does it say about the leaders who play to our fears? We are not that civilized.
Madeleine Albright said "we stand taller, we see further." Not.

Submitted by zk on November 6, 2018 - 9:40am.

FlyerInHi wrote:

What does it say about the leaders who play to our fears?

Well, to this point, it says they're winning. We'll see what happens today.

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