Off Topic "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

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Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 9:17am

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

"If you'll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington," Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. "I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...

If that doesn't scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 26, 2008 - 12:19pm.

Veritas: Well, Nazi is simply shorthand for "National Socialist". Both Hitler and Mussolini were at the vanguard of what was to be a worldwide socialist movement.

If you look at Hitler's domestic policies, such as they were, they were socialist both in policy and, to a lesser extent, in execution. When I say a lesser extent, that is largely a function of Hitler's reach exceeding his grasp (his vision of "Greater Germania", for example).

The truly sad fact, and one that you and another poster on the thread astutely pointed out, is that Bush and the Republican Party (albeit with the help of the Democrats) have already pretty much "socialized" America in the last few months. I don't see Obama coming in and doing anything worse than has already been done.

Interestingly, Hitler, Mussolini and FDR were pretty much working off the same socialist playbook when it came to reviving the economies and fortunes of their respective countries. Obviously, the outcome was markedly different in terms of where Germany, Italy and the US wound up (following WWII), but there is a school of thought that holds that FDR's policies during the New Deal period were largely failures. It will also be interesting to see the fallout from the policies of these last few months.

Submitted by Kilohana on October 26, 2008 - 12:27pm.

xironman wrote:
I used to read this site back before the bubble crushed the economy. I happened on this thread and could not resist the fact that someone quoted a story from WorldNetDaily. I wonder how that bigfoot on ice is doing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72299

I've been reading this blog for years now and I'm terribly disappointed that this forum has devolved into a haven for the tinfoil hat brigade. Aren't there already enough sites out there to cater to these gullible people? Accusations, taken as fact - completely absent of proof - has become widely accepted by these people. Since when did Guilty Until Proven Innocent become the norm?

Berg's Obama Birth Certificate case has been dismissed by a judge.

"Judge R. Barclay Surrick ruled that Berg's attempts to use certain laws to gain standing to pursue his claim that Obama was not a natural-born citizen were "frivolous and not worthy of discussion."

I guess they were against frivolous lawsuits before they were for them.

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/local/20...

Obviously, character assaults on Judge Surrick have already begun.
Without a doubt, there will be appeal after appeal after appeal... It's never over with these people.

Berg had not one shred of evidence that Obama was not born in Hawaii. He also didn't have proof that Obama was born anywhere else. Berg needs to stop wasting the taxpayers money and accept that an accusation is NOTHING without proof. At least that's how I thought it was supposed to work in this country.

Submitted by Veritas on October 26, 2008 - 12:38pm.

Asking tough questions leads to censorship:

"Barack Obama's campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/25/...

First comes the censorship, then the blackouts, next the blacklist and the book burning. Change~

Submitted by Kilohana on October 26, 2008 - 1:46pm.

Veritas wrote:
Asking tough questions leads to censorship:

"Barack Obama's campaign killed all interviews with a Florida TV station after Sen. Joe Biden, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, faced tough and critical questions from a reporter at the Orlando station, the Orlando Sentinel reported."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/25/...

First comes the censorship, then the blackouts, next the blacklist and the book burning. Change~

I agree. In fact, I agreed when McCain threw Maureen Dowd (CNN) off his campaign plane.

But then I was reassured that this was not censorship because McCain was only standing up to bully reporters.

I'm so glad we will have Palin in office to discourage book burning!

Weee!

Submitted by tc on October 26, 2008 - 1:59pm.

Keep squirming around. I quite enjoy it. It reminds me how desperate you are.

Submitted by Arraya on October 26, 2008 - 2:24pm.

Lots of conspiracy theories are bogus, but rejecting them all just because of how they're framed is not wise. The way it is today, a gang of conspirators could get away with anything: they just need to start an Internet rumor of what they just did, framing it as a conspiracy theory, and anyone who tries to talk about it will be ignored.

While it would be difficult to prove, this story fits the modus operandi of propagandists, who are masters at spreading false claims of scandals and then discrediting those spreading false claims once they get some traction among dissidents.

Or

Like, in 2004, CBS anchorman Dan Rather was baited with doctored memos of Bush going AWOL in the National Guard - the scandal was real but the memos were not, so Rather became the issue, not W.

I personally could care less if he is not eligible, it wouldn't surprise me a bit. Not in a "he is a manchurian candidate from the muslim world" way more "All mainstream candidates are preselected by the real powers in charge" way and if he is their man they could make him a citizen. The ironic thing is the vitriol in which people argue over which of the two corporate stooge candidates would do a better job than the other, when the differences between the two is paper thing besides packaging. You people are fooling yourselves.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 26, 2008 - 4:40pm.

arraya: This is tangential even for me, but did you ever see the movie "Capricorn One"? It's a little dated, granted, but a real good one when it comes to conspiracy theories and the Big Lie.

Just curious.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on May 21, 2009 - 10:29am.

Hey Libs, how's that change thing working for you now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/pol...

“He was almost ruminating over the need for statutory change to the laws so that we can deal with individuals who we can’t charge and detain,” one participant said. “We’ve known this is on the horizon for many years, but we were able to hold it off with George Bush. The idea that we might find ourselves fighting with the Obama administration over these powers is really stunning.”

"Mr. Obama told them he was thinking about “the long game” — how to establish a legal system that would endure for future presidents. He raised the issue of preventive detention himself, but made clear that he had not made a decision on it. Several senior White House officials did not respond to requests for comment on the outsiders’ accounts."

Later Terror Link Cited for 1 in 7 Freed Detainees
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
Published: May 20, 2009
WASHINGTON — An unreleased Pentagon report concludes that about one in seven of the 534 prisoners already transferred abroad from the detention center in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, are engaged in terrorism or militant activity, according to administration officials.
The conclusion could strengthen the arguments of critics who have warned against the transfer or release of any more detainees as part of President Obama’s plan to shut down the prison by January. Past Pentagon reports on Guantánamo recidivism have been met with skepticism from civil liberties groups and criticized for their lack of detail.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/pol...

Submitted by PadreBrian on May 21, 2009 - 10:34am.

Dubya, did one hecka of a job instilling fascism. I remember the time when it was "un-American" to even question Dubya.

Submitted by Zeitgeist on May 21, 2009 - 10:40am.

Ditto Obama. There is not much difference. Too bad many of his supporters do not see this, you included Pad. This is not about Bush. It is about loss of freedom, like Habeus corpus. Too bad you are too ego involved and identify so much with the party you do not understand the significance. Keep bashing Bush while the country goes to hell under Obama.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on May 21, 2009 - 12:52pm.

PadreBrian wrote:
Dubya, did one hecka of a job instilling fascism. I remember the time when it was "un-American" to even question Dubya.

Like it's now un-American to question Obama. Except in this case, if you question Obama it's because you're either stupid, a Christian right winger, anti-intellectual or obstructionist.

His complete 180 on a variety of issues should clue everyone in to the fact that the whole "Hope" and "Change" thing was nothing more than empty rhetoric.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Submitted by Wickedheart on May 21, 2009 - 1:36pm.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

Like it's now un-American to question Obama. Except in this case, if you question Obama it's because you're either stupid, a Christian right winger, anti-intellectual or obstructionist.

His complete 180 on a variety of issues should clue everyone in to the fact that the whole "Hope" and "Change" thing was nothing more than empty rhetoric.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

And if you support a third party candidate, display pro-constitution bumper stickers or own certain books or movies you are a nut job and potentially a domestic terrorist.

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on May 21, 2009 - 1:58pm.

Wickedheart wrote:
Allan from Fallbrook wrote:

Like it's now un-American to question Obama. Except in this case, if you question Obama it's because you're either stupid, a Christian right winger, anti-intellectual or obstructionist.

His complete 180 on a variety of issues should clue everyone in to the fact that the whole "Hope" and "Change" thing was nothing more than empty rhetoric.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

And if you support a third party candidate, display pro-constitution bumper stickers or own certain books or movies you are a nut job and potentially a domestic terrorist.

Well, if by third party candidates you mean David Duke and certain books and movies, you mean "Mein Kampf" and Leni Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will", it is possible you ARE a nut job and domestic terrorist.

Submitted by Aecetia on May 21, 2009 - 5:36pm.

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