Off Topic "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

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Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 9:17am

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

"If you'll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington," Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. "I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...

If that doesn't scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

Submitted by tc on October 23, 2008 - 5:28pm.

To late with the socialist thing dude. The current administration is already taking care of that. I love watching those guys open their eyes as well. Your Welcome :0)

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 5:30pm.

Mark Holmes wrote:
John, how is this quote by Michelle Obama something that would reflect negatively on Obama:

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed".

It's very similar to this passage:

"If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife."

That's from Franklin D. Roosevelt's 1st Inaugural Address, his famous "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" speech.

I would argue that speech is much more laden with overt and symbolic religious references.

What is interesting about FDR and Obama is Obama is saying similar things that FDR did.

Consider this except/comment from a speech of FDR's:

Beginning with his inauguration address, Roosevelt began blaming the economic crisis on bankers and financiers, the quest for profit, and the self-interest basis of capitalism:

“ Primarily this is because rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and have abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men. True they have tried, but their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence....The money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of the restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

People are interesting. As long as their stocks go up they don't even want to know why or how. As soon as they tank they get pissed off and start blaming the crooks on wall street. Yes wall street is crooked but thats ok as long as everyone's making money.

John

Submitted by afx114 on October 23, 2008 - 6:13pm.

John,

I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how "righteous wind is a Muslim perspective."

Submitted by Arraya on October 23, 2008 - 6:17pm.

Beginning with his inauguration address, Roosevelt began blaming the economic crisis on bankers and financiers, the quest for profit, and the self-interest basis of capitalism:

Yup, history is repeating itself and we are going into the greater depression and probably WWIII. It is also interesting the the economic dynamics were almost exactly the same. It's almost as if somebody said "Hey, lets do the same thing that got us into the depression and see what happens.

I wonder if there will be a corporate coup to take over Obama like the tried to do to FDR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

"was a political conspiracy in 1933 wherein wealthy businessmen and corporations plotted a coup d’état to overthrow United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt. In 1934, the Business Plot was publicly revealed by retired Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler testifying to the McCormack-Dickstein Congressional Committee. [1] In his testimony, Butler claimed that a group of men had approached him as part of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt in a military coup. One of the alleged plotters, Gerald MacGuire, vehemently denied any such plot. In their final report, the Congressional committee supported Butler's allegations of the existence of the plot,[2] but no prosecutions or further investigations followed, and the matter was mostly forgotten."

Cramer argues that this explains why some American business leaders viewed fascism as a viable system to both preserve their interests and end the economic woes of the Depression.[4]

Interestingly it was wall street bankers that tried to do it and grampa Prescott Bush was one of the crew. Seems he helped finance Hitler as well.

Submitted by svelte on October 24, 2008 - 8:47am.

From dictionary.com:


right⋅eous   /ˈraɪtʃəs/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [rahy-chuhs] Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective 1. characterized by uprightness or morality: a righteous observance of the law.
2. morally right or justifiable: righteous indignation.
3. acting in an upright, moral way; virtuous: a righteous and godly person.
4. Slang. absolutely genuine or wonderful: some righteous playing by a jazz great.

Righteous means upright and moral. Definition #3 is the only one that mentions God, and it does that in an example of the definition.

He did not say he had God behind him....he said he had a moral wind behind him.

I think this thread says more about the way you think than it says about anything else.

jficquette wrote:
creechrr wrote:

"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

Is this the part that rings alarm bells for you?


Hell yeah for a guy to say God is behind him and he is coming to save you is scary.

Don't you think?? But I guess its ok if a democrat saids it right?

John

Submitted by urbanrealtor on October 24, 2008 - 9:10am.

John:
1:
You commented that nobody outside msm and the left think he is qualified.

Are the majority of Americans not to be considered?

2:
You commented here and elsewhere that the school he attended was muslim.
When reporters and others have gone to the school, they were advised it was secular with lots of Christian and other students. Muslim kids were the majority but not all.

Were the school officials lying? Was the media covering for him? Is the sheer lack of evidence conclusive proof that the conspiracy exists?

3:
You have commented that his birth certificate is fake.

Can you give some evidence for this? Does the paper not match the governments own records? Have they found a forger?

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 24, 2008 - 10:34am.

arraya: You want to have some fun? Read up on Marine Corps Major Smedley Butler. He was like the Zelig of the 1920s and 1930s for the US Government and is the main source behind the US Marine Corps Small Wars Manual (circa 1940), which was the guidebook we used in Central America during the 1980s.

Fascinating dude, and extremely outspoken when it came to US involvement in that part of world (Latin America and the Caribbean Basin). He referred to US interests as a "racket" in that part of the world and said that he, in his role with the Marines, maintained "a going concern" on three continents.

Extremely interesting reading and proof that, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Submitted by jficquette on October 24, 2008 - 11:06am.

urbanrealtor wrote:
John:
1:
You commented that nobody outside msm and the left think he is qualified.

Are the majority of Americans not to be considered?

2:
You commented here and elsewhere that the school he attended was muslim.
When reporters and others have gone to the school, they were advised it was secular with lots of Christian and other students. Muslim kids were the majority but not all.

Were the school officials lying? Was the media covering for him? Is the sheer lack of evidence conclusive proof that the conspiracy exists?

3:
You have commented that his birth certificate is fake.

Can you give some evidence for this? Does the paper not match the governments own records? Have they found a forger?

Yes they found the guy who forged it. Some campaign worker. You can find it pretty easy if you search on Internet. Here is a you tube deal on it.

We screwed anyway who cares. I just enjoy pointing out hypocrisy.

John

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfIV1ntYggc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57MxDHKh0...

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Po...

Submitted by blahblahblah on October 24, 2008 - 11:07am.

If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.

Submitted by jficquette on October 24, 2008 - 11:18am.

afx114 wrote:
John,

I'm still waiting to hear your explanation of how "righteous wind is a Muslim perspective."

Its self evident to me and its just my opinion.

That's not even the point. The point is msm would have blasted Mccain for saying it but don't even challenge Obama on it.

If you vote for Obama you are voting for a guy who won't even use his middle name nor provide birth records.

Have you noticed those IQ tags they have now where they said are you smarter then Bush or McCain or Biden etc?? I don't see any for Obama. If it was higher then McCain it would be all over the place.

Mccain is put at 138, Biden 146. No Obama though and those numbers are derived from sat scores.

Sorry got off to rambling.

John

Submitted by jficquette on October 24, 2008 - 11:23am.

CONCHO wrote:
If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.

Supposely he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonisan passport.

I am not sure you have to have a birth certificate for a passport if you have other docs. The rules are online.

We don't have a government function to vet presidential candidates so its ripe for abuse just like anything else the government has its hands in.

John

Submitted by SDEngineer on October 24, 2008 - 11:53am.

jficquette wrote:
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

"If you'll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington," Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. "I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...

If that doesn't scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

This coming from the guy who's supporting the nominee of the party that has been all about "God, (anti-)Gays, and Guns" for the past three decades? Who wrap themselves in the flag every election cycle and proclaim themselves the "REAL" Patriots while denigrating the opposition and calling them un-patriotic and un-American? Who rallies their religious right wing base every election cycle with slanted messages and proclamations that the other side wants to take away their Bibles, tax their Churches, and turn the whole country atheist?

The hypocrisy of this post is awe-inspiring, mind-boggling, and absolutely staggering to behold.

Submitted by SDEngineer on October 24, 2008 - 11:57am.

jficquette wrote:
CONCHO wrote:
If his birth certificate is a fake, then how the hell did he get a passport? Must be a pretty damn good fake.

Supposely he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonisan passport.

I am not sure you have to have a birth certificate for a passport if you have other docs. The rules are online.

We don't have a government function to vet presidential candidates so its ripe for abuse just like anything else the government has its hands in.

John

You absolutely need proof of citizenship. A birth certificate or certificate of naturalization is mandatory to show this.

Besides, he's released his birth certificate. A few on the right continue to try to make out that it's phony, but nobody with any credibility claims it's a fake anymore.

Submitted by afx114 on October 24, 2008 - 1:30pm.

We've been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven't backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he's not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It's ok, you're allowed to admit that you're wrong. You'll be respected more for it.

Submitted by hibiscus on October 24, 2008 - 1:45pm.

jficquette wrote:

Its self evident to me and its just my opinion.

Ah. The last refuge of the right-winger with no logical argument! I got it yesterday from someone who was arguing (ha!) with me about Prop 8.

"I believe it!" is not a logical point. And it makes you look like a blithering idiot if you say it.

Submitted by Kilohana on October 24, 2008 - 2:29pm.

jficquette wrote:

Its self evident to me and its just my opinion.

John

Is this based on your vast experience with Islam? Or did it come from your gut?

As someone with Muslim family members and a great deal of exposure to the religion and culture surrounding it, I have to say that you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Your knowledge base on the issue is limited to what you have googled and found on right wing conspiracy blogs.

Further, Palin was on TV talking about letting God decide the election.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/200...

I know...shocking.

Submitted by greekfire on October 24, 2008 - 3:38pm.

I'll try to get back to the point of this thread:

Ron Paul on Sinclair Lewis and Mike Huckabee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvl_hQ80ZNQ

America: Freedom to Fascism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ueEfRXZCVA

Submitted by Veritas on October 24, 2008 - 5:23pm.

"Arbeit macht frei"

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 24, 2008 - 7:56pm.

Veritas: Wow. I'm waiting for someone on the board to realize where THAT expression hails from.

That's a doozy.

Submitted by afx114 on October 25, 2008 - 1:29am.

Didn't someone else already win the Godwin in this thread?

Submitted by jficquette on October 25, 2008 - 9:23am.

afx114 wrote:
We've been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven't backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he's not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It's ok, you're allowed to admit that you're wrong. You'll be respected more for it.

Afx, why don't you just admit that you don't care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_b...

Submitted by afx114 on October 25, 2008 - 11:59am.

jficquette wrote:
Afx, why don't you just admit that you don't care if he is eligible or not.

You're right John, I totally want an illegal alien terrorist Muslim socialist in the White House. Who wouldn't?

Submitted by cooperthedog on October 25, 2008 - 7:41pm.

jficquette wrote:
afx114 wrote:
We've been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven't backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he's not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It's ok, you're allowed to admit that you're wrong. You'll be respected more for it.

Afx, why don't you just admit that you don't care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_b...

John,

You're providing a quote from newsmax... and you expect to be taken seriously? Their headline story is "Joe the plumber warns America about Obama"

An excerpt from the article you posted: "Respected conservative blogger Ed Morrissey called the Berg lawsuit a “conspiracy theory” that had been put to rest by the Obama campaign over the summer but ”has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.”

I think he's talking about you, John.

Check out the link below for an independent analysis:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/...

Submitted by cooperthedog on October 25, 2008 - 7:46pm.

duplicate

Submitted by Veritas on October 25, 2008 - 8:42pm.

Allan,

I thought it explained the M. Obama quote: it sounds like she thinks we will be so happy working together in the transformed paradise. Socialism did not work then and it will not work now. No matter how compelling the message, how fearful the population and how desperate the economy. Obama is a zero sum game.

"John, how is this quote by Michelle Obama something that would reflect negatively on Obama?"

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed".

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 25, 2008 - 10:22pm.

Veritas: You do realize that a sign bearing those words ("Arbeit Macht Frei", Works Makes Freedom) was found in front of Nazi work camps, right?

Just checking.

I didn't know if you were trying to draw a comparison there, but it caught my eye.

Submitted by afx114 on October 26, 2008 - 12:35am.

Michelle Obama didn't mean "work" in the sense of labor. She meant it in a "get off your ass and get involved in your awareness of current events, your country, your politics, your community." In other words, no more intellectual laziness. We've seen first hand what 8 years of ignorance, bigotry, and fear gives us. She's saying that those days are over.

She's not saying "Obama will make you work in a factory for the motherland."

So put that Godwin in your pipe and smoke it.

P.S., still waiting for John to prove that Obama is an illegal alien.

Submitted by Veritas on October 26, 2008 - 10:13am.

Yes Allan, that was my point and I also wanted to make the point that Socialism has many faces. The fact that Hitler was a NAZI does not make him less a socialist. I think he probably had good medical coverage for his people, he improved the schools and certainly much of the country wanted the change he brought. It just came at a very high price. People should be careful what they wish for. All change is not good. There is a big difference between change and improvement. What many people here seem to bemoan is the government taking control of so many institutions and that is happening now, with the bailouts. It is not just Obama, it is Congress that is forcing a change on the United States that will have negative consequences for many years to come. The record should also reflect that McCain supported it, too. What happened to the Maverick?

Submitted by jficquette on October 26, 2008 - 10:18am.

cooperthedog wrote:
jficquette wrote:
afx114 wrote:
We've been through all of this before, yet John keeps coming back with the same tired arguments. John, you still haven't backed up your own claim by stating that Obama is either an illegal alien or a naturalized citizen. Because if he's not a natural born citizen like you claim, he has to be one of those two.

Obviously, if he was a naturalized citizen, records would be easily available from the INS and he would be disqualified as a presidential candidate. If follows then, that you believe Obama to be an illegal alien. We all know that it is impossible for an illegal alien to run for president. The INS would have shipped him back to wherever you claim he was born.

So please, for your own sanity, either provide proof that Obama is an illegal alien, or admit that your citizenship claims are nothing more than rotten old troll food and that you enjoy watching us get all worked up over this.

It's ok, you're allowed to admit that you're wrong. You'll be respected more for it.

Afx, why don't you just admit that you don't care if he is eligible or not.

John

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_b...

John,

You're providing a quote from newsmax... and you expect to be taken seriously? Their headline story is "Joe the plumber warns America about Obama"

An excerpt from the article you posted: "Respected conservative blogger Ed Morrissey called the Berg lawsuit a “conspiracy theory” that had been put to rest by the Obama campaign over the summer but ”has arisen like a zombie yet again to suck the credibility out of the conservative blogosphere.”

I think he's talking about you, John.

Check out the link below for an independent analysis:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Factcheck is bullshit. Its a tool owned by the Anneberg foundation who is in the tank for Obama.

You just seek and seek for some little something to combat reems of information that says the opposite. Why do you bother? You don't even care who or what Obama is.

As far as newmax goes they are more credible then the network news who is in the tank for Obama.

Check this out:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pa...

John

Submitted by xironman on October 26, 2008 - 11:57am.

I used to read this site back before the bubble crushed the economy. I happened on this thread and could not resist the fact that someone quoted a story from WorldNetDaily. I wonder how that bigfoot on ice is doing http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...

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