Noticed more speed traps lately?

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Submitted by mike92104 on January 22, 2009 - 10:50pm

I've been living in Mira Mesa for about 9 months now, and had never seen a speed trap until this week. I have driven by one every day, and have already gotten a BS ticket for "failing to yield to an emergency vehicle" because I didn't slam on my brakes in traffic so he could write some other guy a ticket. Is this the city's latest gimmick to bring in some revenue? Just give everybody a ticket?

Submitted by jpinpb on January 22, 2009 - 11:13pm.

I know some people in law enforcement. If you're in the way and not yielding, this is a no-brainer. Get the hell out of the way. You're actually delaying them from doing their job, in effect.

Most of the time, unless they are actual traffic enforcement, cops pull you over for other reasons, like making sure you're not DUI or suspicion of other crime, stolen vehicle, etc.

But if it really was traffic cop, that's their job exclusively, to ticket violators. Sucks.

Submitted by Username on January 22, 2009 - 11:16pm.

If you drive down Palomar Airport Road there's been weeks where every day there are 2-5 "pigs on hogs" (Motorcycle cops) on the island west of Camino Vida Roble right by the AM-PM with radar guns out or pulling people over. I haven't been caught because I was lucky and noticed the trend. I think with the budget in California in such bad shape the Swine are trying to make sure they look useful and income generating. I say start paying all law enforcement minimum wage and I mean federal minimum wage not CA minimum wage. F' the police! Serve and protect more like harass and persecute.

Submitted by jpinpb on January 22, 2009 - 11:43pm.

Motorcycle cops' sole job is to write tickets. Get pulled over by them and it's a guaranteed ticket. Sucks for sure. But they're just doing their job, just like you go to work and do your job. Unfair to make the characterization that they're all there to harass and persecute. You know when there's trouble and you need help, then who do you call? 911. Some cops are out there to protect and serve.

Gosh, I never thought I'd defend them. I've had my share of tickets and it's a major bummer. But then I think of all the times I rolled through a stop sign or sped through the streets and highways. If a cop were following me every day, I'd probably have my license revoked by now.

I figure when I do get a ticket, I deserve it.

Submitted by DWCAP on January 23, 2009 - 12:01am.

Mira Mesa is full of traps.
1) gold coast just past black mountain right next to hour glass field. This is where they train the new cops, and they park in the apartment buildings and just nail people left and right for doing 30 in a 25.

2) Flanders and Kamwood (Camino Santa Fe area). They again park in the apartment complex and just nail people left and right. I drive by this one every day and just chuckel that the keep gettin people.

3)Sorrento Valley Blvd at pacific haven ct.
Again they almost always seem to have someone pulled over here. But this one I kinda understand. 2 lanes or not, people go through there at like 60 all the time and that is kinda BS. It is all houses, and 45 is plenty.

If you know more in MM let me know. It is amazing how many cops are in MM at all times.

Submitted by ralphfurley on January 23, 2009 - 12:35am.

I'm sure they are ticketing more and collecting more revenue for the city. Times are tough and people are always breaking traffic laws in one way or another. Easy money to collect from people.

I've noticed more cops around my neck of the woods. And if it's a motorcycle cop, forget it. You're getting a ticket if you get pulled over.

If the "emergency vehicle" didn't have it's emergency lights on, then I don't see the merit in the ticket you got. They are supposed to follow the rules and wait their turn like everyone else. Of course, if they had their lights on and you didn't give "right away", then you're screwed.

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I'll add that instead of putting in speed bumps every ten feet on every damn block, the cops should just enforce the damn law.

Submitted by jficquette on January 23, 2009 - 12:39am.

Username wrote:
If you drive down Palomar Airport Road there's been weeks where every day there are 2-5 "pigs on hogs" (Motorcycle cops) on the island west of Camino Vida Roble right by the AM-PM with radar guns out or pulling people over. I haven't been caught because I was lucky and noticed the trend. I think with the budget in California in such bad shape the Swine are trying to make sure they look useful and income generating. I say start paying all law enforcement minimum wage and I mean federal minimum wage not CA minimum wage. F' the police! Serve and protect more like harass and persecute.

Coast Highway where it turns into Carlsbad Blvd from north of Palomar Airport Road to Carlsbad Village Drive is a big speed trap.

It extortion, extortion I say!

John

Submitted by PadreBrian on January 23, 2009 - 9:17am.

lol, can't to the time, don't do the crime.

There might be a small uptick in tickets due to the city budget, but it's more to save their jobs then to fund pothole filling.

The place where cities make the most money from tickets is the red light cameras. They make half of every 400 dollar ticket (the camera operators make the other half). Expect more of those in the next few years. Easy money.

Submitted by Coronita on January 23, 2009 - 9:28am.

For those of you who were bored and actually read the california vehicle codes from start to finish, "speed traps" (if you are using the term correctly as defined by california vehicle code) are illegal.

These sections of the CVC relate directly to the use of "speedtraps" within California:

40801 Speed Trap Prohibition
40802 Definition of a Speed Trap
40803 Speed Trap Evidence
40804 Testimony Based on Speed Trap
40805 Admission of Speed Trap Evidence
40808 Speed Trap Evidence

Look it up yourself

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawq...

Of course, everyone uses the term "speed trap" differently, and only the definition in the CVC is really what a "speed trap" is.

Submitted by rogdog on May 28, 2009 - 6:23am.

I wonder if all the "revinue" is worth it. I've been pulled over or contacted by LE three times in a month. More than the last decade combined.

One ticket for no seatbelt. Which I WAS wearing.

One warning for not having my off-road lights covered. Guilty but no ticket.

One ID check while getting into my car on a public street. This one really has me smokin. Carrying a tool bag, wearing a company shirt, walking out of a client's business. SDPD wants to see my ID and ask me where I've come from, where I'm going and what I'm doing. What business is it of his?

The net effect of all this Gestapo behavior is that regular guys like me start hating cops and disrespecting the law. Now, lest you believe that I am a criminal with a hard on for cops let me tell you: I'm 45, white, employed, very positive net worth, married, honorably discharged veteran, father of an Eagle Scout, never been arrested for anything, Republican. Shouldn't that guy be pro LE? I am not. I really do hate cops. Why?

In addition to the three recent incidents above I've had a gun stuck in my face five times in my life. Four of the thugs holding them were cops. Even after FELONY stopping me and threatening my life, not one of those cops arrested or even ticketed me.

Whatever revinue they generate is probably consumed by their salary plus much more. The bad will they generate by their heavy handed treatmet of nearly everyone offsets any positive effect they claim to have. Sure, detectives solve crime. Street cops? No way. Think about any time you've tried to get help with a crime commited on you. What did the cop really do? Show up way after the fact, write a report and leave you feeling under served I'd bet.

Fire most of them, learn to get along without them and live a more free life. This is supposed to be the United States of America, not NAZI Germany or Stalinist Russia.

Just one guy's opinion

Submitted by jpinpb on May 28, 2009 - 7:12am.

How about the unknown, unadvertised things they do. Like the time you were driving home from the movies and didn't get killed by a DUI driver b/c the patrol cop pulled the guy over already for swerving out of control and so drunk the person could barely walk forward w/out pretending to be an airplane and when asked to turn around and walk back, the person doesn't turn around and instead does a moon walk back. True story. This and many more. You should do a ride-along. It's a riot. The most entertainment you'll ever have, especially D/T or PB.

Submitted by condogrrl on May 28, 2009 - 7:15am.

If ever you get a radar speeding ticket, go to the city you were cited in and ask for an "engineering and traffic survey" report (commonly known as a "speed survey" and is public information). Posted speed limits are based on these speed surveys and often posted speed limits are illegally set low(usually for political reasons). Refer to CVC 40802.

If the posted speed limit is not justified by a current speed survey, then the posted speed limit is not "radar enforceable" and the ticket is no good. The judge will dismiss the ticket. Cops know this and will still write illegal tickets.

I know this because I used to conduct speed surveys for the city of SD. Ask any attorney who specializes in traffic violations - they know this. But the best plan is DON'T SPEED.

Submitted by scaredyclassic on May 28, 2009 - 9:42am.

the majority of people die in acidents caused by stone cold sober people. if a cop stops you for no reaosn and asks for id, hand him the card of your civil atty.

Submitted by Veritas on May 28, 2009 - 9:49am.

That will really get you the attention you deserve.

Submitted by ibjames on May 28, 2009 - 9:50am.

condogrrl wrote:
DON'T SPEED.

DING DING We have a winner!!

Sometimes I think the full stop tickets are stupid, but when I lived in PB I used to get pretty pissed off on how much people would just blow through stop signs by tapping their brakes..

Submitted by Sandi Egan on May 28, 2009 - 10:18am.

rogdog wrote:

SDPD wants to see my ID and ask me where I've come from, where I'm going and what I'm doing. What business is it of his?
The net effect of all this Gestapo behavior is that regular guys like me start hating cops
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This is supposed to be the United States of America, not NAZI Germany or Stalinist Russia.


Man, if you ever travel abroad (possibly except Western Europe) you are in for a big surprize.

Submitted by Casca on May 28, 2009 - 10:34am.

I'm with you Rdog. "Safety" personel are just the Sheriff of Knottingham's men out fleecing the peasants for taxes they can drag back to the castle.

Submitted by jficquette on May 28, 2009 - 11:59am.

Be careful on Coast Highway between Palomar and Carlsbad Village drive.

Submitted by kicksavedave on May 28, 2009 - 2:43pm.
Submitted by moneymaker on May 28, 2009 - 3:40pm.

Two things that tick me off about our "law enforcement" is them speeding without their lights on(I see this on a weekly basis) and when they do pull someone over they fucking block the whole street-presenting themselves as a hazard. I know they are taught to use the car as a safety barrier,but for god's sake I've seen them do this to ticket a car that had been abandoned,where's the emergency and whose safety are they looking out for? While I'm on my soapbox I think no public employee should make more than 20% more than the people they supervise. Fire Captains making $175K and UC regents getting $400K is why CA is almost bankrupt.

Submitted by mike92104 on May 28, 2009 - 4:58pm.

condogrrl wrote:
If ever you get a radar speeding ticket, go to the city you were cited in and ask for an "engineering and traffic survey" report (commonly known as a "speed survey" and is public information). Posted speed limits are based on these speed surveys and often posted speed limits are illegally set low(usually for political reasons). Refer to CVC 40802.

If the posted speed limit is not justified by a current speed survey, then the posted speed limit is not "radar enforceable" and the ticket is no good. The judge will dismiss the ticket. Cops know this and will still write illegal tickets.

I know this because I used to conduct speed surveys for the city of SD. Ask any attorney who specializes in traffic violations - they know this. But the best plan is DON'T SPEED.

This type of thing only works when the judge doesn't lead the cop to the "right" answer when asking questions. On my original post I said I had been given a ticket for failure to yield to an emergency vehicle. I decided to take it to court because the cop didn't use a siren, and that is a requirement to have written me the ticket. The judge asked her about it and she paused looking very confused. After a moment the judge said "because it says here (she was reading the statute out of a law book) that you have to have used your siren" The cop took another long pause and then said, "okay?" in a way obvious to me that she wasn't aware of the law, and finally after another long pause said "Oh, well, I'm pretty sure we used the siren".

I testified that I had been driving with my windows down (which I almost always do) and had heard the officer yell at me twice, but had never heard the siren. Unfortunately, since the cop had LIEd after the judge lead her to the answer, I was found guilty.

The whole system is bullshit.

I know a bunch of people will jump in to defend the police officers, and I agree with the importance of law enforcement, but when there is an obvious increase in certain types of more lucrative enforcement to generate revenue, then I feel like the whole system needs to be destroyed.

Submitted by NeetaT on May 28, 2009 - 6:56pm.

I bought a new radar detector that detects all devices used by police. It works well and is fun to use.

Submitted by paramount on May 28, 2009 - 8:04pm.

I am no conspiracy theorist, but this Gov't has been busy building a Police State for the last 20 years or more.

All of those police have to justified somehow.

Submitted by 5yearwaiter on May 28, 2009 - 8:48pm.

NeetaT wrote:
I bought a new radar detector that detects all devices used by police. It works well and is fun to use.

What is that device name exactly? Can we allow to use these by law?

Submitted by mike92104 on May 28, 2009 - 8:59pm.

From what I understand, radar detectors are not legal in california.

Submitted by Coronita on May 28, 2009 - 9:25pm.

mike92104 wrote:
From what I understand, radar detectors are not legal in california.

Not correct. Radar/Laser detectors are legal in CA.
http://www.escortradar.com/faq.php#legal

Radar jammers and laser shifters however are not. If you don't know the what these things are, never mind, and you don't want to get caught using one (which would be detectable).

Brands of quality include Valentine 1 and Escort (http://www.escortradar.com/ http://www.valentine1.com/)..

Frankly, these detectors have limited use imho. Also getting pulled over with a laser/radar detector (though legal) makes for interesting conversations with the police officer if you know what I mean. You're better off not using one (or installing it in a inconspicuous place).

Dont like getting tickets, don't drive above the speed limit or flow of traffic, don't drive shotgun. Pace the car in front of you in the left lane and have a car behind you and let them eat the ticket. Speeding tickets going +10mph can cost you around $300+ these days.

Submitted by NeetaT on May 28, 2009 - 9:39pm.

The radar detector is made by "Rocky Mountain" and I am a proud user of it. The company claims that it can scramble the police radar, but I can't prove that. All I know is that it does detect the police radar so far in advance that I don't see how they can get me. I bought the device because I drive a "Carrera S" and feel that I have the right to drive fast given certain safe situations like driving on open highways in the desert. What is the point in spending all that money on a car if you can't enjoy it? Believe me, I normally drive the speed limit or just slightly above as do most people. It's all about money not safety when it comes to issuing tickets.

Submitted by temeculaguy on May 28, 2009 - 10:27pm.

The point of driving a porsche is not to drive fast, but to get certain types of women to sleep with you on occassion. Have I taught you nothing, why do I slave over a hot keyboard?

Feeling you have the right to do something isn't always enough justification when you share that road with others. If you can prove that nobody driving fast in a sports car on an open highway or in the desert has ever killed another person, then I will support your right to selectively follow laws.

Submitted by Hatfield on May 29, 2009 - 4:41am.

The Valentine 1 is nice because not only does it detect all types of police radar and laser, and can keep track of multiple signals at once, and the directional arrows tell you which direction the radar is coming from.

This is handy, for example, when you're going up 395 and some asshat blows past you doing 100 in an Escalade. At this speed it's pretty hard to get zapped from behind if you're reasonably diligent about watching the rear view mirror. And it's very easy to get zapped from the front - pop over a hill, and if there's a cop there, you're toast.

So I use what Car and Driver calls "the patsy method" where you are detecting the radar that's being aimed at other cars, not you. In this case, once the asshat blows past you (and one always does), you let him be your patsy and follow at a distance of about 1/2 mile to a mile, matching his speed and checking the rear view mirror frequently. When the detector goes off, see what direction it's coming from. Almost always the radar is front of you - in front of your patsy as well - and almost always the patsy will not have a radar detector himself.

I'll drop down out of warp speed and watch the patsy get nailed. I would say in the past 3 or 4 years of going up to Mammoth, I've seen at least 10 people get nailed, and the cop never even sees me. I'm doing 65 by the time I come into his view. It makes for an efficient and entertaining drive.

The other nice thing about the V1 is that it has a remote control option which allows you to hide both the display and the detector itself.

Submitted by rogdog on May 29, 2009 - 6:53am.

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Man, if you ever travel abroad (possibly except Western Europe) you are in for a big surprize.
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Six years USN. How much foreign travel do you think I've had? Except for Mexico where I will never go again and ten rounds of 7.62X39 through the back window of a bus I was on in Peru, no foreign LE trouble. In fact that guy was Army and the bus did blow his checkpoint.

I stick by my original position. We have far more street cops than we need for daily use. Now, as in the case of the Rodney King riots, we do need a reserve force that we can mobilize. I think they call that the National Guard.

Submitted by Turtle69 on May 29, 2009 - 7:54am.

I spend most of my travel time on the freeways and yes, there is increased police activity along the I-5. In the 10 years I have been driving between San Diego and Los Angeles I have never noticed this much ticketing going on.

It did pick up after the special election. While I realize correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation it is strange.

It seems to be part of the plan to "punish" us ignorant taxpayers who are tired of funding the unrealistic plans of our broken legislature and failed governor.

The Turtle

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