Off Topic "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

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Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 9:17am

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis
1930 Nobel Laureate in Literature

Obama said this day before yesterday:

"If you'll stand with me, then I know that we can win Virginia and we can win this election and we can finally bring the change we need to Washington," Obama told the estimated crowd of 35,000. "I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/...

If that doesn't scare anyone with a brain nothing will.

If McCain had said that the msm atheists would be all over it.

John

Submitted by creechrr on October 23, 2008 - 9:36am.

"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

Is this the part that rings alarm bells for you?



Seems like the usual rally speech material. Fascism may be a bit of a stretch.

Submitted by Arraya on October 23, 2008 - 9:36am.

John your right it is scary. It's the same type of religious manipulation that GWB and Rove did in both his elections yet not religious. Good Catch! They actually sent out these flyers in west virginia that said Kerry would take away there bibles to churches in heavy evangelical areas. Anything to get the vote.

Or

Like Palin telling that church it was "God's will" that we were in Iraq and "God's will" that some pipeline gets built in Alaska. I guess you can only conclude that God is a big fan of oil according to Palin.

These politicians are jokes.

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 9:50am.

creechrr wrote:

"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

Is this the part that rings alarm bells for you?



Seems like the usual rally speech material. Fascism may be a bit of a stretch.

Hell yeah for a guy to say God is behind him and he is coming to save you is scary.

Don't you think?? But I guess its ok if a democrat saids it right?

John

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 23, 2008 - 10:31am.

arraya: Somewhat akin to German soldiers marching off to war in WWI with the phrase "Gott mit uns" (God is with us) on their belt buckles.

Submitted by NotCranky on October 23, 2008 - 10:32am.

Don't worry John, he is Muslim and the majority don't like his GOD.

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 10:36am.

Rustico wrote:
Don't worry John, he is Muslim and the majority don't like his GOD.

Actually "righteous wind" is a Muslim perspective. That is not what a Christian would say. So funny that people will always tell you what they really are. You just have to listen to them.

I don't care what Obama is but I care that he lies about it.

John

Submitted by afx114 on October 23, 2008 - 11:00am.

Yeah, Muslims are the worst!

/snark

Submitted by Allan from Fallbrook on October 23, 2008 - 11:23am.

JohnL He might also be a kamikaze pilot. They were referred to as the "Divine Wind". Worth considering.

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 11:43am.

Allan from Fallbrook wrote:
JohnL He might also be a kamikaze pilot. They were referred to as the "Divine Wind". Worth considering.

Obama doesn't strike me as the type with the guts to be a Kamikaze pilot. He might get his worshipers to get it a try but not him.

I get your point though. Thanks.

John

Submitted by creechrr on October 23, 2008 - 11:47am.

jficquette wrote:
creechrr wrote:

"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

Is this the part that rings alarm bells for you?



Seems like the usual rally speech material. Fascism may be a bit of a stretch.

Hell yeah for a guy to say God is behind him and he is coming to save you is scary.

Don't you think?? But I guess its ok if a democrat saids it right?

John


Dude, when isn't some sort of devine selection invoked in this sort of situation? This is a theme that has been repeated throughout history...good and bad. Didn't W declare God was on our side or some such thing when rallying the citizenry into taking on the invasion of Iraq?


I just think it's a little too early to be playing "Tin Foil Hat".


You do realize that he spent a several years of his childhood in Indonesia, which has a large Muslim population. I'm sure he's heard expressions such as, "righteous wind" on more than one occasion. He used an expression that he's familiar with to express himself. We all do that on a daily basis.


Why is everything a Democrat vs. Republican arguement? How about we just worry about what's good for the country. Both parties have been running the country into the ground. Why is it so hard to see that?


We've arrived at this point in history together; Democrat, Republican or other. Finger pointing and divisiveness isn't going to get us anywhere.


Obama talks about change. If he is elected, will he truely bring change? Only time will tell. He's only one cog in the machine but, he does seem to posses the ability to bring people of varying backgrounds together. That seems to be a very important attribute for some applying for this particular job.

Submitted by NotCranky on October 23, 2008 - 11:51am.

I took "righteous wind" to be a hippie perspective. I guess people do always tell you who they are... if you listen to them.

Since birds of a feather also flock together, I would think Obama has more ties to some form or another of Christianity. How could he be in Wrights flock and be seriously Muslim at the same time? This guy Obama is really sinister.He can opiate all the masses at once.

I personally hope all these politicians, the Bushes,Obamas, Wrights, Palins,Osama Bin Ladins, the big dogs of the evangelical movement ect., are lying about what they are because they put a bad face forward for faiths of all kinds.

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 12:01pm.

creechrr wrote:
jficquette wrote:
creechrr wrote:

"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

Is this the part that rings alarm bells for you?



Seems like the usual rally speech material. Fascism may be a bit of a stretch.

Hell yeah for a guy to say God is behind him and he is coming to save you is scary.

Don't you think?? But I guess its ok if a democrat saids it right?

John


Dude, when isn't some sort of devine selection invoked in this sort of situation? This is a theme that has been repeated throughout history...good and bad. Didn't W declare God was on our side or some such thing when rallying the citizenry into taking on the invasion of Iraq?


I just think it's a little too early to be playing "Tin Foil Hat".


You do realize that he spent a several years of his childhood in Indonesia, which has a large Muslim population. I'm sure he's heard expressions such as, "righteous wind" on more than one occasion. He used an expression that he's familiar with to express himself. We all do that on a daily basis.


Why is everything a Democrat vs. Republican arguement? How about we just worry about what's good for the country. Both parties have been running the country into the ground. Why is it so hard to see that?


We've arrived at this point in history together; Democrat, Republican or other. Finger pointing and divisiveness isn't going to get us anywhere.


Obama talks about change. If he is elected, will he truely bring change? Only time will tell. He's only one cog in the machine but, he does seem to posses the ability to bring people of varying backgrounds together. That seems to be a very important attribute for some applying for this particular job.

No one outside the left and MSM think Obama is even qualified to be Prez much less a person to bring people together.

Its not the governments role to bring people together anyway. People bring people together.

As far as Indonesia goes he was educated as Muslim while he lived there As far as I know his only Christian experience was listening to the racist Rev Wright for 20 years. The righteous wind comment comes from his Islam experience which was my point.

I don't care if he worships a soccer ball. I do care that he lies.

John

Submitted by Arraya on October 23, 2008 - 12:19pm.

allen-No doubt the current political establishment took some notes from Goebbels.

"Reichssicherheitshauptamt
Department of Homeland Security
The Reichssicherheitshauptamt (RSHA) was the main division of the Nazi SS, and the parent organization of the Gestapo. The German word "Reich" is untranslatable, but you couldn't come closer in contemporary English than the emotionally-laden Bush-era term "homeland." "Sicherheit" is always translated as "security," and "Hauptamt" literally means "main office," which could be reasonably translated as "department."

"As the enemy drew nearer Moscow, instead of the Muscovites' view of their situation growing more serious, it became more frivolous, as is always the case with people who see a great danger approaching. At the threat of danger there are always two voices that speak with equal power in the human soul: one quite reasonably tells a man to consider the nature of the danger and the means of averting it; the other still more reasonably, says that it is too depressing and painful to think of the danger, since it is not in man's power to foresee everything and escape from the general march of events, and it is therefore better to disregard what is painful till it comes, and think about what is pleasant"
--Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace

"Reality is a thin line between denial and paranoia."

Submitted by creechrr on October 23, 2008 - 12:24pm.

jficquette wrote:
creechrr wrote:
jficquette wrote:
creechrr wrote:

"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

Is this the part that rings alarm bells for you?



Seems like the usual rally speech material. Fascism may be a bit of a stretch.

Hell yeah for a guy to say God is behind him and he is coming to save you is scary.

Don't you think?? But I guess its ok if a democrat saids it right?

John


Dude, when isn't some sort of devine selection invoked in this sort of situation? This is a theme that has been repeated throughout history...good and bad. Didn't W declare God was on our side or some such thing when rallying the citizenry into taking on the invasion of Iraq?


I just think it's a little too early to be playing "Tin Foil Hat".


You do realize that he spent a several years of his childhood in Indonesia, which has a large Muslim population. I'm sure he's heard expressions such as, "righteous wind" on more than one occasion. He used an expression that he's familiar with to express himself. We all do that on a daily basis.


Why is everything a Democrat vs. Republican arguement? How about we just worry about what's good for the country. Both parties have been running the country into the ground. Why is it so hard to see that?


We've arrived at this point in history together; Democrat, Republican or other. Finger pointing and divisiveness isn't going to get us anywhere.


Obama talks about change. If he is elected, will he truely bring change? Only time will tell. He's only one cog in the machine but, he does seem to posses the ability to bring people of varying backgrounds together. That seems to be a very important attribute for some applying for this particular job.

No one outside the left and MSM think Obama is even qualified to be Prez much less a person to bring people together.

Its not the governments role to bring people together anyway. People bring people together.

John

I'm curious what you believe that role of President, leader is?

I've always thought of a leader to be someone that can take a step back from the situation at hand and make a decision based on facts and to affect human behavior so as to accomplish a mission.

I'll leave the religion out of it because, I don't particularly care.

Submitted by tc on October 23, 2008 - 12:24pm.

Wouldn't it be cool if we had a president who didn't believe in any religion? It really seems silly to me all this stuff about "in god we trust". It’s a great way to get away with doing whatever you want. When I was in high school we were having a discussion about a guy who killed someone because god told him to. Everyone in the class thought he must be crazy, but one girl who was fairly religious. She said what if god did tell him to kill. Who were we to say he was wrong for killing another human being. It was one of those eye opening moments. Oh by the way “GOD “ told me to let everyone know to stop using him as an excuse to get away with stupid shit.
But to try to fault Obama for use of religion in politics is a stretch. All of the politicians have been using it for as long as I can remember. Unfortunately it still wins elections. I look forward to the day that I don’t have to say “one nation under god”, when the president doesn’t end every speech with “god bless”, when our money no longer has “in god we trust on it, and when the influence of religion no longer taints politics. I do not think I will live to see that day. Maybe someday my great great grandchildren will. God I hope so.

Submitted by Portlock on October 23, 2008 - 12:44pm.

I ate a can of beans last night and let me tell you my wind was indeed righteous...

Seriously though, what's wrong with being Muslim? Besides, fcukquitte, I thought you were sticking with the "Obama isn't a US citizen" argument?.

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 12:41pm.

tc wrote:
Wouldn't it be cool if we had a president who didn't believe in any religion? It really seems silly to me all this stuff about "in god we trust". It’s a great way to get away with doing whatever you want. When I was in high school we were having a discussion about a guy who killed someone because god told him to. Everyone in the class thought he must be crazy, but one girl who was fairly religious. She said what if god did tell him to kill. Who were we to say he was wrong for killing another human being. It was one of those eye opening moments. Oh by the way “GOD “ told me to let everyone know to stop using him as an excuse to get away with stupid shit.
But to try to fault Obama for use of religion in politics is a stretch. All of the politicians have been using it for as long as I can remember. Unfortunately it still wins elections. I look forward to the day that I don’t have to say “one nation under god”, when the president doesn’t end every speech with “god bless”, when our money no longer has “in god we trust on it, and when the influence of religion no longer taints politics. I do not think I will live to see that day. Maybe someday my great great grandchildren will. God I hope so.

You could ask old Russians who remember Stalin or old Germans who remember Hitler or sons or daughters of those that remember them.

Maybe they could tell you what is like to be lead by someone who feels that the church is the enemy of the state.

John

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 12:50pm.

creechrr wrote:
jficquette wrote:
creechrr wrote:
jficquette wrote:
creechrr wrote:

"I feel like we got a righteous wind at our backs here."

Is this the part that rings alarm bells for you?



Seems like the usual rally speech material. Fascism may be a bit of a stretch.

Hell yeah for a guy to say God is behind him and he is coming to save you is scary.

Don't you think?? But I guess its ok if a democrat saids it right?

John


Dude, when isn't some sort of devine selection invoked in this sort of situation? This is a theme that has been repeated throughout history...good and bad. Didn't W declare God was on our side or some such thing when rallying the citizenry into taking on the invasion of Iraq?


I just think it's a little too early to be playing "Tin Foil Hat".


You do realize that he spent a several years of his childhood in Indonesia, which has a large Muslim population. I'm sure he's heard expressions such as, "righteous wind" on more than one occasion. He used an expression that he's familiar with to express himself. We all do that on a daily basis.


Why is everything a Democrat vs. Republican arguement? How about we just worry about what's good for the country. Both parties have been running the country into the ground. Why is it so hard to see that?


We've arrived at this point in history together; Democrat, Republican or other. Finger pointing and divisiveness isn't going to get us anywhere.


Obama talks about change. If he is elected, will he truely bring change? Only time will tell. He's only one cog in the machine but, he does seem to posses the ability to bring people of varying backgrounds together. That seems to be a very important attribute for some applying for this particular job.

No one outside the left and MSM think Obama is even qualified to be Prez much less a person to bring people together.

Its not the governments role to bring people together anyway. People bring people together.

John

I'm curious what you believe that role of President, leader is?

I've always thought of a leader to be someone that can take a step back from the situation at hand and make a decision based on facts and to affect human behavior so as to accomplish a mission.

I'll leave the religion out of it because, I don't particularly care.

The Constitution defines the role of President and being our Daddy ain't one of the duties assigned.

John

Submitted by Arraya on October 23, 2008 - 12:59pm.

Maybe they could tell you what is like to be lead by someone who feels that the church is the enemy of the state.

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." -Adolf Hitler

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 1:13pm.

Arraya,

Thanks for he information. Its always fascinating to study historical figures since history repeats itself.

I found these other quotes attributed to him. It just shows what a con artist he was.

John

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941.

Submitted by creechrr on October 23, 2008 - 1:42pm.

jficquette wrote:

You could ask old Russians who remember Stalin or old Germans who remember Hitler or sons or daughters of those that remember them.

Maybe they could tell you what is like to be lead by someone who feels that the church is the enemy of the state.

John

Sounds like you are more concerned about his religious interests more than would like to admit.

Must revisit Rev. Wright...

The man is a Christian. Whatever that means. Like any other group Christians come in many varying flavors. Just as much evil is done in the name of Christ as is done in the name of Mohammed. Pretty much a wash there.

Submitted by afx114 on October 23, 2008 - 1:46pm.

How is "righteous wind" Mulsim? I'm not disputing your claim, I just wasn't aware that was a Muslim phrase, and my Google-Fu is failing me. If someone could point out how the phrase is Muslim, that would be great, thx.

Submitted by creechrr on October 23, 2008 - 1:58pm.

afx114 wrote:
my Google-Fu

I like that. Mind if I use it...lol

Submitted by afx114 on October 23, 2008 - 2:32pm.

creechrr wrote:
afx114 wrote:
my Google-Fu

I like that. Mind if I use it...lol

Sure! I stole it, uncredited, from someone else. Open Source quotes is where it's at!

The irony is that searching for "righteous wind" or "righteous wind muslim" on Google returns nothing but links to various media and right-wing flag-and-cross crazies busting a nut over the phrase. I couldn't find anything having to actually do with the phrase in relation to the Muslim religion.

Maybe I just suck at Google.

I also find it ironic that after 8 years of bible-thumping and teri-schiavo and gays-are-bad-for-the-bible-tells-me-so and flag-pin-wearing and 99-cent-made-in-china-support-our-troops-magnets that John is using the "wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" quote. It's typical Rove 101: take your own weakness and project it onto your opponent.

I mean, if that's the threshold for Fascism, we've been Fascist for decades.

Submitted by jficquette on October 23, 2008 - 3:26pm.

creechrr wrote:
jficquette wrote:

You could ask old Russians who remember Stalin or old Germans who remember Hitler or sons or daughters of those that remember them.

Maybe they could tell you what is like to be lead by someone who feels that the church is the enemy of the state.

John

Sounds like you are more concerned about his religious interests more than would like to admit.

Must revisit Rev. Wright...

The man is a Christian. Whatever that means. Like any other group Christians come in many varying flavors. Just as much evil is done in the name of Christ as is done in the name of Mohammed. Pretty much a wash there.

So you are not concerned that he claims a divine influence is in operation in his campaign?

Consider this quote from his wife:

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed".

What about all the people who call him the Messiah, "The One"? Do you want to vote with people goofy enough to say that kind of crap??

John

Submitted by creechrr on October 23, 2008 - 3:39pm.

I'm not seeing the problem with working, doing away with what divides us, pushing ourselves to be better....

The nuts that refer to him as the Messiah are, well nuts! I don't see how you can hold that against him.

jficquette,

I read your posts and I always wonder if this guy is serious or just trolling. Just hard to tell.

Submitted by afx114 on October 23, 2008 - 3:50pm.

jficquette wrote:
Do you want to vote with people goofy enough to say that kind of crap??

Do you want to vote with people goofy enough to say that Obama is a Muslim and a terrorist and not a US citizen? Oh, yeah, I forgot, you are those goofy people. If the shoe fits...

Submitted by Mark Holmes on October 23, 2008 - 4:54pm.

John, how is this quote by Michelle Obama something that would reflect negatively on Obama:

"Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed".

It's very similar to this passage:

"If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize as we have never realized before our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress is made, no leadership becomes effective. We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at a larger good. This I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in time of armed strife."

That's from Franklin D. Roosevelt's 1st Inaugural Address, his famous "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself" speech.

I would argue that speech is much more laden with overt and symbolic religious references.

Submitted by jetonejet on October 23, 2008 - 4:54pm.

jficquette, Obama is going to be your next president. He is going to change america into a extreme socialist society, hes going to give all your wealth to the poor, hes going to support terrorism, he loves gay marriage and going to fund abortions with tax dollars. I love watching the right wing nut jobs go crazy over Obama. It makes my day! Thank you.

Submitted by tc on October 23, 2008 - 5:21pm.

Thats silly. I myself do not believe in religion. That however does not make me an evil person. This concept that those who do not share the same beliefs as yourself makes them evil is close minded. I believe in the goodness of most people. And have never said that we should not have freedom of religion. But when the goverment chooses to promote one more then the other that freedom is limited. However we have used religion in politics to give us a sense of righteousness. I believe there are many people out there who do not believe in god and would make perfectly good leaders in this country. What is your religion?

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